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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Draklar on November 05, 2003, 09:39:30 pm
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First of all i wanted to say that i make new Defenders thread, because from this moment some of words that have been said on first one, aren\'t truth anymore.
The reason of that is that Defenders decided to change guild\'s alignment to Lawful-Good. This will make our politics and movements slightly different.
Second, i regret to announce that we break alliance with Rangers. Main reason is that conditions of that alliance aren\'t what we are looking for anymore. We still want to stay in friendship with Rangers though.
Ok, back to good stuff.
I would like to annonce alliance between Blitzers and Defenders :)
There is also change in Defenders leadership:
Max became the leader of Guardians.
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BAH! ya chould have told me first drak but still i dident think we chould allie long ;) yea we can still be guild friends :D
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sad to see such a great alliance broken, but i think that we shall be friends for teh rest of our long days in the PS world, May Defenders and there new alliance prosper, and we shall always be at your side, through good and bad. Farewell, friends.(not really farewell, i just thought it sounded classy, and as for the mug, u guys know i love beer, so i just cudnt resist the temptation of the new icon :D)
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So is the great \'alliance of the light\' breaking apart?
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I like your sig Draklar ;) sorry to hear about your alliance though...
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Lightning fights than dies.
Thunder is a warning to its enemies.
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woohoo i know max kinda
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Originally posted by Xordan
So is the great \'alliance of the light\' breaking apart?
Notice how they didn\'t answer you. They are falling apart!
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Originally posted by Xordan
So is the great \'alliance of the light\' breaking apart?
it is the \'Light Alliance\' ;)
and i guess we still need to talk about that...
i think Mirth should decide about it\'s future :P
Xalthar: good, you know that one ;)
edit: heh, sorry Savion, didn\'t notice ya :P
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Half Pint is not a bad person. The Light alliance is not going anywhere!
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Originally posted by Dameon
Half Pint is not a bad person. The Light alliance is not going anywhere!
sure it isn\'t.
The question is what is the Light Alliance at the moment :P
Have to talk with Half-Pint about that...
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I think we should form a new alliance, Drak. Maybe a new band of guilds called the Anti-Cabal League.
Oh, wait! Silly me! We already have a list of all the active guilds in PlaneShift. Never mind :D
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Form your league. I cant wait to see how many join it. How many guilds do you think would risk an out and out with us? Let all of those who will have their leaders post here. I doubt there will be a long list.
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Originally posted by Auran
How many guilds do you think would risk an out and out with us?
All
but nevermind, Defenders wouldn\'t join it anyways...
And i said why already...
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I\'ll risk it... wait I am cabal. I hate you all!
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As i said before, Defenders changed their alignment to Lawful-Good. Here... i state the current ways of Defenders:
We will stay a brotherhood
The goal of forming brotherhood had been achieved, now... we won\'t change anything in that direction. Members of Defenders show friendship, loyality and respect to each other. It is what makes me proud to be leader of this group. I hope nothing of that will change, even in the darkest hours.
We are here to help
Our main goal is to bring light, hope and safety for all in Yliakum. We aren\'t looking for power nor wealth. If that\'s what our ways will bring, so be it. But we won\'t ever drop our goals for any of those things.
We won\'t tolerate evil
The evil plagued those lands for too long. Now is the time to stop it. With blades of our warriors, magic of our mages, we shall vanquish darkness that came upon the lands of Yliakum.
The way of a champion
The Defenders guild will always follow the way of pride and honour. We will accept warriors and mages of any race, as long as they will show neutral-good or lawful-good alignment.
Only light will be accepted
Members of Defenders aren\'t allowed to follow the path of darkness in any way. Those that show interest in the Dark Way of magic won\'t be accepted.
We have no secrets
We will follow the ways of honour and truth. We shall not have any secrets. Possible battle plans will be kept among leaders of the brotherhood. Also secrets given to us will stay secret, as we won\'t dishonor ourselfs by letting down our friends trust.
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Nothing surpasses the savionic code. It rules all.
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i just thought your guilds a band of brothers but im your ingame brother and our guilds are only friends XD
just a bit of irony there
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Originally posted by Draklar
We have no secrets
We will follow the ways of honour and truth. We shall not have any secrets. Possible battle plans will be kept among leaders of the brotherhood. Also secrets given to us will stay secret, as we won\'t dishonor ourselfs by letting down our friends trust.
You contradict yourself, Draklar. You have no secrets, and yet, your higher ranked members keep important information from their subordinates? What kind of \"no secrets\" policy is this...? Unless you mean, \"we keep no secrets from other people/guilds\"... in any case, I can see many cracks in your guild\'s defences. You will be easier for us to spread our influence with than others.
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Well i guess we will be talking about stuff like wars with our allies. And i guess we\'ll have our plans connected with those of our allies. Now read \"Also secrets given to us will stay secret\" and you might get the point :rolleyes:
And you know what? I don\'t care what \"you see\". If you do, keep that info for yourself so your opponent won\'t enhance his defence. You could use some spy training (along with the rest of Cabal) :rolleyes:
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Heh, I havn\'t told you anything. :) But it doesn\'t matter. No matter how much you may raise your defences, there will still be weaknesses through which we can seep and spread our tainted will into your minds.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Now read \"Also secrets given to us will stay secret\" and you might get the point :rolleyes:
How can u keep them secret if u have no secrets? They\'ll then be u\'r secret as well. But u don\'t have any secrets.... 8)
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I know for a fact that draklar has a very strong will. In fact, his will extends beyond his mind. It is flowing throughout his heart and his spirit. And it wouldnt surprise me if the same ran through his guild.
I could say the exact same about myself and my own people.
Anyway, your going to have a tough time, cabali :P
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*yawn* think of summin new to say. I\'ve heard that from just about every guild 10 times each.
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jehh you will have a tough time i\'ll help my bro\'s guild if he needs it :D (i hope he will do the same for me) ?(
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Yea, we keep saying it because you keep not believing it. I\'m sure everyone is yawning just as much as you are.
And you have not yet proved us wrong.
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Originally posted by Adrift
Heh, I havn\'t told you anything.
You told me you see cracks in defence, and that was too much. Good spy (or whatever) wouldn\'t show any of his secrets.
Xordan: do i have to explain everything to you? Use your own mind from time to time. I was saying Defenders have no secrets, as in guild itself don\'t have them.
