PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Cyrandir on February 16, 2004, 07:25:57 am
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First off I would like to complain about a character named Zleeb.... spouting off very vile and obscene rhymes last night at about 12:00 CST. Now I\'m not bothered by a little profanity, but this was excessive and really nasty stuff. What\'s to be done?
Anyway, the real question is, is there or are there plans for any code of conduct for players? Is this tolerable? If there are no rules in place or in planning, why? And if there are, who are we supposed to inform if this kind of thing persists?
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Hiya,
Thanks for raising this issue. PlaneShift has seen more than its fair share of rude, moronic visitors during its lifetime. Usually they won\'t hang around for more than a day or two before finally realising that they\'re wasting their time. However, things like this are still highly annoying, and can make other players leave the game.
In future, if there is an abusive player causing trouble online, please visit the public developer IRC channel immediately and ask for an admin to check out the situation. They will join the server and witness it happening for themselves, and kick the player if necessary.
Currently, as MB is only a tech demo release, there are no measures to prevent things like this happening, nor indeed to do much about it if it does. However, there will be some basic features in CB which can help.
1. The /ignore player command. If a player is annoying you, you can simply ignore him.
2. GM presence. GMs will moderate the game world and can be alerted by players if there is trouble. GMs will take the appropriate action against the offending player (silence, kick, ban, etc).
I don\'t know of any plans to implement chat-censors, but this may also be worth considering if the situation were to ever start escalating. As it is, I don\'t really think this is needed right now. Most PS players are mature and take care to not offend people with abusive language.
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Thank you for the information Mogura. It\'s much appreciated :) I agree that chat-censors are not necessary at the moment but it\'s good to know that the devs and moderators of PS may be open to such measures if the need ever arises.
Out of curiosity, who are the GMs at the moment? Any besides the devs? And what are the planned duties/numbers of GMs that can be expected to be in-game once it\'s really up and going, say after CB gets off the ground?
Thank you again
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someone should come up with swear/curse words unique to PS so that people who want to RP a rude/offensive character can do so without actually being rude/offensive
just a thought :)
hehe.. you son of an endukai :P
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If chat-censors were to be put in place, it would be nice to have them put in client-side as opposed to a global one on the server. Takes some of the load off the server and also would hopefully allow the user to decide whether or not he/she wants to have the chat-censor on or not.
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I dont mind people cursing to expres unhappynes, or overwelming joy... (f**k, a rabit killed my warrior) or ( f**k yeah, the dragona droped a magic axe). The ocational dirty joke i dont mind eather.
For me those things are ok. What i hate though is people just saying one curse over and over again to get attention... As long as that doesnt happen i dont care...
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well the best thing you can do right now is to ignore them as long as you don\'t feed the animal\'s they will aventually get bored and go away another good thing to do is talk in private with everyone else and the chat board become\'s very quiet and they get bored of that real fast once they relize no one is listening to them they try to target a single person to get a response but again if you can bite your tongue and ignore them they go away (i know at time\'s it\'s hard to do but it work\'s )
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Originally posted by Cyrandir
Out of curiosity, who are the GMs at the moment? Any besides the devs? And what are the planned duties/numbers of GMs that can be expected to be in-game once it\'s really up and going, say after CB gets off the ground?
Thank you again
Currently the only people with power above normal users are the developers. These include Vengeance, acraig, Talad and Boonet.
At the start of CB there will be no GMs, however this number will rise. Information regarding this will be released when CB is, but I can\'t say anything about it right now. :)
As for duties, that will depend on your GM \'level\'. Each level allows you control over a more important GM feature. For example, a top-level GM will be able to kick and ban players, spawn items, etc. A first-level GM may only be able to mute someone. (<-- Examples)
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brace yourself moogs bobo going for gm :tongue:
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*trying not to sound like a noob*
whats a GM?
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umm...
used to be Game Master
now maybe Game Moderator
...whatever
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oh
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It was Game Master, Is Game Master, and always will be Game Master.. :P
(aka, an ingame mod. :D )
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or ....
