PlaneShift

Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: ajdaha on October 20, 2003, 08:32:08 pm

Title: The shape of the Plane Shift world, LOL, LOL, LOL
Post by: ajdaha on October 20, 2003, 08:32:08 pm: What on earth is that huge cone hovering in space.
Its PlaneShift. Why would it be cone shaped, how unrealistic is that, even for a pretty imaginative game. I really hope they change this, it just makes it harder to roleplay for me personally.
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Post by: Moogie on October 20, 2003, 08:36:29 pm: If you had read the Settings and History on the website first, you wouldn\'t look particularly stupid right now.
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Post by: Dameon on October 20, 2003, 08:46:41 pm: Hmmm, should I fill him in? I think I will.

The planet is not shaped like a cone. The entire world of Planeshift is inside a giant stalagtite (big downward spike) hanging in a HUGE cave...
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Post by: Axsyrus on October 20, 2003, 09:11:48 pm: Yliakum is INSIDE a stalactite.. not shaped like one -_-;
and it\'s not hovering in space, it\'s inside a giant cave..

Please read the setting:
http://www.planeshift.it/setting_overview.html
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Post by: Drilixer on October 20, 2003, 09:23:08 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Dameon
Hmmm, should I fill him in? I think I will.

The planet is not shaped like a cone. The entire world of Planeshift is inside a giant stalagtite (big downward spike) hanging in a HUGE cave...

hmmm... *cracks nuckles*

this is only half true... Yliakum, a location within Planeshift, is the \'world\' (better refered to as a controlled ecosystem) inside the stalagmite...
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Post by: Kiva on October 20, 2003, 09:28:10 pm: I\'ll just translate those very confusing words with which all this has been explained with.

PlaneShift = Planet / World
Yliakum = Big Hollow Stone Hanging From The Top Of A Big Cave.

In case you didn\'t understand this then please read it again, until you do understand it.
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Post by: Drilixer on October 20, 2003, 09:38:39 pm: heh - actually we have left out a couple facts that may be helpful towards your understanding of \'the world\'
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understand that Planeshift is a game and hence is completely OOC

so you could revize that Gronomist to:

Yliakum = giant hollow cone on cieling of cave
[place that holds Ylikaum] = world
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Post by: ajdaha on October 20, 2003, 10:45:20 pm: Sorry people.
I\'ve read that script before, I must have understood it differently, maybe because i was in a hurry.
I realise that it must be anoying to have someone talk as if they are correct without actually understanding what they are writing about.
But now that i\'ve read it thoroughly I still think its
a bit interesting the way it all is
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Post by: druke on October 21, 2003, 04:08:14 am: well i always understood the hole stalagmite thing as a cosmological position
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Post by: Davis on October 21, 2003, 04:37:05 am: Either I have no idea what you are talking about, Druke, or you are wrong. My 11:00 thinking does not serve me well, however.
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Post by: derwoodly on October 21, 2003, 06:54:35 am: I have a dificult time not laughing about the cone world thing myself. I believe the developers are stuck on the concept. Yah, you can explain to me about how it is a hollow stalagmite and all, but it does not change the fact that the modle inside the computer is a icecream cone. Reminds me of Dr. Suess and Horton hears a Who.

Welcome to whovile adjaha.
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Post by: ajdaha on October 21, 2003, 09:22:26 am: THats what I think aswell.
Why was it that the developers couldn\'t go with the good, old, round, spherical idea.
It wouldn\'t take away from the originality because people don\'t really care about the shape of the world they are living in. Unless PlaneShift is going to be something extremerly different from all the other MMORPGs then i say stick to the round planet idea.
THis is all my opinion so if you think i\'m wrong you\'re welcome to say it. But only if you say why i\'m wrong.
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Post by: Skain on October 21, 2003, 10:45:23 am: Because then we wouldnt have multiple planes to travel between, we can journey all directions in this world, whereas in a spherical world we cannot explorer up or down.
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Post by: dorbian on October 21, 2003, 10:59:08 am: and that is what makes this game so special, you can go up and down and left and right you only can\'t get out of the cone ( well you can now but that is a bug )

the only thing that bothers me is the day and night part, if the cone\'s isn\'t turning ( otherwise we would all fall out or something ) how can it become night ?( ok i\'m confused i\'m not going to this thread anymore it makes me do funny things
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Post by: Skain on October 21, 2003, 11:04:47 am: THe entire top of the stalegmite is the crystal so light around the stalegmite goes into this and reflects around yliakum.
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Post by: _Rhyxali on October 21, 2003, 11:43:00 am: Well, you can look at it this way...

