PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: AendarCallenlasse on February 07, 2004, 09:04:11 pm
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With the re-opening of my guild I got a little nostalgic and I went back through old posts and I realized just how much things have changed around here. Way back when Kada and Alucard were around all the time. And back when the mods were here all the time and mingling with the common folk. I really miss those times. I did a search for Elven Order and read through posts from over two years ago and it\'s amazing how much fun we used to have back then. any other of you oldies (As in like two years old) remember those times?
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Well, what\'s wrong with now? You don\'t like the people, or you just can\'t relate to the people?
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Hmm it\'s not that. I think that before there weren\'t as many people so we had a lot more fun. Everyone knew each other and all. And I think a lot of the older people have left...well pretty much all of the older people have left...thanks to the decline of the state of the forums and all these knew people...and all the spam around now. We just had more fun back then. Not that everyone around now is intolerable. There are still some people here that are worth my time, you being one of them.
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Ah the good old days, when you were a noble elf striving for what is right in the world ;) It\'s almost a distant hazy memory that I can hardly recall, so I did the same search and it brings the good times flooding back :)
I do miss them and the people who were around back then, we did have so much fun and they were very exciting times with a very, very close knit small community. As the community grows I sometimes think it becomes harder to feel like a part of that community, but as with everything time moves on and things change, some things for the better and some for the worse.
I guess this could result in a few flames having a go about old timers clinging to the past, I suppose we do have to move on and accept that PS will continue to grow and the new players of today will be the old timers of tomorrow. But we will always have those memories of how things used to be and can be proud of the fact that we have stuck with the project for so long :)
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Oh I don\'t mean to change the forums or critize those that are around today. Just remembering the fun times we had. Which reminds me...you need to get your forums back up. Those were fun. ;)
But yes, I have to accept that things have changed. It was just fun to go back and read some of those old threads, actually made me laugh.
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Sure, it was cool, of course the main part was it being a small community and not having to deal with the annoying questions (only the ever present, when will it be out? :P) also the devs hung around here more...it used to be rare a thread was deleted/locked, funny eh?
Anyways, even now it\'s a pretty small community, because all the sub-communitys (guilds, fansites, the \"game\", etc.) split it up since one isn\'t really better then the other...once it\'s further along the newer people now will be saying the same thing. :D
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-=sigh=- We\'re getting old that\'s all. Oh well, we had fun times. Fun times that these young uns will never have. :]
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Well, Aendar..... Im a \'young un\', only been here for a couple of months, but Im still having fun... otherwise whats the point of being here?
My point being is that you guys can still have fun, with the new people. Just don\'t forget that just because someone is relatively new, it doesnt mean their boring or annoying.
Btw, im extremely sry if this was meant to be a thread only for the older players. If thats so then I wont post here anymore.
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No no, like I said not all of the new people here are annoying. It\'s just that back then there were a lot less people so we all knew each other and we all had fun together. Now there are so many people here that\'s it\'s harder to feel that way about the community. I was just being nostalgic that\'s all.
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Oh I remember them old days... Eternal arguing about Rune$cape, whether it was good or bad... which eventually got the word banned, and I don\'t recall the game has been thoroughly discussed on the boards ever since. :)
I remember Aender beeing the good-boy elf as well, I just can\'t remember why exactly he turned evil... Oh well, it happens to people who get too good, the alignment meter simply gets heavy in one side, and it flips over. Not that it bothers me, he isn\'t really THAT evil. ;)
Levski - I think what Aender ment was that back in \"the old days\", we all knew eachother. We all knew what eachother liked, we all made fun of eachother and we all enjoyed visiting the boards, talking to eachother, but it\'s not like that any more. Sure it can be fun once in a while, seeing some dumb-nuts getting flamed to death, and never visiting the boards again, but... It\'s just not the same.
Edit: Beh, you reply too fast Aender!
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Being good was so..boring. you can have a lot more fun when your evil, you should try it sometime. :]
Besides, nowadays...I\'m more neutral and I simply hate everyone...save a few.
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Oh yea. The good old times. I miss Alucard :( ... I miss Nusham, Firestorm, Jewels, Golbez, Meket, Alina and a lot more ...
But what\'s with you Aendar? I am really thinking the same, but things are changing, and we have to accept this and embrace the new members. I had my own times when I didn\'t do that ... don\'t pass through them, because you\'ll end up like me. Just a friendly advice.
I was really speaking with Yann yesterday about how things were almost 2 years ago, when he, Grono, me, xolon and more where in BO ... heh ... what beautiful times. We were just some kids playing. I would do everything to change the time back.
Ah ... and don\'t forget the time when I was the PR manager and I had op powers :P
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Who ever said I was good? Actually, I doubt any living creature on these boards truely know my alignment, not even if I\'m good or evil.
\"It is what\'s inside that counts.\"
Sheesh, Annah, you never had OP. Only Half-OP. :)
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Annah- I know...I guess I just have to accept the fact that things have changed, but it doesn\'t mean I don\'t miss those times a lot.
Gron- Ok then...being openly evil is fun. :D
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pfft, Grono your evil, whether or not that is your actual alignment :P
(all of you reply too fast...losers) 8)
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And Grono isn\'t evil. She\'s just ... special :)
*EDIT* op ... hop ... I could kick and ban :P And I remember Link was no. 1 heh
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She\'s special...but I\'m super special though...the kind of special that glows at night...
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I think what the problem is that most newbies come into the game, and they think that they should be gods in the game. A lot of them dont really care about the older players, and that makes a gap between the players. I sure hope that I can get to know the older players......
And about the alignment... its more fun to be neutral, that way you can be a little of each, depending on another persons point of view.
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Very good Levski. Finally someone who thinks :)
Very good ...
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I think this thread it going in the wrong direction. :rolleyes:
Bah, Kiern, noone was supposed to know that! :P Now they\'ll probably figure out I\'m planning to take over the world and becoming the only ruler in PlaneShift, and they\'ll probably know that I\'ll do it by overthrowing Talad and taking his spot as uber-god... You\'re so mean that you told them all this! Mean I tell you!
Edit: MEAN!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah the problem with new people is they just come here, ask stupid questions and then start spamming the boards. And when that happens a few hundred times a day, people leave.
Pffff Gron you need to get in line. Wasn\'t Al supposed to take over. Least that\'s what he says when he sporatically appears at the boards.
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Grono, hmm ... I will take over the world 1st and you\'ll be my lovely queen. hehe
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Oops, I think that is like the 4th world domination plan I\'ve accidently exposed :(
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ya it does give you a nostalgic feeling, I remember when I first saw Planeshift, I was playing Atomic Blue, man it was quite some time ago. Only few people I can remember when I was checking the forums. I started checking the forums early 2002 but never really registered till early 2003. Here\'s the only people I knew when I first started checking the forums.
The Devs
Kada-El
Link
Kiern
Gronomist
Cyanomie
Princess Aeyla
Annah
Golbez
cmhitman
Keldorn
TheGeneral
AenderCallenlasse
Yann
Abemore
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Maybe the devs/moderators should enforce the forums more? Or maybe there should be a part of the forum hidden so that only the older players can see it?
And thanx Annah, I take pride in being able to think...... ;)
Edit: Wow, you guys reply fast! I barely type one message and there are 3 posted in the meanwhile!
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Maybe the devs/moderators should enforce the forums more?