If someone tells you his secret then when you reveal it, do you say you revealed your secret? You can say you share one\'s secret, but still it isn\'t your secret if it doesn\'t affect you.
and hmm... doesn\'t Cabali spam come down to
\"we will destroy you\"
\"we have plans\"
\"we have spies everywhere\"
i think you are the ones that should think of something new...
oh, and thank you for those words, Princess :)
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Originally posted by Princess Aelya
And you have not yet proved us wrong.
We Cabali are above needing to prove things to the worthless masses, least of all our opposition. Yet it would be a wise choice to assume that such things exist, but you just cannot see them... you know... like air. Air! It gets everywhere, through even the smallest of holes... and so can we.
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Fine! don\'t prove anything. But if you don\'t want to, then stop whining that we all say same things. It isn\'t our problem you know. Geez.... :rolleyes:
You seriously didn\'t get what Aelya was saying :rolleyes:
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I must say, the cabali\'s lack of self respect never ceases to amaze me. They obviously arnt wise enough to care that the entire planeshift community may one day come together to fight a common enemy.
drak, they never get what im saying :P funny how everyone else does though. Oh I nearly forgot, they are so much wiser and smarter than everyone else. And we dont see that they will corrupt everything that moves. *sarcasm*
Any fool with th will of an insect could resist the influence of cabal. Hardly qualifies as influence if you ask me.
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[sorry, thought it was Savion, but it wasn\'t. It was my superior... so nevermind. ;)]
\"They obviously arnt wise enough to care that the entire planeshift community may one day come together to fight a common enemy. \"
One day... but by then, you\'ll all be under our influence. Such a thing is highly unlikely to happen. Even if it does, though, we\'ll be ready for it.
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Originally posted by Adrift
[sorry, thought it was Savion, but it wasn\'t. It was my superior... so nevermind. ;)]
Hey, what did u write? It\'s gonna bug me now for ages.
Anyway, supposing that the whole of PS does band together, how are u gonna find us? We\'re not gonna wander round with big \'we are cabal kill us\' signs above our heads.
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I doubt there will be PK in CB...
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Yea. So how on earth can we lose? However long it takes, we will prevail.
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Through inactivity and lack of support.
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Well, there\'s no chance of inactivity within the Cabal. Crystal Blue will only serve to boost our number and potency. As for lack of support, we don\'t need it anyway!
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As I said...not many are going to abondon their old guild and join you simply because you claim your better than everyone else. It doesnt take much of a will to resist joining a group of annoying spammers. Even if my guild should crumbel (which i highly doubt, and am certain it will not be at the hands of any cabal), I myself would never stoop so low.
You say you dont need support. Not only do you not have real support from anyone outside your guild, but you have earned their opposition. And your fools to think that isnt going to stop you from being successful. Cabal diplomatic skills are severely lacking. A huge reason they are lacking is because you foolishly go around saying \"we will backstab and corrupt everyone when they arnt looking.\" No one in their right mind is going to negotiate with that kind of reputation. You may think you dont need it, you may think you can still conquer the world, but it just wont happen. It will be the cabal against everyone. It would be like china declaring war on the rest of the world.
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Originally posted by Princess Aelya
As I said...not many are going to abondon their old guild andjoin you simply because you claim your better than everyone else.
We don\'t ask people to abandon their guilds... nay, it\'s far better if they stay there. ;)
Originally posted by Princess Aelya
It doesnt take much of a will to resist joining a group of annoying spammers. I dont care what becomes of my guild, I myself would never stoop so low.
You don\'t care what becomes of your guild? How selfish of you. With leadership like that, it\'s not a suprise you havn\'t been around for years!
Originally posted by Princess Aelya
You say you dont need support. Not only do you not have real support from anyone outside your guild,
Oh, you would be suprised... ;)
Originally posted by Princess Aelya
but you have earned their opposition.
Every time we\'re told this just goes to reassure us that you think exactly what we want you to. Thank you.
Originally posted by Princess Aelya
And your fools to think that isnt going to stop you from being successful. Cabal diplomatic skills are severely lacking.
We don\'t need to be diplomatic. You should learn to look past the surface, the propoganda, the... chaos of public opinion. But as long as you stay blind to our movements, you just make it a whole lot easier for us to get the job done.
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he has a slight point in cb we are going to get REAL kids waves of 1779 people who will be looking for a jackass guild to join and cabals there to take em in
then again nothing to extream will happen but there we go
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simple idea hack the cb database and wipe the cabal off it and then delete all cabalist acounts ;)
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Or not, as the cabal dont have any guild accounts. Stops that from happening. Also stops people from doing a whois and knowing if u;r in the cabal :D
Edit: lol, oh, and why do the guild members of the guilds we take over have to know they\'ve ben taken over?
And Adrift\'s a girl btw. :D
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eh? so even in CB yer gonna cheat by using fake accounts to get inside guilds?
wow, i wouldn\'t expect that from someone that is nice in rl, Auran. I mean using thing that accounts are free... please...
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Originally posted by Adrift
Originally posted by Princess Aelya
As I said...not many are going to abondon their old guild andjoin you simply because you claim your better than everyone else.
We don\'t ask people to abandon their guilds... nay, it\'s far better if they stay there. ;)
Originally posted by Princess Aelya
It doesnt take much of a will to resist joining a group of annoying spammers. I dont care what becomes of my guild, I myself would never stoop so low.
You don\'t care what becomes of your guild? How selfish of you. With leadership like that, it\'s not a suprise you havn\'t been around for years!
Originally posted by Princess Aelya
You say you dont need support. Not only do you not have real support from anyone outside your guild,
Oh, you would be suprised... ;)
Originally posted by Princess Aelya
but you have earned their opposition.
Every time we\'re told this just goes to reassure us that you think exactly what we want you to. Thank you.
Originally posted by Princess Aelya
And your fools to think that isnt going to stop you from being successful. Cabal diplomatic skills are severely lacking.
We don\'t need to be diplomatic. You should learn to look past the surface, the propoganda, the... chaos of public opinion. But as long as you stay blind to our movements, you just make it a whole lot easier for us to get the job done.
first, reread the first part. I rephrased it knowing you would try to twist my words and make it sound like something that wasnt meant. *tisk* so predictable.
I think you are the ones that are blind. Blinded by your own dreams of world domination. So blinded that you no longer see logic. As for your movements...They will be figured out in time. And in the end, it will get you nowhere, despite how clever you think you are.
