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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: dorbian on October 22, 2003, 11:18:41 am
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ok this has absolutely nothing to do with planeshift but it might be in the future....
http://www.againsttcpa.com/what-is-tcpa.html
i\'d like to hear your oppinions on it and what the devs think about it since it is a really big problem comming up....
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Down with it!
Is there any kind of petition to sign?
I bet Mr. Gates is laughing in his fortress at the moment..
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I remember hearing about this a few years ago.... shiiiiat now it\'s a they\'re trying to make laws to go with it though? Eeeeeeee.....
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capitalistic scumbags... all of them...
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bah, stupid american ideas, i hate them..
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As long as the laws arn\'t passed in the UK, I\'ll be ok. :D
*Grumble *Usa....Stupid....Kill Bill Gates....*Grumble*
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big friend it will not be law\'s by itself it will be all the hardware and software that will be made by the company\'s there....
so no more linux, no more open source projects....
but i doubt it will be really that big since alot of people will actually go mental on it
like me ( i will actually kill tcpa for this grrr, hello abomb )
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Shouldn\'t this be under \"Evil\" thread?
It surely does make Drachion sound as nasty as a little baby...
IMHO the whole idea is really (http://george.seven.cz/stupid.gif) and completely unacceptable.
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dorbian,
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. This is absolutely serious; they\'ve gone way too far with this secuity stuff.
[sarcasm]
But don\'t worry, I\'ll feel so much safer with Microsoft looking over my shoulder every friggin second of the day! They\'ll guard my personal information and protect me from stuff I don\'t need!
[/sarcasm]
Not to mention you can\'t run any program that\'s not authorized.
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Ah yes mister gates handling in my command....
not to mention the cash i will make.....hehehe
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Wannabe.
Anyway, why is everybody responding to this by insulting the Americans? We have an amendment in our constitution against this, and the country at a whole is not bad just because of Bill Gates and some other greedy computer people.
Also, even if these corperations have this power, using it would be suicide. Everybody would buy Macs.
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planeshift is there for mac :D ( almost )
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Originally posted by Davis
We have an amendment in our constitution against this
As much as we would love to have the word \"privacy\" mentioned in our Constitution, it still doesn\'t make an appearance. Last year in my Amercian Government class, we spent several days talking about the lack of mention of the word \"privacy\" anywhere in it; whatever privacy implied is up to to the Supreme Court. Unfortunately for us (as we also learned in class), most of them don\'t seem to understand a great deal about computers, the Internet, etc. In one of my issues of Computer Games Magazine, there was mention of a Supreme Court ruling that \"computer and video games do not convey ideas, and so are not protected by free speech.\" ;( This was later reversed, but I\'m sure you get my point.
Something like the TCPA is something that probably only advanced computer users can understand the implications of, which will be a huge problem.
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That\'s because all the justices are probably old people who belong in a nursing home, not a court room.
And if there is nothing for privacy, then we should add something.
You know, my dad has been complaining that we should move to Canadia for a while now?
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Well, this TCPA thing sounds pretty dangerous to the fundamental ideas of democracy. I mean, your constitution may not specifically say it, but you certainly have a spirit of \"everyone is entitled to privacy.\" I hope TCPA never gets passed into law.
As for moving to Canada - GREAT IDEA! :D Some of our laws are so much more sensible.
(Excluding the one that makes it illegal to wear a snake as a hat. That shouldn\'t be illegal! Let them find out the hard way!) :P
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8o
I just realised!!!! This would mean no more warez!!!! ;(
Now I\'d have to buy my stuff!!!
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warez are already illegal -_-;;
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it will be world wide if possible so canada will have to go with it to ( since it will be all hardware )
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Originally posted by Axsyrus
warez are already illegal -_-;;
lol, Duh.
But with this new thing they\'ll know u\'r doing it.
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Something being illegal doesn\'t matter if you never get caught. That\'s where the unnoficial law \"You are allowed to speed if you are late for work and there aren\'t any police around\" comes from.
You can wear multiple snakes as hats around here. 8)
And on topic, Microsoft is EVIL! I use their OS because I can\'t download Linux yet. Forgive me. ;(
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tcpa?=a means to channel my rage into acts of senceless violence ;)
i think most of my software, including winXP professional, is pirated anyway
And on topic, Microsoft is EVIL!
yep!
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http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3#586
http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/9/en/iso/i386/
http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/
everybody should just use linux!
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I signed the little petition thing. :D
I use Windows because it is, no matter how you look at it, easy to use. Sure, Microsoft is a dictatorship rather than a corporation, but the stuff they make isn\'t half bad. The thing is, they forced the world to use their products, because they want global technological control and houses made of solid gold.
That doesn\'t mean Windows sucks though. It just means that the oppression brought about by their dominating empire has planted seeds of hatred in people\'s minds, and the resulting lack of freedom and choice has spurred the rebellious into creating alternatives to the things Microsoft shove in our PCs whether we want it or not.
However, their power now is massive, and they still crave more. TCPA is a demon spawned from the gates of Hell (also known as the Microsoft Executive Office) that they plan to unleash on the world and suppress all freedom in computers.
If this becomes law, there will be chaos everywhere. Nobody is going to let this happen without a fight. They\'ll be constantly attacked by the greatest hacker groups of the world (think Fluffy Bunny and others) untill either Microsoft fall or the world blows up. Personally I think doomsday is nearer.
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Bill Gates is the ruler of an evil global empire. He is gaining power, and soon Microsoft will control the world. The governments of the world will use their products. With this power and the way they can force what they make into the world, they will take over. Get ready, because the world will never be the same after the Microsoft takeover.