I wouldn\'t say that out loud. We\'ve suggested that many times. Why can\'t use see those posts you ask? Because they deleted them within a minute of postage. They have very sensitive egos.[/COLOR]
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
Hmm it\'s not that. I think that before there weren\'t as many people so we had a lot more fun. Everyone knew each other and all. And I think a lot of the older people have left...well pretty much all of the older people have left...thanks to the decline of the state of the forums and all these knew people...and all the spam around now. We just had more fun back then. Not that everyone around now is intolerable. There are still some people here that are worth my time, you being one of them.
That\'s exactly right. More people=larger percentage of stupid people. It defies reasoning, but it\'s true.
One day, as Planeshift gets more popular and more people join, these boards will become a pile of decaying filth. But that hasn\'t happened yet.
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Originally posted by Levski
Maybe the devs/moderators should enforce the forums more? Or maybe there should be a part of the forum hidden so that only the older players can see it?
Them do enforce, just not as much as some would like.
Maybe there should, but who would decide who was an oldbie and who was not? And what about people who claim they\'re oldbies, but have an account registered in 2004? Or what about the new oldbies? When\'s a newbie and oldbie and why is he suddenly an oldbie? What changed?
Doing something like that involves too many questions... :D
Aender - Pff! I was here before Al was! And I planned to take over the world long ago!
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It\'s not the enforcing that\'s a problem, it\'s that there are no definite rules to enforce. At least in my opinion.
Anyways, how about we move away from that before it gets...not good :D
I don\'t know which one I would prefer to take over the world...either way it would turn out very strange :P
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I guess its not that easy, and for any dev that reads this, sry about the earlier post!
Well, a newbie becomes an \'oldbie\' or a well known experienced person when they gain the trust of other \'oldbies\'. Thats what I think anyways.
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Yeah let\'s not add this thread to my growing list of blacklisted threads.
Gron-I was born with a natural instinct for world domination. :P
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Heh, I actually remember that even when I came it was better than than this.
Hm, how do you define oldbie?
Maybe:
Newbie->Until midbie
Midbie->Half a year
Oldbie->Year
:P :rolleyes:
Being a royal oldbie is something intangible, not just accquired through age. It\'s kind of a hard thing to decide.
All hail the oldbies! *bows*
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I look at it this way. If you\'ve been here for two years or longer you\'re an oldie. If you\'ve been here a year or so, you\'re a youngblood...not an oldie...but not a newbie or young\'un. If you\'ve been here less than a year your new.
You may rise now Monk...oh and I have shoes that need polishing.
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Actually, I\'ve just figured out why us oldbies had so much fun compared to the people who joined up later.
It\'s so simple that I\'ve overlooked the answer so many times. The oldbies (us) joined to have fun. We joined because of the roleplaying aspect of a game that had to be in development for about a year before it even had the looks of a game. The newbies (you) join to play a free game, kill mobs and make money. You get disappointed when you find that the free game isn\'t a game, merely a demo, whereas we oldbies have been waiting with great expectations for years, you come and demand a full game after waiting a week.
Anyone see the difference...?
I forgot the point... :rolleyes:
A newbie therefor turns into an oldbie when he or she gets the passion for the game, and enables him-/herself to wait several years to play a game, which in his/her mind will be great, not because it\'s free or because there will be uber-swords, but because it\'s so similar to the real life, yet it doesn\'t take as much effort to become successful. It\'s the understanding of the game which makes an oldbie, not the amount amount of time spent asking when the next version is released.
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.Guess im still a newbie ;)
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Yeah that makes sense. We knew that we would be waiting around for a long time so we grew together. These new people are simply hanging around. And once the game is more advanced many of them will probably never come to the forums. Whereas we older people will be here still.
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Yeah, there is a big difference that is pretty obvious, there are some new people though that I consider, not necessarily \"oldbie\", but not new either...while those who have been here for a year or so I might still consider a newbie because of how they act...basically what Grono said, those that come just for the free game, etc. I will always consider \"newbie\".
It may obscure the definitions then, but what else do you expect from me? :)
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Sorry guys, but you are being a bit stereotypical.....
Not all newbies are that way, as I tried to point out earlier. Or at least, I dont think so......
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hey Aender you bring up a good point. When I log on to play MB, there are a lot of people who don\'t even check out the forums and sometimes I go, \"Who the heck are they?\" Even with MB, a lot of people dont check the forums.
Also out of all the tens and thousands of accounts for this forum, I\'m willing to bet that less than 100 are actually active, because you know it to, almost the same people post most of the time.
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It gives us something to look forward to. eventually when the game is far along all these people that are simply here to kill time will disappear and all that will be left are those that came here to be a community. See the oldies are a family...and all these newbies are th in-laws that no one wants around. But not all of them...there are those hot cousins that you don\'t being around...
Ok that got kinda weird...
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Originally posted by Gronomist
Actually, I\'ve just figured out why us oldbies had so much fun compared to the people who joined up later.
It\'s so simple that I\'ve overlooked the answer so many times. The oldbies (us) joined to have fun. We joined because of the roleplaying aspect of a game that had to be in development for about a year before it even had the looks of a game. The newbies (you) join to play a free game, kill mobs and make money. You get disappointed when you find that the free game isn\'t a game, merely a demo, whereas we oldbies have been waiting with great expectations for years, you come and demand a full game after waiting a week.
Anyone see the difference...?
Actually, can you guess how I got here? :D
-Free
-3D
-Better\'n spoonscape
-Better community\'n spoonscape
-Did I mention free?
Slowly I have become more of an rp\'er. Doesn\'t mean I\'m good at it, but I try. So, once you get good at rp\'ing ur an oldbie? :P
*Runs off to Jayose\'s to find a book on roleplaying*
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Originally posted by Levski
Sorry guys, but you are being a bit stereotypical.....
Not all newbies are that way, as I tried to point out earlier. Or at least, I dont think so......
Yep, that was the point in my post (which I think we posted at the same time) it sort of works both ways, people who come back to PS from a long time ago, such as one \"MagiBountyHunter\" whom I think all the older people will know, I will never consider an oldbie...and some of the newer people who came for the \"older\" reasons I think of as the same as the oldbie people...even though their missing some of what has happend so they really can\'t be called the same. :P
EDIT: and yeah Aendar (Below), there seems to now be many of Magi\'s type hanging around, thus proving Grono\'s point heh :P
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MagiBountyHunter...now that brings back some very disturbing memories. I don\'t think we have any that extremem but we have a few of his type lurking around the forums and that\'s what ruins it for us. But like I said some are actually pretty cool....but most aren\'t.
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Ya know, someone ought to make a list...
...nah, then moogs would come in and kill it.
So, new definition of Midbie is:?
Someone who is fairly prominent in the community. Someone who\'s been around about a year. Someone who is new to rp\'ing, but is willing to try.
*jots down for later use*
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heh... don\'t listen to all of that, Monk...
the ever changing definitions of \"newbie\", \"midbie\" and so on
it\'ll damage thy brain ;)
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Ahh! I have to wait a whole year to be considered even a \"midbie\"???
Gah! Oh well....
/me goes back to the Blitzers where he is sort of respected....
