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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Yarulion on November 06, 2003, 03:45:34 am
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HEAR YE, CITIZENS OF YLIAKUM!
The time of the Blackflame Clan is ripe: let the colonization begin!
Alliances are forming as our influence grows, and the potential of conflict is nigh as well. Our *very* detailed website (www.blackflameorder.com (http://www.blackflameorder.com/)) has everything you could hope to learn about our guild.
We are chaotic neutral, and devoted to fighting. Action and instinct are our meat and drink! Thought is merely a slow poison that kills us by causing hesitation! Join the Blackflame Clan and become a member of the Transcendent Order!
Anyone of any alignment may apply. Anyone might get in. Anyone might become an officer. Anyone might become a charter member of the Factor Council. Anyone might be rejected.
Nothing more need be said.
To join, click here (http://sky.prohosting.com/johnbay/join.html) or send me an e-mail (seregon_blackflame@yahoo.com).[/B]
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there should be a rule. no clans with the word flame in the name.
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Theres only two...
Or is there three?
Anyway, good luck with the guild.
Wolfmane, get over here and hep advertise them.
Annah, get over here to insult newbs.
OK, I have added my OT statement, my opinion on the thread, and mentioned other players. Looks like a complete post to me.
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Well, I was trying to check out the site in more depth... but I couldn\'t because NONE of the links work!
You should also make the entrance more clear... like maybe an ENTER link.. ya that would be the smart thing to do! Come On! I know you can do it!
Well, I think you can do it... well maybe not but it is fun to think you can anyway... untill you let me down.
That\'s no fun...
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Well, I was trying to check out the site in more depth... but I couldn\'t because NONE of the links work!
This only goes to show you how wrong you are for my Order.
You should also make the entrance more clear... like maybe an ENTER link.. ya that would be the smart thing to do! Come On! I know you can do it!
On the very first page there is a link that says \"one more step in the right direction\" in bright blue. If you click it you enter.
Although it cannot be much simpler, I will anticipate your argument and explain why it will not be. If I cater to those of your (obviously sub-par) intelligence, they might get the (wrong) idea that they would be able to join my guild. Enough said, Savion?
Evanchild, you should join the Cabal. You have no concept of the topic of a thread.
Davis, I thank you, and I have the highest of hopes.
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Ya I saw the link.... and clicked... it lead me to a page with nothing to do. Red letters... none of them links.
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So there is no Cabal-inspired confusion:
I do assure all of you that the website is complete and in working order.
Repeat: This battlestation *IS* operational.
Many people have viewed it and confirmed this.
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I think that Savion just always has to get his 2 cents in.
By the way, the site works great.
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Originally posted by Savion
Ya I saw the link.... and clicked... it lead me to a page with nothing to do. Red letters... none of them links.
oh yea, i can see yer Cabal :P
and i think this idea with site is great! :)
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I have finally decided to put up half of our guild-feelings on the website. The other half shall remain undisclosed until further notice.
For a quick explanation,
Enemies and Alliances refer to organizations.
Watchlist means those who should be observed carefully and generally are disfavored by the guild.
Guild favors, in contrast, are those individuals and organizations that the guild will attempt to not in any way hinder. Whether this is a policy of neutrality or non-aggression, or simply someone outside the guild who has performed a service for it, making this list means that you can count on the guild in some regard, although you are not a full ally.
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To Yarulion:
From what I can tell you\'ll die very soon. Even without the Cabal lifting one finger. tsk.........
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And if we do? That\'s fine. I will always be a part of the Order no matter whom I join.
So I move on, and your guild continues to be attacked from all sides because you do not have a single ally... sounds a perfectly acceptable solution to me.
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I like you kid. Tis sad youre guild is doomed. I hope it succeeds but I don\'t really count on it. However you will be welcome with us whenever you want.
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Good luck with your guild Yarulion, pay no attention to fools. No matter what guild they are a part of, or if they are freelancing.
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Fools? Who are more foolish, the fools or the fools affected by them? We affect all, so that must make every one else even more foolish than us!
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You affect all and still all see you as fools. I don\'t see your logic/sense.
Yarulion: great water effect!!!
