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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Princess Aelya on November 01, 2003, 10:03:51 pm
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The dark empire is re-awakening as of today. I am going to start advertising again and return to these boards more often.
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wheee, the princess is back
welcome back Aelya :D
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Fear the Dark Empire, we have returned and are accepting souls at a reasonable price.
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Finally an evil guild besides Cabal...
Anyway, like the whole Dark Alliance leaders are back!
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Hey Aelya good to have you back. :)
How has your UO shard been?
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Originally posted by Davis
Finally an evil guild besides Cabal...
heh, yea... Cabal is getting really boring :P
good luck getting back on roll! :))
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Great to see you Aelya! Welcome home :D
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yay yay yay ... MY ALLIES ARE BACK.FEAR US! hehe
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Wow. Aelya and Kada in same day....
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my UO shard is going well, thanks. Its actually online now. I am having a nice time staffing on it. Although we really need more players. But anyway, glad to be back :)
And hello kada. I look forwqard to getting back to your forums to.
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Hey Aelya! Nice to see you again, good luck with reopening your guild :)
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Yay, so I can return DE to the list of active guilds again :)
Never thought I\'d be so happy to see the re-emergence of an evil guild, may you quickly gather your former strength ;)
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Woohoo. I was gonna remind you of that too. We look so sad and lonely all the way at the bottom of the list...
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hmm... looks like as if there was a line between old players and new ones...
Sounds weird that a neutral guild can welcome an evil guild just because they are both \'old guilds\' :/
bah... after all this has not so much weight. In one year, i will be an old member, whining about armies of newbies coming 8)
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Yeaaah Princess Aelya !
It\'s good to see a bit of evil over there ... I was feeling lonely :D
I wish all the luck, the souls and the blood the Dark Empire needs to grow again !
*cuts a good aligned Priest\'s throat to celebrate Aelya\'s come back.
PS: Davis, you forgot us with the evil ones... But i won\'t take your life. This time it\'s ok.
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Oops...
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Well Well Well,
I get into OI and DE comes back in the some week.
What a coincidence...
Wanna fight over me :D
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clover, you really didnt think we were gone for good did ya? come back to us. dark powers beckon you 8)
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O Most Gracious lady,
Let me again reaffirm the Cabal\'s allegiance to you. However insignificant we might be, we will remain your humble servants madam if you grace us by considering us for the same. We plead that you take a kind view of us regardless of what our enemies try to tell you.
Your humble servant
Auran
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haha thats right, bow down before those stronger than you, weakling, Im glad you\'re starting to realize that you aren\'t the ruler of htis land LOL!
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Most certainly not the ruler. Just a humble servant of Her Highness the Princess.
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hey Auran, how is that backstab attack coming along anyway? ;)
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Welcome back Aelya :)
I don\'t really remember you and you most certainly don\'t remember me ;)
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Auran\'s quite original for an evil mastermind... although the sucking up part isn\'t very original, still ambitious people seldom tend to offer allegiance so soon..
I like your sig Aendar, looks cooler than the other one...
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Hehe Xalthar, you can fight a guild by many ways. Remember Othello. ;)
But you probably already know what i mean since you are in the Cabal private circles ;)
Sorry for revealing your plan but i can\'t restrict myself from trying to protect a poor evil guild that don\'t know the Cabal corrupting power :D
I like your sig Aendar, looks a cooler than the other one...
It\'s not really the same style...
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Wow your actualy honast about your members list (unlike someone *4nn4h* >.>)
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I like your sig Aendar, looks a cooler than the other one...
Well seeing as I am back to being the Archmage of The Dark Empire, I had better get me evil sig back up. I like the other one too though.[/COLOR]
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and what was your \"other sig\" if i may ask?
and speaking of sigs...I believe ill be needing a host for mine. But I cant seem to find any good hosts...that are free :P
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Originally posted by Princess Aelya
and what was your \"other sig\" if i may ask?
and speaking of sigs...I believe ill be needing a host for mine. But I cant seem to find any good hosts...that are free :P
http://www.hostmysig.com is pretty good for being free.
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thanks a bunch.
edit: ok small tiny teeny problem...i cant go to my image manager for some reason. i KNOW i was logged in when i clicked the links. it just said i wasnt logged in and wasnt authorized to view that page. is this one of those sites that functions off your computers cookie settings? if so its not gonna work for me. my cookies are always off and they wont turn on. and yes i know how to turn them on. they just dont. dont know why.
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hostmysig is back horay!
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Do you use any sort of filter?
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nope
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Originally posted by Princess Aelya
thanks a bunch.
edit: ok small tiny teeny problem...i cant go to my image manager for some reason. i KNOW i was logged in when i clicked the links. it just said i wasnt logged in and wasnt authorized to view that page. is this one of those sites that functions off your computers cookie settings? if so its not gonna work for me. my cookies are always off and they wont turn on. and yes i know how to turn them on. they just dont. dont know why.
Hmm...Are you on Window$? If so, you may need to reinstall (or just install another browser). You may also want to check to see if your temporary internet files folder size cap is too low.