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moogles post
Personally I think doomsday is nearer.
and that will be the day i wil come to the face of the earth in my true form. Bow for me and tremble.
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Well i think it sux indeed.
but i\'d also think about the world itself.
it\'s impossible to get that working in holland because we have a privacy law they will be braking so they cannot get the law to bend in their way\'s specially the privacy part.
although i still see it as a threath to the society and to open source i don\'t think it will ever succeed aslong as people sign the site and try to avoid microsoft in his plans.
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i find it entertaining... do some research, people! TCPA is a chip that secures the bios and kernel of a system at the hardware level. it acts as a defence against some types of hacks and virus\'s. Microsoft\'s world domination platform(palladium) most likely won\'t even support it, they replace it with a different chip that allows their security/domination software to run in hardware protected memory. Microsoft says that linux, etc will run on Palladium systems, but we\'ve got no guaruntee\'s(meaning :if it\'s not windows, it can go to hell) the other gripe would be Digital Rights Management - the pet project of the RIAA, that would try and secure against pirated mp3\'s and stuff. but it\'s not gonna happen, because NO ONE would buy such a system. anyways, look around, and don\'t always believe the first thing you see...
about the internet (http://www.internetisshit.org/)
TCPA paper (http://www.research.ibm.com/gsal/tcpa/tcpa_rebuttal.pdf)
just thought these might interest you zealots :D
Jessyn
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ok that looks interesting
still they did try and that clarification notice wasn\'t haning on the walls now was it.
information like this should be easy to find not hard ( tried to look for it for 10 minutes but didn\'t find anything bout it )
but still i trust them like i trust my food crispy and fried
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Originally posted by Jessyn
i find it entertaining... do some research, people! TCPA is a chip that secures the bios and kernel of a system at the hardware level. it acts as a defence against some types of hacks and virus\'s. Microsoft\'s world domination platform(palladium) most likely won\'t even support it, they replace it with a different chip that allows their security/domination software to run in hardware protected memory. Microsoft says that linux, etc will run on Palladium systems, but we\'ve got no guaruntee\'s(meaning :if it\'s not windows, it can go to hell) the other gripe would be Digital Rights Management - the pet project of the RIAA, that would try and secure against pirated mp3\'s and stuff. but it\'s not gonna happen, because NO ONE would buy such a system. anyways, look around, and don\'t always believe the first thing you see...
about the internet (http://www.internetisshit.org/)
TCPA paper (http://www.research.ibm.com/gsal/tcpa/tcpa_rebuttal.pdf)
just thought these might interest you zealots :D
Jessyn
Exactly! The thing about this sort of hardware solution is that someone out there will offer an alternative. That is capitalism at work. you don\'t like Palladium? dont buy palladium hardware. Linux and mac will run on non palladium systems and software like this game will drive consumer interest in Open source software like Linux. Microsoft is on a trend that indicates a certain lack of understanding about the market. Savvy computer users are more and more learning that MS is not the only solution and that Open source doesn\'t have to be a mysterious realm for the thechno geek only. They will drive away customers with this policy and like all seeming monopolies in a free market, they will lose market share to a competitor.
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Let us insult Microsoft in peace ok? :P
Anyway, this is my opinion:
MICROSOFT IS EVIL POWER TO THE GREAT LINUX PENGUIN GOD
Anyway, some people are missing the point. The requirement for this to be integrated into systems is going to be passed into US law. This is a violation of capitalism, but the Constitution never mentioned capitalism.
How to not belive loads of crap:
If something is hard to believe, then there is osmething you don\'t know.
This TCPA article is hiding something. But Microsoft is still evil.
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Yes, I\'ve known about the CBDPTA for some time, and it infuriates me. EVERYONE should read the Philosphy section on http://www.gnu.org, you\'ll understand the logic of copylefting, the GPL, privacy, \"security\", everything about Free Software.
Lawmakers truly don\'t understand computing, laws they consider just are infact unjust. I hope that very soon people that truly understand are elected where they need to be, to protect our freedoms and privacy. The CBDPTA restricts the right to make and use Free Software, one of the least understood concepts, and possibly most frightening to large computer companies. Free Software has no analogue in our physical world.
Did you hear that Microsoft has coded a backdoor that allows the NSA to insall spyware on your computer, and has been there since Windows 95? Did you hear that another NSA backdoor was added in Windows 2000, one not know to even the top crypto programmers at Microsoft? Did you know that as a means to allow Lotus Notes\' 128-bit encryption to be exported, Lotus implemented a means for the NSA to quickly decrupt Lotus Notes\' messages?
Fear the government that doesn\'t understand the world it exists in.
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Bow before the great Linux Penguin God. Shun the Microsoft corruption that has spread to you and embrace the open-source light!
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i would question the backdoors in windows. No, i\'m not questioning that they are there, chances are there are dozens, but that the NSA could use them, c\'mon now? I write backdoors into almost everything i code, a lot of programmers do, but they RARELY tell anyone about them(specifics, i mean) anyway...
I look forward to the day when microsoft pushes too far, and discovers just how hard the world can push back.
Jessyn
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Originally posted by Jessyn
I write backdoors into almost everything i code, a lot of programmers do, but they RARELY tell anyone about them(specifics, i mean) anyway...
According to the article I read, they never told anyone. Someone disassembled a particular DLL (Something to do with Security Certificates, I believe), and found a key. In a Service Pack, Microsoft failed to strip the debugging symbols and the unidentified key was labeled as \"NSAKEY\". Here\'s the article: http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/te/5263/1.html