God-like Maniac!!!!!
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Originally posted by Deddarus
God-like Maniac!!!!!
Only if Sep was made a GM; God of Rouges, ha!
On a slightly differant topic, we need some RP profanities to get that same effect as using a real profanity but without being offensive.
Its great to see that the GM system is up and running for CB, that should eliminate quite a bit of that riff-raff. Not to mention /ignore.
On a side-note, if chat censors aren\'t implemented in CB, it would be a fairly trivial bit of code. You would just have to tokenize every chat string and compare each token to a predefined blacklist of words. If the word appears on the list, just replace that token with \"puppy\" or some other mild word. I could probably code up a cheap patch if there\'s any demand.
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what if some little 4 yearold girl is talking about \"pussy cats\" would that be censored?
Edit: although im not quite sure what a 4 year old would be doing in PS...
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Originally posted by Grakrim
...we need some RP profanities to get that same effect as using a real profanity but without being offensive.
... If the word appears on the list, just replace that token with \"puppy\" or some other mild word.
Why not combine the two? Instead of silly/fluffy words like puppy, why not replace it with the corresponding PS profanity :) Would be a fun list to compile... :D
I think a client-side filter would be an excellent idea, and like you said, not that much work in relation to other things. And for those that don\'t mind it could be turned off easily ( although I think it should be on by default ).
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PS profanity:
\'Son of an Endukai!\'
\'well dweller\'
[quote from settings page]Larger rubbish and bodies are simply thrown into almost vertical and apparently endless wells.[/endquote]
\'Pterosaur head!\'
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Chat filters ( in my limited online game ) experience do not work since people come up with \'creative\' ways to spell words. Often times there are too many false positives such as when people start talking about Dick Van Dyke and his pussy cats or how he cooks a large breast of chicken :)
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You do have a point there, O\' great acraig. But I\'ve always felt that censoring helps at times, especially for the easily offended. And if someone \"cleverly\" evades the filter, that\'s what your GMs are for, right?
I know I certainly wouldn\'t want to use the filter, but I think the option should at least be made available for those that do. Oh well, that\'s the fun of open-source ;)
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ive been a gm for a long period of time previously... if u seriously expect GMs to babysit the players by punishing everyone who says @$$ u r gonna have a team of very pale, bald, skinny, twitchy GMs.... i have also seen the stage that follows after this..... \'ADMIN Dev and his random banning finger!!!\' (basically the guy periodically went insane and banned random ppl he saw.... normally cos some irritating lil ba*d (<- see another creative 1.. ill let u work it out) had pushed him over the edge)
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Originally posted by Grakrim
You do have a point there, O\' great acraig. But I\'ve always felt that censoring helps at times, especially for the easily offended. And if someone \"cleverly\" evades the filter, that\'s what your GMs are for, right?
I know I certainly wouldn\'t want to use the filter, but I think the option should at least be made available for those that do. Oh well, that\'s the fun of open-source ;)
Well, I am more offended by ideas than words. Usually people that like to curse and swear a lot are usually very lacking in ideas so I tend to just tune them out. Eventually they get the point that nobody cares what they are saying and just leave. A filter could be easily placed on the client side if somebody wants to write one.
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Originally posted by Deddarus
if u seriously expect GMs to babysit the players by punishing everyone who says @$$ u r gonna have a team of very pale, bald, skinny, twitchy GMs....
*Ahem*
Rule 1:
No swearing in public, meaning channels or by shouting really loud. We don\'t care if you say \"F\" or shit when your dog gets eaten by a walking mushroom. Try to be creative, hmm?