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http://www.opera.com best browser there is.
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Aelya send the pic to me, I\'ll host it for ya.
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http://www.sighost.us is one i use and its free...haven\'t had as many troubles as with mysighost.
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Originally posted by elscouta
But you probably already know what i mean since you are in the Cabal private circles ;)
Sorry for revealing your plan but i can\'t restrict myself from trying to protect a poor evil guild that don\'t know the Cabal corrupting power :D
Huh? Don\'t understand? Even if Xalthar was spy, he isn\'t exactly a high ranked member. Quite the opposite.
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On the contrary brother Xordan I believe Elscouta is supporting us. Am I not right Elsy baby?(:P
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hum... even if you are right, that\'s dont allow you to call me Elsy Baby. I will learn you to know my full name and to fear it. :P
Xordan: i never said Xalthar was a spy... I said that maybe i was revealing something he already know (but maybe as you said, he is not enough ranked to know your evil plans).
Auran: i don\'t support the Cabal. I was trying to help the Dark Empire to not fall too early in your power. There\'s no fun if you destroy all evil guilds as soon as they was created or respawned. :D
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Seperot you worm ... HOW MANY TIMES I have to tell you. You are a new guy, so you don\'t know most of the BO members. I admit, some of them are inactive, and others just don\'t want to come, yet ... like Kulok, Ghost, Raven etc. (they all work at Mortik with me ... )
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Originally posted by elscouta
Auran: i don\'t support the Cabal. I was trying to help the Dark Empire to not fall too early in your power. There\'s no fun if you destroy all evil guilds as soon as they was created or respawned. :D
I did not need help with that. I am not so foolish as to believe them when they say \"we are now your humble servants. even though we have no idea who you are, or what your guild is even about.\"
I put the last part in there :P that may as well been what he said.
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ah yes mortik **laughs in the backround**
anyways annah THERE INACTIVE thats the point you have next to no ACTIVE members meaing you are realy a weak fool who is gald to have someone who seems to have guild leader skills. so do as most guilds do and show an acurate members list
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There is no possible way to have an accurate members list in Planeshift, people leave and come back daily...as long as their in contact with the guild leader (meaning that he/she would be able to get a hold of them) then they are active.
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Very true. Exactly what makes a member active? Because these forums are not the game and the game itself isn\'t even beta yet and many people can\'t get on to it. So how can you have inactive members?
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well DE\'s activivity policy is that in order to remain active, you must have made contact with the guild leader at least once every 3 weeks. be it by email,messanger, forums, whatever. I think it depends on the activity policy of the guild.
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well concedring some of the members on annahs list have been gone a long time.
for starts he lists that he stillis allies with hellsing
i mean look at there list 3 of them i seen before
its fine if that reappear but to list people that are long gone its just sad clinging to the past like that
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Like I said seperot, you do not know if Annah talks to these people...neither do I, but just because you have never heard of them (I could go through the list of your guild and pick out who I\'ve never heard of) does not mean Annah does not speak to them at all.
Besides, even if they were long gone it is not Annah\'s fault they did not tell him they were leaving, which I\'m sure he would remove them then.
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Originally posted by Kiern
Like I said seperot, you do not know if Annah talks to these people
ah how can ye be sure ;)
Besides, even if they were long gone it is not Annah\'s fault they did not tell him they were leaving, which I\'m sure he would remove them then.
well surely there should be some sort of inactive policy
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That is true, but I don\'t see why that is so important. If people are really stupid enough to join a guild because the memberlist is bigger and they can\'t see that some/most of those are not around, do you really want them in yours?
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its just the boasting that gets me not the new members joining. the \"we are a all powerfull guild with loads of members\" thing where they realy dont just gets right up my back
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welcome back aelya, good to see some evil returning to our world, for without light, there is no shadow, and without shadow, what is light?
Jessyn
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Originally posted by seperot
ah yes mortik **laughs in the backround**
*laughs with him*
Seperot
to list people that are long gone its just sad clinging to the past like that
yea.... just yea thats sad...
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I am a new player to the world of Planeshift. My name is Dark Angel as you can see. I am interested in joining the Dark Empire. I have sent my registration application from your website. I hope to join your cause soon and help you to crush the worms of light.
[Edit} I just read on your forums that you recruit through invitation only, I know noone in the Planeshift world as of yet. So I supposse I won\'t be able to join your great guild.
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Originally posted by Dark_Angel
I am a new player to the world of Planeshift. My name is Dark Angel as you can see. I am interested in joining the Dark Empire. I have sent my registration application from your website. I hope to join your cause soon and help you to crush the worms of light.
Oh yeah. Uh huh. Suuure. Hmmm. :rolleyes: We aaaaall believe you. You just happen to be totally new, use perfect grammar, and somehow have managed to find and want to join one of the most powerful guilds in the community, without asking 1 stupid question. You EVEN filled out their registration form! 8o
Boy am I going to feel stupid when someone tells me this guy is a Cabali spy... but hell. We shouldn\'t be that obvious in the first place so who cares. :P
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It\'s actually called doing research. I am familiar with MMORPG\'s and if all new people that played these type of games would read about them, there would be no stupid questions.