The Azure Sun exists in the middle of the cavern roof and provides light that has day/night cycles. This could mean the following:

1. The big crystal emits its own light, which could be that the crystal itself is magical/supernatural/god-created, or that since it emits its own light, it may actually be alive, and the day/night cycles are its life pulses. It may or may not even be a crystal.

2. The big crystal does not emit its own light, but reflects it from elsewhere. It could reflect the light that\'s inside the giant cavern, but I think this unlikely. It would have to amplify light as well to accomplish this. It could also be that the light that is seen in day/night cycles comes from somewhere outside the cavern, and that the cycles represent a planetary rotation.

If you log into the client and go to the library, there\'s a book on the bottom floor with an upwards-streaming particle light beneath it. On the open page you can see a macro-view of Yliakum. Many people miss this.
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Post by: Axsyrus on October 21, 2003, 12:07:40 pm: Quote
The Crystal draws its light from the surface and thus Yliakum is subjected to times of \"day\" and \"night\"

http://www.planeshift.it/setting_overview.html

i\'ve made a quick image of how the world looks like according to the website:

(http://q-news.sourceforge.net/temp/world.gif)
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Post by: ajdaha on October 21, 2003, 02:49:52 pm: Nice drawing!!

But what about this cave, is it really big in size?
Does anything live in the cave, is there any atmosphere?
And is it that we are really tiny, or is it that the cave is huge?
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Post by: Xordan on October 21, 2003, 02:54:18 pm: yuh, doesn\'t the planet have a mantle? I think we should get earthquakes and stuff.
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Post by: Kiva on October 21, 2003, 03:02:26 pm: Who said PlaneShift was located on the Earth? Who says this planet has a hot core, like the Earth? What makes you think this planet is even made like the Earth, so that there are earthquakes?

Oh, and please. There are humanoid creatures on the planet, so of course there\'s an atmosphere. :P
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Post by: Drilixer on October 21, 2003, 03:04:34 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Axsyrus
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The Crystal draws its light from the surface and thus Yliakum is subjected to times of \"day\" and \"night\"

http://www.planeshift.it/setting_overview.html

i\'ve made a quick image of how the world looks like according to the website:

(http://q-news.sourceforge.net/temp/world.gif)

I like the drawing
Edit: akthoguh you didn\'t draw the inside of the stalgtite right
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Post by: Xordan on October 21, 2003, 03:47:25 pm: I suppose their might not be a core or mantle. It would be freezing cold, and compasses wouldn\'t work, and the planet wouldn\'t have much gravity, but other than that, it would be fine. :D
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Post by: dorbian on October 21, 2003, 04:08:16 pm: or we are all the size of ants or that is some ( censured word ) big cave.

i really don\'t wanna be lost in that cave thingie
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Post by: druke on October 21, 2003, 04:24:16 pm: wow..some people here haven\'t read the hole storyline thingy.. i would highly suggest doing that
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Post by: Axsyrus on October 21, 2003, 04:44:27 pm: i don\'t think the cave is really that big compared to the planet, but it made it somewhat easier to draw it this way..
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Post by: dorbian on October 21, 2003, 04:45:33 pm: i know but still thinking about it that it\'s THAT BIG you would still feel like an ant.

lol someone that is playing sim ant is controlling our planeshift characters withous us knowing it ( so that\'s what the lag is )
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Post by: Axsyrus on October 21, 2003, 04:58:34 pm: i\'ve made a small adjustment to my drawing, the 2 highest levels are above the roof of the cave now
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Post by: lynx_lupo on October 21, 2003, 05:15:23 pm: It\'s silly to try to put PS in our physics model. The place has a MAGICAL crystal, mind you. So anything is possible.
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Post by: ajdaha on October 21, 2003, 07:17:38 pm: I thought no one lived in the cave, but they all lived in the Stalactite. So it doesn\'t really mean that the cave has to have an atmosphere, does it.
And yeah, if there is gravity on the planet (which i\'m sure there is) won\'t the stalactite maybe drop and crash, which could mean the end to us all.
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Post by: ajdaha on October 21, 2003, 07:26:23 pm: Also, i have read the storline, but to actually explaine this whole idea you would need more than what they have writen.
I wish they would update their pages a bit.

