PlaneShift
Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Moogie on October 21, 2003, 12:22:01 pm
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Hiya everyone,
Our good friends at Fragnetics are offering 3 FREE 50mb webspace accounts (ad-less, bannerless, limitless!) to select PlaneShift Guilds. The idea is that Guild leaders would send an application to be reviewed to see if they qualify to be entered into a competition.
We need to write up some criteria, requirements, so as to ensure Guilds who submit an application arn\'t going to disappear after a couple of weeks, and that they are going to put this space to good use if they win. Any comments and suggestions are welcomed, but bear in mind that we want to make sure the requirements are fair and do not ignore new Guilds or those who simply do not get as much publicity as others.
Chrischoo throws around some ideas:
Clans can purchase their own domains from other sources, and we will
do the necessary set-up required to have their e-mail and websites hosted on
our server. Alternatively we could start a http://clans.fragnetics.com
subdomain as well.
There is no catch to this offer, except that we are only interested in
having the more established clans who have such a need, host their websites
with us. If they already have their own domains we can set up their accounts
such that they are entitled to unlimited e-mail accounts as described under
our web hosting plans at http://www.fragnetics.com/services/webhosting.html
Also bear in mind that, because we intend on holding an open contest, the criteria need not be so strict as to only apply to 3 Guilds. Let\'s get a list of applicable Guilds involved and have the members of each competing against eachother in some really fun way. :)
Here\'s my personal input on the idea:
1st point: The contest should involve all the Guild members of those involved in a group activity. The contest itself could be one big event, or it may be comprised of several smaller events, like a school sports day. The teams would rack up points in various different competitions and have a total at the end. The 3 highest scores win!
2nd point: Applicable Guilds should at least have some basic form of Website up, if only for proof that they are somewhat organised and serious about their commitment. I don\'t think requirements should be set for how new or old a Guild has to be, but that is of course for you all to decide.
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Many thanks go to Chrischoo and the Fragnetics Team (http://www.fragnetics.com) for this unique offer!
Looking forward to your input. Give us your thoughts! :)
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Nice idea, I like it.
I not sure how u can get guilds to compete, as most of the ways are unfair to some.
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well i asume she means the guilds that are really active atm, and the guilds that have the best ideas and things like that.
Sort of who want\'s to become the president of USA competition.
and yes xordan the person with the biggest bribe would win ( in your world :P )
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Sort of who want\'s to become the president of USA competition.
Oh, I see.
So the person who makes the highest bribe wins?
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very kewl idea chriscoo/moogie
i say Defenders whould benifit from a offer like this the most
and mebbie mirth :D
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Originally posted by dorbian
Sort of who want\'s to become the president of USA competition.
The general impression I get, of the campaign the Americans running for president are employing, is to ridicule your opponent as much as possible, and try to hide the bad things about yourself.. So that your opponent can\'t ridicule you in the same fashion (same goes to some extent for the british)
And to think that the worlds superpowers are governed by cretins, willing to employ such undemocratic methods is simply scaring..
No, it would be much better to have something up the ladder mogura suggested..
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And i hope that the three guilds that get elected will not gain political powers in PS, just free hosting ;-)
No, error: i hope that if AO is not in the three guilds, these one will not gain political powers in PS, just free hosting :D
Hmm... seriously, i think that a contest is better than debates. Can you imagine a Cabal vs Lawful Guild debate? probably not so interesting...
[edit]: No offense Draklar, i just took Defenders as a lawful guild to show that a debate between a lawful and an evil guild will be pointless.
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Originally posted by seperot
i say Defenders whould benifit from a offer like this the most
Nah, we got offer of hosting our website from one of our members :)
Originally posted by elscouta
Can you imagine a Cabal vs Defenders debate? probably not so interesting...
here comes the mud slinging :rolleyes:
just wondering... how many of Defenders members do you know to say such thing, hmmm?
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Oook... let\'s not start drifting here... strictly to topic please. If nobody discusses this, how are we going to do it? :P
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Maybe we can give the hosting to guild that *really* need it until CB comes, and two or three months later, make a contest in game where the winners will get it.
Draklar: sorry i think i haven\'t made myself understood, read the edit ;)
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Originally posted by elscouta
Maybe we can give the hosting to guild that *really* need it until CB comes, and two or three months later, make a contest in game where the winners will get it.
I don\'t think this will work;
1)no guild really needs it. A website made on a free host can be 10 times better then a website on a paid host. What im saying is that if you really need some webspace, a free host also works.
2)What makes a guild THAT guild who \"really needs it\" ??
3)so give a guild the host for 2-3 months and after the time is up, they get booted from the host? Not really fair dont you think? It should be decided now or later in a few months. Giving the host for just 2 months to a guild isnt usefull, it can take more then that to get your website finnished.
I hope i may arguements are a bit clear...