(As for the proper grammar, it is habit from school.)
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It is a commonly used proverb in planeshift.
\"Be wary of knowledged newbies who ask not questions, they may be your doom\"
But then again, I read the user\'s guide and I turned out fine. :P (not that it says much worthwhile)
I haven\'t been able to shake the habit of(semi) good grammar either, unfortunately, what evil institutions schools are. :D:P
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I like Angel\'s style. Cool when confronted with seemingly-blatant facts and accusations. :D You could be useful to us... PM me if you\'re interested in dealing with chaos. I assure you the rewards will be worth it. ;)
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This may end my era of non-stupid questions but, why is that a proverb around here? In most games that would be a God-send. A new person that wants to join your guild that already knows how to play the game. It sounds better than having some stupid noobie want to join that asks a gazillion dumb questions.
[Edit} Adrift: I shall wait to see the Dark Empire\'s decission. Depending on what they decide, I might consider the Cabal.
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It is taken as a fact that 97.3% of newbies here are clumsy idiots. The others stay and learn, eventually becoming midbies.
The people here are rather nice actually. *Glares at Savion* However, when dealing with the darker elements of this \"world\" you may encounter such things...
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Originally posted by Monketh
The people here are rather nice actually. *Glares at Savion* However, when dealing with the darker elements of this \"world\" you may encounter such things...
I have seen this through my ventures of these vast forums :D. However, I have also seen that people are touchy with their forums and that if we don\'t quiet down, the Dark Empire may have something to say about it :).
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HA! all i see in this new guy is a newb who has taken the wrong path down a lonley road wanting to joni such a pathetic guild, but im tired, ill leave ya alone for today...
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Whoooa Tranor! Whooooa.
You must make Psychylogical arguments, convincing him beyond a reasonable doubt which path is correct. We may know but he does not. Telling him in plain speech will push him down the wrong one.
Get some rest pal.
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Monketh, I am amussed by your jumpiness about your guild members. I am not offended by his remarks. They are his opinion, whether they change my mind or not is my choice. (They haven\'t by the way.) But Monketh, let him speak his mind. :)
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well, i cant say ive evre hda that respsone back form one of my posts...
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And I can\'t say I\'ve ever seen spelling that bad. :P You know, maybe this guy isn\'t a faker after all. Sorry I thought you was, Angel. You\'re a rare breed around here.
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Sorry Tranor, I need some sleep too.
Anywho, Have fun Dark! :D
Edit: I dunno about that Adrift, my brother Nanuke has him beaten easy. :D XD (If I could get him to return to PS ;))
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Adrift: I am rare huh? I suppose Dark Empire may consider letting me join then. ;)
Monketh: If I\'m not confused by his outrageous amount of mispelled words, he was replying that noone had ever responded to his posts like I did. But, I may be confused.
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I\'m curious Dark Angel, what interests you in the Dark Empire? Like, I mean, just because it is evil?
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Well, no offense to any other dark/evil guilds, but the Dark Empire seems the most promising to me and seems to me that it will be the strongest in the future. (Not that it isn\'t now.) I just have a felling that it is my destiny to join them. It seems right for me to join them, I have a calling i guess you could say. I did much research on all the evil guilds. It\'s simple I like this one the best.
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First off, Dark no offense but you won\'t be invited to join the DE any time soon. Yes, we are the best guild around. :] But our recruitment procedures are very specific and not anyone gets in just like that.
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Ok. So i supposse my request to join has been denied. Just a word of warning, your guild will not strive as much as it could if you were less uptight. I\'m not saying that you should make it easy to get into your guild. But you should at least consider people for your guild who are interested in joining as much as I am before ruling out the possibility of them joining. I am dissapointed in your decission, but good luck with your guild.
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Who would join a bunch of sour-pusses such as DE? :rolleyes: :P:P:P
That is, if they are the ones you are refering to... you never know :P
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dark angel: we strongly believe in the saying \"quality over quantity\". You might still get invited...but we would be looking for certain...standards that have been set. we cannot tell you these standards.
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If i told everyone the standards. spies/untrustworthy people would know how to get in :P
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If you said the standards, non-spies and trustworthy people would know how to get in your guild too.
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well, they have to meet the standards, but there are no standards :P
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actually a few people have been recruited. and it is better to know they are trustworthy then to wonder about their loyalty.
dark angel: yes that is true. the two sides conflict with each other. but i also believe in the saying \"better safe than sorry\"
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Draklar: You have been playing for a VERY long time it seems from the information I have gathered off the forums. So i guess I\'ll have to play about a year before i\'m considered for your guild huh?
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cant say dark. its a seeeecret :P
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Originally posted by Dark_Angel
Draklar: You have been playing for a VERY long time it seems from the information I have gathered off the forums. So i guess I\'ll have to play about a year before i\'m considered for your guild huh?
heh... i\'m not an oldbie yet :P
6 months behind me for now...
