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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: lynx_lupo on December 23, 2003, 03:23:07 pm
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Ok, I\'m nearly independant with linux, but I still need win$ for the games. My current are fsked up, so I need to reinstall.
Which one to pick?
- win98: I\'ve been using these most of the time, so I know how they don\'t work..., but they\'re getting obsolete
-win2k, winXP: not much XP here, but they\'re newer, more stable(?)..., but I don\'t know them so good and many times they have compatibility issues
What to choose?
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Get win XP.... Much better than 98 for games, even if there is much less freedom. 8)
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I\'ll go with Xord here. Xp ties up programmers as much as other NT class OS\'es. But since you are a linux guy that isn\'t a really big issue. And as for the issue of game playing the thumb rule goes \"the newer the better\".:)
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Originally posted by Auran
And as for the issue of game playing the thumb rule goes \"the newer the better\".:)
Unless ofcourse you want to play old DOS games, Windows XP hates DOS games.
So I just dual-boot W98 and WXP, since I have a lot of old games that won\'t work well on XP.
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hm. That\'s a problem then. I also like playing Golden Axe or Liero(I know it\'s not old) or other prehistorics(not Prehistoric;)).
hmhmhmmm. uf, I\'ll wait for some more replies.
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winxp doesn\'t work at all with dos games, i\'ve been trying to get liero working on this new computer, winxp just refuses to run it..
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Well if liero doesn\'t work...then I\'m sticking to win98 :D
Any happy win2000 users?
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lynx_lupo,
Have you heard of \"wine\" and \"winex\"? They seem to do a good job of running Windows applications (and I think winex is a special flavor that is built specifically for running games) under Linux. When I tried it out a long time ago, I could play StarCraft, Q3A (which you can actually get native code for Linux :P), and D2 all under wine and they worked pretty well. I think you have to pay something for winex but it actually goes to paying people to work on it (so they can make more things comptible, like DX9, etc.)
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I\'ve heard of it. And dosemu. But emulators are slower and unreliable(at least from my and my friend\'s xp)... I need win$ anyway(for my inflexible family).
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I\'d vote for win2k, with a recent service pack (n? 4 is the latest IIRC). You\'ll have something stable, without all the useless stuff added in XP if you just want to double-click on icons to play games. With all the useless services deactivated, win2k usually uses 60 MB of RAM after booting.
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ive never used anything but windows 98...well ive seen other OS\'s but i havnt really got to mess with em. But I like my win98 :D
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get 2000... it is by far the most stable, provided you have service packs up to date..
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Yup, Im running Win2k Pro and am happy with it. From personal experience Ive had better luck with it than Win XP... speed wise and compatability wise.
Win 98 I try not to touch anymore... I had a lot of problems with that getting the BSoD, and I\'m glad you didnt put Win ME on that list... cause that one is even worse :P
Anyways... so I\'d vote for the newer ones.. either Win2k or Win XP.
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go for win2k cos xp is just the worst, id rather use winME than xp
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XP is \"user-friendly\" to the point of annoyance and uses a lot more system than an OS should be welcome to. Some of that can be fixed by changing the limited options in gives you. If your system has specs to spare and you\'re only running modern games, it\'ll do well and has been rock solid stable for me. I used Win2K for development mostly, but it\'s nice and clean without the annoying frilliness of XP, with even better stability and efficiency. Being NT based could make it a pain with some games... but I\'m pry just thinking of older versions, and like Xalthar said with all the SP updates I\'ll bet it\'s fine there.
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Ok, thanks everybody for your posts, I choose win2k.
--------------------------------joke time :)
Source Code of Window$
#include \'win31.h\'
#include \'win95.h\'
#include \'evenmore.h\'
#include \'oldstuff.h\'
#include \'billrulz.h\'
#include \'monopoly.h\'
#define INSTALL = HARD
char make_prog_look_big[1600000];
void main()
{
set_video(card,historicVGA);
set_video(resolution,300*200);
set_video(max_colour,1);
system_colour(light_black,dark_black);
resources(system_memory=RAM/4);
resources(user_resources=((Pi*2)/9)*rand(0.9);
while(!CRASHED)
{
display_copyright_message();
display_bill_rules_message();
do_nothing_loop();
if (first_time_installation)
{
make_50_megabyte_swapfile();
do_nothing_loop();
totally_screw_up_HPFS_file_system();
search_and_destroy_the_rest_of_OS/2();
disable_Netscape();
disable_RealPlayer();
disable_Corel_Products();
hang_system();
}
write_something(anything);
display_copyright_message();
do_nothing_loop();
do_some_stuff();
if (still_not_crashed)
{
display_copyright_message();
do_nothing_loop();
basically_run_windows_3.1();
do_nothing_loop();
do_nothing_loop();
}
}
if (detect_cache())
disable_cache();
if (fast_cpu())
{
set_wait_states(lots);
set_mouse(speed, very_slow);
set_mouse(action, jumpy);
set_mouse(reaction, sometimes);
}
/* printf(\'Welcome to Windows 3.11\'); */
/* printf(\'Welcome to Windows 95\'); */
printf(\'Welcome to Windows 98\');
if (system_ok())
crash(to_dos_prompt)
else
system_memory = open(\'a:\\swp0001.swp\', O_CREATE);
while(something)
{
sleep(5);
get_user_input();
sleep(5);
act_on_user_input();
sleep(5);
}
create_general_protection_fault();
}
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Originally posted by lynx_lupo
Ok, thanks everybody for your posts, I choose win2k.