As for contest ideas, it should defenitly include a part which has todo with webdesign and the guild\'s organization.
Planeshift likes to see good organized guilds which really fits inside a rpg world. It would be an idea to give the 3 hosts to the 3 best guilds who put alot of effort into roleplaying, beliefs, organization etc.
And offcourse the webdesign. The price is a great webspace so its nothing but healthy sense that there should be some webdesign-stuff in the contest. To make it equal between webdesign pro\'s and amateurs we could look at: ideas, photoshop designs etc.
EDIT:i was wondering do the 3 hosts also get their on domain?
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ooooohhhhh...
ok, sorry, didn\'t get that :P
anyways i think debate of evil and lawful guild wouldn\'t be that pointles...
Now Cabal is other thing... i think they might make pointles debate with any type of guild ;)
You know... that\'s what they are best in :P
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Originally posted by Xolon
1)no guild really needs it. A website made on a free host can be 10 times better then a website on a paid host. What im saying is that if you really need some webspace, a free host also works.
Still, those with the skill to create a decent website may also want to include more content.
Originally posted by Xolon
2)What makes a guild THAT guild who \"really needs it\" ??
That\'s one of the things open to discussion here. :)
Originally posted by Xolon
3)so give a guild the host for 2-3 months and after the time is up, they get booted from the host? Not really fair dont you think? It should be decided now or later in a few months. Giving the host for just 2 months to a guild isnt usefull, it can take more then that to get your website finnished.
I\'m not sure what you mean. We have no intention of booting anyone once they\'ve been given the accounts. We want to eliminate the need to do this before we even start. That\'s why this thread exists.
Originally posted by Xolon
Planeshift likes to see good organized guilds which really fits inside a rpg world. It would be an idea to give the 3 hosts to the 3 best guilds who put alot of effort into roleplaying, beliefs, organization etc.
And offcourse the webdesign. The price is a great webspace so its nothing but healthy sense that there should be some webdesign-stuff in the contest. To make it equal between webdesign pro\'s and amateurs we could look at: ideas, photoshop designs etc.
Sounds good, but how would you put beliefs and organisation on a scale to see who is \'best\' or \'worst\'?
Originally posted by Xolon
EDIT:i was wondering do the 3 hosts also get their on domain?
Not sure, Chrischoo will have to answer that one. :)
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Originally posted by Mogura
Originally posted by Xolon
3)so give a guild the host for 2-3 months and after the time is up, they get booted from the host? Not really fair dont you think? It should be decided now or later in a few months. Giving the host for just 2 months to a guild isnt usefull, it can take more then that to get your website finnished.
I\'m not sure what you mean. We have no intention of booting anyone once they\'ve been given the accounts. We want to eliminate the need to do this before we even start. That\'s why this thread exists.
I believe Xolon was responding to elscouta\'s post on this one. (and the other two)
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thnx for explaining kiern :)
yup i was actually replying on elscouta\'s post.
Beliefs and organization can be scaled if their waterproof. Do they raise any questions? If so, are these questions answered on other places of the site (the guildrules for instance).
Beliefs and organization dont have to be 100% original, but does it contain things that gives this guild its own identity? does it makes the guild \'special\'?
I think these are one of the main questions we should try to answer when looking at a guild\'s belief/organization.
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I have been privvy to a nice little voice chat client called TeamSpeak and it seems many MMO players have heard of this.It is kinda like voice irc.In later versions of the game it would be quite useful for guilds to use this during events to communicate with each other instead of having to stop the event and type a /guild message. I have been running it on my little 1.1 ghz comp and have had little problems with BandWidth and resource use.Maybe instead of giving out webspace we could get fragnetics to install it on a server and set up a main room \"Planeshift Lounge\" and then have the guilds register for their own rooms with the server Admin. I think this could benefit the entire PS community rather than just 3 guilds. If interested you can get more info at http://www.teamspeak.org The problem with me running a server is that i need to shut down my comp so my IP address constantly changes.I was trying to find a dedicated server to run this and it would be great if Fragnetics could do it.And if you want to test it out i DO have a server on the server list under Circle of Legends.Just DL the right client and when you connect look under the webserver list for it then import it to your address book and connect with a username.If I am on you will see it and i would like to hear from visitors:)
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like the known prog: RogerWilco. ya i heard about it, but this is a bit offtopic dont you think?
maybe moving this and sabres post?
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heh bushie dident tell you that did he saber ;)
we rangers have been talking about useing it for a month now any we are now just trying to get a server and test date
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I\'d like to clarify a few things:
1) While we don\'t have any intention of booting people once we issue them accounts, I think that we should have an informal agreement that at least allows us to withdraw our offer should the guild become non-functional (based on fuzzy guidelines) or dissolve. This is to ensure that we get a comfortable level of commitment that show that the guilds appreciate our services. I personally don\'t think the quality of the webpage matters, but instead whether the resources we provide are used effectively. If not, we should have the right to give the account to another guild. I can promise you that we will not boot you for no rhyme or reason - We would like to think of ourselves as mature, responsible young men, who can at least be rational about the decisions we make.