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Ah the never ending debate. The constant cycle of life, struggle, and torment. Both sides can argue but only the strong prevail... even if they do, however, another point can be argued.
To put what I just said in lament terms for all non-cabal...
The Cabal Will Own All
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Originally posted by Savion
Ah the never ending debate. The constant cycle of life, struggle, and torment. Both sides can argue but only the strong prevail... even if they do, however, another point can be argued.
thats got to be one of the most intelligent things youve ever said. (hard to believe i just gave a cabali a compliment. miracles happen i suppose.)
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Well thank you. I\'ve been being complimented from ALL over huh? Hey princess, since Auran has set his sights elsewhere *cough* Adrift *cough* , maybe me n u can go crystal hunting sometime... :D
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no comment on that one :P
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ooo baby! Send me a PM darling!
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wait a sec!
it seems that Defenders and DE are getting into peace to fight common enemy - The Cabal
so those that should be enemies are in temporary peace.
So you guys bring peace to those that should be enemies, and you say you are some higher evil? ?(
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Originally posted by Draklar
wait a sec!
it seems that Defenders and DE are getting into peace to fight common enemy - The Cabal
so those that should be enemies are in temporary peace.
So you guys bring peace to those that should be enemies, and you say you are some higher evil? ?(
I\'m not looking for peace... just the princess
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you know... you didn\'t understand what i said at all
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Nope, but it doesnt matter, just a ton of defender gibberish about the Defenders and DE alliance against the cabal. Big deal.
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hmm... so peace = alliance? :P
anyways, yea, it\'s probably just me, that if someone wants to take over, he should make 2 guilds fight each other, instead of making them stop any fights and turn against one that wants to take over.
got it this time? or should i type slower? ;)
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I understood if the first and second time... don\'t really care either way.
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lol, bring it. Should be interesting.
Is there gonna be PVP in CB?
Edit: Peace between u suits us just as well. We want control, not destruction.
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Originally posted by Xordan
Edit: Peace between u suits us just as well. We want control, not destruction.
yes, that\'s just lack of tactic abilities in Cabal.
If 2 guilds are fighting with each other, it is easier to take over. You know... they think about something else...
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Originally posted by Xordan
lol, bring it. Should be interesting.
Is there gonna be PVP in CB?
ehemm you seem kinda dumb to have been around as long as you have, is there gunna be PvP, you\'re a routiner for christ\'s sake i think you prolly saw somewhere on these forums that there will be no PvP, its only in like half the threads, cept in guild(and this is an exxageration for you dumb people that would go out and count how many threads PvP is mentioned, i realize its nto in half, but its in alot!)
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there will be pvp but it will be limited to guild wars,arenas, possibly duels. but not in crystal blue.
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Originally posted by Princess Aelya
but not in crystal blue.
This is not a fact.
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See? Nobody actually knows when what\'s comin out. :D
(except the devs)
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sorry, i assumed it was to early for that. oh well, i suppose we will see :)
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i had no idea you still play on MB aelya i assumed you people of old just never go there
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well i dont. i dont have a reason to. ill probably wait for the next release. unless of course someone wants me to crystal hunt with them. (not you savion:P)
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Im sure lots of people whould like you to hang out on ps :)
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Yeah... I\'ve only been here a week and it already seems pretty pointless to play very often...
But, Aelya, if you ever want to come hangout look me up. I\'ll probably either be in the temple foyer or in the window of a lookout tower. ^.^
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jeh hang out there for a while and you can clame a pointless house as your property i have a giant house with a bridge to another giant house which is full of alcohol :D. all hard for anyone to get to it excluding the few talented ones. :P
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I didn\'t know that was yours. I\'ve been trying to get on your roof lately :rolleyes:
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the one next to the black smith or the other one?
anyways back on topic: umm....yay draklar >.>
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This is official announcement:
I\'m leaving Defenders to join the Dark Empire
Defenders stay without leader for now (i hope it\'ll change soon)
and yes, i\'m switching from good to evil
*expects stupid posts from Cabal*
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Glad I could show you the true path. Free yourself from blinding light.(and so it begins...:evil: ) Oh and yes, you should always expect that from the cabal, no matter what the occasion...
;)
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Interesting. Will we see a bro vs. bro fight? :D
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Originally posted by lynx_lupo
Interesting. Will we see a bro vs. bro fight? :D
you mean Seperot and me?
ok, that\'s another thing :P
I\'ll probably switch to Dermorian in next releases :P
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So you won\'t be bro\'s anymore? Tell him.
Yay, another dermorian.
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Good. That\'s one of you out of the way. All just stupidly pile into the same guild and make it quicker for us to take you over in one, silent, strike.
OOC: Hope you had fun leading your guild while it lasted, and good luck to you and your future sucess in DE. This shift in power makes things alot more interesting. :)
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As expected. Another cabal comment to dismiss from my shoulders.
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i am SO going to hurt you Draklar not for my sake but for Nia\'s you heartless pile of dirt. just because you where foolish in a few actions and never talked with Nia you go and change everything on us. Im glad i dont call someone so weak minded as you a brother anymore.
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His mind is strong...For he is able to contemplate what the darkness can offer.
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At least all that \'honesty and goodness\' crap u spout is gone. :D
*Ticks defenders off the list*
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Aelya you have missed most of this has been ingame stuff
he belives that his guild gives him no respect but if i am not wrong respect is given to thouse who deserve it if he had not made such rash choices we whouldent be here.
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Originally posted by seperot
he belives that his guild gives him no respect
*blinks*
*blinks*
ohh, how nice of you Seperot... first you start insulting me for something that was kept in roleplaying
and now you somehow know what i believe :rolleyes:
it so happens that i think all of Defenders respected me, and you are only one that\'s whining about that. :rolleyes:
And i have funny feeling you didn\'t talk with Nia before posting that... right Sep?
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you told me that yourself 2 days ago
when you where debating wheter to go to DE or not
and what dose nia have to do with this?
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Draklar I always knew you would come over to us.
Welcome, my friend, and I hope to see many good things from this.
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i don\'t know... maybe that:
Originally posted by seperot
but for Nia\'s you heartless pile of dirt.
:rolleyes:
and i was saying i have to do everything by myself, not that Defenders didn\'t respect me :rolleyes:
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You two, honestly.
You change your minds every few days about that marriage ;)
After all the effort of keeping you two together :P
So this will mean (again) that I\'m not going to be the priest, sigh.
