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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: shangralah on January 23, 2004, 03:23:08 am

Title: about the weapons
Post by: shangralah on January 23, 2004, 03:23:08 am
is it true the money will refunded for your weapons when you transfer crystals into tria? cause i was gonna sell my sword for real cheap but someone told me this.
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Post by: dfryer on January 23, 2004, 03:38:58 am
Because this has been discussed in many places, for varying amounts of time, and to different conclusions, it\'s hard to get a clear picture unless you put a lot of work in.

The current situation is: Maybe.  I believe Xordan may be working on a web interface that lets you sell your stuff back.  Take a look around for the myriad other threads which address the situation.

Another thing to think about is \"hey, does it really matter?\"  Some of us are unable to collect any crystals :)
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Post by: Kixie on January 23, 2004, 04:30:04 am
that is true dfyer and thats why i think we should start with a clean slate and no stuff in our inventory.
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Post by: shangralah on January 23, 2004, 07:23:00 pm
yes it matters .... it really does matter
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Post by: Quwaar on January 23, 2004, 07:47:18 pm
I dont play PS anymore till CB comes out because is quite pointless.
OK, you get to know a lot of pll on PS, but if we start over again its of no use.

And if we might be able to maintain our crystals in money shape it would be great :)
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Post by: Umpapa on January 27, 2004, 10:26:47 am
I am in favor of the keep the money idea.. and heck sure.. sell the item back idea for money.   I am not infavor of the start over idea for sure.   lol I have already given up way to many study hours of my college  this semester to just say.. hmm ok sure fresh slate.  
Sure I have done this as a personal choice.. and you may say.. no sweat off your back.. restart everyone.  But I would like to see at least some thing back for the many many hours of mindlessly collecting crystals in hopes that it would have some type of payoff in the end.

Besides who would want to go to the movies with friends, or the lake, or BBQ\'s when you can be hording crystals.  muahahahahh

Flame away.  I know I am gonna get some flames on this.. lol it is 3 am.
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Post by: Karyuu on January 28, 2004, 12:24:50 am
I agree with Umpapa... but only because I\'m crystal-obsessed :P

That, and I really want a sabre and I\'m going to get one -even- if it\'s utterly pointless and stupid.... and it would be nice to ultimately get a refund on such pointlessness.
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Post by: rumblebelly on January 28, 2004, 03:50:19 am
i agree it would be nice to see crystal\'s become currency after all it took along time to get what meager horde i have now but i\'m also not going to hold my breath for it if we have to start over again then i will go with the flow :o)
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Post by: Ald'Amun Dungeonrunner on January 28, 2004, 09:58:14 pm
I\'d be somewhat upset if I lost my crystals after I spent so many on a weapon, not that I did this is an entirely hypothetical situation...I probably won\'t spend my crystals anywho though...
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Post by: Kixie on January 28, 2004, 10:02:00 pm
its so selfish of you people to love your crystals so much. its being an irrisponsible beta tester. all of you are beta testers if you have even played the game once. so having selfish needs like wanting crystals and throwing fits if you dont keep them in the next version is a selfish, childlike and overall very irrisponsible beta testing.
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Post by: Ald'Amun Dungeonrunner on January 28, 2004, 10:04:48 pm
It\'s not being selfish to want to keep the items you worked for, being selfish would be asking to be paid for beta testing. GIVE ME ITEMS BECAUSE I TOLD YOU ABOUT THAT GLITCH! That\'s selfish...
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Post by: Kixie on January 28, 2004, 10:07:58 pm
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Originally posted by Ald\'Amun Dungeonrunner
It\'s not being selfish to want to keep the items you worked for, being selfish would be asking to be paid for beta testing. GIVE ME ITEMS BECAUSE I TOLD YOU ABOUT THAT GLITCH! That\'s selfish...


