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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: RussianVodka on January 27, 2004, 03:14:12 am
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What i have noticed happening to other MMORPGS is newbie guilds becoming more dominant than the original guilds... A lot of times this occurs because they just plain steel the ideas and theams of other guilds... To prevent this from happening I want to start an \"Original Guild Aliance\" (someone make up a cooler name)
This aliance will include guilds that were active before the release of CB. I think this is very important considering the amount of guilds that are already in PS and how they will effect the communisty... In other words this will keep the guilds that joined CB because its a great game not because \"all the cool people are doing it\"...
Sory my explanation is not that great, but i think it gets the basic idea across....
What do you think people???
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I think the newbies have every right to dominate the game if they have the wish and the ability. Mirth is not after power, so it will not upset us if a new order arises. Regardless, we will strive to bring Mirth to the Planeshift community.
I have serious doubts about how successful this idea will be, but you can certainly count Mirth out. 8)
:D :D :D :D :D
I actually got an A on my physics test! Woohoo!! (I\'m sad to say that my sudden cutback on PS time may have a lot to do with it.) X(
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What do you propose that this alliance do? Kill the newbs?
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I agree with the Pint man, if they are good enough to pull past the older guilds, more power to them.
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I agree somewhat. Only somewhat. I dont think more power to them really. Although that is what makes the game evolve (adopting ideas and improving upon them) So really I think guilds should be strictly kept. Making a guild should be harder than it currently is. And if your not an official guild then you should not be able to do important things that offcial ones can do. Eh i dont feel like thinking about this one too much so ill back to you later... or something. Ill make a post just as soon as Duke Nukem: Forever comes out for gamecube. :P
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I agree with the statement that if another guild forms and it is better at what it does than an older guild.. well that is called evolution.. it happens. But I do like the idea of forming maybe a guild leader forum where all the guild leaders post and or talk shop.. If there already is one and I missed it then I am blind and deserve to be flamed.).
COME ON CB.. woot.
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There are already some contracts and alliances between guilds, we don\'t need a general alliance. Politic is a part of the game :] . If good newbies guilds emerge on CB, it will be good for them ... and for us :)
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pls guys none of this alliance bs and like i dont reely see the need for guilds in pre-alpha (MB) and before that its like what do you expect people to go online and just do nuffin, anyway i meen u cant reely treat ur self differently buy saying oh yeh well my guild was made before alpha versions but wot did ur guild dop nuffin at all, all u did was create a guild thats it you did nuffin in game, websites dont matter coz i said ingame so dont make an alliance saying jus bcoz ur guild goes waybak u should be treated better n such, anyway most of you will prolly del ur chars for the new races, i havent made my proper char coz im wating for more races, i just reely hate people hoo think there gods of a game (especially if they played in pre-alpha) where they litterally did nothing
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Originally posted by whemyfield
Making a guild should be harder than it currently is. And if your not an official guild then you should not be able to do important things that offcial ones can do.
Yeah, I agree with you there, that\'s how I thought it was going to be, but doesn\'t look like it :P
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Originally posted by Avallok
pls guys none of this alliance bs and like i dont reely see the need for guilds in pre-alpha (MB) and before that its like what do you expect people to go online and just do nuffin, anyway i meen u cant reely treat ur self differently buy saying oh yeh well my guild was made before alpha versions but wot did ur guild dop nuffin at all, all u did was create a guild thats it you did nuffin in game, websites dont matter coz i said ingame so dont make an alliance saying jus bcoz ur guild goes waybak u should be treated better n such, anyway most of you will prolly del ur chars for the new races, i havent made my proper char coz im wating for more races, i just reely hate people hoo think there gods of a game (especially if they played in pre-alpha) where they litterally did nothing
Your answer is uinreadable. Please use plain words and punctuation when you write, you\'re not sending an SMS, and some people here aren\'t natively speaking english.
About this story of \"guild regulation\", I\'m against. Guilds are created, grow bigger, stagnate, decade and die. It is life!
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Originally posted by Kiern
Originally posted by whemyfield
Making a guild should be harder than it currently is. And if your not an official guild then you should not be able to do important things that offcial ones can do.