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Perhaps instead of arguing or whining about the decision you could try harder to find out what you could be doing differently? Good things come to those who wait. The Princess has one thing that can always be said about her guild: every single member in it is completely trustworthy. If you are willing to so easily give up on the guild then you have made the decision for her, no?
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You answered that question yourself, no, no? I still would enjoy being in her hignesses guild, but I cannot change my ways if I do not know how to change them to please her. And did I ever \"whine\"?
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but the forum joining date doesn\'t vount for playing with everybody.
like me when i started out was bout 3 months before i joined the forum i\'f me is right and after joining the forum i wasn\'t even here all the time.
but i am here since may so can i join :P
i\'m a trustworhty ranger
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*ignores dorbians silly post :P*
do not think about it dark. most people will meet the standards without even realising it :)
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I see. So iI suppose I will just hang around these forums until you decide to consider me.
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Dark Angel, what did you expect? You did your research you say, and when it says \"invite-only\" I think that pretty much says it...but good for you for not getting too pissed off about it :P
Originally posted by Yarulion
The Princess has one thing that can always be said about her guild: every single member in it is completely trustworthy.
meh
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meh? thats it? hehe.
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Originally posted by Dark_Angel
You answered that question yourself, no, no? I still would enjoy being in her hignesses guild, but I cannot change my ways if I do not know how to change them to please her. And did I ever \"whine\"?
You proved my point inadvertently. You are still willing to fight for membership. You have the passion, and that is all you need. If Aelya sees the right qualities in you, she will invite you, and you can do nothing to help your case but show your fire and prove your worth by keeping active, staying smart, and avoiding doing stupid things (read: I wouldn\'t strike up relationships with, say, Cabali, in the meantime. Just a hint :P ).
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I see Yarrulion. Sorry humble servants of the dark, my absence from the forums have been because I have been grounded. I did not want any of you to think that I had gone away. I am still hoping to join your great guild, just to let you know.
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This \'selective\' recruiting seems a good idear but a little flawed to me.
The best guild on the previous mmorpg i played(of which i was and still am a member) in the period of one week has fallen into a state of disrepear due to their selective member standards.
They like you followed the darkpath which worked for a while, but eventualy their power over evrything else led them to become a neutral guild.
Selective recruitment is ok when evrything is working fine, but as soon as something changes and tilts the balance of members, its sets a chain of...\'reaction\' to tired to think of a more relative word..and the whole basis of the guild breaks and leaves a mess of a once powerful guild.
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not to brag, but they must have been pretty poor leaders to allow their guilds to become that way. didnt they realise they needed to make changes when their guild started to fail? Rest assured if the need should arise I will make changes to keep my guild going.
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Their guilds downfall happened almost overnight,by then it was too late,once a persons mind is made up that they must leave the only guild they have ever been in, in their year long time on the server, its pretty hard to change it. They are recovering, but it will never be the same again.No guild can go on forever, and their time was very long, they saw every other guild fall due to the coruption of power, very few guilds will survive and they were one of the very few, but even their guild had to change sumtime.
itw as actualy the changes to keep the guild going which caused the entire thing, bcoz of selective recruitment the old members didnt like it when lots of new ppl replaced those that ahd left.
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so you\'re saying that since it happened to one guild, it\'ll happen to all selective recruitment guilds? :P
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I think the problem with selective recruitment is that the guild becomes stangnent, frozen in time. Without new members there are no new ideas, no new points of view. And so, eventually people become bored, activity grinds to a halt and you end up with an inactive guild.
Which is why you chose The Mercenary Guild right Windra ;) ? There is plenty of new blood, and the guild is always adapting and changing according to its members suggestions and discussions :D . And because there are always new members, there is always new ideas.
Having said all of that, there is still advantages to selective recruitment;
1. People view the guild as an elite, because members are handpicked.
2. People seem to like the idea being let into a closed off elite. If they have to be \"selected\" it makes them feel special, chosen.
3. You get a much better idea of who you are letting into your guild.
In The Mercenary Guild\'s case the \"closed off elite\" is the highest ranks; requiring a great deal of loyalty and commitment to acquire. And the \"knowing who you are letting in\" thing doesnt apply so much; as mercenaries we have very little to hide. And only the very highest ranks; the ones who are \"selected\" or \"chosen\", will know of any secrets we do have.
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I aggree with windra point (and Zephyrus big extra)
the way OI has it may be a way forward where any member can nominate a new member into the guild (if thats wrong correct me)
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Almost sep, any Council member (not just any member) can nominate a new member, then it goes for majority over the rest of the council...that will probably change once we get bigger though, we\'ll see.
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Zeph: Just because we don\'t allow everyone in doesn\'t mean things don\'t happen. New ideas still happen. And at this point in PS there really is nothing you can do except talk on forums or IRC.
But Selective Membership works for us. We allow only those worthy. Why should we allow some guy who knows nothing about PS, isn\'t evil, and will probably leave in a week to join?