2) This offer should not be construed as some kind of political leverage. Fragnetics and the PlaneShift devs function very independently of each other but share a close \'working\' relationship. I say \'working\' because we take it more like a collaboration (or in PS terms, Fragnetics are contributors), rather than co-\"workers\". Our guys enjoy hosting the game, although we don\'t play it regularly, and we certainly hope PS takes hold in our region of the world. Furthermore, we do not expect to be the sole host of PS in future and hence don\'t see ourselves as any kind of political force.
3) When we make this offer for free hosting, we are not implying that these guilds are any better than the rest. Frankly speaking, our hosting quality is not as high as other hosts (we only offer 99% compared to say 99.9% availability). Also, we\'re making this offer because we think that some guilds, regardless of reputation and stature, may find that they could use a hosting service with no popups, side-ads and stuff. We are offering an alternative, and not suggesting that this solution is any better than others.
4) We are limiting the number of guilds to 3 for the time being - This is because I think that offering too many would dilute the exclusivity of the offer. This may sound like it contradicts point 3, but I beg to differ. Instead, what we want is just to have guilds show a decent level of commitment to this offer, just as we make the commitment to host them. To put things in perspective, if such a scheme is successful we may decide to issue more accounts in future. If it really sucks then you should know where these accounts are headed.
5) We will not be providing domains to these guilds but can issue them directories under a subdomain such as planeshift.fragnetics.com (I will need to discuss this with the devs before I can issue this) or guilds.fragnetics.com (which we can decide on unilaterally). Guilds who purchase their own domains can park them with us for free as well. We are providing this service at no extra financial cost to us, hence we do not intend to offer domains as part of the deal.
6) This offer has been made without consulting the PS devs (so far). We\'ve taken this step because we\'re only offering a hosting service and not tying it to PlaneShift directly (which is why I can\'t just issue accounts under planeshift.fragnetics.com).
7) I would like to point out that Fragnetics is not likely to be an exclusive host for PlaneShift in future, and so your decision to apply should take that into consideration. We will continue to support web hosted guilds regardless of which server they play on, since we think PlaneShift is cool and are committed to the gaming community centred on it.
I\'m speculating a bit on our status as hosts because as contributors we are not privy to sensitive discussions that go on within the PlaneShift committee. However, based on our recent correspondence we are confident that we will be hosting PlaneShift for a looonggg time to come... As long as we don\'t suddenly shut down anyway :D
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that surely clears things up, thnx chrischoo
! 8)
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Seperot
heh bushie dident tell you that did he saber
Actually no he didn\'t.I found out about it with Skizzik while playinf FWO.The clan we are in was using it for a war event and i loved the idea...I didn\'t know u guys were even doing that.
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the Fso also has room on its server to host 1 site for a guild and its on a first come first serve basis, lots of room 100 + mb
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Originally posted by Sabrewulf
Seperotheh bushie dident tell you that did he saber
Actually no he didn\'t.I found out about it with Skizzik while playinf FWO.The clan we are in was using it for a war event and i loved the idea...I didn\'t know u guys were even doing that.
tis ok it just seemed funny thats all ;)
anyways back on topic: so who has enter so far?
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Chrischoo, please pass along to your colleagues as well that the PS dev team team deeply appreciates all your company is doing for PS, including this generous offer. You guys rock! :-)
- Venge
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As always we\'re happy to be a part of PlaneShift. I\'m leaving it to Mogura to figure it out the registrations for us since I\'m not the best person to ask when it comes to activity on our server. I don\'t keep a close tab on the guilds and am not in-the-know when it comes to the PS community at large.
My first suggestion on how we can begin is to find out who might be keen and have them drop Mogura an e-mail or PM indicating their interest.
An earlier suggestion on getting web designers to do up the server pages didn\'t really take off so to be frank I don\'t expect a flood of applications. It\'s a small token we can offer though, and considering that we can back it up with a MySQL account and PHP scripting support should make it more functional, especially for those who might be thinking of something more advanced.
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ok, ArcaneOrder needs a good host as our server with mysql database is way to slow for our forum. we already have a website up that contains most of the content(http://www.arcaneorder.cjb.net/) and a new website that will be used when we might get this hosting(http://www.arcane-order.net.ms/)
we really need this hosting as all the council decisions are made on the forums, and it takes about 2 minutes to load a page..
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Originally posted by Axsyrus
ok, ArcaneOrder needs a good host as our server with mysql database is way to slow for our forum. we already have a website up that contains most of the content(http://www.arcaneorder.cjb.net/) and a new website that will be used when we might get this hosting(http://www.arcane-order.net.ms/)
we really need this hosting as all the council decisions are made on the forums, and it takes about 2 minutes to load a page..