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You know, it reminds of all the alignment discussions :D
Maybe there should be a list with clear definitions to be used for Planeshift use :P could also change the actual \"words\" used so we don\'t have stupid sounding ones that are taken differently by new people (such as newbie some people see as degrading if it\'s used that way in the community they were at before)
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do not listen ^_^
after some time there will come days when people will start to call you an oldbie. And I don\'t mean those here that in one year will be telling oldbie is someone who was around for 3 years ;)
I mean the community as a whole, with newbies and people that joined together with you as well. When people will see you as someone that has been around for a very long time, then you might consider yourself as an oldbie. Again - don\'t listen to those definitions :P
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Good advice Drak, thanx :).
But actually, I dont care what I am as long as I still get to interact with everyone here. Ok, well that sounded really cliche....
In a year or so, we will look back at this thread and say to ourselves...... \"How come we didnt realize that those were the good old days too?\"
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bah whatever. Im a \"newb\" still in comparison, but thats ok. Cus all you oldies are los3rs anyways. i mean this thread is only 3 hours old and it already has 3 pages, you all respond to fast... :P
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Raa! Do not disrepect the oldbies!
Bow!
*Draws his longsword+4*
Seriously, I actually do think we should make new words for planeshift.
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How about varying degrees from slave to master? The Devs being Gods of course..... So that all the \'masters\' could order all the \'slaves\' around? And then the \'Gods\' making sure the \'Masters\' arent being too rough on the \'slaves\' :P.
Ahh im just joking....... but having our own mythology and hierarchys (bah spelled it wrong probably) is a good idea. This thread is waaay off topic now........ But I think threads should be allowed to evolve and to grow.
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Originally posted by Gronomist
Actually, I\'ve just figured out why us oldbies had so much fun compared to the people who joined up later.
It\'s so simple that I\'ve overlooked the answer so many times. The oldbies (us) joined to have fun. We joined because of the roleplaying aspect of a game that had to be in development for about a year before it even had the looks of a game. The newbies (you) join to play a free game, kill mobs and make money. You get disappointed when you find that the free game isn\'t a game, merely a demo, whereas we oldbies have been waiting with great expectations for years, you come and demand a full game after waiting a week.
Anyone see the difference...?
I forgot the point... :rolleyes:
A newbie therefor turns into an oldbie when he or she gets the passion for the game, and enables him-/herself to wait several years to play a game, which in his/her mind will be great, not because it\'s free or because there will be uber-swords, but because it\'s so similar to the real life, yet it doesn\'t take as much effort to become successful. It\'s the understanding of the game which makes an oldbie, not the amount amount of time spent asking when the next version is released.
What the hell?
You know, that would make me an oldbie. I am not an oldbie. Therefore, you are wrong.
An oldbie is someone who is widely known and respected, partly for his/her age. Your system contains what it takes to be widely respected. But it\'s incomplete.
So... yeah.
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FLAME WARRRRRRR!!!! *gathers everyone like school children around gromonist and davis* lol
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You see Whemy is a perfect example of the difference between an oldie and a newbie. :]
We were having a perfectly relevant conversation and he starts insulting people. Tsk tsk...you know in my day we would never have disrespected our elders.
An oldbie is someone who is widely known and respected, partly for his/her age
Hmm not quite...I\'m widely known but not very respected....heh. They be\'s disrespectin meh.[/COLOR]
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Davis, you cannot mix the two definitions together. You have one idea what an oldie is, and Gronomist has another. Just because Gronomist states his opinion, it does not mean that it will agree with yours, even partway.
Edit: Gah! Aendar is back! You post really really fast! And wait, what would that make me? Since I was part of the relevant discussion?
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Yes, I can, yes, I do, no, Grono is not male, and her opinion does agree with mine partway, just not all the way.
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Just because Gronomist states his opinion
Her.
Edit: Gah! Aendar is back! You post really really fast! And wait, what would that make me? Since I was part of the relevant discussion?
I\'m a very shneaky.
Had to eat ya know.
But it\'s quite simple, those who are oldies know who the other oldies are.[/COLOR]
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Oh ok. And sry Gronomist, my mistake. Hope your meal was tasty Aendar ;).
Anyways, there is no way that I would say that im still a total newbie. I mean, I hardly know all the newbies these days, I feel awkward around them, since they keep asking questions...
This is a very hard topic to debate... :(
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It is a hard topic to define. You see being an oldie isn\'t simply about how lon you\'ve been here. It\'s also about how relevnat you are to the community. anyone can post every now and then for two years, but that doesn\'t make them an oldie. It\'s about maturity. although tha always isn\'t a fctor alone. Case in point: Al....a little mature. Meket very very immature. But they were relevant. They contributed to the communities growth.
If you and Davis stuck around for another year or two, you\'d both be oldies. Because you\'re not flaming people or spamming. You\'re contributing to the community and you\'re mature.
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Yeah Levski, your not really a newbie because you\'ve proven you can have an intelligent conversation even if you don\'t agree or do but don\'t understand/disagree on certain points...completely in my view, I stick people into the category of \"newbie\" until proven otherwise by the above, it just means I don\'t know enough to have an opinion on you/care what you say.
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Thanks Aendar and Kiern, but it still goes to show that age (length of membership) does have a bit to do with it. But the fact is, even if I(we) stick around for a couple of years, we still won\'t experience the things you experienced way in the beginnings of Planeshift. So in a way, you guys, the oldies will still be oldies more than me(us). But we will be oldies to another group of planeshifters. So in a way that makes a midbies.. But no one can become an old oldbie because that slot is already taken by those faithful planeshifters who were here first.
Btw, see? Respect. :)
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Yeah, but you will have your own experiences. In two years the forums will changed from how they are today. The times we had were special because they happened to us. The times you guys have will be special for you too, just as equally as ours.
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Thats my point though. Oldies, midbies, and newbies are way to general. Well newbies is a good term to describe new people. But afterwards it would seem like everyone is fighting to become an oldie. Maybe the current oldies might become Generation X, or something like that....... and me and the rest of the people now could be Generation Y...... Or you could always come up with a nicer name for it.
Edit: Well, now that you have me interested, im going to venture backwards through time to see what sorts of \'fun times\' you guys had before!
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Exactly. You will never know the things we have known or experience the things we have. So in a sense you will never be an oldie like we are. But you will be here long enough to categorize yourself in your own version of a label.
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Well said Aendar, you will have your own experience of this community and one day will share those memories with others like you. Those that have something valuable to contribute to this community will easily earn the respect of everyone else and swiftly be respected, regardless of how long they have been around.
We will always share something special with those that were around at a similar time, but that doesn\'t mean we can\'t appreciate what somebody new can bring to us ;)
EDIT: bah these posts are right, you guys do post too quick ;) :P
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Originally posted by Kiern
Yeah Levski, your not really a newbie because you\'ve proven you can have an intelligent conversation even if you don\'t agree or do but don\'t understand/disagree on certain points...completely in my view, I stick people into the category of \"newbie\" until proven otherwise by the above, it just means I don\'t know enough to have an opinion on you/care what you say.
And thats why IM a peanut!!!1 Hehe...
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Thats a good way to put it. I hope that we\'ll (me and everyone else here) get to know each other better too, and share our own special times here.
This discussion already shows how nice people are here and how much its worth it to discuss things with the older people, even if they do point their tongues out :P!
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Hm, Generational classing. I like that idea!
Each person forms his(or her) own story in the community.
Now let me point out something: The online community\'s system is similar to that of the Boy Scouts. Believe it or not this is true!
In Boy Scouting as a boy matures he gains respect. He also gains rank, of course. But, the respect is more important, when one of the older guys tells you to do something, you do it. When one of your generation tells you to do something, you might not, because he may not have even as much respect as yourself.