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Originally posted by Zephyrus
I think the problem with selective recruitment is that the guild becomes stangnent, frozen in time. Without new members there are no new ideas, no new points of view.
ehhh it doesn\'t have to be that way...
Sep: do you even know what is DE\'s way? :P
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
Zeph: Just because we don\'t allow everyone in doesn\'t mean things don\'t happen. New ideas still happen. And at this point in PS there really is nothing you can do except talk on forums or IRC.
But Selective Membership works for us. We allow only those worthy. Why should we allow some guy who knows nothing about PS, isn\'t evil, and will probably leave in a week to join?
I guess I am not saying new ideas wont still happen. They are just more likely to be brought about with a new point of view, which a new member inevitably brings. But Drakler is right; it doesn?t have to be that way. I guess I am just being biased; I personally find guild life most interesting when there is an influx of new members, when the guild is constantly changing and evolving. It usually leads to new discussions and debates.
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Well one thing that tends to happen when there are only a few selected members is friendship and loyalty are much deeper. You know you can trust people when they are actually recruited into a guild rather than anyone being allowed in.
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Well everything depends on guild
constantly changing and evolving is good for chaotic one, but lawful is rather about stability.
And strongly about loyality, so like Aendar said.
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I guess this may be true, but our guild forums are a very friendly place; we have discussions about empanadas and everything :D
But seriously I think in the case of The Mercenary Guild those who stay long enough and show loyalty will reach higher ranks, be more trusted and will make friends with their brothers.
If a guild is being selective, then I imagine friendship may in fact grow slower; selectiveness may breed a fairly snobby attitude, which causes distrust and arrogance. Again this is not necessarily what will happen, just a maybe.
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well snobby...
only to those that aren\'t members, no? :P
inside everything should work just fine.
it\'s like elven community: snobby to lesser beings, but friendly to other elves ;)
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I am not sure... I just have this feeling in a selective community, oldbies will resent the newbies. Mostly because the point of being selective is distrust of strangers, distrust is a mild form of paranoia. And so I think even the \"selected\" newbies will be distrusted for a long while. But feel free to prove me wrong.
I am going to bed now anyway (school tomorrow ;( ).
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of coruse i know.
i whouldnt be good at what i do if i dont gather info like a demented magpie now whould i?
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Well oldies do hate newbies....ask any of us. They are inferioir and do not deserve to live. They should be herded together in a big pasture and the oldies should use them for target practice. They do not deserve even that. They should be cut up into little pieces and fed to pigs.
:D
But that\'s just how I feel...
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always with the pigs. are you a fanatic of the film snatch or just like that idea?
anyways i have to ask when is a newbie not a newbie
there has to be some transition point for all this
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well i\'m not sure how much of newbie recruiting will be here...
other thing about midbies...
err... you don\'t hate midbies, Aendar... right? :/
Sep: lol no you don\'t know :P
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As far as I am concerned if you have not been here for at least a month then you are a newbie. If you\'ve been here for longer then that I just hate you for being allowed to live that long.
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And how whould you know draklar you still get tricked by auran so god only knows how you think you know.
As far as I am concerned if you have not been here for at least a month then you are a newbie. If you\'ve been here for longer then that I just hate you for being allowed to live that long.
thats nice...in its strange and mildly disturbing way
not that im botherd anyways i was just intrsted on the classing of it
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There are a few select \'mid-bies\' that I like, but a majority of the PS community now I hate. And that is not a joke or an exaggeration...
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Originally posted by seperot
And how whould you know draklar you still get tricked by auran so god only knows how you think you know.
errr... i\'m not the one that was listening to his fancy speaches, but nevermind...
you ask how would i know? Well... maybe because it isn\'t possible there\'s spy in DE... maybe because of what you said earlier :D
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DE Forum Not a member of the DE? Read this before posting.
? on: Nov 8th, 2003, 8:09am ?
Currently the guild is invite only, for security reasons. How do you get invited? Well, I cant tell you
duhhhhhhhhh
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If we told people how they get recruited then they could just \'pretend\' to fit our standards. But if they don\'t know then when we see someone meet the standards we know it\'s for real.
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well in-game community is much better.
and i hope i\'m one of that selected :P
Sep: grats, you discovered DE is invite-only. But i was refering to that: \"the way OI has...\" :P
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well the other part is fairly obvius from you recruting draklar admitlely i hate him but he has good lawfull values so thats an easy start you say he has a strong mind so thats an other one your hate for newbies is another evil but smart..e.c.t.
its all in what you have already poasted anyone can piece that together
drak: all i sayed was that oi has a voteing system and saying it was a way forward for choosin guilds where did i say Mebbie DE should try this? humm?
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Well the DE is somewhat the same. Usually Aelya and I pick out someone we think is worthy, but ultimately she has the final decision. But member\'s opinion\'s do count, if they think someone should be allowed in we will look into it and make our decision. The only difeerence is Aelya is the deciding factor.
