PlaneShift
Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Talad on January 06, 2002, 10:26:40 pm
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webworm
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 00:25 GMT
I\'ve allways wished I could do this in Everquest. It seems like a great idea.
A way to make money for those of us who are good writers could be to buy some paper in game and write a book. Books could
not be sold to merchants but players could buy them, and print them if they wished. Paper should be inexpensive and be able to
fit the ammount of text as a regular paper back novel.
Now the first problem I realized with this would be players writing a bunch of garbled text, then giving the book a cool title and
selling it. So a solution would be to allow the buyer to preview 2 pages of their choosing so they know what they are getting.
It would be fun to buy a book from someone and when you are waiting for someone just read it.
Hope this makes sence.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 11-10-2001 01:37 GMT
It would certainly be cool... you could tell about your adventures (a little exaggerated ofcourse), and
adventurers might visit the places you\'ve been. like some sort of a travelguide.
Thekkur
Buechler
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 03:25 GMT
This idea rocks!!! Players could run there own libary too if they owned a house!!!
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 05:16 GMT
Wow, I am certainly impressed. I like this idea very much as well. Keep up the great work all, you are turning out some great
input.
Firestorm
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 06:14 GMT
Definatly cool. Librarys of books, shortstories, and guides, written by players for generations :)
Very Kewl
-Firestorm- Planeshift Public Relations Manager -
Hory
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 17:49 GMT
it would be cool if the players could post messages (announcments) in the public plaza or hire a npc to contact X and give him a
message, or leave word at the bar etc
webworm
Guest
posted 15-10-2001 04:48 GMT
Hey glad you like my idea.
I sure hope to see this in the game.
whitti
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 19-10-2001 05:56 GMT
neat my writing skills finally put to use in gaming. *the crowd starts chanting* \"GO WEBWORM...GO WEBWORM\"
Webworm the people love you! :P
Dwinney
Guest
posted 02-11-2001 03:41 GMT
This is definitely the coolest idea ever, but I haven\'t seen it implemented in any other game before...... Neat, I\'m already thinking
up of some fantasy story to write about..........hope the PlaneShift staff uses this idea. ;)
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 02-11-2001 00:39 GMT
If you have finished the story, you can also submit it to the PS crew.(info@planeshift.it) If it\'s good enough, it might even become
part of planeshift\'s background!
Thekkur
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 03-11-2001 06:48 GMT
and you can also submit your DARN RESUME AND APPLICATION! yea, you, you know who you are. I won\'t name names, but
his initials are THEKKUR. :-)
webworm
Guest
posted 08-11-2001 00:22 GMT
Hey, thanks for taking the time to read and admire my idea. I have sent in a application for the setting and backround team, and
im going to do my best to get this implimented if I am accepted.
Thanks again!
~Webworm
lsupi
PS Official Member
posted 09-11-2001 00:21 GMT
Nice idea. A bit hard in execution (one of the reason noone implement it already). I\'ll see if this is possible at all and see how this
will effect the game security.
Oldman Kay
Guest
posted 09-11-2001 16:57 GMT
FireStorm wrote:
\"Definatly cool. Librarys of books, shortstories, and guides, written by players for generations :)\"
Yeah. That would be awesome.
But some come to think, how could they put say a hundred page novel into the game? And who would want to read it?
Well how about each book has a limited amount of pages.
Say around 70. Then you could have a to be continued one so people would REALLY wanna get the next one which would give
you more money. Basically it means in the long run you will have more admiriers(sorry bout sp) and more cash.
ITS GENIOUS!
whitti
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 09-11-2001 17:07 GMT
yes and weekly Newspapers etc. But I think there should be any limit to how many pages. If the author is smart however...:)
corsairk1
Guest
posted 11-11-2001 18:23 GMT
Nice idea, but I think there should be a librarian or book store owner there to review the book and he can decide whether to sell it
/ put it in library for the writer. Although, the writer could go around with crap copies of books, but I doubt people would buy books
off the street.
webworm
Guest
posted 12-12-2001 04:45 GMT
Reviving my stunningly beautiful idea with its grace and power. It shall live on sending hope through our hearts.
lol
~Webworm
Planeshift W.T.B. Member
Setting & Backround
King Larry
Guest
posted 12-12-2001 15:53 GMT
I think that if you are a smith you might do a weapon/armour guide...
Shadow
Guest
posted 30-12-2001 00:16 GMT
Making pamflets, starting cults and having fun.