Rule 2:
No excessive swearing. No swearing, just for the fun of it, running around, madly screaming insults and what-not at random people who happen to be in the area, or /tell\'ing people that they\'re big fat ugly devs with moustache on. We don\'t like that, and we don\'t care how we look in real life. :)
If those two rules are kept by GMs, no GM will have to babysit players who are obsessed with turning people in who lets out a small curse if they step in a pile of horsedropping, they will just take away the worst of the swearing, and it will act as an example to the rest, telling that cursing is bad. (Not evil, -BAD-)
Yes, I said \"shit\", the F-word however is forum-censored. Masking these words doesn\'t prevent people from knowing what it is anyway, so I don\'t see why there should be client-side censors either. Besides, someone will figure out a way to break these down and remove them, and then everyone will know it sooner or later.
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I guess I have to agree with Gronomist as general guidelines for public propriety. A little decorum, either voluntary or forced on the part of the players, is necessary to maintain order in a system where people can just shout and reach everyone in the zone. Everyone can feel free to be themselves, just don\'t go overboard.
Either that, or someone write a creative client-side filter. This really isn\'t that much of a problem now, but it very well may be as the population grows.
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Originally posted by acraig
Well, I am more offended by ideas than words. Usually people that like to curse and swear a lot are usually very lacking in ideas so I tend to just tune them out. Eventually they get the point that nobody cares what they are saying and just leave. A filter could be easily placed on the client side if somebody wants to write one.
Although effective against single culprits, the \"ignoring\" technique doesnt work when there are multiple offenders. Say there are like 3 or 4. They will continue to curse and spam and they won\'t stop because they feed off of eachother.
And with the expected boom of users in CB, I bet there will be far more than just 3 or 4. As PS gains more popularity, it becomes more desirable for younger audiences. Thus, the lack of maturity and the rise of flaming/spamming/and the oh so terrible \"attention-cursing.\"
How to prevent this? Root them out with the most strict policy ever known to online gaming. Ban them on the first offense. Soon, after several \"examples\" have been made, the rest will be too scared to even try to offend anyone. Ofcourse at this point you can loosen the reigns.
Thats just my opinion.
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Originally posted by Jehoel
Although effective against single culprits, the \"ignoring\" technique doesnt work when there are multiple offenders. Say there are like 3 or 4. They will continue to curse and spam and they won\'t stop because they feed off of eachother.
And with the expected boom of users in CB, I bet there will be far more than just 3 or 4. As PS gains more popularity, it becomes more desirable for younger audiences. Thus, the lack of maturity and the rise of flaming/spamming/and the oh so terrible \"attention-cursing.\"
Yes, that is more of a problem and when a GM can step in. CB will have /kick /mute and ban capabilities for GM\'s so I hope that this can help. We also have a petition system as well and the ability to record chat so you can record a players chat and then send in a petition that can be reviewed later on and justice can be done later.
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Originally posted by acraig
Yes, that is more of a problem and when a GM can step in. CB will have /kick /mute and ban capabilities for GM\'s so I hope that this can help. We also have a petition system as well and the ability to record chat so you can record a players chat and then send in a petition that can be reviewed later on and justice can be done later.
I like the record chat feature, sounds useful. Perhaps there could be in-game penalties as well? That way, anyone playing the game would avoid acting as such in fear of maybe losing some experience or something. That would have more of a lasting effect than kicking, but would not be permanent like banning.
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*sigh* i dont mean to be the butt hole here but really you guys, why arent you used to this kinda thing by now? being a veteran of MORPGs here i thought most of us would be all but immune to cursing and such. I mean I actually think its kinda funny sometimes. The cursing crazy asshole is my kinda guy. I mean I am not him all the time (although some would LOVE to dissagree) but its funny to not take the game so seriously and just enjoy being in game with friends and have a cursing crazy buffoon screaming and shouting and the such. Most of us in real life know that when your hangin out where ever you and your friends cuss every once and a while. heck me and my friends act like complete ass holes sometimes. However it is never hurtfull.
So my point here tonight is, if its hurtfull like \"hey you fag ur so gay dood, go hang urself\" then sure ban em! But if they are yelling \"wooot let\'s F***!!!1\" or \"hurry the F*** up A**hole, lol\" then it should be enjoyed and overall ignored. It lightens the spirit. I mean dont be such party pooper about it and constantly remind us \"ooh stop cussing there are children around and I dont appriciate your language. Dont be such a tight wad about it.