yes but all of you are saying \"i deserve to keep my crystals because im playing your game!\"

thats along the same lines and very selfish.
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Post by: Ald'Amun Dungeonrunner on January 28, 2004, 10:09:44 pm
i didn\'t say i deserve it because i play the game...i didnt say i deserve it at all...im just hoping that i\'ll be able to keep them is all...
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Post by: Xordan on January 28, 2004, 10:11:28 pm
Ok, here\'s what is probably going to happen:

The script to change your weapons back to crystals is finished. It\'ll be uploaded as soon as the devs have the time to do so. (Hopefully soon)

A rough web form has been made to transfer your crystals to tria, but I don\'t think it\'s finished yet. At the moment, this will be the conversion rate (subject to changes):

1 ruby = 1 tria
1 emerald = 1 octa
1 diamond = 1 circle

I hope this answers all your questions.
Be aware that this is what is PLANNED to happen.
It\'s not 100% definate until is up and running.
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Post by: Kiern on January 28, 2004, 10:12:07 pm
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Originally posted by whemyfield
its so selfish of you people to love your crystals so much. its being an irrisponsible beta tester. all of you are beta testers if you have even played the game once. so having selfish needs like wanting crystals and throwing fits if you dont keep them in the next version is a selfish, childlike and overall very irrisponsible beta testing.


That\'s very true, and it was said from the start that all our stuff would be wiped so we would have no advantage over anyone else...but as everyone knows, they changed ideas (which they are allowed to do) and can always change it back to that way whenever they feel like it...such as will our stuff be kept after CB?  That\'s what\'s really important I think, who knows..

EDIT: Wow, crystals will count that much?  I can\'t say I agree with that, circles should be a lot more rare...I was thinking it would be more like 10 ruby = 1 tria, or even 100...but whatever, doesn\'t matter to me :)
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Post by: Xordan on January 28, 2004, 10:16:56 pm
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Wow, crystals will count that much? I can\'t say I agree with that, circles should be a lot more rare...I was thinking it would be more like 10 ruby = 1 tria, or even 100...but whatever, doesn\'t matter to me


I\'m only saying this from what I\'ve seen on the web form itself. This\'ll probably change, so no promises. :D
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Post by: Kiern on January 28, 2004, 10:20:18 pm
heh, I know, just the thought of me actually having money was shocking and made me feel like something was wrong there :P

EDIT: to the dude below: I don\'t think you should be talking about \"fair\" when they weren\'t even going to give you any
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Post by: Taldor on January 28, 2004, 10:20:31 pm
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Originally posted by Xordan
1 ruby = 1 tria
1 emerald = 1 octa
1 diamond = 1 circle

That should not be fair. A diamond is ten times more worth then an emmy, but a circle is only five octa\'s. So I think it shoud be: 1 diamond = 2 [EDIT]octas[/EDIT].
[EDIT]To the dude above: I know that and I don\'t have any diamonds.[/EDIT]
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Post by: Kixie on January 28, 2004, 11:26:14 pm
see this is what i was talking about kiern. people now seeing the prospect of keeping their worth of crystals are already trying to negotiate. horrible. they will just ask for more and more. it has to stop. EMPTY INVENTORYS!!!
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Post by: Xordan on January 28, 2004, 11:31:32 pm
nah, just ignore. :D Damn ungrateful wretches!!! :D
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Post by: RussianVodka on January 28, 2004, 11:37:29 pm
Here is the problem: i have bin playing for some time (then i quit and decided to wait for the next version) and i have colected 40 rubies and 4 emerald, so i think that means that i will have about 80 tria... well the thing is that a person who just starts can select to be rich and apear with 100 tria more.. So, a person who has just entered the game will have more $$ than me who has bin playing for hours???
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Post by: Sinon on January 29, 2004, 12:14:00 am
But if a person chooses \'rich\' and get 100 trias extra, he will use some points that could have made his character for example stronger.
So when not taking \'rich\' you get a little less starting money but you also get a stronger character.
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Post by: Kixie on January 29, 2004, 12:25:18 am
plus theres nothing from stoping you from using rich and richer. anyways i dont think it will be used in cb anyways. people dont like the idea of it so the devs are thinking of not including it. i actually put it on all of my characters in mb but i doubt it will give me 500 tria in cb. 500 tria isnt that much anyways and on top of that tria wont be very important.
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Post by: Sinon on January 29, 2004, 01:21:18 am
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Originally posted by Taldor
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Originally posted by Xordan
1 ruby = 1 tria
1 emerald = 1 octa
1 diamond = 1 circle

That should not be fair. A diamond is ten times more worth then an emmy, but a circle is only five octa\'s. So I think it shoud be: 1 diamond = 2 circles.