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ohhhh.... heh, sorry Sep, i thought you were saying that on-topic and not in general :P
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**sigh** no prob (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fondecrans/Smileys(+gifs)/sm128.gif)
just uhh dont jump to conclusions so quick (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fondecrans/Smileys(+gifs)/sm238.gif)
Edit: yes i found a cool smily place beware more to come
(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fondecrans/Smileys(+gifs)/sm55.gif)
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In a guild where evryone knows each other and the recruitng is very selective,the guild may have new idears supported by the members and seem to run with good efficentcy, however when someone desides to leave,somehting changes in the guild/or when many people become inactive \'new blood\' is needed in a guild to keep its numbers up and to replace those lost.
If ur guild recruiting is selective then it will be very dificult for the guild to except new recruits because they have their set ways and any new thoughts and idears of the new ppl will be hated and those new people will feel resented and left out,therefore causing the guild to crumble.
Guilds like yours...notice the like, im not saying that this will necesarily happen to you...get all powerful and look down on evryone else, this usualy in my experience causes alot of problems for guilds, especialy if they have great power, members within the guild want higher ranks and the power they have turns against them, and again the guild fails.
On a diferent subject...why are new ppl hated so much? i havnt been here for a month, not even 2 weeks yet, but i dont feel like a little n00b. ok so i asked a few lil questions about the stability of the game...but doesnt everyone?
@zeph lol yea thats y i joined, an i never got the awnser to my empanadas question :(...btw whereve u been? havnt seen u on msn for a few days.
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Originally posted by Windra
In a guild where evryone knows each other and the recruitng is very selective,the guild may have new idears supported by the members and seem to run with good efficentcy, however when someone desides to leave,somehting changes in the guild/or when many people become inactive \'new blood\' is needed in a guild to keep its numbers up and to replace those lost.
If ur guild recruiting is selective then it will be very dificult for the guild to except new recruits because they have their set ways and any new thoughts and idears of the new ppl will be hated and those new people will feel resented and left out,therefore causing the guild to crumble.
New blood is always needed, but it is hard to keep the guild\'s beliefs and spirit when there is too much of it. Also, like it has been said before, some guilds are according more importance to quality over quantity. One new quality member that agrees with the guild\'s principles is far more interesting and will be more motivated than 10 or 20 random people. It takes more time to evaluate, but on the bottom line it\'s worth every second spent on it.
Being selective doesn\'t mean static, or closed to the external world either. We have contacts with people we trust in other guilds and are constantly exchanging ideas with them, as well as with potential recruits we are discussing with. So we don\'t lack feedback.
New members are certainly not hated, since (in our case, but I\'m sure it\'s the case for others too) they have been accepted after a long process which ends with a vote at the Council level. Which doesn\'t mean people at the other levels are not listened to, the structure has been designed so that anyone has the right to speak ;)
Guilds like yours...notice the like, im not saying that this will necesarily happen to you...get all powerful and look down on evryone else, this usualy in my experience causes alot of problems for guilds, especialy if they have great power, members within the guild want higher ranks and the power they have turns against them, and again the guild fails.
I\'m not sure about what you mean by looking down. In their case, it\'s part of their identity, plus they have to be cautious.
Fights over ranks can happen in any guild. From what I\'ve seen here, selective guilds have less problems with that. Big guilds with many people who don\'t know each other and care less about their guild split, have spin-offs or find some of their frustrated members being in several guilds. Finally most of them just collapse.
On a diferent subject...why are new ppl hated so much? i havnt been here for a month, not even 2 weeks yet, but i dont feel like a little n00b. ok so i asked a few lil questions about the stability of the game...but doesnt everyone?
I don\'t think they are hated, not at the ooc level in any case. Of course, I\'ve seen some people taking pleasure in making them looking ridiculous, especially in-game (I think they know who they are, and I do pity them). But usually they are well accepted and helped.
The problem is that we are used to answer the same questions thousands of times, and in most cases it is fruitless since the person will just say it\'s crap and not come back. It would be appreciated if they were looking for the answers by themselves, that\'s why sometimes, someone can get a little nervous at questions. But we know it\'s part of the game and just have to accept it.
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Originally posted by Windra
members within the guild want higher ranks and the power they have turns against them, and again the guild fails.
Depends on guild\'s structure. Like in DE, except for empress and sub-leaders, everyone are on same level.
So this problem shouldn\'t occur in the Dark Empire.
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Or the Rangers. :D
It will happen when guilds will want be official. Then they\'ll have to have 9 levels of hieararchy... and things could happen. :rolleyes:
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lupo there are ways around the 9 lvl hieararchy ;)
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Originally posted by lynx_lupo
It will happen when guilds will want be official. Then they\'ll have to have 9 levels of hieararchy
All Guilds must respect these rules to be elegible to become official:
- The Guild must have an unique named leader.
The leader must send to PlaneShift Team his real name, country and a valid e-mail. If he wants, his identity can remain unknown to other players.
The guild must have at least 10 members, including leader.