Now as you know this is what happens in most online communities, Oldbies are famous, powerful, respected figures. If they are not, then they are not oldbies.
That\'s why I like a \"Generational\" thing, because that\'s kinda how it works...
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You newer people need to do this with the other newer people. We had the experiences we had because we stuck together and we interacted. The problem with the newer people here is that you\'re too scattered. Probably because there are too many of you to really get together and communicate. But if you did pull together and made yourself a real community you\'ll be able to do what we are doing here in time.
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Maybe... but maybe not. Personally I feel that any community we would make would be missing something if it didnt involve the older players to some extent. I dont think it would be right for you guys to remain aloof from us...
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Oh we will still be here. Looka t this thread for instance. But we already are a community. You guys need to pull together and bring the other newer people into a community and we will be there.
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It\'s true, the community should always involve the older players, but those players must also accept the new ones coming in. That said, CB will bring in a whole new wave of very new players and we will see all kinds of people come here, as we do with every new release. Brace yourself for a spam wave like you\'ve never seen ;)
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Sounds like a challenge to me! I thrive on them :). That is, if they fit into my work schedule :(. I think that in a way, the Blitzers have done a lot of this already. Since we allow most people to be in our guild who ask, we create a friendly atmosphere for newbies and the like. For instance, the Blitzers forum has a lot of interaction between newer players. Actually I think thats what happened to a lot of sensible new players. Imho, they joined guilds and now feel like they have a duty only to talk to their guildmembers. Or, they are content with just that. So that makes it just a bit harder to make a complete community....
Btw, how many people play planeshift total, do you think?
Edit: ah! Kada, your becoming a \'too fast\' replier too!
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Originally posted by Kada-El
It\'s true, the community should always involve the older players, but those players must also accept the new ones coming in. That said, CB will bring in a whole new wave of very new players and we will see all kinds of people come here, as we do with every new release. Brace yourself for a spam wave like you\'ve never seen ;)
wether or not you choose to accept new people, they will flood here nonetheless.. it\'s a free game, and if that isn\'t one hell of a player magnet, I\'m not sure what it is..
I do not in any way doubt that you had fun when you were only a select few here, bonds and friends are made in such times.. Even though I can\'t boast with the fact of having been here for as long as some of you, I still have made \"my own\" tight knit community of what I like to call friends.. So the qualities have in no way diminished over the years, they have just become \"different\". I was awestruck by this project, and still am in some way, and the friends I\'ve made here are friends I\'d like to keep, and no doubt new people will come, and perhaps leave, I shall accept them anyhow..
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Actually play the game? Less than a hundred I\'d say.
I feel like we\'re passing the torch here...we pass on our legacy to you. I\'m sure things will change with the community once the game is further along though.
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Passing the torch??????????? I wouldnt want that!! Your not going to leave are you? You guys are part of what make the game appealing, you know. Imho, you guys are the hub of a big wheel. Sure other people could eventually take your place, but it would never be the same! And Aendar, by restarting your guild, it seems to me like it will become a clash where older players will interact with newer players.. which is good!
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I wouldn\'t leave PS. I\'ve put too much time and energy into PS to just up and leave completely. I just mean that our numbers are diminishing so it can\'t be left up to us to make the community grow and continue. It\'s up to you guys to do that.
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Oh ok, whew..... It seems like I misunderstood. So what made the good old days so special, besides the close knit group of members? Surely it must have been more than that.
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Originally posted by Xalthar
no doubt new people will come, and perhaps leave, I shall accept them anyhow..
You may accept them, but no doubt you will be one of the first to flame them to hell and back again :P
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
I just mean that our numbers are diminishing so it can\'t be left up to us to make the community grow and continue. It\'s up to you guys to do that.
So AendarCallenlasse do you think your numbers are diminishing because people are sick of waiting for the game? or is it possible alot of peole will return once full version is realized(which from what i gather could be along time from now)? ive noticed that a few of the older players post more than 2-3 times a day. Also i dont remeber who said it but i think that people dont recodnize some of the people in game because eather they dont use the froums or they use a diffrent name in game, i mean i put Sir Fishy as my forum name but use Deathswipe in game though i did put my in-game name on my sig. I also see that no matter how big these forums get which will probubly be huge that you guys (AendarCallenlasse, Xalthar,Kada-El, Monketh, whemyfield, Kiern and whoever else i neglected to metion, alot i suppose) but i find that i see alot of you people on the forums daily. i mean ive been here maybe a 2 weeks at most and i already am learning your personalities Ie. savion talks in 3rd peson alot, whemy is good at flaming, and Aender hates anyone who disagrees with him. lol and i a waaay noob. well theres how i see the oldies noobies stuff. sorry for the long post :(
Kada-El- I think whemy will be the first to flmae most people, he flamed me first.
Edit- God you people post in a matter of seconds it seems
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People have left for a number of reasons. The biggest being the long wait. I mean some of us have been here for years and that\'s a long time to wait. Another reason is the state of the forums. The number of users has grown dramatically and the number of forum moderators has decreased so things have gotten out of hand on the forums.
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So, why doesnt Acraig or whoever runs the forums apoint trust worthey player mods to keep them under control i mean morgua or however her name is spelled does a great job but can be everywear at once, i mean players like whemy could do it but he flames everyone for anything and everything(no offence just using you as an example) but players like you AendarCallenlasse would be good because you have a good understanding of the forums, but this is my opinion. But so no one gets mad at me Mods you do the best jobs you can do with these massive forums. :]
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The idea has been pitched but they choose to ignore us. I don\'t know why but they just don\'t like us suggesting how to make the forums better. Strange but that\'s the way it is. I would be a mod, but I dunno if they\'d want me running around on a power trip. That could be bad. Plus I would probably be very heavy-handed with most people. But I do think that more people should be given Mod status.
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Originally posted by Sir Fishy
Kada-El- I think whemy will be the first to flmae most people, he flamed me first fallowed closely by darklar though.
You know you may have a point there. I\'m not sure why but everytime I seem to read a post by Whemy, he\'s either having a go at someone or putting down an idea - what\'s the matter Whemy? At first I didn\'t think you were like that. C\'mon share the pain, what\'s up?
Anywho, numbers diminish for so many reasons - real life gets in the way, people find other games, people get bored etc. But I think you may be right Fishy, we will see many old players return for the new version and for subsequent versions, along with the influx of new players. We must be open to changes, because they will surely come and they\'re not easy to stop!
EDIT: Damn you managed to get a couple of posts in there again :P
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
The idea has been pitched but they choose to ignore us. I don\'t know why but they just don\'t like us suggesting how to make the forums better. Strange but that\'s the way it is. I would be a mod, but I dunno if they\'d want me running around on a power trip. That could be bad. Plus I would probably be very heavy-handed with most people. But I do think that more people should be given Mod status.
lol yes power trips are bad, especailly if they fell into the wrong hands and were given ban powers. I cant imagine the chaos that would ensue, espeacilly if people like Savion were given those powers he\'d probubly make us all bow to him 10 times aday 8o.
ontopic- lol wow im a noobie who thought up somthing that has been thought up before, i mean if they want to interact more with people i guess moderating gives them a reason to half to search the forums but they just seem to be slow to react Not trying to be mean or get myself banned or whatever but truth be told they are. oh well maybe we\'ll see more with the next realse flood everyone is talking about...or maybe not.