Well, I\'m keeping the wedding day free just in case, I don\'t trust you two anymore :P
and well, that you\'re joining the dark side. It\'s your choice, and if you feel you belong there then you should.
Nothing more to say about that.
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Originally posted by Draklar
This is official announcement:
I\'m leaving Defenders to join the Dark Empire
Defenders stay without leader for now (i hope it\'ll change soon)
and yes, i\'m switching from good to evil
*expects stupid posts from Cabal*
Ack, what a day to sleep in.
I think you should pay no mind to Sep, he\'s obviously a bit emotional on the subject, and for good reason, I\'d say.
I wish you luck in this decision, and I congratulate the Dark Empire on acquiring such an excellent member.
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Why thank you grak. I\'m glad someones being a good sport about it ;)
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Good luck in the DE Drak, I know you\'ll help them regain their strength, they are lucky to have you and you are joining a great guild.
But even though I have many friends in the Dark Alliance, I can\'t help but feel a little disappointed in your actions, you have done so much great work battling the forces of evil and you did have a lot of respect, it is a shame how easily you seemed to turn your back and embrace the darkness. I guess you must do what you feel is right for you ;)
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Originally posted by Princess Aelya
His mind is strong...For he is able to contemplate what the darkness can offer.
heh, it isn\'t like that... mind had nothing to do with that... i don\'t care what are adventages of being evil. I made my decision by what i feel, not what i think.
I\'m glad to see there still are few that didn\'t turn against me because of my decision :)
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then...your mind was strong enought to understand what you want and feel.:P
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We\'ll be turning you as well Kada....in due time.
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
We\'ll be turning you as well Kada....in due time.
Hehe, well I haven\'t got as far to be turned as Drak, I regard my personal alignment as Chaotic Good. You are welcome to try, but I don\'t believe you can so simply change what a person is at heart ;)
*ahh, thinks back to the days of the great Elven Order* :))
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Ahhh yes....the Elven Order. Well there wasn\'t but interest in it at the time so I felt I had to close it.
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Sorry move Drak, after all your arguments you switch alignments? I\'d be pissed if I were seperot too, and it seems he has more of a reason to then just that.
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Originally posted by Draklar
... mind had nothing to do with that...
Heh, was it another part of your anatomy you were following then? ;) (and I don\'t think it was your heart either :P ;))
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Aelya seems to have that effect.... ;)
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hey, not that i\'m denying anything ;) but do you really think knight could move that low? ;) :P
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On the right person with the right soul,the right desires, yes I can have that affect ;)
I assure you draklar is here by his own will. he simply followed his feelings,his mind,his heart, its all the same.
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Heh. I was allured by the promise of power and wealth. I guess it\'s cause of the lack of soul?
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you obviously desired it if you took the offer, no?
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Well, Defenders seams to have been disabanded, nobody wants to be the leader.... (for what I know) Isnt the DE inactive for now? You could have waited for the next release to join them, but I guess it would only put things worst....
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youve missed quite a bit natrina hehe. we came back about a week ago. and this time were here to stay :P
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I\'ll lead the defenders if nobody else wants to. :D
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I called it first Xordan... Their MINE!
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I know that you came back, but you have 3 members (or so does your website says) and you said you wont play before CB...
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well you need to count me in now...
and you know... all members are active :P
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well i said that before i suppose. but since alot of people want me in-game i guess ill dl it.
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Originally posted by Princess Aelya
well i said that before i suppose. but since alot of people want me in-game i guess ill dl it.
woohoo! will be nice to see you there! :D
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ok it seems that Defenders aren\'t giving up, and they started movements to rebuild the brotherhood. I don\'t know how will it work, but the point is Defenders are still here :P
and one more thing:
Originally posted by Kada-El
you have done so much great work battling the forces of evil and you did have a lot of respect, it is a shame how easily you seemed to turn your back and embrace the darkness.
quote from some \"A Fallen Hero\" essay:
The tragic hero demonstrates great dedication and sacrifice; as well as standing as a symbol of goodness and justice. His acts of courage and strength are however no match for his tragic flaw, which eventually lead to his downfall.
that\'s the way it is, Kada ;)
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yup, Draklar just admitted that his joining of the DE will be his downfall. :D
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All evil leads to a downfall...
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Originally posted by Xordan
yup, Draklar just admitted that his joining of the DE will be his downfall. :D
hehe... Xordan, don\'t touch what you don\'t understand :P
You obviously don\'t know what \"downfall\" is for the \"tragic hero\" :P
Lynx: no, lawful-evil doesn\'t... just look at all those lawyers :D ;)
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Draklar is a child and nothing more:rolleyes:. A fickle child in the way children generally are. tsk tsk
BTW:
Tragic, Fallen Hero eh?
He\'s not.
the reasons:
- Too stupid and childish by half to be a hero
- he barely could crawl so there\'s no question of falling
- Tragic without question. He was that long before he joined the DE.
Now Keldorn is a force for good. Too bad he joined the neutral trash.
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Originally posted by Auran
- Too stupid and childish by half to be a hero
you mistake me with Xordan (seriously) :P
Originally posted by Auran
- he barely could crawl so there\'s no question of falling
so who is right?
the wise Kada-El
or the... Auran :P
Originally posted by Auran
- Tragic without question. He was that long before he joined the DE.
heh... you don\'t know what \"Tragic Hero\" means, eh? :P
oh, and i think those who know me for 6 months know a little better, Auran :rolleyes:
actually... those 3 points you made were pretty childish :P
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I never said I was a hero. :P
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Originally posted by Xordan
I never said I was a hero. :P
see?
i stated something like it is Xordan that is \"Too stupid and childish by half to be a hero\" never actually said you were a hero.
ok, but thing is that Defenders are alive again, and that quote was to clear something up. If you don\'t understand what was it about, just don\'t comment it, k?
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Maybe u should think before u post(I know it\'s hard for u).
Originally posted by Auran
- Too stupid and childish by half to be a hero
Draklar:
you mistake me with Xordan (seriously)
If u read the rest of Aurans post then he\'s saying that u\'r not a hero, as u called u\'r self, coz u\'r 2 stupid....
Then u say that he mistaking u for me. So u\'r saying that I called myself a hero.