Maybe there should be seperate chat levels. Like a rp channel you can access where the only people that hear you are other people in the \"general channel\" If you want to rp you can have an \"RP channel\". If your near someone and you think they might be talking to you they can always give you a /tell or pm or whatever. I like this idea alot better. Those who like to cuss and overall have fun can have fun and thoes who want to rp or be tightwads can have their \"fun\" too.
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It\'s not that the language offends me, its that it just detracts from the community and game. It get\'s old hearing that kind of stuff in a video game, the point is I AM trying to relax, but it is more difficult if a bunch of people have to use ridiculous language in the game. Save it for your boss or teachers :P
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i agree (shock horror!!) .. i also think that the in-game society should dictate the consequences of foul language/unsociable behaviour... just likr IRL
eg.. IRL if someone is an arse.. u dont like em... u dont invite em along to yer parties... u dont do em any favours..... u may even repeatedly slap em round the head
equate this to ingame..
an irritating character would not be welcomed by many guilds, they would not be allowed to join many hunting parties.. they may get over-charged by craftsmen players due to the fact they dont like em
basically if u r an arse ingame... your ingame life will be harder + ppl will tell u to sod off a lot :P
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Deddarus thats not what im trying to get through. what im trying to say is its fun to cuss and kid around. like just the other day me and my friends found 50 dollars on the ground in front of the atm. it was awesome. we went and celebrated the 50 dollars by going and buying the biggest pizza we could at a great restaurant and we game the lady a 20 dollar tip.
That probally made her day and thats how we spread cheer. But as we were doing this we had lots of fun. we cussed like sailor and flirted around and acted like general assholes. But it was all in that last 20 seconds when i gave her that 20 dollars that her face lit up in relizing that we were really nice people looking to have a good time.
The same goes for bars. I act like an asshole and a drunk sometimes but i make up for it in other ways like doing favors, and when i get out of hand i calm down and appologize to the bartender/ waitress. So really i like being that way online and like having a good time. Just because someone wants to be a tightwad and have RPing and give me constant reminders on my behavior (taking down my fun factor) shouldnt be able to get me banned.
EDIT: made it look purty... :P
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\"eg.. IRL if someone is an arse.. u dont like em... u dont invite em along to yer parties... u dont do em any favours..... u may even repeatedly slap em round the head\"
The only problem with that theory, is in RL it is a bit easier to remember who has done what. In a game, where there are only so many different character models, it would be difficult to remember all the names of people who you didn\'t get along with. Not to mention, many of us play this to escape real life, and don\'t want to have to deal with that kind of immaturity. And how do you stop a person in game from coming to an event if they find out where it is? I guess in that case ignore could be used.
Now I\'m not against someone cussing occasionally while they talk, but even then it really detracts from gameplay. Maybe we could make in-game swears, something that has nothing to do with real life. For example, although not a swear, people say Jesus Christ! Well, in game, we could have it where people said Laanx! to the same effect (not a new idea). That way characters could rp AND swear :P
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I like this in-game thing, maybe they could also be fined a certain amount or something if caught or have to give up their items if they can\'t pay, something like that...and if they continue to offend may even get banned from that city, I think banning them from the entire game won\'t really have an effect since they\'ll just create a new character. (I do like the mute thing though)
But, of course, this is only if it\'s like in the middle of a city and their shouting it to people, I think that out in the open when people are hunting, it should be more lenient...and if they own an \"area\" (house,etc.) it should totally be up to them.
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thats why we should have channels in our chat feautre
General- Say what you want when you want to who you want
Rp-go here to be a tightwad
lol a little more advanced than that :P but you get my point. I wanna have my kind of fun and someone else can have thiers. much like a smoking and non smoking section.
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Smoking is one of the stupidest things a person can do.