Yeah, I agree with you there, that\'s how I thought it was going to be, but doesn\'t look like it :P
I agree to this too. Maybe once housing is implemented only guilds that can afford a house can become official(this wouldn\'t stop any new guilds from appearing, they just have to build a strong organisation and make lots of money _before_ they make the guild official..).
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in reply to Axsyrus, I would still like the devs to regulate official guilds. IMHO i think there should be only about 30 guilds. That way each of them has a SPECIFIC direction and they dont seem to be based on the same ideals and objectives. One assassins guild, one holy fighters guild, one thieves guild, one underground mobster guild, one evil guild, one magic guild, one exploring guild, one or 2 guard guilds that can fight over different ideals, etc.
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That\'s stupid.
Firstly, there would be no competition.
Secondly, there is less room for creativity.
Thirdly, what if the magic guild sucks? You can\'t create your own.
Fourthly, it\'s hard to define exactly what a guild is.
Fifthly, there will be a lot of argument over it.
Sixthly, what will you do about existing guilds? Destroy one of them?
Seventhly, two guilds can be similar, but go about things in a completely differant way. Why should only one have the right to exist?
Lastly, people should be able to start a good guild if they want.
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Originally posted by Davis
That\'s stupid.
Firstly, there would be no competition.
Secondly, there is less room for creativity.
Thirdly, what if the magic guild sucks? You can\'t create your own.
Fourthly, it\'s hard to define exactly what a guild is.
Fifthly, there will be a lot of argument over it.
Sixthly, what will you do about existing guilds? Destroy one of them?
Seventhly, two guilds can be similar, but go about things in a completely differant way. Why should only one have the right to exist?
Lastly, people should be able to start a good guild if they want.
NO YOUR STUPID :P
Firstly, so what It would be better that way.
Secondly, creativity would be more important because since there is on official guild people would try to mold it and improve it instead of spamming up another guild.
thirdly, you can but it wont be official. too bad you should try to be a more active participant in your original guild
fourthly, thats what my system would cure since it would be official and word of the devs.
fifthly, so what screw em they should get more active in the participation of thier guiild
sixthly, no but its up to the devs if they are official.
seventhly, because they are obviously better and evolve more and have more active participants.
lastly, they can but it wont be official.
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Well it seems all the current \"non-guilds\" fit your vision more so then the guilds are even close to whemy :P I do have to agree with Davis on that part, it should be harder to become official, but once you are I don\'t think the devs should have anything to do with a certain guild individually other then if they were regular people.
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well, whemy, under your system, what would the difference between an official and non-official guild? You\'re explaining a lot of it away just by saying \"Yeah but they could just not be official\".
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my system is very easy to understand. make an unnoficial guild. once it gains momentum and you have a good number of members, say 100 or more then the devs notice you. if your morals and objectives are unique and they feel you are worthy you are an official guild with lots of responsibilities and lots of things are solved. end
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That\'s very different from what you said before.
But what makes an official guild different from an unnoficial one?
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no it isnt. also your driving this post in circles but i will answer you anyways. if your official you can make modified weapons (in another post) and other stuff which i said earlier in a post stuff i dont feel like explaining right now. but they would be things like making contests and be active with the devs to discuss what should be improved in the ps world. maybe there could even be a council of the guilds to discuss feuds and laws and crap...
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Originally posted by whemyfield
Making a guild should be harder than it currently is. And if your not an official guild then you should not be able to do important things that offcial ones can do.
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Yeah, I agree with you there, that\'s how I thought it was going to be, but doesn\'t look like it
They had a system to set up official guilds. You had to submit information and such to the devs and they would decide whether to make your guild or not. But seeing as how you can actually create a guild in game already I guess they scratched that idea.
As for the alliance thing. I disagree with it. New guilds will and should come along. We can\'t say that just because we were here first we should be the only one allowed. But you do what you want. The DE (One of the oldest in PS) won\'t be in it.