The leader is responsible for the actions of the members of his guild; if one of them goes against the rules of PlaneShift, the leader must immediately remove him from the guild.
The leader cannot be a member of the PlaneShift Development Team. This will prevent unfair advantages between guilds.
The Guild must have a web page that states scope, beliefs, members, etc...[/list][/size]
hehe... no such rule :P
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Guilds Organization The guilds should define 9 levels of hierarchy. Level 9 is the leader, other levels need to be defined by the guild leader. To know more on how to set those levels in the game, read the first connection guide under \"Guilds Commands\".
mhhh. :P
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lol that\'s not rule to become official :P
it just says how guilds in PS are constructed :P
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I dunno. But it says guilds *should* be like it(I don\'t like it, though) and that it\'s under construction... it may become part of the upper list. We\'ll see.
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bah, this is off-topic, cut this discussion. It isn\'t mention in \"to become official\" list so it\'s not rule to become official.
It more likely means: there are 9 lvl slots to fill, 9 lvl is leader, leader sets other ranks.
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I need to clear something up...there is NOTHING wrong with newbies. Only n00bies deserve to die :P if new blood is required then so it will be...But they will NOT be discriminated against simply because they are new. That is not the way of the DE, nor will it ever be. If full co-operation is not present among the guild\'s members at all times, I wont be a very happy empress. :P there wil be no petty squabbling and fighting either, promotions will be gained by honorable means.
the difference between n00b and newb are this: a newb is a respectable,intelligent new addition to the community and not making a complete jackhole of themselves. whereas a n00b will spam, ask ridiculous questions that could have been answered by reading a sticky thread, etc. and it is the unfortunate fact that a good portion of the new players that come are n00bs.
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Things dont always work as you want them to, if they did then evrything would be perfect and we wudnt be posting about this,i hate not being able to have the last word in a discusion lol so this post may be a little poitless...
Power can be a bigger force than you would expect,even individuals of the highest \'standards\' may not be who they seem, power has the tendency to corrupt individuals. If your guild is as big as ppl make it sound, when the game is further developed and you are the \'all powerful\' guild in planeshift, even if you think that it wont happen,or lrt it happen, there is still a great possibility that it will go to members heads and as i stated above, the guild could be destroyed from the inside.
*edit* just noticed im not a \'cool newbie\' anymore :D
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Originally posted by Windra
there is still a great possibility that it will go to members heads and as i stated above, the guild could be destroyed from the inside.
*looks above*
well...
if someone is accepted into guild, i don\'t think any of the older members will behave like that.
DE structure prevents fighting over ranks.
there :]
Edit: just to point out that Aelya thought about that already: :P
Originally posted by Princess Aelya
7. We believe all members are to be treated with respect. I am VERY strict on this, as failure would result in a collapsing guild.
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hehe... i was reading some of the oldest threads in here and found the Elven Order one...
so Aendar was good as well? :P
i guess the Dark Empire is good at freeing people from the chains of light :D
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Ah yes the Elven Order. Yes at one time I was good, but trust me those days are over.
ok so i asked a few lil questions about the stability of the game...but doesnt everyone?
That\'s the whole point. Newbies come on here and start asking questions that a hundred people before them have already asked. A little reading would show them that. Hell there is even a thread for a newbie FAQ, but still they ask questions elsewhere.
And it\'s these damned newbies that come on and start complaining about how bad the graphics are or where they can find monsters, because they were to damn lazy to realize that it is a pre-alpha game.[/COLOR]
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How are you going to cope with cb Aendar? the newbie counter will easly be X2 what it is now more questions will arise about everything and the n00bs will hang around longer
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Ohh don\'t we just all love this Runesscape 2, which PlaneShift has turned into? :D
Aendar - I remember back when you were a goody guy... It was fun. :)
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Originally posted by seperot
How are you going to cope with cb Aendar? the newbie counter will easly be X2 what it is now more questions will arise about everything and the n00bs will hang around longer
you are forgetting there will be more areas. Currently there\'s only one city, so you can hear every single n00b shouting n00b questions. But in CB you\'ll move away from starting (aka newb) city and i think it\'ll get better ;)
and as for the forums, since there will be actually something to do in-game, i think less of them will be hanging around :P
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The way /shout works may change, I think you\'re right. Remember when /say was heard everywhere ? The normal evolution would be ranged /shout.
Hehe, wouldn\'t it be an idea to spawn people on another training area the first time, with a few teacher NPCs around ? ;)
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Originally posted by CadRipper
Remember when /say was heard everywhere ?
I know there was something like that, but before i joined :P
hey, let\'s call one of those NPCs \'Moogie\' :D
also for those most annoying n00bs there\'s always /ignore command :P
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Hey! :P
You won\'t need an NPC. I\'ll be there in CB 24/6 when it arrives. :D
(Yes, 24/6... I\'ll spend all day on Mondays asleep, hehe.)