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Originally posted by Savion
Fools? Who are more foolish, the fools or the fools affected by them? We affect all, so that must make every one else even more foolish than us!
well a fool cannot usefully execute a line so thereafore that sttements is false? i dunno. your a moron. you don\'t give 2 cents its more like 3/8.
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The comment went over your head. Don\'t bother trying to contemplate its meaning. Actually, I think you summed it up the best Lynx. We affect all. They call us fools... but who are more foolish? If you REALLY didn\'t want anything to do with us, you would not be affected by what we say.
Yes, we are seen as fools... but we will be seen as gods once all are proven more foolish.
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Ahem... if I may have my thread back (**glares at Cabali**)
I would like to say that because of the length of the website and the difficulty of reading that much text I have very much abridged it. The v2 site is very concise and I think still highlights the main points well. I have preserved much of the original material. If anyone is interested, maybe I\'ll make a novel :P
At any rate, my other announcement is that we have joined the Dark Alliance (I\'m sure you all know by now) and completed the triangle. I do not vainly hope to take the place of Hellsing, but this should prove beneficial to all of the guilds involved. Our alignment has not and most likely will not change from Chaotic Neutral as this is reflective of the guild philosphy.
I now open this thread to further explain anything about the guild now lost in the brevity of the website or for any and all commentary, including the inevitable Cabali flame-war. *sighs*
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Originally posted by Savion
The comment went over your head. Don\'t bother trying to contemplate its meaning. Actually, I think you summed it up the best Lynx. We affect all. They call us fools... but who are more foolish? If you REALLY didn\'t want anything to do with us, you would not be affected by what we say.
I know what you mean, but the inBalance(\"senselessity\" ) was too striking not to intervene. I\'m a druid after all. :)
Yes, we are seen as fools... but we will be seen as gods once all are proven more foolish.
If you EVER prove us more foolish, I will only probably be ashamed and surprised. I WILL NEVER see you AS GODS!
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sorry
Yar: It will be curious to see how the DA will work.
BF is chaotic, the others are lawful;
BF is neutral, the others are evil.
Interesting choice you/they\'ve made!
The site is great.
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yes im intrested how thats gonna work too
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Actually the Dark Empire is Lawful Evil and the Black Order is Chaotic Evil. So we are not the only force of Chaos in the group. As for not being evil, Neutrality in our case means not letting the ideals of \"good\" and \"evil\" penetrate our thoughts and get in the way. Evil is always preferred to good, because self-serving is more natural and instinctive, thus being the way of the Ciphers. However, because no Cipher ever considers his actions on the basis of good or evil, no alignment distinction can be made. To be evil would be \"out of character.\"
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So are you evil or not? You stated both. :rolleyes:
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We\'re chaotic neutral. We serve an evil organization. We may do things that appear good, or evil, or neutral, or lawful, or chaotic, or whatever. That\'s all part of chaotic neutral. We\'re unpredictable.
[Edit: GAH! Too many conversations at the same time!]
Ok, let me try to explain this differently. Alignment titles do not figure into to the Transcendent Order very well because alignment is how you basically make a decision relative to your values...
By that logic, we would actually have no alignment because we make decisions based on instinct. The Order, the guild, and players, usually, are all Chaotic Neutral. Decisions are spur-of-the-moment and unpredictable. If any one of those three (Order, guild, players) swings in the direction of another alignment, a name other than the alignment is more appropriate.
For example, an evil Cipher might be better described as \"sadistic\" while a good Cipher might be better described as \"tolerant.\" This is all for role-playing and philosophical reasons, and as alignment has very little bearing on the game, I think it is being taken perhaps a bit too literally for the purposes of the guild.
We serve the Dark Alliance. We uphold the ideals of the Transcendent Order. Let that be our statement of alignment.
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Originally posted by Yarulion
By that logic, we would actually have no alignment because we make decisions based on instinct.
yea, i think i said somewhere non-aligned = chaotic-neutral ;)
But BO is lawful-evil
so yer only one chaotic in there, right.
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If you will refer to the first post on the Dark Alliance thread, Annah announced that the Black Order would revert to its old alignment of Chaotic Evil.
Also the simple fact of it is that if you want to act instinctively, evil just tends to conflict with instinct less than good.