Anyways, if they want to be like that, they can always get mIRC or something and talk on there...you can\'t just let people do what they want...some people can\'t help but push, look where it got the boards...and no, I don\'t care about your opinion on them.
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i dont care if you like my oppinion kiern, that is kinda going with my point. you can respect your oppinion and i can respect mine by having seperate chat channels. that way you can use tell for important things, but for everyday stuff we can all have our kinds of fun. if you screw around on the rp channel, get warned and maybe banned. Be a tightwad on the general channel, get called a tightwad and go to the other channel. Smoking maybe dumb to you, but to the next guy, he may love it. Who cares, lets respect each other and make a number of chat channels in game.
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Originally posted by whemyfield
Smoking maybe dumb to you, but to the next guy, he may love it.
That doesn\'t mean it isn\'t a dumb thing to do. Smoking causes cancer- that\'s not an opinion, that\'s a cold hard fact.
On Topic: As you probably already know, there will be seperate channels for IC and OOC chat, in addition to say, shout, guild, tell, etc. Still, it\'s not nice to see people talking in a particularly brash or vulgar manner, even if they arn\'t being as offensive as they could be. There\'s no need to use foul language to enjoy a game and enjoy time with your friends. Anyone who disagrees with that has something socially wrong with them. :P (or they have a very good reason that I havn\'t thought of... feel free to suprise me).
[Edit: Typo]
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Yeah, thanks Mogura, people can still love stupid things, it doesn\'t make them any less wrong.
Back to the topic.
Don\'t get me wrong, I don\'t mind people using language that might not be acceptable to others, I\'m very good at shrugging that kind of useless junk off.
But if you don\'t, there will always be someone whining about so and so using bad language so it made them cry and they can\'t sleep at night...I really don\'t think being able to say something when you can use other words is really worth that annoyance...besides that, it lessens the game overall.
As for the OOC chat, burn it! X(
EDIT: Get off the damn smoking thing.
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Originally posted by Mogura
Originally posted by whemyfield
Smoking maybe dumb to you, but to the next guy, he may love it.
That doesn\'t mean it isn\'t a dumb thing to do. Smoking causes cancer- that\'s not an opinion, that\'s a cold hard fact.
Oh but saying smoking is dumb is such an opinion. plus cancer is not 100% proven to come with smoking. in fact 40% of lung cancer patients have never touched a cigrette in thier life. Saying something is dumb when it comes down to it is an opinion because it may be someones closely held belief that is not dumb.
Now on to the real topic here. I have said some of us relax and have fun by cussing mogura. so that is our opinion. just saying we are butholes and banning us or flaming us doesnt make anything more or less acceptable.
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im still with whemmy on this (despite him arguming with me when i was agreeing with him...lol)
Dont force your oppinions onto other people.. dont assume because you BELIEVE you are right that u r in FACT right... and because you think what you do is the right thing to do dont judge people for doing their thing
i understand the argument that some ppl dont want to have to deal with certain behavioural traits... but i REALLY dont think u r ever gonna stop it... there will always be an excuse, a loophole, an ambiguity to stop rules against such things being enforced properly
in my oppinion the best thing we can do is to react as we would IRL
As for the forgetting who did what scenario... maybe a player tagging system (makes their name appear red or whatever).. kinda like an anti-buddy list... a blacklist if u will
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Originally posted by Deddarus
im still with whemmy on this (despite him arguming with me when i was agreeing with him...lol)
Dont force your oppinions onto other people.. dont assume because you BELIEVE you are right that u r in FACT right... and because you think what you do is the right thing to do dont judge people for doing their thing
i understand the argument that some ppl dont want to have to deal with certain behavioural traits... but i REALLY dont think u r ever gonna stop it... there will always be an excuse, a loophole, an ambiguity to stop rules against such things being enforced properly
in my oppinion the best thing we can do is to react as we would IRL
As for the forgetting who did what scenario... maybe a player tagging system (makes their name appear red or whatever).. kinda like an anti-buddy list... a blacklist if u will
I think you and whemmy need to play f2p r*n*sc*pe (as it is now) for about two months, and then come back here.