God why do you people post so fast! lol i probubly said half of what kada-el said ;(
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Why am i the stereotypical flamer? Name 10 times i have flamed somebody that wasnt the sentence \"this has been posted before\" or something to that relation. Bassically I posted and people have misunderstood me and just gone all out and flamed ME. Im just a normal everyday poster. I dont want to be mean, but because i have been accused of flaming so manytimes people take it upon themselves to tell me im a dick head and i should shut up and that my oppinion is WRONG. Which last time i heard was worse than a flame. Really i dont care though. Flame me all you want but thats not how the forums work. I will always be here, even if you dont agree with me. So just suck it up, stop looking for reasons to blame me and get on with your life. That kind of attitude usually gets rewarded in more ways than on forum boards.
But i do have one thing to say about crystal blue. Really its going to HAVE to be a dissapointment. After 2 months tops its going to feel like molecular blue. Theres no way around it. Then nearing the next release (whatever-blue) people will ask the same questions all over again (when is the due date?, when is this feature going to be implemented?, how do I crouch?) and some of us are going to be sitting in our chairs thinking \"I remember when that was asked before crystal blue and even molecular blue\". And ya know what else? Someone is going to make a thread just like this on the forum boards. And someone just like me may post a post almost identical to this.
But those are my opinions. and someone with thier opinions are going to blame me for interfering with theirs. And im just going to leave before i work my self into an uncontrollable spasm.
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whemy i used your name because everyone says you flame them... but okay ill stop calling you a flamer my apologies. hmm this is a spam bad fish bad bad fish my apologies for this SPAM. as well. ;(
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well ok, that\'s better. umm...
:P
edit: *nudges Venge*
you skipped meh message >.<
there, I\'ll make it more visible for ya :P
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I agree that it is fun to reminisce about the \'old days\' when PS was brand new and remember the people who used to post then. Obviously as a mod I disagree that we mods do a crappy job modding these forums. :-)
My theory on why the old guard aren\'t around as much is because from their standpoint everything that can be said has been said. Every wish list item has been debated ad nauseam. Every n00b question has been answered 100 times. Even Kada gets impatient with them now.
CB\'s release will definitely bring a new flood of newbies and morons to these forums, but it will also bring new things for us all to talk about. And from that, some of the new people will prove themselves and be accepted by the happy few who have stuck around all this time.
But it is important to realize that the \"community\" is definitely a fluid, changing thing. Holding on to the past because of its familiarity, and criticizing the present because of its lack of familiarity is not a recipe for satisfaction on a forum or in life.
As a long time dev, I am very glad that some people have stuck with us (even off and on) this long. Seeing their hopes from 2 years ago fulfilled now instead of watching their hopes dashed like the dust from 1000 dead vapor free projects that disappeared 2 months later gives me a lot of satisfaction. I appreciate all the new people who find us--it isn\'t their fault they didn\'t find us in 2001 or 2002--but I appreciate the oldbies as well.
- Vengeance
p.s. Now if I can just get the oldbies to talk about something other than forum moderation policies... :-)
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Originally posted by Vengeance
But it is important to realize that the \"community\" is definitely a fluid, changing thing. Holding on to the past because of its familiarity, and criticizing the present because of its lack of familiarity is not a recipe for satisfaction on a forum or in life.
- Vengeance
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I am not a prolific writer, therefore I will try to keep this short. I have been reading posts on this forum now for several months and according to all definitions i?m a newbie. Furthermore, this will be my first post on this forum!! None the less, I felt compelled to add my two cents worth.
Nostalgia is a great thing but there is no future in it. Being an oldie is good but only if you use it to add depth and character to the community. Having newbies is important? without them there would be no oldies? and they may/will add more depth and character to the community. It is the interaction between members, whether new or old, that make a community. Both the members and the community are ?living? things that evolve and are ever changing. I think an important job the oldies can/should take upon themselves is to see that the evolution takes on a positive (which can mean a lot of different thing to different people) directions by guiding and setting example.
At last, I would like to say that not all oldies appear to me to be so beneficial to the community and not all newbies so detrimental. In fact I think that even a few of the oldies actually like having some of us newbies around.
Well I wasn?t too successful in keeping this short but at least I got that of my chest.
Hope to see you all in PS
Saz
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Well, my opinion on all this:
I bet even at the old days there were talks about older days. I can see it in the game I\'m creating with some guys. We\'re now two years down in development -- around beta -- and I was part of it since a year and a half. Well, I am not considered an oldbie, because there were people part of the development for 3 months longer. Anyway for the newbies were just all oldbies, cos they only joined 3 months ago, and a year seems so long.
This is quite the same in PS. The members who are here for over a year are considered equally an oldbie by the newbies as the players of old who have more than two years behind their account.
And don\'t forget that while talking bout the old days, you\'re talking about your own newbie times. I think everyone looks back at those times with nostalgy. So much to explore, such a future ahead. When I joined the game in august I simply loved it and played it countless hours. Recently I\'m picking up again with regular visits, this time not as an exploring newbie, but to help newer members around, give them the experience you had. I might in no way be an oldbie with my six months, but I think I come close to being one, and I think the real definition of an oldbie would be someone who can answer most experiences around PS with: \"been there, done that\".
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Saz: Heh dad, nice reasoning, it is indeed true that the current oldbies have never been newbies, because there were too few oldbies.
And I need to fix that image in my sig...
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Time in cyberspace has this whole mysterious offset from reality, it really doesn\'t make much sense. None of you are old, because this project is not old; unless you count it\'s origins sometime last millenium, which I don\'t think any of you were there. Given the scope of the project, which extends an unforseen number of years into the future, nobody should be even considered a veteran of this for at least a few more years. Think of it like a professional sports scale of time for how long you\'ve been there. This is just an infant league, so everyone is still a rookie.
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Originally posted by whemyfield
But i do have one thing to say about crystal blue. Really its going to HAVE to be a dissapointment. After 2 months tops its going to feel like molecular blue. Theres no way around it. Then nearing the next release (whatever-blue) people will ask the same questions all over again (when is the due date?, when is this feature going to be implemented?, how do I crouch?) and some of us are going to be sitting in our chairs thinking \"I remember when that was asked before crystal blue and even molecular blue\".
No, no, no Whemy! (You don\'t mind if I disagree with your opinion for a moment here do you? ;)) CB will not be a disappointment by any stretch of the imagination.
It is true that the same questions will get asked and that nearing the next release we will have a repeat of the situation we have now - it happens for each release, for a time there is lots of interesting discussion on the new version and many new people, which eventually gives way to us constantly asking when we are going to get a new version. It\'s just the nature of people to naturally want more I guess. But that stage is thankfully a long way off.
But placing a maximum 2 month life on CB is naive. You underestimate the impact of CB and what it will bring, as I\'m sure you would have underestimated the change from AB to MB. I can still log in to Molecular Blue and have a great time while I\'m there, after nearly a year of playing, surely that is testament to what we have here. Not bad for a tech demo now is it :P
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Wow! This thread is good reading for motivation.
All I can think of this is.. Why? :D Can anyone explain to me what the hell ppl were doing here even before AB?
There most have been something special that pulled you guys into it.
sorry for posting here without being a oldbie (1 year only), but I got to know.
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All I can think of this is.. Why? Can anyone explain to me what the hell ppl were doing here even before AB?