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Chaotic neutral fits you fine. When playing a neutral druid in some alignment shifting games, I had to do good and evil to stay neutral!
And that you act on instinct, makes you chaotic.
/note to self: read the PT factions guide
man do i type slowly!
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Originally posted by Yarulion
If you will refer to the first post on the Dark Alliance thread, Annah announced that the Black Order would revert to its old alignment of Chaotic Evil.
yea, but it was neutral to chaotic-evil
later Annah said, especially to Kada, that they are switching to lawful-evil
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Guess I missed that one :P
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I have an Idea:
Lets just say you are all idiots and be done with it:D.
By the way, Yarulion, you say you serve a guild that is evil. Now correct me if I am wrong but aren\'t you allies.?
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he said they serve the DA, not the guilds in it. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Auran
I have an Idea:
Lets just say you are all idiots and be done with it:D.
By the way, Yarulion, you say you serve a guild that is evil. Now correct me if I am wrong but aren\'t you allies.?
Wow thats a good point... the idiot statement I mean.
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Ah, so we are back to Cabali hoarding my thread again, eh?
Tsk...
As for being talking about idiots, we were trying *not* to post about Cabal here.
And as for serving the Dark Alliance, let me break it down for you so it will be simple... easy to understand...
Blackflame Clan + Dark Empire + Black Order = Dark Alliance
I serve the Dark Alliance, the cause of all three guilds as a single entity.
Need I really go into this much trivial detail? Are you not the same who signed every post asking the Princess for this same alliance \"Your humble servant\"?
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Ah but A humble servant of the princess I still am. In fact you should know that i talk to most females in that manner. Ask Gronomist or Kada or Moogle. It had nothing to do with my proposal.
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There are certain things that should be understood and accepted by members of the Cabal about my guild. These are not debatable issues.
1. We are chaotic neutral.
2. We are part of the Dark Alliance.
3. Our website works just fine.
4. Many words used by the guildmaster have more than one definition. (e.g. \"service\" or \"organization\")
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Hiya.
Auran, don\'t act childish because another guild enter in your place in DA. Admit it, you wanted that place. Still don\'t know why ... but you did!
We\'re all idiots? Except for you I don\'t see anyone.
Watch your languange.
As for BlackFlame, they are way better than your guild. They are more organized, and they are normal people ... not like others ...
And - Black Order - is not chaotic evil, we are lawful evil too. I typed wrong in the forums. My minds were at Aelya when she returned :)
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Ah ... and stop that \"my humble X\" Auran. Even at Aelya! ...
Yarulion, I think you should have in the sig the - Dark Alliance logo - (that is temp.)
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Ah, of course. I knew there was something I forgot to do.
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Am I going to have fun spying on you..
I mean... who\'s spying? I\'m not spying. What are you talking about?
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You might want to wait until I at least have one member I don\'t know personally in real life before you start acting like you\'re spying on me... It arouses more suspicion when I\'m not 100% sure you\'re lying...
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add some content to ye\' site.
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Originally posted by Evanchild
add some content to ye\' site.
I feel I have as much said that actually needs to be said on there as it is. As I said earlier, the original website (very verbose) will be available in novel form when I figure out where to put it. Maybe I\'ll post it here just for fun.
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I\'m too sleepy to post all of that mess. If you have a question, ASK.
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Perhaps this will give some of you a new perspective on what I\'m talking about. The concept of my guild is taken directly from a PlaneScape setting, though I have modified it according to the evolution of several D&D characters which have participated in it. I have always found this faction fascinating. This is the excerpt from A Player\'s Guide to the Planes regarding the Transcendent Order.
The Transcendent Order
(Ciphers)
By the time you\'ve thought about it, I\'ll have killed you! That makes it a do-or die deal!