The game is a joke. Its members are obnoxious, rude, arrogant little twits who curse every sentence. The chat part is totally ruined because of excessive filtered words. Its impossible to have a decent and logical conversation with anyone in that game. There is excessive scamming...etc. etc.
The list goes on.
You dont prevent things like this from happening by letting everyone do as he/she pleases.
Excessive freedom creates anarchy in the world of online gaming. Im sorry you can either accept this or you can live in denile.
The only reason PlaneShift has stayed as pure as it has is because all the n00bs are scared away because of the lack of fighting/other fancy features. But soon this will change and it will attract all kinds of n00bs. We have to prepare for this. Theres no way around it.
Its not a matter of personal opinion of whats right and wrong. Its about creating a safe and enjoyable role playing environment and filtering out those who choose to threaten it.
[revelation]OR after rude n00bs begin to accumulate and fill up the server, we could just start another server that only a few elite players would know about and then we could build the ultimate communist society in which all are equal and the n00bs would be stranded on old server cursing and doing god knows what....[/revelation]
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what are you talking about. r00nscape isnt a HORRIBLE game. i played it for several months. you cant really expect that much from a game that is free I mean cmon. Plus the cussing isnt that bad at all! I mean it isnt at all. Its actually almost perfect. Most people dont actually talk that much in game in the first place. 90% of the people i found were nice and friendly and gave me things, 5% were loners and told me to go away as they were leveling up and the other 5% were complete assholes. i would say thats a pretty good ratio. Slamming r00nscape isnt going to make anything better. The point is I Have played alot of mmorpgs, and every single one that gets slammed as a horrible game because its the most popular, usually is a fun quality game.
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Originally posted by whemyfield
what are you talking about. r00nscape isnt a HORRIBLE game. i played it for several months. you cant really expect that much from a game that is free I mean cmon. Plus the cussing isnt that bad at all! I mean it isnt at all. Its actually almost perfect.
Apparently not, because if it were, then you\'d be screwing around on r*n*sc*pe right now instead of hanging around a \"real\" rping game that isnt even close to completion.
Most people dont actually talk that much in game in the first place.
People don\'t chat because theres rarely anyone worth chatting with.
In fact, probably the only chatting you\'ll see is the average \"buying/selling/trading/begging/scamming\" spam.
90% of the people i found were nice and friendly and gave me things
Like this is a good thing?. It just feeds the fire of the ever-present plague of beggars.
The point is I Have played alot of mmorpgs, and every single one that gets slammed as a horrible game because its the most popular, usually is a fun quality game.
I\'m not slamming it because its popular... I am slamming it because it sucks. Its so boring and repetitive. Its graphics are horrible... its constantly laggy and sluggish. 90% of the game consists of slowly walking back and forth between several destinations (that vary according to what basic skill you excel in) only to begin a tedious pattern of clicking and selecting, and repeating. All whilst an onslaught of immature n00b spam goes on in the background.
But hey, if thats what you like, then why dont you go play it instead of hanging around here and trying to ruin a fantastic RP game that has alot of potential?
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It\'s simple, if a person is being overly abusive you ignore them. If it starts bothering everyone you report them.
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My first online game was R00nscape but I quit that because of 2 reasons money was repetitive to acquire and 3 because of the chat system not only did it censor numbers like 1312412 or AOL (I know its hell but anyway) and all messaging systems. Its swearing system was crud and if PS system gets like that then I will quit.
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Originally posted by Jehoel
Apparently not, because if it were, then you\'d be screwing around on r*n*sc*pe right now instead of hanging around a \"real\" rping game that isnt even close to completion.
actually the reason why im here is because my account got hacked. I didnt feel like gettin all my crap back so I thought it was time for a new one anyways. But dont start bashing me because i liked the game. it wasnt that bad of a game, and im deffinally not a fan boy but to say a game is crap when its actually pretty good and free, thats just retarded.