(I don\'t know why I bother explaining, u\'ll find some way to make u\'rself feel in the right.) :D
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:P
where do you see \"as you called yourself\" in Auran\'s post?
nothing like that there
therefore it can\'t be turned to me saying \"you aren\'t Fallen Hero, as you call yourself, Xordan\"
therefore you are wrong again :P
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Originally posted by Draklar
The tragic hero
That\'s you suggesting that u are the hero.
Originally posted by Auran
Tragic, Fallen Hero eh?
Auran\'s \'as u called u\'rself\' bit. :D
*Waits for Draklar\'s next stupid reply...*
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You know what, Xordan?
I had it with explaining every single thing to you.
It is simple enough that you should get it yourself.
You aren\'t child, are you? Use your own brain from time to time. And stop bugging me with your nonesense, i won\'t reply to it anymore :evil:
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Originally posted by Draklar
You know what, Xordan?
I had it with explaining every single thing to you.
It is simple enough that you should get it yourself.
Maybe it\'s because of the simple fact that you are wrong.
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oh really Kiern? fine...
this point was just a reason
Auran was describing me, and i said this description fits Xordan more
not obvious?
like:
Auran: - Too stupid and childish by half to be a hero
Draklar: no, that\'s Xordan\'s description
where you two see \"Xordan was a hero\" in that???
:rolleyes:
again: reason why he thinks so, only reason, separate point! got it?
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Heh, I got ol\' Draklar mad. :))
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That ain\'t so hard. He\'s really stressy lately. Have you noticed that? He doesn\'t just ignore things anymore, he argues back. :D
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This is what groundation gets you... feeling stupid, i thought draklar was still our ally when i said hey to him today... if i would have known u had been such a fool as to join these petty human beings i would have shunned you! Weaklings who have no soul and hope left in them go and crawl in the shadows with these low-lives i thought u were stronger than those that have joined the dark side before you! I thought you could withhold the temptation to give up... but i supposse even great men fall when they are stretched too thin... I do not know your reasoning for crumbling and giving in but i do know one thing... that you will regret it and that you will fall with the rest of your allies by me alone if noone joins me... what you did was wrong you were a well respected person and now you have thrown that all away. You betrayed your guild and left those that had hope in you with nothing. You will regret this decission in the future i garuntee it. If my guild does not back me on this I will become a lone ranger and follow my own path, I have made my decission.
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Well then.... That\'s interesting.... :P
*Leaves the delusional ranger to his ramblings*
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Fool, resisting path, that is right for you, isn\'t strenght! It is foolishness! I was just blind... blinded by the light, i thought my path was right for me. But no, how could it be, if all i felt was pain, sorrow, disappointment... I never gave up... i relieved true potental of my spirit. And... deep down in my heart i feel that in darkness... my destiny awaits me. Now, i\'m free from the chains of light. Chains you don\'t see, as they are detaining thy weak mind as well. You \"see\" me crawling in shadow, but i\'m not... I will walk with my head raised and show the world wonders of the dark side. Witholding temptation? ha! Call it as you want, but still, it is only weakness of thy mind. Why is darkness tempting you? Because it is the right path! You sense lack of something in path you follow, but you won\'t leave it... how would you call that? Strenght? Very well... it just shows how light is fooling thy mind.
And spare me your empty threats... What such a puny ranger can do to me? *laughs* Attack me with some stick? You will fall under sword of a true warrior, burn in flames of my spells. You better hide in thy forest and wait for me to arrive, then... i\'ll burn you together with your whole home. Untill that happens... have fun running around, protected by light, as light protects you indeed... From cruel truth, about world that surrounds you...
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Tranor: be sure that i will help you.
Draklar: what a pity that after all these day in the light, you haven\'t found their true power. Maybe because even when you were a proud Defender, your heart was already full of shadows and your eyes blind to your real power. You think Darkness is more powerful that Light, that\'s obviously false. Hope, pride, order are not only values, they are strength!
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*chuckels* There is hope,order,and pride in darkness, if one knows how to use it....I simply bestowed upon draklar that knowledge. It\'s a shame some beings are to stubborn and blinded to see it.
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No, your pride is shame,
your order is chaos,
and your hope... what hope?
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*laughs*
Pride!
Pride I\'ll find in courage to fight for what i believe. In fighting along my friends. In devoting my life to serve princess and the empire. For glory i\'ll fight, for glory i\'ll die!
Chaos?
You find chaos in everything that\'s evil
you can\'t understand how evil can be lawful...
that just proves how light can disrupt one\'s mind...
Hope... my hope...
Hope to achieve everything I want
Hope to make my life complete
Hope to meet my destiny
Hope to live as warrior and die as warrior
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Originally posted by Draklar
that just proves how light can disrupt one\'s mind...
Indeed. It seems your mind is disrupted. But i\'m not sure we can blame the light for this.
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My mind was being disrupted, but only in past...
Now thanks to Aelya\'s words and joining the darkness i can see straight again. Not being blinded by light, I see the truth.
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.I simply bestowed upon draklar that knowledge
Hmmm. Bad choice of words princess. You would have profited by spending some days in my tutelage. I\'ll tell you something out of the goodness of my heart (goodness:P..yeah right:D):
Never speak to anyone as if they are inferior. That is not the best way to hold onto your friends.
You really should have taken up our offer. It would have done you more good than harm. You are but a child with the new realisation of your powers whereas we are the masters who have been in control for very many years ere you were. Don\'t give me any PS oldbie tripe m\'lady. I have built and vanquished guilds all over MMORPGS before you knew what 5d6(D&D) meant.
What is to be said of Draklar...... the less said the better. I have no objections to his joining a quasi dark, psuedo evil guild like the DE. Dont object to the adjectives, it is the least hostile thing that can be said to a evil guild looking for order, pride and hope in Darkness. The only thing that darkness may harbor are Fear, Greed, lust and wrath. If properly harnessed these can win you the world but that is beside the point here.
Draklar\'s decision was a horribly wrong move if you ask me. If nothing else then very badly staged at the very least. It showed his innate weakness and inability to act as a leader of any caliber and also his inconstant state of mind. His lack of resolve, his inability to shoulder responsibilty, his easy to convince opinions, his weak will........need I go on. If I were you princess I would think ten times before handing him any assignment of consequence. You never know what his weak mind might turn to next or when.
farewell little one
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Originally posted by Auran
You really should have taken up our offer. It would have done you more good than harm.
oh, but Auran... you are forgetting that you already said you were going to betray Dark Empire...
as to the rest... it is simple fight between chaos and law, there is no need to say more...
and about me... you may see that as wrong decision... but I don\'t think someone that is evil should lead good guild...
hmm... inconstant state of mind... is that truth? what are you basing it on? That i once changed my believes? Auran, my old friend... you are forgetting changes in Cabal... I see your old mind is failing you... look at your very first statement when it was born... now look what Cabal is today... Now those are the changes! Chaos! yes, inconstant state is what you find in Cabal, not within this proud and honorable warrior...