We came here that early on because we saw the potential of PS. We knew from that point that it was going to ba fun game. And once we started interacting we had enough fun on the forums alone that it brought us back day after day.
Venge, I don\'t think that the mods have gotten any worse. There\'s just more people now and there are less mods. It\'s too much for just Moogie to handle and you are rarely around. But as much as I give you guys a hard time I appreciate what you guys are doing. If I didn\'t, I wouldn\'t have stuck around this long.
Whemy, shut up.
As I\'ve said before we don\'t hate the newer players. I mean without them PS wouldn\'t be here. We just hate the newer players that are immature, which there are a lot of. Players like Davis and Levski and sit here and have an intelligent conversation with the older players. So I respect them for that.[/COLOR]
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Originally posted by whemyfield
But i do have one thing to say about crystal blue. Really its going to HAVE to be a dissapointment. After 2 months tops its going to feel like molecular blue.
I definitely disagree with that. CB might not even be the full game yet, but you can\'t rate a work-in-progress like PS like you would a normal game. For one thing, I think the community definitely makes up for the game being in its early stages. For another, just like you guys said, CB will bring in flood of morons, but it will also bring in a flood of nice, interesting people.
Imho, us newbies or midbies or whatever also see the potential of the game. I mean, there is a point where you say enough crystal hunting. But its the idea of the game and the community that makes us stick around. Not to mention the older players who usually spice things up a bit for us.
Edit: Niber, I\'ve only been here for two months ;).
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Note : this post is too long, you should just skip it ;)
Well, I\'ve been reading this thread and found it really interesting. It starts as a nostalgic reminder about the old times back to AB (a normal thing), then we see some ?oldbies? discussing about how much things have change since that time, and finally I read some discussions about who can call himself an oldbie, and who can not. This is where it disturbs me a bit. I?ve been playing this game since April, so now I?m about 10 months old, and I?ve been ingame regularly since then. I think you might consider me a ?midbie? (people like to classify each other, probably to feel like a part of a sub-community, though to me it appears more like setting up pointless barriers between them, but anyway). According to this thread, I consider that I could not be ranked as a newbie, but not as an oldbie either. It probably gives me a more objective opinion, so I thought this post was worth writing.
It is certain that as time passes, the number of newbies increases, and the ?quality? is not always the same as it used to be. This might be because when you guys started, you had been looking for such a game a long time, whereas now most people just find it randomly and decide to give it a try. So maybe these newcomers are less? hmmm? ?serious? (not all of them, of course). But there is nothing we can do to change that. As old players, most of you left the game (I mean that you are not ingame) for different, and understandable, reasons; and now, you may feel like the game is being ruled by newcomers who do not know you or even remember that you were here long before. You have known funny times in AB that will not come back, but it doesn?t mean that the new generation is spoiling these times. It has bring several news ideas, and if the fun now is different, it is still fun. How many of you guys have ever enjoyed a tavern or temple party, a climbing on the temple or in the cage, a game of hide&seek, and so on? This players have bring things to the game, with or without you, so I doubt that they consider themselves not as respectable as you are.
By calling yourselves oldbies, I feel like you are in fact trying to tell the other players that they must have respect and consideration for you, which I understand. However, you can not ask others to consider you as a reference and an elder just because you were there as the beginning of the game. Consideration is not something you can claim, it is something that you earn, you know that already. Also, being an old timer must not be a comfortable title you can rely on, it implies responsibilities, too : you have to transmit the game\'s values if you don\'t want them to get lost. Newcomers have consideration for those who helped them when they started the game, those who showed them how and why they liked this game so much, those who, in a way, are a part of the ?soul? of the game, regardless how long they have been playing. These players were taught by older players, and now they know that it is their role to pass on what they have learned, and to adapt it, because it is sometimes necessary. All of us have seen people being asked to watch their language at least once, for example. If no one had told them to, things would already be different.
Ow my post is so long, I am sorry ;). The point of what I have written is that you should not watch the newcomers coming and look down on them, for they would feel depreciated; but rather welcome them and show them how it is. It is hard, yes, but it is surely worth the pain. If the newcomers feel that they are excluded, they will form their own community, which could be better or worse, who can tell, but it would create tensions. Having a single united community is surely better : when someone come with bad intentions (cheating, insulting?) and see that everyone condemn his actions, he will not stay, most of the time (it is probably more complicated than that, but this is a good start). In such a community no one would need to say that he is an oldbie for others to respect him, they would already know him by reputation or, better, personally.
Now if an old timer feels like his name was forgotten and can not come back in the game, he must not consider it as definitive. The forum is a good way to keep up with the community, and when they will eventually come back, they will meet again old friends, and new ones. We all have an embittered grandfather who always complain how the youths have no respect for their elders, you wouldn\'t want to become something similar, now would you ;)?
p.s. My ingame character is Mayia, but it won\'t send me the registration mail on the first adress I gave :(
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Originally posted by Meyios
people like to classify each other, probably to feel like a part of a sub-community, though to me it appears more like setting up pointless barriers between them, but anyway
That is a good point, it totally skipped my mind. But I think that the reason that it was invented (all the classifications) was precisely that there were too many people. Everyone is still a member of the PS community, but there are now different groups of friends. Its like we are all one big family, but everyone has their own favorite siblings, while you communicate with everyone.
Originally posted by Meyios
You have known funny times in AB that will not come back, but it doesn?t mean that the new generation is spoiling these times. It has bring several news ideas, and if the fun now is different, it is still fun. How many of you guys have ever enjoyed a tavern or temple party, a climbing on the temple or in the cage, a game of hide&seek, and so on? This players have bring things to the game, with or without you, so I doubt that they consider themselves not as respectable as you are.
Another good point, something else that I took for granted but didnt check to see if they did it before. Also, you forgot to mention the ingame weddings and families. For instance Bora and Saz are married, and Phosphus is their son. But I disagree with you on your last sentence. I respect the older players not just because they have been here longer, but because they have stuck to the game. They haven\'t gotten pissed of at the annoying players and just left the game. They stuck to it, they made it more interesting, and they tried to add more flavor to it. And they succeeded. Look at Aendar\'s restarted guild, in example. How many new players think through their guilds like that? How many new players have the courage to only let one race in, considering that it may hamper their political aims and strengths? It goes to show that without a certain type of player, PS would just be a bunch of babbling crystal hunters who only care about getting rich.
Originally posted by Meyios
By calling yourselves oldbies, I feel like you are in fact trying to tell the other players that they must have respect and consideration for you, which I understand........ Also, being an old timer must not be a comfortable title you can rely on, it implies responsibilities, too : you have to transmit the game\'s values if you don\'t want them to get lost.
I think that by calling themselves oldbies they are trying to form a tradition here in PS. They are trying to influence newer players to become the type of player who gives spice to the game, as I mentioned earlier. Also, the oldies are in no way running from their responsibilities (that is how I understood your statement Mayia), in fact, they are thriving on them. Aendar, Kada, and all the other ones do show new players the ways of PS, the newbies that are willing to listen, anyways. Also, by making their guilds invite only, they create a new aspect of the game to strive for, not just crystal hunting. And in the newer players road to become a part of one of these \'exclusive\' guilds, they become someone who is reliable, trustworthy, and fun to be around.
Originally posted by Meyios
All of us have seen people being asked to watch their language at least once, for example. If no one had told them to, things would already be different.
Exactly.