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I managed to finish tutorial in runescape, I couldn\'t stand it any longer.
Anyway, it seems like runescape has nothing to do with roleplaying and if mmorpg has nothing to do with roleplaying, then yes, it is crap
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Originally posted by whemyfield
Originally posted by Jehoel
Apparently not, because if it were, then you\'d be screwing around on r*n*sc*pe right now instead of hanging around a \"real\" rping game that isnt even close to completion.
actually the reason why im here is because my account got hacked. I didnt feel like gettin all my crap back so I thought it was time for a new one anyways. But dont start bashing me because i liked the game. it wasnt that bad of a game, and im deffinally not a fan boy but to say a game is crap when its actually pretty good and free, thats just retarded.
Oye.
That explains a lot...
:rolleyes: You do realize how stupid you sound in this thread, don\'t you? No?
Bah.
Well, OT things first. Smoking does cause cancer, too bad. Let\'s show you some logic here.
Inhaling smoke from a fire is not good for you.
Therefore, since a cigarette is lit and burned by fire, inhaling from it is not good for you. Got that? Good.
Now, on-topic stuff. Whemy, you are a nutcase. Calling RP\'ing \"Tightwad\" in a game such as planeshift will ensure your scorning. That has already happened.
Human interpretations of feelings differ. Since relaxation is a feeling, interpretations of it differ as well. Your view of relaxation is not like mine at all. My view includes rp\'ing. I don\'t find cussing jerks very relaxing.
Say I come up to and start cussing and blabing and flaming you because of your almost \'anti\'-rp\'ing views. Wouldn\'t that be stressful, not relaxing?
If you are going to keep that attitude of yours go back to 5p00n5c@p3.
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1st to be off topic, smoking is not 100% proven to cause cancer, if it was then the tobacco companies would all be out on the streets. Their still doing pretty well for themselves. Im not saying its not bad for you. Ever since we wrapped a herb in paper and lit it on fire and inhalled the burning contents, we never once thought \"wow i feel healthier already!\" I know its bad for you, but its not proven it gives you a deadly terminal deasease that is non curable.
2ndly I dont care if I look stupid in this thread because I\'ve posted the truth the whole time, and never exagerated the truth to make a point as much of you have.
3rdly i never called the rping community tightwads. I called them tightwads, if they were in the general channel expecting only rping to be discussed. This is because there would be another channel for that to be mentioned.
4thly to add to that I rp as well. I dont hate rping, nor do i flame it. I in fact enjoy it. But once in a while, I like to have fun kill a couple of monsters, make some funny comments, in which some of them involve cursing. I dont want to say \"in laanx\' name\" or any of that crap, because it doesnt feel like anything i would say. Maybe i cuss for fun to blow off a little steam? Your life isnt the only one that is stressfull.
Lastly i would like to say \"stop bashing runescape\" Just because you didnt enjoy it doesnt mean that no one else did either. Im here because my account got hacked. This is fault on my part for having such a simple password. The game is not horrible, the people on it are mostly nice (yes thats a very good thing, freakin moron) and although the roleplaying part may not be part of the game, name 6 games that actually do involve rp. Now give me 3 online ones. Theres almost none. Morrowind is the only game that was actually fun to RP for me and maybe NWN, but so far none of them count as MassiveMultiplayerOnlineRolePlayingGames.
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Originally posted by whemyfield
name 6 games that actually do involve rp. Now give me 3 online ones. Theres almost none.
does it change the fact that if mmorpg has nothing to do with roleplaying then it is crap? Not really.
oh and:
Fallout, Morrowind, ADOM
EQ, UO, very long list of MUD\'s
that would make a bit more than 6 games that involve rp and 3 online ones.
btw: I don\'t see how discussion about runescape is on topic
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fall out does a good job at rping but i cant say much else for the rest of the list that you have made. Eq roleplays just as much as r00nscape, i mean the people that play are the same ones who play r00nscape. Muds are not massive so that takes the muds out, and as for UO, the rping in that game was great but became very sour and empty as the flood of the newbs occurred. Now actually none of these games count because they do not involve rping. They have players who choose to rp, but you never have to rp to play the game. Hopefully PS will be a first, but like i said, I would like to take a break once and a while and lollygag around and joke around.