We need books. (ingame)
Bigfoot
Guest
posted 01-01-2001 02:18 GMT
For those of you that have played Ultima Online... You could do that in that game. You could even use the scribe skill to make
instant copies ^_^... although teh pages where limited to about 12 and anyone could rewrite what you wrote. We used to have a
couple of books locked down in our guild castle that was used as ingame message boards for members ^^. I also wrote a small
story in a book once and then droped it in teh back streets of britain in UO... hopefully some one picked it up and gave it a read
^_^.
Corsairk8
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 01-01-2001 03:30 GMT
I would find that very interesting, but it would be better to have a recommendation or voting system where popular books would be
put in a dedicated area of the public library. This is to avoid people writing books which are useless and making profit from it. It
does seem like a very promising idea and I am sure that the team will try to include it in the game if possible.
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I like this idea. People who wrote things in-game would have visible ratings to everyone... people who wrote trash or HGJDHWGKJHWDKJDKGJWDGKJ for 5 or 6 pages would be known in the game world as scammers. Popular writers could charge more money... but i think in the spirit of, say, the elder scrolls, such books should be limited to 6 or 7 pages. 10 max. Not everyone wants to read a story within a story, and a lot of people have the patience of a gnat, so 70 page things wouldn\'t do very well.
have an NPC publisher though, and the player doesn\'t get any money unless people (a) go to the universal library / bookstore and buy/check it out or (b) sells the published \'book\' to his friends or such.
the problem I see with this is people writing one page, and selling it to his Uber-Friends for easy money, easy ratings for undercover scamming, and a false rep.
Good idea, over all, but i\'m not sure there is any good way to implement it... is there?
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once again, sorry for bringing up dead topics, but like I said before, I am reading up, and throwing in my 2 cents.
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Originally posted by Talad
For those of you that have played Ultima Online... You could do that in that game. You could even use the scribe skill to make
instant copies ^_^... although teh pages where limited to about 12 and anyone could rewrite what you wrote. We used to have a
couple of books locked down in our guild castle that was used as ingame message boards for members ^^. I also wrote a small
story in a book once and then droped it in teh back streets of britain in UO... hopefully some one picked it up and gave it a read
Actually, I used to know a guy who sold story books in UO. The books didn\'t hold to much, so the story usually spanded many volumes. He didn\'t make a lot of money, but he had many loyal customers and had a blast doing it. The problem he ran into was people copying and redistributing his books with name changes, etc (maybe special player \"signing\" is needed to show its an original?). I think in-game books is a great idea. Any interface to writing the book should be clean (XML?), so its portable and easy to format. The straight small text of UO was hard to read and frustrating to write with. Also, despite the server side space requirements, I think each book should hold a decent amount. Perhaps, for blank books as pages increase then prices increases exponentially?
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I once read a story about a mouse who lived in a hole in Lord Britishes Beed Chamber. It was interesting. Was it yours? I never really read much in Morrowind, but player written short stories, histories and stuff would be cool. Especially since my character is going to be a Librarian/Adventurer. When I get my PO\'ed house, I intend to start collecting books.
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Anything like this would be a good idea for PS. It would allow players to advance the game themselves, because i doubt that it would be too far fetched and idea to start a quest off of a well writen book ... ;-)
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- A fanfic story in PS shouldn\'t have to span many volumes. The books should be as long as they need to be.
- We will almost certainly make an in-game gui to write the book. Ordinary mortals barely understand the backspace key, let alone xml file formatting principles.
- Using an in-game GUI will make it difficult to copy the books also--someone will need to take screenshots of each page I guess, and then retype the entire fricken thing in again. Of course, there is always banning people who have provably plagiarized someone else\'s work as well...
I\'m looking forward to us implementing this system and I hope people like it. :-)
- Vengeance
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This is absolutely the best idea! Yet another reason that PlaneShift is going to be such a superior game. I\'ll have to dust off my storytelling skills a bit and get going ;)
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Originally posted by Vengeance
- We will almost certainly make an in-game gui to write the book. Ordinary mortals barely understand the backspace key, let alone xml file formatting principles.
Keep it simple, but yes, GUIs for anything make it look far more professional.
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THis is one of the best ideas so far. And it fits really well with the library and all. Rating the books would be great. And people could sell books to the library\'s and make some money on them that way, or they could sell them to people the meet. There could be a top 10 book list in every library so that people would know what books are better. Experienced players could write books about hunting or whatever they do. Newbies could get tips and tricks from this books. Books of fiction would be awsome as well. And maps, maps of far away dungeons for sale somewhere. This is so great.
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NO MAPS!!!!