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Originally posted by whemyfield
no it isnt. also your driving this post in circles but i will answer you anyways. if your official you can make modified weapons (in another post) and other stuff which i said earlier in a post stuff i dont feel like explaining right now. but they would be things like making contests and be active with the devs to discuss what should be improved in the ps world. maybe there could even be a council of the guilds to discuss feuds and laws and crap...
You\'re still wrong.
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NO!! YOUR STILL WRONG :P! look if the developers choose which guilds would be official and gave them special things like customizable weapons the game would be alot cleaner and things would go alot more smoother.
people wouldnt have to find information on an unknown guild that has 3 members. i consider that spaming. making a guild becase your guild is stupid and wont listen to you is wrong. the developers should make a limited number of official guild and make the guild leaders listen and consider its member\'s imput.
people whining and starting a guild cus they hate one little thing. if you dont like how your guild is running and they dont listen to you, fine get out of it right then. but if you start a little group with a couple of your friends and its kinda like a gang or a permentant party then thats totally cool. But then you shouldnt expect to gain the same power as some of the guilds that have been working thier asses off for years!
Thats dumb, unfair, and retarded. Obviously if a guild survives 3 years, its survived for a reason. They are obviously doing something right and you stealing power just because you have a little disagreement is wrong.
My threads for future reference isnt for discouraging new guilds. I in fact want people to make guilds, but wanting them to be on the same level as a huge guild as soon as you start is selfish and dumb. Thats why guilds should have to be official.
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im not sure who the \"devs\" are im guessing that short for developers? anyways why should the devs monitar what guilds are made i mean its a good experience to try somthing new i mean if it doesnt work you fail but you can still learn somthing of the things that went wrong and what went right. i mean let people who want to create them create them i mean they could have great ideas that would surpass the older guilds but eventually the older guilds would find out what they were doing and could start doing it themselves. so really in this since you are punishing the new players for wanting to do as the oldies did eh russian?
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Ah! You changed your point again! Well, I completely agree with you now, Whemyfield.
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Originally posted by Davis
Ah! You changed your point again! Well, I completely agree with you now, Whemyfield.
no maybe i didnt explain myself clearly or explain things enough but i certainly never changed my ideas at all.. :P
and sir fishy, the devs have every right to do anything with their game and this post is to signify that i think they should keep all the power, they deserve it when they make free game they allow you to test (before beta i may add) for no reason.
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THis is a great free game... and what ever the devs do to it, you realy cant complain...
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It\'s quite simple. Those guilds that are pointless will die out. The guilds that are dedictaed and have a clear objective will last and even if they are new guilds, those are the kinds of guilds that are worth being around.
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i agree with Aendar natural selection will take its course
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didnt this post start out proving that it doesnt that way all the time. other games with guilds are running amuck with new guilds taht are powerfull but only have 4 people. they are powerfull cus they steal ideas. this is dumb and we should find a way to prevent it.
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As others have mentioned, I think we should just remove all the warning labels from commercial products and let the problem handle itself.
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OK to make my post more readable from before!
Plealse guys none of this alliance bs! I dont reely see the need for guilds in pre-alpha (MB). Its like all you can do now is just go online collect money and talk.
Anyway i meen you cant reely treat your self differently by saying \"oh yeh well my guild was made before alpha versions\" but what did your guild achieve the answer is nothing, all you did was create a guild, and literally did nothing in game, creating a website for your guild simply dusnt matter because i said ingame.
So dont make an alliance saying just because your guild goes wayback u should be treated differently (better), anyway most of you players who have created a character i know for a fact you dont use it (i dont blame you) most people will probably delete thier characters for the new races-when they get implemented. I havent yet made my proper character because im waiting patiently for a peticular race to come out.
I just realy hate people who think there gods of a game (especially if they played in pre-alpha) where they litterally did nothing!
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well this thread is more of a plan for the future anyways. no one really cares about the guilds in mb
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Originally posted by Davis
Thirdly, what if the magic guild sucks? You can\'t create your own.
Ouch i read that and it was like a slap in the face! 8o
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Originally posted by Avallok
OK to make my post more readable from before!