And please spare those words for the princess... she knows much more about all this than you... you may be sure that she knows what she\'s doing...
oh and...
princess was showing me the right path for some time... now that she finally accomplished what she wanted... would it be wise to throw it away?
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*sigh*
Silly Draklar. Don\'t u see that u could have joined the DE secretly, but still kept the Defenders? The Defenders would have been a very useful tool to the DE.
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Originally posted by Draklar
inconstant state is what you find in Cabal, not within this proud and honorable warrior...
I hope you don\'t call you a proud and honorable warrior?
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Xordan: my way is the way of honour, that won\'t ever change.
Elscouta...
*sighs*
what can member of mage guild know about warrior\'s pride and honor?
you probably think that even tho i am evil i should stay in Defenders, eh? *shakes head* poor you...
But for your information i didn\'t just leave them. I still try to help them in rebuilding guild.
but oh well... let the dog bark...
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But for your information i didn\'t just leave them. I still try to help them in rebuilding guild.
hmm... you are now evil but you still help your old lawful guild? Yes, it\'s honourable. Weird but honourable all the same.
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Well Draklar, I don\'t know if we can still be friends.
Tread lightly, even though good guilds may not have asassins.
Neutral guilds can do anything. *Monketh grins evily*
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to auran: Save it. I grow tired of your empty threats and foolish perceptions. I have heard it all before from many children like yourself, and I will no longer allow myself to be distracted by your meaningless words, as they have no merrit.
to Draklar: Just leave them be. If their minds cannot percieve things about the darkness, then that is their problem. They will never understand if they cannot understand now.
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Those who walk in the light will stumble when they fight in the dark. Those who live in the darkness and are not deceived by the light, thinking it leads them, can tread all paths equally well.
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Nice sentence, but obviously wrong though
Those who have a light to guide them will always be able to see in darkness.
P.S:
Originally posted by Elscouta to Draklar
A debate between lawful and evil will always be pointless
I think i shall remember what i said... So i will not post again here. You can be happy ;)
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Originally posted by elscouta
Originally posted by Elscouta to Draklar
A debate between lawful and evil will always be pointless
I think i shall remember what i said... So i will not post again here. You can be happy ;)
ahhh i remember... but that is simple wrong in this point...
you know... i\'m lawful-evil :P
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Originally posted by Draklar
And spare me your empty threats... What such a puny ranger can do to me? *laughs* Attack me with some stick? You will fall under sword of a true warrior, burn in flames of my spells. You better hide in thy forest and wait for me to arrive, then... i\'ll burn you together with your whole home.....
protected by light, as light protects you indeed... From cruel truth, about world that surrounds you...
1) I use no puny stick i use a sword and soon to be an axe, a rather large one might i add... and my threats are not empty. they will be backed by those that see the truth... that is which darkness will fall and light will prevail, good shall conquer evil and when we defeat you we wont show you mercy.
2) Light does not protect me, my own strength and will protects me...
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and i shall use my mighty uhm beermug to throw at draklar\'s head so he will be dizzy.
and and and ah who cares bout that i\'ll just help tranor to kill you simple as that.
The power of the rangers is not the forest, no it\'s the brotherhood that is behind it, the support we give eachother, and a leader that is here for us is a good reason also, not like a side crossing ex-defenders leader.
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*shows his claymore*
you better get some better weapon, ranger.
Dorbian, your words have no meaning to me, as i explained that earlier.
Now, i shall listen to the princess.
you fools just keep saying what you want... i don\'t care.
The stronger will prevail
nothing else needs to be spoken
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You know Draklar, you sound just like The Cabal when you say stuff like that. Well, I shouldn\'t really say just like, they do it much better then your weak threats.
Let\'s see how much you don\'t care, don\'t reply anymore, I think it would make a lot of people happy if you be quiet.
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Light blinds those who live in the dark. For their eyes are not ready for it\'s gift, the gift of knowing what everything around you really is.
*Gotcha!*
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*Takes Draklar\'s toy claymore away from him*
U could hurt u\'r self with that u know. :D
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Light only blinds those deceived by the darkness, those who let the darkness control them. Those who know that the darkness is only there to protect them and keep them hidden can use it to their advantage. On the contrary, those lost in the light know only light and cannot function where none is present. And bringing light into darkness can only serve to present you with a false sense of security. For you see the darkness recede in front of you, knowing not that it treads on your heels behind you, ready to strike.
And Elscouta, I am neither lawful nor evil. What do you mean?
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True power lies in the ability to be dark, while using the light as a tool. You have no weakness, only strength. :D
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OMG, I agree with Xordan............
Goodbye, cruel world........ XD
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Kiern, maybe just don\'t listen
Monketh... that\'s so nice :)
but...
[hint]i know both light and darkness[/hint] ;)
in all best thing that might be said is that thingy from one of Cabali sigs... Azriel maybe?
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Originally posted by Xordan
True power lies in the ability to be dark, while using the light as a tool. You have no weakness, only strength. :D
Au contraire my friend, you have it backwards.
True power lies in the ability to be Light, while using the dark as a tool.
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While your frame of reference is light, you think that the light guides you, for in its presence you feel whole. While your frame of reference is the absence of light, you depend solely upon yourself, and you find your true power hidden deep within the recesses of your body and mind, unaided by worldly things.
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I suppose it depends on opinion. :D
Dark wouldn\'t hestate to take advantage of the light, but would the light want to dirty itself with the dark?
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Why am I not in Mirth? :D
Neutral would not hesitate to dirty itself to get things done, all\'s well the ends well. ;)
Edit:Btw, I edited my post in the other thread, perhaps you should go read it...
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By strict definition neutrality would attempt to balance the sides of light and dark. Changing from light to dark as often as it benefits you is evil :P
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lol, oh yeah, I forgot about neutral. :D
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isn\'t that chaotic-neutral, Yarulion? ;)
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No, it\'s not.