--------------------------------joke time :)
Source Code of Window$
#include \'win31.h\'
#include \'win95.h\'
#include \'evenmore.h\'
#include \'oldstuff.h\'
#include \'billrulz.h\'
#include \'monopoly.h\'
#define INSTALL = HARD
char make_prog_look_big[1600000];
void main()
{
set_video(card,historicVGA);
set_video(resolution,300*200);
set_video(max_colour,1);
system_colour(light_black,dark_black);
resources(system_memory=RAM/4);
resources(user_resources=((Pi*2)/9)*rand(0.9);
while(!CRASHED)
{
display_copyright_message();
display_bill_rules_message();
do_nothing_loop();
if (first_time_installation)
{
make_50_megabyte_swapfile();
do_nothing_loop();
totally_screw_up_HPFS_file_system();
search_and_destroy_the_rest_of_OS/2();
disable_Netscape();
disable_RealPlayer();
disable_Corel_Products();
hang_system();
}
write_something(anything);
display_copyright_message();
do_nothing_loop();
do_some_stuff();
if (still_not_crashed)
{
display_copyright_message();
do_nothing_loop();
basically_run_windows_3.1();
do_nothing_loop();
do_nothing_loop();
}
}
if (detect_cache())
disable_cache();
if (fast_cpu())
{
set_wait_states(lots);
set_mouse(speed, very_slow);
set_mouse(action, jumpy);
set_mouse(reaction, sometimes);
}
/* printf(\'Welcome to Windows 3.11\'); */
/* printf(\'Welcome to Windows 95\'); */
printf(\'Welcome to Windows 98\');
if (system_ok())
crash(to_dos_prompt)
else
system_memory = open(\'a:\\swp0001.swp\', O_CREATE);
while(something)
{
sleep(5);
get_user_input();
sleep(5);
act_on_user_input();
sleep(5);
}
create_general_protection_fault();
}
LMAO..... i especially like the include libraries and the welcome text remmed out :D But funny stuff all around.. did u make that or find it somewhere?
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Semi, I\'ve read it sometime ago in a magazine, even scanned it, but couldn\'t find the pic, so i googled away and joined some of the versions.
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(a little late but...)
Personally I like Win98, I have it on one computer.
I extremely hate WinME, it crashes about every 25-30 minutes, literally.
WinXP is ok, especially since I have some computer illiterate persons in my family. :(
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As a wintendo i suggest win2k or winxp (who cares if it\'s annoying to use, it\'s a wintendo...)
Dosbox works very well with most DOS games, as long as they aren\'t too recent (protected-mode...)
Wine is free, as is winex as long as you build from CVS. Wine works on adding general support of the win32 API (moreso than winex at any rate), while WineX focuses on getting applications and games to work (by being a paying customer you gain the right to vote on which games to be worked on, and the right to make votes on the same subject (along with support, extra functionality ++ ) )
If you would supply a full list of games that you wish to run, it would be easier to make a educated reccomendation.
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yea, wintendo installs are bound to be unstable :/
for games only i think an XP would be ok.
but follow some simple rules:
- do not try to tweak the appearence or anything else to please you ...the bugger will die (did on me, when i still used win)
- for every game follow these steps:
1) check if there\'s a linux port or if it is even native
2) check if it works with any of the emulators or game engines.
3) if the two above fail, boot into wintendo
when it comes to winxp against linux emulators i\'d give the point to the emulators ...especially when it comes to old games.
some fine examples of emulatators and engines:
- quake, wolf and doom (and other ID) engines
- scummvm and freesci (for old adventure games)
- exult (for ultima VII)
- dosbox (for other dos games)
- winex (for win* games, works great ...but at a monthly fee ...you can get it quite legally even without paying since its GPL, but shush)
- wine (for win* apps and games)
- zsnes (snes emulator)
- epsxe (PS emulator)
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What you people keep overlooking is that WINE isn\'t an emulator (Hence the name WINE Is Not an Emulator). WINE performace is very high when compared to true emulators. WINE basically just implements the DOS, Win16, and Win32 APIs so programs can run even in the absense of a Windoze OS. There\'s also a WINE library that allows you to run Win* API programs without the WINE runtime, but, of course, you need the program\'s source for that.
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i\'ve heard people saying some proggies and games even run faster through wine(x) then natively ...mostly because there is less bloat.
and this is not a joke or just rumour!
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i\'ve heard people saying some proggies and games even run faster through wine(x) then natively ...mostly because there is less bloat.
True (for some games, not all, true for me in HL, GTA 3, GTA 3 vice city and a few others, don\'t play a lot of games on my linux, hehe)
yea, wintendo installs are bound to be unstable :/
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False, win xp and 2k are pretty stable as long as you only install the essentials, win 98 SE needs quite a bit of tweaking to become stable.
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Originally posted by Rulzern
False, win xp and 2k are pretty stable as long as you only install the essentials, win 98 SE needs quite a bit of tweaking to become stable.
like when you install it the regular way :D
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i was pretty sure i mentioned before that winxp works ok unless you tweak stuff. sorry if i didn\'t.
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Well if liero doesn\'t work...then I\'m sticking to win98
Actually, what you could try is NiL : http://nil.sourceforge.net/
It\'s a Linux Clone of Leiro. You might be able to find clones of some of the other dos games you play too if you look hard enough.
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Thanks! I completely forgot about NiL. But I need an easygoing game for win$, that\'s why I was asking about Liero.
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i think i can beat both the liero and NiL links (since both projects are dead)
check this out: http://www.bankiz.org
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Hey, just to let you know, I\'ve gotten Liero working in Win XP. A bit extreme, but here\'s how:
1. Boot into Safe Mode with Command Prompt: Restart, then begin tapping F8 as soon as the BIOS is loaded. Select \"Safe mode with command prompt\" from the menu.
2. You\'ll see a dos command line, navigate to Liero and run it.
3. Enjoy.