But 1 octa is also worth 50 trias, and that makes it unfair the other way. So there it should be 5 emeralds = 1 octa.
Or better, if to follow the 1, 10, 100;
1 ruby = 1 tria
1 emerald = 1 hexa
1 diamond = 2 octas



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Originally posted by whemyfield
500 tria isnt that much anyways and on top of that tria wont be very important.

Trias is supposed to be the best coin and the main currency. And for 350 trias you should get \"a good steel sword\" as it says on the PS site.
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Post by: Kixie on January 29, 2004, 01:37:03 am
yeah and weapons described by the devs are supposed to be very easy to obtain. so obviously 350 tria should take you 10 minutes tops if your a noob. play pristontale. it takes you about 30 minutes to get a new weapons so be gratefull. plus if you have the rich and richer attributes are you going to be a hardcore fighter anyways. if your a fighter every stat counts. rich and richer are for noblemen and people who need money like buisnessmen. this might not even be implemented in cb anyways. just face it.. i got you pwned... :P
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Post by: RussianVodka on January 29, 2004, 01:38:43 am
Well, is there such thing as a \"bad steel sword\", i mean they could sell you a brocken one for less or something.
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Post by: Kixie on January 29, 2004, 01:44:03 am
yeah thats another good point russian.
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Post by: Taldor on January 29, 2004, 11:55:18 am
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Originally posted by Sinon
1 ruby = 1 tria
1 emerald = 1 hexa
1 diamond = 2 octas

Ok I was wrong, I mixed octas and circles. I changed it in my post.
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Post by: Xordan on January 29, 2004, 04:57:11 pm
Like I said. This will most likely change completly.... so I wouldn\'t worry about it. Just be grateful for what the Devs give ye.
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Post by: Axsyrus on January 29, 2004, 05:07:33 pm
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Originally posted by whemyfield
yeah and weapons described by the devs are supposed to be very easy to obtain. so obviously 350 tria should take you 10 minutes tops if your a noob. play pristontale. it takes you about 30 minutes to get a new weapons so be gratefull. plus if you have the rich and richer attributes are you going to be a hardcore fighter anyways. if your a fighter every stat counts. rich and richer are for noblemen and people who need money like buisnessmen. this might not even be implemented in cb anyways. just face it.. i got you pwned... :P


did you ever read the settings?

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As you can see, it\'s difficult for a farm worker to collect enough money for good equipment like swords, armor, etc. to venture into the Stone Labyrinths. Nevertheless, some try to save every Tria they can to pass on to their sons so that the son may search for a better life, which often sends them into trouble. This \"killing-by-kindness\" is one of the reasons that city is never overpopulated.


guess who \"pwned\" who now..
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Post by: Kixie on January 29, 2004, 05:19:50 pm
ya but are you gonna be a farmer? i doubt it... The devs have repeatedly said money is going to be very easy to obtain. so i still got you pwned.
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Post by: Saethan on January 29, 2004, 09:58:28 pm
Aren\'t there usually character wipes between each stage of testing in most mmog\'s?
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Post by: acraig on January 29, 2004, 10:05:36 pm
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Originally posted by Saethan
Aren\'t there usually character wipes between each stage of testing in most mmog\'s?


Yes, we are offering the ability, though, to \'reserve\' your Molecular Blue character name and your crystal count ( converted to money ) for the next release.  This will be an opt-in feature so you will have to sign up for it ( when we launch the site for it ).
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Post by: Keitac2000 on January 29, 2004, 10:30:07 pm
i assume it will be password locked like the merchant site?
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Post by: Xordan on January 29, 2004, 10:40:36 pm
Yes it will.