--Factol Rhys of the Ciphers
Faction philosophy. These guys say that for a body to become one with the multiverse, he\'s got to stop thinking and act. Action without thought is the purest form of thought. When a cutter can know what to do without even thinking about it, then he\'s become one with the multiverse. It goes like this. Every berk\'s part of the multiverse, and nothing\'s apart from it. So it figures that every being knows the right action to take at just the right moment. Problem is, some folks start thinking and mess it all up. Thinking adds hesitation and doubt. It overrules instinct and separates a sod from the multiverse. By the time a poor sod\'s thought about something, the right action for the right moment is gone. So all a berk\'s got to do is just quit thinking, right? \'Course it ain\'t that easy. Any addle-cove can blunder in and act without giving it a thought, but that\'s not the goal. A body\'s got to work hard at learning himself - learning his own mind and instincts until the right action comes automatically. It\'s done by training both the body and mind. Just like the way thieves practice their crosstrade, a Cipher\'s got to train his mind (the source of action) and body (the actor) to be one thing. There\'s no difference between the two, no separation between thought and motion. Body and mind act as one - the hand moves before the thought reaches it. So what\'s all this get a fellow, then? Once mind and body are in harmony, the spirit becomes in tune with the multiverse. A blood understands the purpose of the multiverse and knows just where and how he should be.
If you can get through all that PlaneScape jargon, then you might have a pretty good idea of what I\'ve been talking about now ;)
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Originally posted by Yarulion
You might want to wait until I at least have one member I don\'t know personally in real life before you start acting like you\'re spying on me... It arouses more suspicion when I\'m not 100% sure you\'re lying...
What do we have here? First of all, I think it is plain old rediculous that you have been accepted into the DA without any members. That is funny.
Second of all, are you admiting that the Cabal intimidate you? I think you did.
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Where have you been?
There was a quality, not quantity discussion.
We have 2, the DE have 3.
As was said before you\'re just jealous.
And no, that was rampant sarcasm about your blatant stupidity.
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Share a dark, Barking thugs were ciphers, aye?
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Seems to me like the Cabal is jealous :]
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Jealous is not a trait I possess, sorry to dissapoint you ;)
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Originally posted by Savion
Jealous is not a trait I possess, sorry to dissapoint you ;)
I\'ll believe that when you\'ve proved it. Start showing me by stopping posting crap in every guild-thread :P
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That is not jealousy... that is publicity ;)
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Wrong again savion its Idoicy See there is a slight difference!!
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and you spell it wrong... tsk tsk
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Originally posted by Savion
and you spell it wrong... tsk tsk
Originally posted by Savion
If I wern\'t able to move the site, how did I pull that quote off it? Now look who is the idoit.
:rolleyes:
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Well heh I can\'t seem to get it to work (the BFC site) with any other browser other than IE. Thats a drag;(. I hate to have to use IEX(.:P
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Have you tried using Netscape? I only use IE and an 800x600 screen, so if it doesn\'t work well on anything besides those specs, well... I\'m not a pro web designer. What can I say? :D
Technically, it should work with Netscape. But don\'t quote me on that.
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Originally posted by lynx_lupo
Share a dark, Barking thugs were ciphers, aye?
I\'d rattle off all the dark in the multiverse to a fellow cipher, granted he\'d proved a good basher that wouldn\'t turn stag on me. But you could be a knight of the cross-trade for the bloody bleakers! A blood\'s gotta be peery around here if he wants to get some bodies without getting peeled. Even though the chant is that the bleakers are just a bunch of addle-coved bubbers that rattle their bone-box on here while their real kip hits the blinds, a cutter\'s gotta be wary if he wants to be a high-up man and not lose his case from under his feet!
<><><> :] :D 8) :P <><><>
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There has been yet another update to the website.
This version (v3?) includes a new logo designed by Kada-El. I am very proud to show it off. She did a great job and it\'s worth checking out!
I have also included on the website our newest proposed member, Josanator. I haven\'t spoken to him yet, but he started a thread yesterday regarding joining a guild, and I am very pleased that after I gave him a link to the website he chose us.
If any of the rest of you are guildless, homeless, restless, or feel just plain lost, this is the time to join. Though we are invite-only, I\'m the only one you have to please right now! So come on and start filling out those applications.
See you in Yliakum!
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wow! it\'s already the 9th where you live? *pointing up*
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Um... nope. It\'s Saturday, Nov. 8, about half past noon :P
I haven\'t bothered to adjust the time zones on the forums to fit where I live, which is in Tennessee :D
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well then it was a typo, the n00b of n00bs posted that today.
DA is on your watch list?!