If civilizations can live in a stalgmite then surely some can survive outside it on the surface of the land.
And if so, they would be the size of .... i don\'t know whats. It would be so cool if they implemented this in the game.
Just imagine afer years of gameplay you find you and your guild have bust loose out of the stalagmite and find that a huge man like creature (so huge that it coveres your whole area of sight) would walk past and step on you.
And the only way you could avoid it is if you ran 60 miles a second, because thats how big his foot was. :( :( :( :P
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Post by: Niber on October 22, 2003, 10:58:08 am: Haven\'t you ppl read Dante\'s Divina Commedia? The stalactite looks like inferno in that story but with one less level.
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Post by: boonet on October 22, 2003, 07:54:18 pm: Quote
And yeah, if there is gravity on the planet (which i\'m sure there is) won\'t the stalactite maybe drop and crash, which could mean the end to us all.

huhm... one thing a lot of people don\'t realize is that gravity actually decreases when someone goes deeper inside a planet, down to the point of zero gravity at its center, for the simple reason that the rest of the planet is pulling from every direction around us. Given this small note that, to be honest, has little or no relation to Planeshift, let\'s move to the real topic of my reply: I am amazed by how people find perfectly normal dragons and spells in games, which I am pretty sure they never had a chance to meet in real life, and at the same time find so many difficulties understanding a huge stalactyte created and kept together by magic...
Mysteries of the human mind... ;)
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Post by: ajdaha on October 22, 2003, 08:41:55 pm: Is it? Kept together by magic that is.
I didn\'t know that, i thought it was just a random formation.
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Post by: druke on October 23, 2003, 04:28:14 pm: Quote
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I am amazed by how people find perfectly normal dragons and spells in games, which I am pretty sure they never had a chance to meet in real life,

... you mean to tell me you\'ve never seen a dragon??? :P
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Post by: Isgrimnur on October 23, 2003, 05:59:44 pm: How many times does this have to be discussed????

We all live in a giant stalagtite in a huge cave with a labyrinth of tunnels connecting them to the surface. Anything you cant understand or think is unrealistic blame on Magic. OK!!

(Dont forget the portals to other places in the tunnels)
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Post by: Kixie on October 23, 2003, 05:59:58 pm: hmm i didnt think this thread would be so big... hehe i didnt think anyone gave a hoot what the world was or not. I wonder if the devs were coked up when they made this game... i mean cmon stalagtites and crystals... huge caves... wat the heck man, thats crazy...
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Post by: Caldazar on October 23, 2003, 06:20:39 pm: You do realize that this stalagmite could be inside a planet, and that their could be a surface, and many other stalagmites, just like this one?
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Post by: Isgrimnur on October 23, 2003, 06:23:08 pm: Quote
You do realize that this stalagmite could be inside a planet, and that their could be a surface

I already said that didn\'t I??

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We all live in a giant stalagtite in a huge cave with a labyrinth of tunnels connecting them to the surface.
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Post by: Caldazar on October 23, 2003, 07:34:27 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Isgrimnur
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You do realize that this stalagmite could be inside a planet, and that their could be a surface

I already said that didn\'t I??

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We all live in a giant stalagtite in a huge cave with a labyrinth of tunnels connecting them to the surface.

Just stated it again, since I thought that the message wasn\'t accepted by everyone.
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Post by: Isgrimnur on October 23, 2003, 08:05:17 pm: Fair enough. :D
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Post by: Exodus on October 23, 2003, 08:22:09 pm: no offense but this is one of the( if not \"THE\" ) weirdest settings i\'ve ever heard of.

Is there gonna be any way to actually visit the \"surface\" of the \"planet\" outside of this stalagmite/tite?
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Post by: _Rhyxali on October 24, 2003, 08:35:22 am: Quote
Originally posted by Caldazar
and many other stalagmites, just like this one

I think I like the implications of that. Different populations? Different races perhaps? Other Gods? Other civilizations to mingle into? :D Who knows what\'s waiting for us a few years down the development road? If Yliakum is inside a planet, it must be the size of Saturn or Jupiter... or it could be just magic (blegh). Cosmology is fun, get on board!
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Post by: Wolfmane on October 24, 2003, 11:40:58 am: ajdaha

Next time come and ask someone in AO before cluttering things with stuff like this! You make us all look stupid.
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Post by: Kiva on October 24, 2003, 02:32:47 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Exodus
Is there gonna be any way to actually visit the \"surface\" of the \"planet\" outside of this stalagmite/tite?

Unless I have seriously misunderstood something, then that\'s where the Enkidukais come from. Outside, that is. We\'re just not able to go there before at least the cave has been finished or is close to. :)
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Post by: ajdaha on October 24, 2003, 07:55:23 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Wolfmane
ajdaha

Next time come and ask someone in AO before cluttering things with stuff like this! You make us all look stupid.