Originally posted by Meyios
Having a single united community is surely better : when someone come with bad intentions (cheating, insulting?) and see that everyone condemn his actions, he will not stay, most of the time (it is probably more complicated than that, but this is a good start). In such a community no one would need to say that he is an oldbie for others to respect him, they would already know him by reputation or, better, personally.
But everyone would respect the older players nonetheless, because they would be the ones that created this community, and the ones that help out the newer players. But I do believe that one single united community is better than dozens of subcommunities.
Ok, sry everyone for posting a really long message after a really long message.....
I\'d just like to say one last thing. Up until a few weeks ago, I had no clue that there were people as old as 2 years here. When I did find that out, it just rocked my Planeshift world........ ;)
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\"The oldbies (us) joined to have fun. We joined because of the roleplaying aspect of a game that had to be in development for about a year before it even had the looks of a game.\" Yea, I am happy you finally saw that my queen.
I have to say that until now I entered in PS only 2 - 3 times ... and is not only me who did that.
And almost everything you\'ve all said is true (well except of the noobs), but think a little. I used to think like this, maybe forever I will have in my mind this com. split in 2 parts. And for me the ones I\'ve first met here will be oldbies, and the rest newbs. But this isn\'t right ... why we shouldn\'t have a single com. ? A united one?
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And almost everything you\'ve all said is true (well except of the noobs), but think a little. I used to think like this, maybe forever I will have in my mind this com. split in 2 parts. And for me the ones I\'ve first met here will be oldbies, and the rest newbs. But this isn\'t right ... why we shouldn\'t have a single com. ? A united one?
Right...... so how have us newbies been wrong? See that\'s one of the problems. Oldbies dismissing a lot of the newbies just because of their status.
But, we are one single united community, it\'s just that not many people realize it, or want to realize it...
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Windwalker pouts \" not fair you guys all left when just when i first came, would have been great to know more of you instead of only the few that i do know.... kada, golbez, annah, link :P , and the rest of u know who you are.... i think....\"
The good old days of playing...
PS according to my join date on the forums im not that old but ive been watching you for .... ever scince i got my first computer....3 years ago.. i think im getting old i cant remember
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Hmm 3 year oldies?? Now thats a feat!
But windwalker, don\'t complain, because I joined about 10 months after you! :( At least Aendar and Kada are still here. I\'ve seen Golbez around too, I think.
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A lot of the older people, like Golbez, hang around Kada\'s forums, you could go there...
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Well unfortuantly Kada\'s forums have been down for a long time. But Davis is right. Most of the older layers migrated there. Probably because it is a smaller community, much like the PS forums were back when we first joined. Her forums are packer with oldies, many who no one here has met. Although we\'re thankful for that, or at least I am, because it keeps too many of the newer people out. Not that we don\'t want you there, just that it keeps the immature people away. But if she ever gets them back up you should visit them some time.
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If I remember it\'s taking so long to get the forums back up because it\'s being redone
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Yep, apparently she\'s redoing the forums and the site. Can\'t wait until they\'re back up.
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Sounds interesting, I\'ll check it out sometime. That is, of course, if you don\'t mind me being there.
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hmmm
/me = Midbie yay :diamond:
i can say i joined the Game for the roleplaying aspect, honestly i have this fear of CB coming out, can you imagine how much the place is gonna change? I enjoy these days w/o all the killing and whatnot, where we are organizing and planning, mappin, writing.
I came to PS from EQ , after i realized how repetitive EQ can be (and i\'ve played since the original release) i searched for \"Free MMORPG\" boom ps came up, at first i will say i was disapointed, but then i read the story, the forums, boom i was hooked, the forums are what dragged me here, heh, then a month later link was banned for that Origin of Species thread ( memories :p ) i came at the turn of the tide as you can see.
In EQ there is no organization and planning and mapping (too many ands, i know) there is just kill kill kill! When CB comes out thats what i fear shall happen.
(will complete post when i complete the idea in my head)
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Sry, not to interrupt you or anything, but what\'s the Origin of Species Thread?
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ahah...a great thread, sadly I was gone when it was happening :(
Originally posted by Levski
Sounds interesting, I\'ll check it out sometime. That is, of course, if you don\'t mind me being there.
Of course Levski! It\'s not our decision, being it Kada\'s boards...and I don\'t think she would ever turn away a potential customer, no fighting though ;)
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It is a great thread.....
It\'s too bad Kada\'s boards are down for the moment.. and of course no fighting!
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*kicks the crutch from under Aendar* *watches as he falls and breaks his hip....wonders off aimlessly*
*harrases Kiern fof his purse money....beats him when he refuses to give up the purse* And now, more in the new wave of purse snatching.
Ah, Alina, now that\'s a name that brings a tear to my eye.....the local IRC hooch.
What about Witty.....that old b-sted. What about Golbez, i\'ve seen a post a while back made by him, but it was one of those RP things, so I said nah....
And that Dwarf guy, what\'s his name, Gion...yeah, he was cool. Elentor, Shock, Tok\'ra, Hobo(same person really) What bout TG? and cyo, binary, and that Magic guy, yeah, he was annoying, but I would give my dragon slayer to see him again.( i dun really have a weapon, i slay my dragons with a plastic fork)
So many times, so many memories....
Well, whatever did happen to the IRC, every time I get on there, no one talks, and that\'s boring? I memember hours of fun on there, wasted most of my time after work there, most of the time.
I think IRC was the binding juice of PS. There, ppl got to know one another, and this way, it was nice when some new shmuch who you met before, would introduce himself on the forum. Now, it\'s like 50+ ppl running for the president, this and that, who can remember all the bloody names, when some of us can hardly remember their shelf combo, or their suit number. Anyway, too much.
I say we have a moment of silence for the days gone by....and we need Link back, he is no more annoying then he was before.
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Originally posted by druke
...i have this fear of CB coming out, can you imagine how much the place is gonna change?...
Me too buddy... me too.
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ok, let\'s not get pessimistic here...
sure things in CB will change... along with commands like /ignore, /report (or something like that), GM looking over stuff
thanks to things like that the life of a n00b won\'t be as easy as now, when all you need to do is go online and start to annoy everyone... and there\'s also thing that when you\'ll be able to actually \"do\" something ingame, you\'ll have thy clear community on boards... things will change, but some for better...
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You mean you hope that there will be clear boards.. who knows? Maybe some kid that gets ignored ingame will find the forums.....?
Ahhh oh well..... It will be much fun to see our characters evolve though. It\'l be our legacy to pass on to newbies.. and Aendar and all those other oldbies? Well, their legacy is still being written, they\'re still going strong!
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I cant wait to be considered an oldie. Im already known as a regular but hardly an oldbie. It\'ll be nice. old man Whemy... I like the sound of that. \"OMG! the Trepor ate old man Whemy!\"
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Once the full version of PS comes out, where youl be able to own land. Whemyfield will be siting on the lawn near his castle yealing at the kids (newbs)....
\"YOU HULIGANS GET OFF MY EXESIVELY LARGE YARD!!!!\"
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Originally posted by RussianVodka
Once the full version of PS comes out, where youl be able to own land. Whemyfield will be siting on the lawn near his castle yealing at the kids (newbs)....
\"YOU HULIGANS GET OFF MY EXESIVELY LARGE YARD!!!!\"
Hehe
Anywho, I have a crazy idea.