Molecular Blue Character Name:    
Molecular Blue Password:    
Email:    
Save Guild Name? ( Leaders only! )  Yes No  

Will look summin like this.
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Post by: RussianVodka on January 30, 2004, 12:08:25 am
Speaking of passwords, can you make it so now you password apears in *******\'s.(btw, thats not a curse)

Right now i have to keep my password prety simple and not use the ones i usualy do, because people like my bro can easily find it. And could you also make an option to change your password, cuz once CB comes out and your chars progress will actualy matter i dont want people other than me to go on my comp and start playing for my char...
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Post by: Axsyrus on January 30, 2004, 12:12:05 am
They\'ve done that already. Here\'s the quote from the CVS:
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Tue Nov 18 01:03:54 2003 UTC (2 months, 1 week ago) by vengeance2001
Committing patch by JacobBrown for stronger password authentication.
Also password widget now shows **** instead of actual password.
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Post by: zedd_owd on January 30, 2004, 12:28:07 am
i hope the dev devise a fair way of settling this issue.

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Post by: shangralah on January 30, 2004, 03:47:44 am
ill be happy with whatever .... i know some people are gonna hate me for this

if you think were selfish you can start out with a clean slate ....... even if you have rubies
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Post by: RussianVodka on January 30, 2004, 03:52:59 am
And what about me changing my password?
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Post by: KwartzTheKran on January 30, 2004, 10:24:45 am
ok... If any of the people who ive donated my 13000 rubies worth of stuff too feel like being kind and giving it back i would be very gratefull XD
lol just my luck, ah well,..

(ps. u dont really have to give it back guys i was only messing, although a small donation of thanks would be appreciated)
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Post by: Vengeance on January 30, 2004, 06:04:59 pm
Kwartz,

Our plan is to only reward selfishness and hoarding, not generosity and giving spirits.  :-)

- Vengeance
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Post by: Kixie on January 30, 2004, 06:13:23 pm
I WANT to start out with a clean slate. its way better RPing anyways. im probally gonna give it away and start a totally different character. I dont think anyone should start with trias, but if thier RPed character is supposed to be a rich nobleman i guess its ok with me... I know people whos character is supposed to be normal or poor will still get thier crystals transfered, and its fine with me. But i expect to feel like I earned my character entirely. Ill feel alot better molding my character from nothing then feeling selfish and making the devs count my crystals so i can have a couple extra bucks in the next version...
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Post by: Xordan on January 30, 2004, 06:31:05 pm
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Originally posted by RussianVodka
And what about me changing my password?


I dunno what the devs have planned for that. You won\'t get one for Mb, only Cb at the earliest. I\'ll ask someone. :D


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Originally posted by whemyfield making the devs count my crystals so i can have a couple extra bucks in the next version...


um... count???? lol :D
I\'m sure the devs will use those new-fangled thingys... what are they called... Ah, of course! COMPUTERS... pah, count them.... pffff. :P
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Post by: Kixie on January 30, 2004, 06:37:24 pm
well they were calling it a crystal count. i dont know what they are using to transfer the crystals. but even if they use the computers its still a count. the computers are counting. in other words some dev has to do work that really isnt necessary.
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Post by: KwartzTheKran on January 30, 2004, 08:29:24 pm
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Originally posted by Vengeance
Kwartz,

Our plan is to only reward selfishness and hoarding, not generosity and giving spirits.  :-)

- Vengeance


just like real life =) I might have to start a socialist guild =P
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Post by: shangralah on January 30, 2004, 08:37:53 pm
hehe sounds like a good plan kwartz  :P
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Post by: Xordan on January 30, 2004, 10:49:15 pm
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 in other words some dev has to do work that really isnt necessary.


I believe, that they\'ve already done the work..... check the CVS....
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Post by: Kixie on January 30, 2004, 10:51:43 pm
i wish i could... i wish.. i could....