PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: -FoX- on January 07, 2004, 11:49:42 pm
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Me again, think it wood (hehehe) be hand if their could be a progress report happening every once and a while weather it be on the NEWS section at the site, or if on here... Also if their is any GUESTEMATIONS on release date of the actual game.
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thats probably how much they\'ve got done ever since release, but when CB comes out ill give them
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release date prob before febuary, if not then stop asking :)
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I guess part of the issue, as well, is that many of the reports may not make much sense and others would not make sense to announce.
For example, if we said that we are in the process now of converting our spr models to skeleton versions using the cal3d library then that would not mean much to many.
Similarly if we said, here\'s a new creature, here\'s what it looks like, here\'s all it\'s vital stats then you loose the \'wow\' factor when seeing it in game.
I do agree though that we are a bit \'light\' on the news reports but they are not as easy to create as you might think. :)
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Originally posted by acraig
For example, if we said that we are in the process now of converting our spr models to skeleton versions using the cal3d library then that would not mean much to many.
But those that do understand it would worship you for saying it. ;)
Anyway, if you need a progress report so badly, go checkout the CVS and see the progress for yourself... Its not for the faint of heart, though...
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Well, seeing that dwarf model in game after a long time is really inspiring to see. Vengeance put in a hell of a lot of work there in trying to work in 4 different cvs repositories at once and have a working system at the end of it. I think people will be really suprised how much cooler characters and the monsters will look with this new system.
The next tasks here are to test the equiping of items to see if any work is needed there and to test the texture customization so you can select different things in character creation. ( Like in MB )
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acraig, how about a progress report like, CB may be out sometime this time or another, or even something like, we\'re getting alot of work done, or we\'re getting more work done then planned (recently) so CB could be out anytime now, or something like ur last post how things are looking great and what this release would mainly test
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So basically, all you want is the release date for CB, right?
Well there\'s one main reason why the devs don\'t weekly update people on what they think will be the deadline: They don\'t want to disappoint their fans.
Think about it. One week they might announce that their work is coming along great and, at that speed, the game could be released in as little as 2 weeks. Everyone gets excited at the news. But then a week later they announce that one of the main programmers (say, Vengeance) has been extremely busy with life lately, and the work has fallen behind schedule. Now the release date may be as much as a month later. Everyone = hugely disappointed.
So please, don\'t keep pushing them for dates. These wonderful people work on this project in their spare time. It\'s not their job- yes, they have real, money making jobs aswell, so you can start to understand how difficult it is for a group of volunteers to meet deadlines under the circumstances. They will release Crystal Blue when it is ready, and not a moment sooner... because they are totally commited to bringing us something worthy of our continued support over the months and years. I say they deserve some peace and quiet about it for once, no? :)
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aye, i agree with moogie. i can only imagine the kind of stuff they might be putting themselves through just to do what they\'re doing now and on top of that, ive seen these guys more active on the boards than any other dev team that ive seen.
i say a toast to the makers of planeshift. *raises a glass of red wine*
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SHhhhhh Dont use the word or people will start getting spasams ! :O
Any way ps is a Free game the Devs arn\'t getting paied so naturaly things will come slow we\'ll just have to wait like good boys and girls at the candy store while it restocks i mean at least half of you guys have waited 4 years for WC3 so whats wrong in waiting a few more months
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Originally posted by Mogura
So basically, all you want is the release date for CB, right?
Well there\'s one main reason why the devs don\'t weekly update people on what they think will be the deadline: They don\'t want to disappoint their fans.
Think about it. One week they might announce that their work is coming along great and, at that speed, the game could be released in as little as 2 weeks. Everyone gets excited at the news. But then a week later they announce that one of the main programmers (say, Vengeance) has been extremely busy with life lately, and the work has fallen behind schedule. Now the release date may be as much as a month later. Everyone = hugely disappointed.