Oldbie->Sir(/lady), Uncle(/aunt), or
Oldbie status would be defined by the devs, of course. :)
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Yeah I can definently see Whemy as the crazy old guy down the street, yelling at all the kids as they pass by.
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
Yeah I can definently see Whemy as the crazy old guy down the street, yelling at all the kids as they pass by.
Yup that\'ll be me, Crazy uncle Whemy. With his radical ideas of a flying machine to touch the crystal at the top of ylakium...
\"You kids don\'t know how hard it was to get weapons in my day! Took me 3 months to get a damn mug! And i had to hold it upside down too! Damn Youngin\'s, Think they have it rough! Why We didnt have a map either! If you wanted to know how far somewhere was you had to go up to the temple, run at it and keep jumping! I\'ve still got scars on my knees! When ya finally got up there you had to squint REAL hard and find your destination! *rants about how excessive yard is too small*\"
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I don\'t understand the discussion.
When i realized the first posts, i thought of these people, which can not live in the actual time. People, who think, that in the past all was better. People, who can not even enjoy growing up their children and hope, they will make it better... Does the human being not grow on its problems?
Later posts come out with the statement, that the old days had fewer forum members. And fewer forum members means more fun. Cause everybody knows everybody... What makes it difficult to live, laugh and play in a bigger community?
The next posts were about statements like: oldies = experienced, play good RP, are friendly; newbies = not really active, only want to be a hero, playing only for crystal hunting... How can you bring such \"status\" down to any forum member?
Am i a Newbie, because of my few posts? But if i do not have to say something? If i set great store by quality?
Am I a Newbie, because of the age? But i am 33...
Am I a Newbie, because only visited the server two times. But perhaps I would only have a look, only meet some role players?
I have a look at the forum as often as I can. And if there are some interisting things (like the big thread of Golbez\' pure RP), i do write some own thoughts... like now.
Yours, Winterheaven <- a NEWBIE ;)
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Originally posted by Winterheaven
Am I a Newbie, because only visited the server two times. But perhaps I would only have a look, only meet some role players? the age? But i am 33...
What??
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No no Winterheaven, as some of us stated, being a newbie isn\'t all about how long you have been here. I consider someone a newbie if they are immature and useless to the community. Examples of this are people such as Levski. He hasn\'t been here a long time but he came to this thread and had an intelligent conversation. In my book he is not a newbie, nor would I consider you a newbie because you could do the same. Yes I will always feel less friendly towards people who haven\'t been here as long but I don\'t disregard them just because they are new. The sad truth is that most new players are immature and come here only to spam and flame other players, so the term newbie becomes a negative term.
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winterheaven, i think they are using the term newbie of obnoxious annoying people....but i could be wrong. lol i am a newbie also but a \"cool newbie(well atleast in my box i am)\" i think newbie is more determined by matureity i mean the more mature you act the more respect you\'ll get. i mean im 14 (prolly easy to tell by my idioticness) but i have a semi imature level of thinking. But others like Levski who appear really mature i think people judge more by this then by anthing i could be wrong....
LOL i can imagine Whemy yelling at Anyone to stay off his lawn and shaking a rotting wooden staff and shooting off target spells... but back on topic.. :D
Edit: God You posted a sencond before me AendarCallenlasse and Kiern i beat you by a few senconds Haha :P
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Winterheaven, read more then the first few pages...it is defined what we are talking about later..yes, you are a newbie at some points, as that you are new to planeshift...and your age has nothing to do with it...
I also think it\'s obvious that the oldie\'s are not generally looked upon as nice, also that we made a point in saying that there is nothing bad necessarily about being a newbie, just that most new ones that post happen to be annoying (maybe one or two posted in the way you are saying, but definately not the majority to generalize like that)...get your facts straight before posting man.
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Arrgh, @Kiern. I wouldn\'t anger you. I read the pages... I read the posts. And i want only a decleration of the term. And I got it.
AendarCallenlasse: I consider someone a newbie if they are immature and useless to the community.
Nothing more to say... hopefully i am not too useless...
Yours, Winterheaven <- still a NEWBIE ;)
BTW, is Levski really a welcomed NOT-Newbie, because of its \"intelligent conversation\" or perhaps because of its flatteries for the oldies? *nictitates*
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It\'s alllll about the flattery.
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Flatteries?
Well I am avery egotistical person, but I don\'t think that stop the newer players from having a little respect for us older players. All of the oldbies have been around PS since before there was a game to play. We\'ve supported the PS team for years so I think a little respect is due. Levski has shown respect for us but he isn\'t immature. See now players such as whemyfield, he has been here for a little while, but I have more respect for Levski than I do for Whemy (Sorry Whemy). Why? Because Whemy is immature, Levski is not. If you can come to PS and actually converse with the older players without flaming anyone or spamming then you gain favor with us.
I don\'t care if someone questions me. Anyone can say that I\'m wrong that doesn\'t mean I will automatically hate them. that is if it is done in an intelligent manner.
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Originally posted by Winterheaven
And i want only a decleration of the term. And I got it.
That\'s the problem, there is no clear declaration of the word newbie, it means something different to everyone...it just depends on where you are coming from as to whether you take offense to it or not.
Originally posted by Winterheaven
BTW, is Levski really a welcomed NOT-Newbie, because of its \"intelligent conversation\" or perhaps because of its flatteries for the oldies? *nictitates*
Not for me no, I really hate flattery actually...exact opposite of the way I think (if that\'s not apparent ;) )
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I get no respect around here :P O well *eats pie and yells at children to get off his lawn*
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Whemy just likes to have fun :)
I don\'t think that \"newbie\" necessarily has negative connotations, I think it can be used to designate someone who doesn\'t know the \"personalities\" of the board too well.
On the other hand, some people come to the boards without stopping and considering that what they are saying may have already been said many, many times. I think that, more than anything, is what frustrates people.
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I think there shouldn\'t be any classifications such as newbs, oldies, etc. As long as you follow rules, don\'t post in wrong forums, act immature, you will do fine. no need to discriminate people that just came in. And there\'s no need to give yourself more respect just because you have been wasting your life here longer :P
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Classifications will inevitably arise - they aren\'t set in stone, but people tend to categorize things (including other people). It\'s just an efficient way of dealing with a lot of information. Inevitably, I will respect some people more than others simply because they strike me as worthy of respect.
I don\'t think real discrimination based on newness is prevalent on these forums - people with intelligent things to say are listened to. On the other hand, I think people who have been around longer are more likely to be able to get away with a spammy comment or two.
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Yeah sashok, if you have that opinion though...it is yours, but people will classify others no matter what...having it defined certainly would help.
Originally posted by dfryer
On the other hand, I think people who have been around longer are more likely to be able to get away with a spammy comment or two.
:D :D :D :D I so wish
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
No no Winterheaven, as some of us stated, being a newbie isn\'t all about how long you have been here. I consider someone a newbie if they are immature and useless to the community. Examples of this are people such as Levski. He hasn\'t been here a long time but he came to this thread and had an intelligent conversation. In my book he is not a newbie, nor would I consider you a newbie because you could do the same. Yes I will always feel less friendly towards people who haven\'t been here as long but I don\'t disregard them just because they are new. The sad truth is that most new players are immature and come here only to spam and flame other players, so the term newbie becomes a negative term.
That\'s why a lot of people make a distinction between newb and n00b.
newb-new person
n00b-jackass
Nobody \"discriminates\" against newbs, but what\'s wrong with discriminating against jackasses?