I\'m sorry, i really am
I wish someone would close down this thread.
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Post by: Axsyrus on October 24, 2003, 08:42:53 pm: hehe, you can edit your post to make it look like you said something less stupid :P
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Post by: Exodus on October 25, 2003, 03:40:25 am: Quote
Originally posted by Gronomist
Unless I have seriously misunderstood something, then that\'s where the Enkidukais come from. Outside, that is. We\'re just not able to go there before at least the cave has been finished or is close to. :)

So at some point in this game\'s development surface travel out of the stalagmite/tite will be possible?
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Post by: Kiern on October 25, 2003, 04:06:03 am: Possibly, I don\'t see why not if they have done a lot in the current setting unless it gets too big or something :P, but it is not certain and I think the devs want to keep it that way even if they knew theirselves.
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Post by: derwoodly on October 25, 2003, 10:50:24 am: Quote
Originally posted by Niber
Haven\'t you ppl read Dante\'s Divina Commedia? The stalactite looks like inferno in that story but with one less level.

looks like most of the posters did not go to school in Itally. Personally, I went to an american public school, and a bad one at that, so I have not heard of Dante, much less the book you mention...

< five minutes on the internet latter >

It looks like it is required reading in Itally, and Planeshift is bassed loosly on hell. It makes a lot more sense to me now. Little devil characters and the motto \"the world is not enough\".

adjaha,
If your idea was really bad, the developers would remove it. It is still here and it is in the General Forum. A lot of posts are moved. You should be proud of your post! :)
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Post by: ajdaha on October 25, 2003, 03:56:04 pm: U must be joking, Proud of MY posts? Idon\'t even deserve the cool newbie status. :D
Good point though, this thread is about to reach the
50 mark.

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hehe, you can edit your post to make it look like you said something less stupid :P

That is a good idea.

*feels relieved*
Oh no, you can\'t change the title.

Actually it would be quite obvious because of all the replies i got defining my stupidity
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Post by: Davis on October 25, 2003, 09:03:07 pm: Well, there was an old topic about what should be above the surface, and I agree with the people who were saying it should be a sort of wasteland where all the toughest monsters are. That would also save the devs a lot of trouble, so they don\'t have to program an entire planet surface.
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Post by: ajdaha on October 25, 2003, 10:04:07 pm: But then you would have to explain why there is a wasteland on the surface.
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Post by: Davis on October 25, 2003, 11:01:09 pm: Because of the sun. The nature of the sun decays living matter. The crystal that lights Ylakium dilutes this, however, along with many of the other harmful effects the sun has.
How about that?
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Post by: ajdaha on October 26, 2003, 12:15:01 pm: Thats good but then how could the monsters survive there?
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Post by: Axsyrus on October 26, 2003, 03:01:05 pm: I\'m still confused about one part of the settings..

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At the seventh level the radiation is just enough to penetrate the mass of the lake in order to light it, while on the first level it is so strong that it allows wonderful crops and the breeding of great cattle, which provide milk and meat.

how does this radiation get through all these levels?
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Post by: ajdaha on October 26, 2003, 06:03:30 pm: You did see the picture of the stalagmite, right.
Well the crystal provides the radiation and it lights up all beneath it.
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Post by: Davis on October 26, 2003, 07:49:41 pm: Quote
Originally posted by ajdaha
Thats good but then how could the monsters survive there?

Well, why do you think they are the toughest monsters? Natural selection. Only the toughest monsters can survive there.
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Post by: ajdaha on October 26, 2003, 08:44:08 pm: as long as they are living they should find it hard to survive if their sun is so dangerous. You said it yourself
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Post by: Davis on October 27, 2003, 01:15:37 am: They have evolved to be tough enough to withstand it.
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Post by: Zeonire on October 30, 2003, 02:31:08 am: Dude, just read the setting and stuff. Also, it is just a game- don\'t worry about it\'s \"shape.\" Just enjoy it!

-Zeonire.
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Post by: Davis on October 30, 2003, 04:54:27 am: You haven\'t read the previous posts have you...
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Post by: Ranegyn on October 31, 2003, 02:16:36 am: \"And is it that we are really tiny, or is it that the cave is huge?\"

I can say this for sure. We are really tiny compared to the huge cave.

It\'s all relative anyways.
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Post by: Davis on October 31, 2003, 04:31:47 am: If a train is moving across the surface of a planet, which is moving? Does it depend onm perspective? But if the universe is finite then you can measure from that... but information can only travel at the speed of light. In other words, I have no idea.
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Post by: Axsyrus on October 31, 2003, 02:09:05 pm: so every level is shaped like a halo, and there is a giant hole in the middle...
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Post by: Ranegyn on October 31, 2003, 05:04:43 pm: This confuses me since the city we\'re currently in is sitting on a floating disc.... ....how does that fit in?
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Post by: Axsyrus on October 31, 2003, 05:05:44 pm: the map isn\'t finished yet..
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Post by: Caldazar on October 31, 2003, 05:22:05 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Ranegyn
This confuses me since the city we\'re currently in is sitting on a floating disc.... ....how does that fit in?

That\'s just how it was designed. It wont be that way in future builds.