Anyway i meen you cant reely treat your self differently by saying \"oh yeh well my guild was made before alpha versions\" but what did your guild achieve the answer is nothing, all you did was create a guild, and literally did nothing in game, creating a website for your guild simply dusnt matter because i said ingame.
you are treading in an area they need not be entered, for those within will surely bite back at such an insult X(
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That is not an insult im simply saying there is no need for guilds/an alliance at this point of time, maybe the reason you could make a guild was for test purposes (but a highly doubt that)
Oh and what dus your guild do ingame, i rest my case!
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what does your guild do ingame? oh wait... you dont have one 8)
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what does your guild do ingame? oh wait... you dont have
LOL, your funny and wierd, read the quote again why would i want a guild?
Its like all the guilds say they have members when in actual fact most/none of those members even play and thats the truth.
Please dont get all bichy its just my opinion and dont post a comeback insulting me about this, im not trying to flam and i dont want to. Its my opinion if you dont like it dont read it and ignore me its as simple as that!
OK to make my post more readable from before!
Plealse guys none of this alliance bs! I dont reely see the need for guilds in pre-alpha (MB). Its like all you can do now is just go online collect money and talk.
Anyway i meen you cant reely treat your self differently by saying \"oh yeh well my guild was made before alpha versions\" but what did your guild achieve the answer is nothing, all you did was create a guild, and literally did nothing in game, creating a website for your guild simply dusnt matter because i said ingame.
So dont make an alliance saying just because your guild goes wayback u should be treated differently (better), anyway most of you players who have created a character i know for a fact you dont use it (i dont blame you) most people will probably delete thier characters for the new races-when they get implemented. I havent yet made my proper character because im waiting patiently for a peticular race to come out.
I just realy hate people who think there gods of a game (especially if they played in pre-alpha) where they litterally did nothing!
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Establishing a gbfehand allows you to get members, organization, ideas, a website, etc. and be better prepared when the game comes out. In fact, it\'s good to establishalliances early on, because then you can build up relationships and get a headstart on the game. Also, RP is fun, and you don\'t need a finished game for that.
Also, if you thikn most people\'s guild members don\'t
even play, then you are sadly mistaken.
You\'re right; I don\'t have to read your opinion. But it is wrong, and I have the decency to post why. Is that bad?
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we contribute, we are/were (not sure if we still are) on some of the weopns lists .
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Originally posted by Avallok
Its like all the guilds say they have members when in actual fact most/none of those members even play and thats the truth.
Please dont get all bichy its just my opinion and dont post a comeback insulting me about this, im not trying to flam and i dont want to. Its my opinion if you dont like it dont read it and ignore me its as simple as that!
You, sir, are a dumbass.
Look, for example, at the Rangers member list. This is an easy example because so many of them are obviously active by looking at their board activity.
And I don\'t give a shit that you don\'t want us to flame you. You act like a dumbass, why shouldn\'t anybody flame you? If you don\'t like it, think of it as a \"correction\". If you can\'t take critisism, then go kill yourself, and you won\'t have to.
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Originally posted by druke
we contribute, we are/were (not sure if we still are) on some of the weopns lists .
\"we\", you mean I\'m on the weapons list :P:P
and Davis is right with his last post, you\'re a dumbass..
who cares if we can\'t powerlevel or whatever you \"should\" do right now, we can still make friends, make a powerful organisation, make a website, etc.(and this is what a guild is for IMO)
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well put
mister person,
What exactly are we \"supposed\" to do anyways, i think all we are \"supposed\" to ever do is play a game, in which we are doing quite well, if you would take time to note that this game extends beyond the XML coded windows and actually has politics and such
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You, sir, are a dumbass.
Look, for example, at the Rangers member list. This is an easy example because so many of them are obviously active by looking at their board activity.
And I don\'t give a shit that you don\'t want us to flame you. You act like a dumbass, why shouldn\'t anybody flame you? If you don\'t like it, think of it as a \"correction\". If you can\'t take critisism, then go kill yourself, and you won\'t have to.
ok seriously i was bein nice before im not now why dont u jus stfu did i say anyfin about the boards (forum) i said in game coz this is about a game. \"oh look my guild hangs out at a forum\" \"im so cool\", tell that to a person in reality tell them youve got a guild that plays on a forum and you\'ll see hoos gonna get larfed at (flamed in your terms)
btw did you shave your mullet?
god dam im only trying to make a point you guys make it so hard always asking for more, like an alliance \"we want more stuff for our guild\" jus god damit and be patient and wait for CB, instead of bloody asking too much!