If you could just buy a map, there would be no exitement. The players could just walk around and read what way were dangerous and which was safe. :(
Have you thought about the people who could just copy a story from the world wide web and then write it in a book? Think about this-If you read 2-3 pages and when you bought the expensive book, the rest of the pages were covered with LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, then what should you do? ?(
People who do stuff like that should be punished! X(
How can you know who to trust? The GMs can\'t read all the books in the world of PS.
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My thought was to add ratings for books, assigned by users, and also show total ratings for authors, so people can sort of know what they are buying.
This would still be susceptible to guilds spamming the ratings, etc. but would be quickly detected and counteracted by other readers.
- Venge
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OK, I can see why maps aren\'t a good Idea. But there must be books. A nice gui for making books in game would be nice. To prevent people from copying things from the internet you could disable copy/paste in this gui.
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I wouldnt want copy+paste disabled for one reason. When I am logged in to the game, I want to spend my time playing, not standing around typing up a story.
I would most likely type my stories when I cannot access the internet, or am away from home. Then, when I do log into the game, I could just copy+paste my story, without wasting any time.
If you wanted to disable copy+paste, maybe you could make a feature to upload .txt files. That wouldnt really stop piracy though.
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Yea, Silverblade is right...I usually write things up at work when I have nothing to do (3/4ths of the time im there) so then to do this i\'d email it to myself and have it here, then I wouldn\'t want to retype the whole thing up again, and I doubt I could stay connected long enough to do so
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Originally posted by Silverblade
I wouldnt want copy+paste disabled for one reason. When I am logged in to the game, I want to spend my time playing, not standing around typing up a story.
Excellent point. In fact, why stop there. Why not just allow users to save off the the book to their hardrive?
Who cares if they are re-posted somewhere else (I don\'t as long a they keep my name/alias on it). That wouldn\'t stop in-game sales of a book. I can\'t imagine that in-game books would cost so much that it would deter a person from actually buying them. The only draw back is the time to read them in-game.
A good example is my post in the \'want to be famous\' thread. The story is 5000+ words long and I don\'t mind if someone saves it off or prints it out. The only problem is when they copy it and put their name on it (online or in another in-game book)and hopefully that won\'t be too big of a problem.
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If you could just copy + paste stories, then you could also steal stories from the internet.
I don\'t care if people do it because it\'s not my work. But IF somebody finds a book with their own work in, but with another signature, I belive they would get pissed off.
I don\'t want this great game to be sued by some dreary author who finds his work in a book (If dreary authors actually play computergames) ;)
Well, anyway you get my point...
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I think the advantages of writing the stories within the games offset the disadvantages of the time it takes... We may have an upload feature, but we\'ll have to think about it.
- Venge
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I\'m taking classes for comp programming. It would help to brush up my English by becoming the rpg equivalent to Mark Twain. I have some interesting ideas story wise, that might be interesting. I wonder if there could be like a name lock system. If you wrote at least, say
3-5 pages. The option to lock your name into the book would show up? That way, if you picked up a book someone just dropped you could write in it, and then sell it. While you wouldn\'t have to worry about someone plagarzing your book.
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Originally posted by Vengeance
We may have an upload feature, but we\'ll have to think about it.
Well if there is no upload feature, at least something to save your progress on the book in-game?
wait, did i just say the same thing?
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How about after you finish writing or copy/paste the book in then you could set the book to be locked out so it can\'t be edited or copy/pasted so when you finish people could read it and it would take a lot of work to copy and steal plus you should have your character name locked into the book so people dont steal your work...
Also I think there should be a rating system like on ebay where you could see if someone has been stealing other storys...
And you could make your storys have to be sent to the PS staff then they could read it to see if your copying someone else or if your not then they could add it as a book in the game ...
Also you could tell the PS staff if someone is stealing your book. They could time stamp books as they came in so they know who did it first.
All you need to do is add a new staff group calling it like the book editors or something to the PS staff and they could review all books and add them to the game so that the other staff members dont have to spend time reading storys and could work on writing the code
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All you need to do is add a new staff group calling it like the book editors or something to the PS staff and they could review all books and add them to the game so that the other staff members dont have to spend time reading storys and could work on writing the code
Yeah, just like a GM, but for that one specific purpose. I wouldnt mind reviewing books before they are published.
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Ya, I think a lot of people would do that being this is a fantasy game and a lot of the people here like to read fantasy books 8o
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Hmmm...It would have to be a good book, to send it to a GM and have it rated. It would be interesting to shop around for creative stories. I have two ideas if anyone wants to hear it.