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No.... maybe I should put a horizontal rule in there for clarity?
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v3.1 --> Is that better? ^.^
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Yeah and maybe a title- like allies or sth that doesn\'t sounds bad.
I don\'t see any
yet.
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I thought the allies thing was covered in that whole Dark Alliance :P
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When i read it, i get the impression it\'s just the continuation of the list. No
yet. There\'s no clear distinction. IMHO oc course.
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Refresh it now.
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And yeah, I understand where you were coming from. I always appreciate constructive criticism ^^
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The star background does nothing for the site and Frames is always a bad idea. Poor construction from a useability point of view.
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ehh well im not really one to be picky about how a website is made.So I cant really give any suggestions. As long it doesnt say \"error 404: page not found\" im totally ok with it.
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nope. still nuthin.
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How about I leave my site which most everyone seems to like alone, then make a new site that has huge buttons that take up the entire page named very simple, easy-to-spell words, linking to pages that have no words over two syllables. That could be the mirror site for \"special\" people like Savion.
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Just saying, from a web design point of view, frames are bad. In your case, it is like loading 4 pages at once. Bad for people with slow connections.
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For people with slow connections, I would agree. But very few people are running \"slow\" computers that play PlaneShift. Mine is minimum requirements almost all the way around and I load the page *just fine*
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Don\'t get me wrong. I load the site fine too. Just warning you. Then again, why listen to Savion? He has No idea what he is talking about...
wow I love being sarcastic
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Nah I appreciate the comments/warning.
I\'m not the world\'s best web-page designer.
I am going to leave it be for now, though. It ain\'t broke, so why fix it? :D
Anyways, you\'re a much more tolerable person when you\'re being constructive, Savion.
You\'re still an idiot in every other thread tho :P
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Yet again, not sure weather or not to take that as a compliment or not.
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Savion is right(OMG what am i sayin\' ;)), frames are obsolete technology and every browser does them differently so the site might not work for everyone. Since the contents are small all can be done without damage with tables.
Did you really do any changes?
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Yeah, I changed it, and no, I\'m not taking down the frames.
I come from the old way to bulid websites. I pre-date DHTML and all that from the last time I did it. I am *horrible* at tables.
You guys are way too picky :P
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Don\'t see any hr\'s. What did you change or is it just in\"opera\"tible?
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I didn\'t use
Changed my mind.
What I did (obvious?) was space it out and put my little spacer img in there.
Don\'t see it? (http://sky.prohosting.com/~johnbay/policy.html)
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I see it only on that link(a bit large huh?). Your sig link is still the same resulty.
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Maybe something to do with the size of your screen.
But, anyways, I\'m not the world\'s best page designer.
It\'s not broken, and that suits me :D
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what do you mean its not broken? every link goes out of your site.
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his web site works fin if your too s***** to work it out well thats your problem.....
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I run IE on 800x600. Evidently IE is not a popular choice among you folks...
Annah will be re-making the site shortly. Just give up the topic for now.
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Remake it all you want. Nothing, no site nor words, will ever make your guild great.
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I would like all my allies to post here or PM me with a status report on how things are going. I\'ve been noticing little communication lately. (Probably because I\'ve been sick all weekend and had nothing better to do than argue with a bunch of folks about nonsense. Sorry about that.) Anyways, In-Character mode on, useless mode off. Here\'s the people I need to hear from and what I\'d like to know about.
Dark Empire: Recruiting
Annah: Rebuilding
FSO: Members (DevotedEternal)
Josanator: Still here?
I\'d also like to announce that we have our fourth member (assuming Josanator still counts...)
Tenelil T\'Vexen
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All those allies and only 2 or 3 members? What\'s the point?
ATTENTION ALL NON BLACKFLAME CLANS:
It is ill advised to ally with such a weak power... or you will end up with a weak, useless, and possilby dead guild.
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Savion should stop talking in the third person. Savion is giving even one more reason for making Yarulion\'s head hurt :D
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Savion no longer talks about himself in the first person. He no longer has the ability to. Savion was beaten a few too many times by Adrift\'s belt...
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So now you\'re copying Gollum instead of MTG? :rolleyes:
Give it a freakin\' rest.