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i fink a moogie NPC whould be cool :P
\"what do i do?\"
\"sorry i must have dust in my ears\"
\"what do i do?!?\"
\"sorry i have dust in my ears\"
\"this is stupid\"
\"then go away!\"
:P
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Hehe. Quite funny Seperot, I believe that would be rather funny to see Moogie say that in-game.
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Originally posted by Draklar
also for those most annoying n00bs there\'s always /ignore command :P
That\'s the vicious part, since they are newbies, you would be spending all your time adding to your /ignore list :D
In fact, it should be an /accept command for you ;)
Originally posted by Mogura
You won\'t need an NPC. I\'ll be there in CB 24/6 when it arrives.
(Yes, 24/6... I\'ll spend all day on Mondays asleep, hehe.)
Ouch, then I wouldn\'t advise newbies to ask questions on sunday night :P
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I\'m not really getting this..
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Originally posted by ~Kihmari~
haha thats right, bow down before those stronger than you, weakling, Im glad you\'re starting to realize that you aren\'t the ruler of htis land LOL!
Oh really? I\'ll bet your glad you\'ll be in the Nine Realms of Satan soon enough X(. And bow to those stronger than you? Ha. Pathetic. You can\'t even spell \"
this\" right. :]
P.S. I might be a little aggresive,but this taunting other guilds gets on my nerves easily.
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Originally posted by \"Proud Member of the Cabal\"
this taunting other guilds gets on my nerves easily.
:P
anyway, few questions:
why do you say he can\'t spell even tho he just made one typo?
what does it have to do with \"bow down before those stronger than you\"?
Should I understand there\'s another \"satan guy\" in cabal?
and most of all... why were we talking about Mogs here? XD
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Originally posted by Zaknafein
Originally posted by ~Kihmari~
haha thats right, bow down before those stronger than you, weakling, Im glad you\'re starting to realize that you aren\'t the ruler of htis land LOL!
Oh really? I\'ll bet your glad you\'ll be in the Nine Realms of Satan soon enough X(. And bow to those stronger than you? Ha. Pathetic. You can\'t even spell \"
this\" right. :]
P.S. I might be a little aggresive,but this taunting other guilds gets on my nerves easily.
hey now no need to get all mad at Tranor\\Kihmari. sure his limbs are short and sure he can be used very well as a football and sure he can get over exited but just remember he is a dwarf and cant help it an we will all be fine :P
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Originally posted by Zaknafein
I\'m not really getting this..
And I\'m not getting why you went through the trouble of reviving a one and a half month old thread to make a retarded comment like that.
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Hehe, well Davis ... welcome to the Planeshift realms :D
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lets create more threads to bury this thread
:);):P:]
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there\'s nothing wrong with this thread :evil:
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why was this thread even bumped? its gone completely off topic and its OLD...hmm sounds familiar :P :D This thread was over with long ago...I woulda locked this thread a long time ago...
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never lock a thread before I spam it! :P
gimpz!
(http://www.hondahookup.net/files/Smilies/spam.gif)
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Originally posted by Davis
Originally posted by Zaknafein
I\'m not really getting this..
And I\'m not getting why you went through the trouble of reviving a one and a half month old thread to make a retarded comment like that.
Thats none of your buisness.
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Originally posted by Princess Aelya
I woulda locked this thread a long time ago...
Why do you want every thread locked? Their the only ones you post in...
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ok ill repeat myself...its off topic (which means it has turned into spam) and its old news...theres no reason it shouldnt be closed.
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spam should be deleted.
Most of this thread is about our guild so locking it wouldn\'t be so good...
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I agree with locking it. It WAS about the DE, it\'s not anymore.
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Just delete the last few pages then...Mogura\'s done it before on something that wasn\'t spam so I don\'t see why she wouldn\'t do it here.
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I completely agree with Kiern ;(
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sorry I erase the txt of the thread\' I didnt saw the edit button, sometime my Internet Browser is chit. (it\'s not kind to say I\'m an idiot :P )
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wrong thread, eh? :P
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Well you see the thing is DE really doesn\'t need a thread. We\'re not recruiting so we don\'t need a recruitment thread, and any news that\'s important we can post at our own forums. So any further posts here that are about DE would only be arguing, spam, or just redundant. And this thread was only about how we were coming back. I think Drak just wants more posts. :rolleyes:
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how nice... first Annah, now Aendar...
anyway, if few pages will get deleted, I\'ll lose some of my posts, no?
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Good point Aendar, but I think most of the problem is that it should not have been allowed to go this far anyways...apparently the guild forum has different rules we don\'t know about.
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Originally posted by Kiern
apparently the guild forum has different rules we don\'t know about.
yea, spamming here is called \"socializing\"
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It seems every forum has \'different rules\' nowadays but we can go on about that all we want. But hey by continuing this convo we\'re only keeping this thread active so I\'ll leave it be.
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oups sry I replyed in the wrong thread!
sry
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heh, you say this and yet you never edited your reply.
idiot
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look at the earlier posts
idiot...
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ah, I assumed since it had to the DE it was with this thread...it would be better to edit it instead of replying again...sorry, common sense hurts me again here.