I second that!!
I\'m really, really tired of having to wait 2 minutes for each and every subforum/thread I have to load ;(
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I propose a neutral commitee be constituted to look into the matter out of the PS community. They can judge best. Let the guilds apply and then judge them for their comittedness, activity, relevance to PS, organisation. Without any one of these guilds tend to crumble. I also suggest that members of this commitee be kept secret.
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I wouldn\'t like to join the fray. The Cabal\'s interests are served best if its data remains scatttered over many anonymous servers. Though I still dont know the mind of other guild members. I\'ll consult them and find out.
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Thank you for the input, Auran. We\'re currently letting this idea sleep untill CB, but we\'ll most likely follow your idea of an annonymous (but reliable) commitee of judges.
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Originally posted by Mogura
Thank you for the input, Auran. We\'re currently letting this idea sleep untill CB, but we\'ll most likely follow your idea of an annonymous (but reliable) commitee of judges.
What about devs? I think it is difficult to find more reliable and neutral... The only questions is if they have time to spend like that...
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Nah, I don\'t think the devs are a good choice of judge. We need a group of people from the community who know the people and the guilds well. Developers don\'t tend to get involved intimitely in this way.
I\'ll spend some time considering who to ask, but for now I\'m gonna wait for CB.
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was the criteria ever decided?
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I hope that we can wake this idea back up. Due to the recent issue of leadership change among the mercs (see here (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=7521&boardid=18&styleid=3&sid=d8b4e13fdc5fac1242da89e3037974d7) ), we are now in need of webspace. Our former leader Zephyrus cannot transfer control of http://www.darkzephyr.plus.com, and I think, and probably many others will think, that ours is exactly the guild you want to help with this offer. We desperately need it.
I hope that you will choose The Mercenary Guild: chances are we meet all the possible criteria that you could have. Zephyrus\' decision to change leadership illustrates the determination of the guild. None of us want to see this guild fall apart.
Please email me at callison3@adelphia.net if you still are offering this.
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Arcane Order: Are you still in need of web hosting?
AO and Mercenaries: Please wait a day or two, I\'m going to see if Chris is still offering this webspace, and I\'ve recommended you both to him.
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ArcaneOrder.com (http://www.arcaneorder.com/) what do you think ;) :p
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its nice to see there are still organisations out there motivated by a desire to see the quality of the gaming industry and its support increase rather than by profit
if everyone acted like that we wouldnt have all these clones of once popular game concepts that have been thoroughly flogged to death.. neither would we have games re-released year after year with only the year on the title changed
u peeps at fragnetics and planeshift are a rare but very welcome breed :)
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Originally posted by Mogura
Arcane Order: Are you still in need of web hosting?
AO and Mercenaries: Please wait a day or two, I\'m going to see if Chris is still offering this webspace, and I\'ve recommended you both to him.
Not being too pushy, but a response would be good, even if it is a no...
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Hiya guys, sorry for letting this escape my attention for so long. Fragnetics is still offering the webspace and I asked Chris to come here and reply personally, so you should see things getting sorted out soon. I\'m not the best person when it comes to being a messenger. :P
(Oh, and I forgot that the Arcane Order already had webspace, so a note to Chris: ...they already have webspace. :P)
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Mogura asked me to post on the forum and ask for the guilds interested in webspace to contact me directly. You can drop me an e-mail by filling up our contact form at http://www.fragnetics.com/contact.php . Fill in your e-mail address, put the Subject as \"Fragnetics PlaneShift Guild Webspace Hosting\" and I\'ll process these applications.
Since there aren\'t a large number of clans keen on this service (and since we have some capacity) we\'ll set up accounts for up to 3 guilds.
So far Mogura has mentioned the Arcane Order and Mercenary Guild. Arcane Order looks like they\'ve got what they need (so I\'m not really sure what you need unless you\'re actually paying for a service).
I\'ve been really busy with other things so I haven\'t been keeping myself updated with every PlaneShift event, but I can assure you that this webspace offer still holds.
Our web server supports PHP and MySQL. No custom CGI Scripts or anything fanciful, but from our experience PHP and MySQL has been more than enough. For domains hosted with us we will grant unlimited e-mail addresses. The only limitations are 50MB of webspace (for PlaneShift-related stuff) and e-mail combined, a 1-time setup of subdomains if required, and 1 MySQL account.
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Just a reminder that we will only process applications endorsed by Mogura :D . The reason is that we don\'t want to have guilds who don\'t need the webspace and yet are hosted on our server.
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Happy to say that Rebirth has received one of the three spots from Fragnetics. Thanks a million guys *bows* we will use the space well.
EDIT: Our current site will be transfered there soon enough and then go through another update :P
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Gratz \'bout the site.