So please, don\'t keep pushing them for dates. These wonderful people work on this project in their spare time. It\'s not their job- yes, they have real, money making jobs aswell, so you can start to understand how difficult it is for a group of volunteers to meet deadlines under the circumstances. They will release Crystal Blue when it is ready, and not a moment sooner... because they are totally commited to bringing us something worthy of our continued support over the months and years. I say they deserve some peace and quiet about it for once, no? :)
Well i see mthe npoint but it is much easier to look forward to a certain date rather than just waiting...well i set a date for myself...to look foward to..it is 30th of January...:P
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ya, i\'d rather be disappointed then not know alittle bit, and yes i know ppl have life probs, i get them alot, and maybe we need to be disappointed every once in awhile, i know it\'d do me some good every once in awhile but thats up to u mods and devs if u tell :S
and i know what point ur trying to make, that u would rather us not know instead of being disappointed because it was goin along great and then got slowed up and then comes alot of questions about why and such :( so thx for the info anyways
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I\'m new to Planeshift and I must say it is not easy to tell wether the project is being worked on or not from what I could find on the web site. I agree it\'s a bad idea to estimate any dates for the final release, because it would put a lot of pressure on everybody. But I would love to see a little info about what\'s the next step and when it is hoped to be done (+/- a month or so). I promise I won\'t be disappointed if the team would be way behind that schedule. But such info would make me feel more in touch with the project.
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I don\'t see why you feel that way, Linulo. The news on the main website has been pretty well updated these last few months.
Maybe it\'s a little quiet, but I\'d rather they work on the game than waste time spoiling every little detail of CB to people who just can\'t wait. :P
By the way, welcome to PlaneShift. :)
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Originally posted by Mogura
I don\'t see why you feel that way, Linulo. The news on the main website has been pretty well updated these last few months.
Sorry, I may have put it badly (English not being my mother language). What I meant was I would love to read anything about the next step in the project. Wouldn\'t need to be a complete roadmap nor too specific (\"spoiler\"). Just something like:
Next release:
- Model and Animation for another race
- Testing weapon wielding
- Falling damage, dying, respawning.
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\"everything\" is in the history file in the cvs, it\'s updated about twice a day, most stuff is like this though:
- Added setting of -g3 option for the debug mode ( ./configure -enable-debug ) in the Jamrule file.
The old modus.jam file isn\'t parsed anymore.
- Changed link line for client to include gui lib before paws lib.
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Still, this refers only to what has been done, not to what is going to be done.
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The website tells almost everything the devs are planning to have in the game on the Setting, Races, Economy, etc pages.
As for things to be in the next version, why not keep it a suprise? Of course, once it is released, the devs will explain the contents of Crystal Blue. But untill then, there\'s absolutely no rush.
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lol, I just look at the cvs every so often. From looking back a few weeks you can tell what they\'re working on, and what they\'ve done. This is enough to keep me going, I don\'t wanna know everything that is gonna be in CB. :P :D
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oh and linulo, welcome to PS and i hope ya can enjoy the game enough till CB comes out, but i dont see how it would put too much pressure on everybody, other then its gettin close to coming out, but noones perfect so ppl shouldnt an estimate time is gonna be right, even the release date isnt gonna be anywhere close depending on how much attention it gets
but anyways, if ya need any help gettin on or anything ask on a tech forums and if im on ill help ya (if i can)
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So, you can\'t even give a pessismistic ETA? Like, say, March 12th or something? Seeing as I don\'t speak GameDevelopereese...
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how bout we all say CB will be out at the end of 2004...then when it comes out 10 months earlier....everyone will be really really happy 8) yup yup sounds good to me :))
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What acraig and Mogura\'s first posts in these threads are really great and totally true.
The other thing to say on this subject is that this game isn\'t really taking that long to make compared to pro games. Look at EQ (4 years to first release), WOW (4 years and still not close), DE (3 years and not as done as PS), etc. And they had big full time teams of developers. NWN took 4 years and had 78 people working on it.