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Planeshift is just plain not much fun to play ingame at the moment. (My opinion only.) At least not for the amount of time it takes to load.
Many guilds decide to get around this by meeting and discussing things outside of PS until CB comes out.
It\'s as simple as that. Of course, after CB I don\'t think there\'ll be any excuse for not being active ingame. :D
We can discuss what we like, regardless of whether it\'s \"pointless\" or not. It\'s not hurting you.
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now one thing i hate more than a noob rant is a noob taking back his words. such words should not be spoken if you would take them back. i think about things (for the most part, no one is perfect) before i say them, except when im high on crazy drugs.
Also i heed warning to kierns rants of inpending doom to the boards because this topic is way off topic. we were talking about should guilds have to pay respect to original guilds. I kinda started it with my fights with davis and kinda going off topic but i believe it was a statement that was true and should have been posted.
now avillok, consider yourself pwned. think about things before you say them and even if you know you were wrong, never admit it, swallow your emotions and them release them on somebody you really hate (physically. there is nothing cool about using pent up rage to type at 500 words per second.) This is the way of man. we have survived for millions of years so i find no reason to beleive that this process is wrong. And if moogie tells you any different tell her to shove it. IM out....
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Originally posted by Avallok
ok seriously i was bein nice before im not now why dont u jus stfu did i say anyfin about the boards (forum) i said in game coz this is about a game. \"oh look my guild hangs out at a forum\" \"im so cool\", tell that to a person in reality tell them youve got a guild that plays on a forum and you\'ll see hoos gonna get larfed at (flamed in your terms)
btw did you shave your mullet?
god dam im only trying to make a point you guys make it so hard always asking for more, like an alliance \"we want more stuff for our guild\" jus god damit and be patient and wait for CB, instead of bloody asking too much!
Haha, what an idiot. :rolleyes:
Did I say anything about that? No. I said that most people\'s guilds do have acive members. And I know you didn\'t say anything about a forum. And guess what? Neither did I! Did you read my post or just the first line?
But I could disagree with you more, if that\'s what you want. Like Shadowmancer said, it\'s good to be all set up and organized for when the finished game comes around. And one can say that guild politics is a game in itself. By the way, I am in game quite regularly.
And the quote is from http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/cheese.htm
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If the idea of this (meaning the original topic) was modified quite a bit, you might have some fun doing it and make it more appealing to others...but meh, I don\'t care.
Avallok, if you say what someone has worked hard on and have had fun doing is useless, you will get flamed...get smart.
I agree with whemy, go kick something (preferably not me) a couple of times...get over it
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Yes, because those people are usually working hard and having fun on it for a good reason.
Plus, he\'s really, really stupid. If he wasn\'t so dumb and made the same point, I would respond to it better.
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so let me get this straight... if he had a higher iq and he said the exact same words you wouldnt flame him AS badly? sounds like a plan...:P
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No, different words, but same idea. Notice that one of my main points against him is that he seems to have been on LSD while reading my post, it was as if he was responding to something totally different. This only applies to his second post, though. I would flame the third one just as badly, because his dumbassness was only expressed in his idea (and his typing).
Now do you get it?
Why do you always have to disagree with me, Whemyfield?
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nah just messin with you and trying to be difficult. almost tryin to mimic YOU :P lmao...
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Originally posted by Davis
You, sir, are a dumbass.
Originally posted by Axsyrus
and Davis is right with his last post, you\'re a dumbass..
Originally posted by Davis; restating his opinion
Haha, what an idiot.
Finally someone realizes it other than me!