Chaotic neutral is whimsical (it\'s the madman\'s alignment) and the decisions tend to hurt as much as they help in most cases. Switching for your own benefit is down-right self-serving evil.
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Not if I\'m accomplishing my good goal, if spying is evil, and I spy on, say, DE and by my evil prevent a massacre (well ok, they\'re lawful-evil but so what?), that would be neutral. Would it not? ;)
Or, I kill a cabali to save an old lady, that\'s neutral, no?
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No.....
That\'s an good guy trying to not get the double XP penalty for an alignment change......
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Originally posted by Draklar
*shows his claymore*
you better get some better weapon, ranger....
The stronger will prevail
nothing else needs to be spoken
You said it yourself, the STRONG will prevail... no matter what their weapon of choice, whether stick or sword, the stronger and more skilled will be the victor... your puny claymore scares no1... id love to see what that would do against me and my brethren\'s weapons collectively!
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To Tranor: Strength is not the ability to clench tightly to a shaky belief structure.
To the debate in general: Good is serving the world. Evil is serving yourself. Neutrality is either not caring or attempting to balance things. It is definitely not switching randomly from good to evil, because that is your decision, not your alignment. Alignment is what is behind the decision. If you switch alignment to better the world, you\'re good. If you switch alignment to better your own standing, you\'re evil. If you switch alignment to benefit the underdog, you\'re neutral :)
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This is getting deep...
You see a man running out of a bank in a ski mask with a pistol and a duffel bag leaking bills, and you run him over with your car. Is that gross-neutral? :P
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Originally posted by Yarulion
To Tranor: Strength is not the ability to clench tightly to a shaky belief structure.
You know not fo what you speak, QUIET PAWN!
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No, it\'s good. You benefited many people other than yourself by stopping that man, whether it resulted in his death or not.
Now had you not noticed the bag and you just thought \"Hey, a pedestrian! Ten points!\" that would be evil.
If you thought the ratio of pedestrians to motor vehicles was tipping the scales and hit him, that would be gross neutrality XD
Edit: LOL, Tranor, do you even know what a pawn is? I\'m in complete control of what I\'m doing. You\'re the one faltering because you lack control over the destiny of those around you whom you depend on.
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Originally posted by Yarulion
Edit: LOL, Tranor, do you even know what a pawn is? I\'m in complete control of what I\'m doing. You\'re the one faltering because you lack control over the destiny of those around you whom you depend on.
Once again, you know not of what you speak, i depend on no1, i have complete control over my actions.
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ROTFL!!!
I ought to present odd scenarios more often. :)
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Please Tranor, i don\'t want to talk on this topic anymore, tis stupid, pointless, whatever.
by strong in there i meant one who is strong, wise and cunning.
And i said stronger will prevail not pointing to anyone, just to and this topic
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tis true this topic is useless and pointless now... it should be closed and a new thread should be made for teh newly revived Defenders.
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yea, the problem is that i was only Defender that posted stuff around here :P
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He\'s gotta point there.......
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hehe i know but still, maybe the new guys (if there are any) might start postin...and sorry Drak, im a little headstrong and short tempered sometimes.
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**sigh** away from a week and more crap happens
tranor i do aggree but its pointless to talk to him he is fallen and theres no point talking to him just have the though i WILL kill him in cb (of course you can kill him as well) though guild war or other means.
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just a little hint...
Originally posted by Tranor
tis true this topic is useless and pointless now...
And how can you say stuff like that, if you turned to evil as well? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by seperot
**sigh** away from a week and more crap happens
You think that\'s bad, I haven\'t been watching the board for a month and missed all this. I told drak I was going to join defenders when CB came out. Now to decide weither to help rebuild the defenders, join an ally or the mysterious plan C.
Oh, and I completley agree with monkth\'s description of god versus evil. Anyone else care to explain lawful versus chaos?
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im sorry seperot, but i cant fight drak in any kind of battle. as most of you know, i get angered easily, have a short fuse, and am hot headed. i didnt think about what i said before. if there is a guild war between DE and rangers, i think ill have to sit it out. drak was always there for me and helped me from the very begining. back in the good old days in LW before it crashed and burned. but so were you sep, and i cant choose between you two, u are both my very good friends and if Drak saw a better future in DE, im glad that he chose to follow his heart, good luck Drak.
P.S.-I believe this thread should be closed now.
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i whouldent ask you to choose anyway tranor i ask for votes in guild wars anyway ;)
if worst comes to it i can take a month\'s leave from the guild make a fake guild and call guild war and fight by myself (stupid mebbie but i still have loadsa fun in the prosess) so dont pick fights with rangers if ya have a problem with me ;)
but thats a Worst case idea i doubt i whould need to
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Even tho I hate to raise this spammed thread, I think that\'s the best place to announce that :P
After long waiting, Ascar \"Silenthero\" Adenedhel finally took over the leadership over the Defenders guild.
He showed spirit of a true hero and I\'m sure he can lead Defenders from the dust back into the glory :)
I also ask not to raise any old topics from this thread, I just wanted to announce that Defenders are fully back.
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Maybe you should let the guild announce what they want, it shows how active they are when someone who left the guild is still the only one who bothers to say something.
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First of all if you didn\'t notice it yet, Defenders aren\'t forum-users and are active only ingame :rolleyes:
Second, bug off Kiern, this is just announcement and I still feel some loyality towards them :evil:
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If their not forum users then I see little reason to announce it on the forum...it\'s not your guild anymore dude, it\'s their job to keep us updated if they want more members, you shouldn\'t have quit if you want to do everything for them
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If it\'s important, I see no reason why it shouldn\'t be announced on the forum. Nobody complained when Blitzers leadership changed (or something about the blitzers it was a while ago) and they are definately not a forum-based guild.
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It\'s fine if they announce it, it just annoy\'s me that Draklar\'s the one telling us...don\'t get me wrong Draklar, I\'m just saying that the guild should be the one to bother to post this, sorry if they had to take time out of their day to post about their own guild...
EDIT:
Just to go into the forum part, if I for example joined The Defenders because of a post I saw on the forums, to me the guild would be inactive as I am primarily a forum-user at this point, the only reason I joined was because of the ad I saw on the forums...I then quit due to inactivity and join some other guild which has actual members I can talk to.
You may not agree with me but hopefully it\'s clear what I\'m saying
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Yes, I see your point...