We have about 3 steady coders, not 78. :-)
The reason this seems very slow is because you guys are getting to see the process first hand instead of hearing about the game in some press release when it is already 75% done.
Games are big, hard to write, and take time--especially when your wife makes you clean the house every time you fire up the laptop. ;-)
- Venge
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of you do decide to post all that stuff make it where you cant see it unless yiu clearly have the intention of seeing it, i dont want to have the surprise spoled for me honestly
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The person who drew the ascii progress-bars was joking, but seriously, why not?
Pros :
People can see that progress is happening, without knowing exactly what it is (and thus no spoiler)
Rough estimation of how complete it is, with no release date (and hence no deadline)
should not be too dificult to impliment - simply a row of images, some with that section filled in, some not
(I should point out that I cannot be sure on this point, I only know very limmited HTML, and no PHP)
Cons :
gives very little information about what is happening, less than the somewhat spasmodic news postings. However, the news-postings are still good, I see no need to do away with them.
It will need to be maintained. Someone will have to decide how complete it is on a semi-regular basis (2x weekly?)
it will probably not be accurate. But that\'s not very surprising, considering the accuracy of progress-bars in general, combined with the un-certian nature of programming (EG: commercial game release schedules) - it cannot be helped if a major bug is found at 99% which holds up the release.
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My opinion: Useless.
If one doesn\'t have more important things to do than constantly bug the developpers, he\'d better get a life.
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Well said Devs dont talk to us do your work !
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Monketh nailed it ... I am sure it\'s March 12th.
I\'m taking bets of two rubies to one emerald it\'s within 14 days of that date ... any takers?
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i bet ya 10 circles (after release date) thats its gonna be around febuary, and im talkin 5 days before febuary to 5 days after febuary
any takers ;)
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I think it the next release will come out the first week of februari. (I hope februari 2004 ;)
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Umm...yeah, just to say about this \"suprise\" thing, hopefully the info will be released at least a day or two before CB, since it would be stupid to throw people into i without them knowing anything...I\'m not saying everything, but the basic controls and stuff, like what you can do and can\'t...we don\'t get a manual or anything like in other games and I think to have it before would get rid of the questions
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Crystal Blue will take at least another 2 months i think, and I\'m sure giving out a manual or something now it would only create more questions then there already were.
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Originally posted by Kiern
the info will be released at least a day or two before CB
READ
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I read it already, there are other posts here then just yours.. -_-
I don\'t see what\'s the use of giving out all information of what you can do 1 or 2 days before the actual release either, that would ruin the suprise completely..
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Again, I mean basic stuff...such as the controls, if we can crouch (:P), etc. nothing like, are we able to go through walls, what races...and if you reply right after my post and say something about manuals when it\'s not said in the whole thread (except the one right above), everyone is going to assume you are replying to mine.
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Well I said to add two months on to the initial release date so if it comes out in February I was about right. But I have enough stuff to occupy me while waiting.
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OMG OMG OMG, there doing all this in there spare time???? :| WOW, worshipping them would be right. I though this was some school thing.
WOW, Im really going to worship those guys
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I agree with Vengeance. this is deffintly a case of the watched pot never boils. The Abundince of the information is what makes us think there is a lack of it.
So my advice is to stop cheaking every day or every other day for updates. Come back in a couple o weeks then when you find out it did get updated you\'ll be happy.
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Ya know i may be new to Planeshift (started yesterday)
but I know how long it can take to design a game. Being a DM it takes me hours to craft an adventure for my PCs. And i have designed PC RPGs using RPG Maker 2003.(1 weekend = 10min play time) So I say goodshow Devs. When CB comes out it comes out. Remember Patience is a virtue :)
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i agree with the vets on this forum, let the devs do their work, otherwise it\'ll take that much longer for them to finish the next version. venge, acraig, paxx and the rest of the team are doing an incredible job! besides, i\'d rather be able get the update and be all like \"OMFG!\" instead of like \"so this is what they meant...\"