Anyway, this thread has gone seriously OT, I think. An oldbies-alliance seems like an interesting idea, but it would have to be very loosely implemented so as not to lessen competition. Perhaps more so like an Established Guild Cooperation, in which the more established guilds enter an agreement to help preserve each other from the threat of the inevitable flood of newbs and the guilds said newbs would bring with them. It wouldn\'t be a real alliance, it would have to be implemented so that polar opposite guilds could coexist but still maintain the same level of competition.
The only problem with this concept is that the Cooperation would have to employ tactics such as Blacklisting and negative advertisment, so its far from desireable, I think.
Just some stupid thoughts, I could barely pawn them off for 2 tria, me thinks.
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Another problem: Nobody wants to participate in it.
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Some people will do whatever to come out on top...it may not be the most desirable idea, but that\'s not saying it would not work, but I don\'t think it will be wanted/needed for a very long time, especially not until there is an actual game (forum stuff like that is very lame) just let it cook a little bit more whoever\'s post this is (I think RussianVodka\'s).
By the way, I would have nothing to do with it and will probably go against it from time to time, but it still has a right to exist if it is well planned and worked on. :)
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i think there should be advantages given to oldbies. if there isnt like in other games then the minority no longer becomes the minority and becomes the majority and the leader. there has to be something on the oldbies side to defend with. also this point can be taken with those damned feminists. i walk to the supermarket and these old hags say women arent being treated fairly. and that strip clubs shouldnt be legal because they are treating women like meat. if the women are working there im sure they dont care. also since these women are given so many advantages and can sue for sexual harrassment for just about anything, even if your joking like you do with your friends, then they have a serious competitive advantage. the minority becomes the majorty. this is wrong. they are asking to be equal and then work themselves above equal. completely gay. we should have something to fight with in both cases or were gonna be ruled by amazonian women untill we can rebel with impregnating guns... :P
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Yes, your point is that men and women are equal, and one shouldn\'t use an imagined disadvantage to create an advantage. Well, same thing, newbies and oldbies are equal (under the law), why should they get advantages? You can argue that they are superior in experience, but yeah, then they do have an advantage. The game doesn\'t pay special attention to the newbies. Why should it do any different for the oldbies? Your example completely contradicts your point, and your point is stupid.
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but when guilds are as highly advanced as other games the new guilds will have an advantage (as posted here) that is stealing ideas. therefore oldbie guilds should have an advantage to counter this. so your stupid
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Oh, you\'re talking about the oldbie guilds, not the oldbies in your last post... sorry for not seeing that. ?(
And yeah. I said it was a valid, if not good, idea. A guild should be looked over by the devs before it can be made official and get all the special official rights. Me agreeing isn\'t good enough for you? You have to rant at me until I make a mistake?
You\'re filling in the space left when Draklar stopped being a stubborn ass and started being cool.
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Originally posted by Davis
Oh, you\'re talking about the oldbie guilds, not the oldbies in your last post... sorry for not seeing that. ?(
And yeah. I said it was a valid, if not good, idea. A guild should be looked over by the devs before it can be made official and get all the special official rights. Me agreeing isn\'t good enough for you? You have to rant at me until I make a mistake?
You\'re filling in the space left when Draklar stopped being a stubborn ass and started being cool.
im sorry i have to specifically say oldbie guild and not shorten to oldbies...
i only ranted because you said my thread was stupid which is like a major no no in this forum
and im not sure what you mean by that so im not going to attack you... right away:P
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Like I said, I\'m sorry I messed that up. I beg forgiveness, great and almighty god. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Davis
Ah! You changed your point again! Well, I completely agree with you now, Whemyfield.
^^^
There. We can both shut up. Like I said, I think you have a valid point. Sorry if I didn\'t understand it.
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hehe yah we have had like a whole clash of the titans thing going on for quite sometime... took about 40 minutes out of my free time. and time well spent i may add. anything that can add to my post count and still be considered valid! :P that was such a noob statement right there. well its all over folks.
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That\'s it whemy, your now back to a peanut, congratulations...it\'s hard to do. :P
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Originally posted by Kiern
That\'s it whemy, your now back to a peanut, congratulations...it\'s hard to do. :P
oh shut up you old b@stard peanut.. *close up on smiling face* *blatant old cheesy family show ripoff*