1) Could there be a way to download illustrations online, that we could drag-n-drop onto our books for illustrations? We could use things like the sketches the dev team used.
2) What about leaflets, magazines, and stuff? Would it hinder the player to have to write a coloum, say, once a month for player to read? I guess you could jsut use the books.
Just an idea. Thought I\'d throw my idea in the hat.
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Illustrations will take too much space.
Then you have to download a whole lot of pics every time you start up the game.
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Originally posted by Fanomatic2000
Illustrations will take too much space.
Then you have to download a whole lot of pics every time you start up the game.
Not if they are limited to monochrome, a specific size, and a finite number per book. A 64x64 monochrome pictures takes up about as much room as 512 characters. Plus, you only have to \'download\' the picture when you open the book.
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Right, a dictionary of monsters with an illustration on every page would take forever, but the occasional monster pic, map, or landscape drawing would be nice, maybe it could work like Clipart, where you can drag the edges, making it larger or smaller.
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How about making a blocker to prevent people from publishing text identacle to someone else\'s. It coul see and if ther is a paragraph or more the same it could alert the GMs and the Devs
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If someone was going to copy someone\'s book, they wouldn\'t do it verbatim, so you\'d need some sort of fuzzy logic to ask \"If this book is similar to that book, then Tell the submitter \'j00 3vi1 c0py c4t!\'\"
We could limit the artwork to vector art, but that would require some know-how to both create for use in books and implement in-game, but the upside is that the graphics would scale nicely and there would be small filesizes (also, When n books are added to the official library, the vector graphics would be packed up and fed to the updater, resulting in even smaller load times)
josePhoenix
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Why not making it like in real life!
Generally when an author wants to save his works against stealing and such things, (for the cheap and simplest way) they just send to themselves the text by sealed registered letter and preserve it, then they use the postmark as proof of anteriority in the event of stealing.
Now for the postmark, as equivalent you could use some pgp or Md5sum checking ways in PS.
Players could also make it simply by reporting fake or stealed books, and GMs should finish the job by warning/baning the responsible guys.
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I love the idea of making books and getting a preview sample.
You wouldn\'t have just storybooks there could be cooking books, guide for newbies books, smithing and mining books, How to raise a Pteosaur and Animal books, ya that\'ll be cool.
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Originally posted by 5c5b11
Why not making it like in real life!
Generally when an author wants to save his works against stealing and such things, (for the cheap and simplest way) they just send to themselves the text by sealed registered letter and preserve it, then they use the postmark as proof of anteriority in the event of stealing.
Now for the postmark, as equivalent you could use some pgp or Md5sum checking ways in PS.
Players could also make it simply by reporting fake or stealed books, and GMs should finish the job by warning/baning the responsible guys.
Wow, for a newbie you sure know a lot xD
(j/k o\' course, we all know that post count has no bearing on intelligence)
I think there should be a PS library of congress type thing, where you can go and read the books at no charge (but any bonuses you would have gained such as a \"Train Pterosaur\" skill won\'t be given... If those are even in books :P), this serves for comparison, you can \"check out\" 2 books at a time and show them to someone to compare them and prove that one is a copy of the other... It will add to the RP\'ing aspect of it if you actually bring a GM in to the library and show them the two books in question, rather than they, with their uber-powers, skim the two books and give their verdict without ever meeting you in person...
josePhoenix
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Originally posted by josephoenix
Wow, for a newbie you sure know a lot xD
(j/k o\' course, we all know that post count has no bearing on intelligence)
I think there should be a PS library of congress type thing, where you can go and read the books at no charge (but any bonuses you would have gained such as a \"Train Pterosaur\" skill won\'t be given... If those are even in books :P), this serves for comparison, you can \"check out\" 2 books at a time and show them to someone to compare them and prove that one is a copy of the other... It will add to the RP\'ing aspect of it if you actually bring a GM in to the library and show them the two books in question, rather than they, with their uber-powers, skim the two books and give their verdict without ever meeting you in person...
josePhoenix
Heh, thanks ; p.
If a system like the one you are describing is used, the book part could be very interesting.
Rp would be improved and bad/fake copys well fought.
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Perhaps theives con copy books and distrubet/sell them to people cheaply?
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No, because plagarism is a \"real life\" crime. A theif in game shouldn\'t have to commit real life crimes.
josePhoenix
EDIT: Woo Hoo! I just noticed that I have red stars now! *does a \"Double As\" dance* (I used to think it was Double Ass... :P)