In a way, Draklar still leads the Defenders. He definately still has influence, and I think that makes him ok as their rep on the forum in regard to this thread.
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Hahaha, I wish I saw this sooner, you should have told me sooner too Draklar, since I went and joined up with the Rangers. But now I guess I don\'t really care.
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Kiern: this post has nothing to do with recruiting, it\'s just to show people that already know Defenders that they aren\'t in anarchy anymore.
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I must say that I agree with Kiern...
At this point in development the community exists far more on the forums than ingame. For a guild to truly be active at this stage, I believe that their leader (at the very least) should be active on these forums.
When there is an actual game, I am certain the active guilds will be the ones that are active ingame. But for the moment...
I am VERY glad to hear that Defenders is no longer in chaos. I hope you restore yourselves to your old status as soon as possible. Could I possibly have the contact info for your new leader, so that we can discuss our alliance?
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use Defenders boards to contact Silenthero
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Originally posted by Half_Pint
I must say that I agree with Kiern...
At this point in development the community exists far more on the forums than ingame. For a guild to truly be active at this stage, I believe that their leader (at the very least) should be active on these forums.
When there is an actual game, I am certain the active guilds will be the ones that are active ingame. But for the moment...
Hmm.....Blitzers are probably the least active guild on the foums right now, but we are VERY active in-game(maybe the most active guild in-game)
The community also exits much in-game.......I have met many ppl that I call \'friends\' while playing MB, but I have probably no friends that stay strictly to forums.
And to keep it OT, it is nice to hear that someone took charge in getting Defenders on the right track. I noticed Aineko had tried(a little) but it is nice to hear this.
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Greetings to all of you,
as the new leader of Defenders guild I\'d like to introduce myself to the people on this board and put some things right:
As Draklar told you I took the lead in Defenders, together with my brothers and sisters I\'ll do my best to continue what Draklar started when he formed our brotherhood and recover the old strengh and status we have been known for.
Yes, I\'m very proud to tell you that Defenders are no longer in \"chaos\" as you might call it and we\'re getting organized at the moment to give the world of Planeshift one of its guilds back.
Still the goals and the attitude of Defenders didn\'t change and I want all allies and friends of Defenders to know that we are still with them and this change of leaders should change nothing about our relationships.
What brings me to the next point, some of you guys might think Draklar still leads Defenders in some way because he posted important informations here, but that\'s not right. Fact is: Draklar didn\'t want Defenders to split up and I still respect him for what he has made this brotherhood when he was the leader so I thought it should be his right to hand over the \"leadership\" in public...that\'s the reason why he announced me as the new leader of Defenders, nothing more, nothing less.
Sure, most of Defenders are more in game players than board visitors, and this includes me too, but in my new role as leader of a brotherhood like this I guess this has to change. Don\'t get me wrong, I\'m not going to spam here around or start senseless threads just to push the posting counter, but you can be sure that the board people will be informed about important news about Defenders brotherhood and I\'ll read this board as often as time allows it.
Guess that\'s all for now, if you have any questions about this topic feel free to post them here or contact me on the Defenders board I\'d be happy to answer all of them.
greetz
Silent Hero
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Great, SilentHero. :)
As I have said before, there is no doubt about our continued alliance.
And Draklar, I respect you helping your former guild organize itself, unlike some people *pokes kiern*.
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Just a word to say that like most Defenders, i feel more fun in spending my online time INgame.
On the other hand, Defenders have a dedicated forum.
So, when i feel in a \'forum mood\', I use Defenders forum instead of this one.
This is in fact my first visit since I visited the Noobs FAQ two months ago. Just to tell you once again that the brotherhood is neither dead or in chaos.
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It\'s good to know that, Golmir, but I think that most people have already figured out that Defenders is still strong. 8)
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Even me... :D
Hail the defenders!!!! Hail them with pointy rocks and sharp stones!!
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TEH ZORDMAN EZ NOOOOOOB!!!!!!!!11
That... was seriously corny, Xordan. Cornier than the above statement. I expected better of you. Practice making witty evil comments in front of the mirror.
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Sorry... I get these urges when I see good openings.... it\'s one of the many nasty side effects of being evil in too many gamez.... I do try hard u know... *sob* ;(
:D :P :))
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it was Half-Pint who said that the community exists more in board than in game.
I must agree with that for some part.
But as I see the role of a Defender, ingame community is also important.
In Hydlaa, we can greet newcomers and it takes only a short time to see theyr expectations.
For sure, visitors looking for fame and fights don\'t stay long.
But the ones who made the choice to stay are for most of them happy in a peacefull and friendly land.
This is this peace and this friendship i have choosen to defend.
Xordan, you attacked...A time might come were Defenders could teach you the right meaning of defence.
We will Defend our brothers, our friends, and whoever is threatened by the evil forces (at work in these forums). Most of all, we will defend our values.
By the way, you won\'t be able to attack us with pointy stones as we are collecting them in Hydlaa while you read this.
Might peace be well defended in Yliakum.
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Yes the Defenders were crap. But I see no reason why that can\'t change;). Good luck! I\'ll look forward to the day when i\'ll have your scalps hanging in my lair.
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yea, they were crap indeed... calling themselfs brotherhood while most of members didn\'t have full membership, thinking spam = power and being laugh for the community... oh wait, that\'s cabal :rolleyes:
now look: Defenders always was respected guild and still is, if you have nothing smart to say then better shut up
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Now now :baby: .
Good luck with the renaissance. :)
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Originally posted by Golmir
it was Half-Pint who said that the community exists more in board than in game.
I must agree with that for some part.
But as I see the role of a Defender, ingame community is also important.
In Hydlaa, we can greet newcomers and it takes only a short time to see theyr expectations.
For sure, visitors looking for fame and fights don\'t stay long.
But the ones who made the choice to stay are for most of them happy in a peacefull and friendly land.
This is this peace and this friendship i have choosen to defend.
Xordan, you attacked...A time might come were Defenders could teach you the right meaning of defence.
We will Defend our brothers, our friends, and whoever is threatened by the evil forces (at work in these forums). Most of all, we will defend our values.
By the way, you won\'t be able to attack us with pointy stones as we are collecting them in Hydlaa while you read this.
Might peace be well defended in Yliakum.
I agree that the ingame community is important. However, I disagree that Xordan will not have any sharp stones. He goes ingame under differant names, though I don\'t know how often.