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you asked for games that involve rp, not force it, and:
Fallout - ok
Morrowind - you can do pretty much what you want, be evil or good, follow your role
ADOM - I bet you have no idea what this is, anyway a game that gave a lot of possibilities to rp
EQ - people don\'t roleplay, but game itself gives the possibility, it\'s full world where you can do what you want.
UO - as above
MUD\'s - you said online, nothing about massively (however you could find that without bigger problems) again gives possibility to roleplay
and no, go and bash monsters isn\'t something I call \"full world\"
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Originally posted by whemyfield
Lastly i would like to say \"stop bashing runescape\" Just because you didnt enjoy it doesnt mean that no one else did either. Im here because my account got hacked. This is fault on my part for having such a simple password. The game is not horrible, the people on it are mostly nice (yes thats a very good thing, freakin moron) and although the roleplaying part may not be part of the game, name 6 games that actually do involve rp. Now give me 3 online ones. Theres almost none. Morrowind is the only game that was actually fun to RP for me and maybe NWN, but so far none of them count as MassiveMultiplayerOnlineRolePlayingGames.
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Well now, where do you think I came from?
That\'s right, Racoonscape. :P
It\'s good for a java game, I\'ll give it that. But it does get boring.
Anywho, my computer can play better games than that for the same free price tag.
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I still don\'t understand those people that hunt crystals all day... ?(
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Originally posted by Monketh
I still don\'t understand those people that hunt crystals all day... ?(
haha...me neither man :P
As for runescape, I played like 5mins total time...people just gave me stuff...I clicked a bunch of times...and I won. :baby:
Anyways, I don\'t see what any of this last argument has to do with profanity in PLANESHIFT...who cares what other games do, they also have pay to play.
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Originally posted by whemyfield
1st to be off topic, smoking is not 100% proven to cause cancer, if it was then the tobacco companies would all be out on the streets. Their still doing pretty well for themselves. Im not saying its not bad for you. Ever since we wrapped a herb in paper and lit it on fire and inhalled the burning contents, we never once thought \"wow i feel healthier already!\" I know its bad for you, but its not proven it gives you a deadly terminal deasease that is non curable.
Ok..... It has been proven to cause cancer...
It actually contains 52 ingredients that cause cancer...
And tobacco companies aren\'t on the streets because
they simply have too much money. Also, teenagers get snagged every day.
And I have also given up on xtal hunting.
On-Topic
Even if there will be in-game moderators, people will still come to Planeshift who haven\'t witnessed someone getting kicked out, or who have no respect for them. Therefore, it would be wise to make a screen in the install sequence where you agree to follow in-game rules and restrictions.
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couldnt hurt :)
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Cancer blah blah blah, the smell is horrible, I make people who go in my store smelling like that get the hell out.
Yeah Levski, but not many people would read it anyways, there isn\'t much of a better way to do it without seeming too harsh though...not that I care about things being too harsh ;)
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It\'s been a quite long time since last visited the region, and nothing has changed :->
About smoking, technically, it does not provoke cancer. It helps it appearing. If you do not have a genetic tendence to cancer (and that happens) you won\'t have cancer by smoking. However, it is still bad for you in other ways. And it does stink. It also has good effects (or people wouldn\'t do it) as helping brain activity, and removing stress.
Moreover, it is absolutely irrefutable that living provokes death. That won\'t stop us loving life, would it?
About language, I have to agree more with Kiern. Freedom is a wonderful thing, but it also carries a heavy responsability. Freedom asks for respect. In the real world, respect is less and less present; in the online worlds, it is almost unexistant in too many cases.
I can not see a good reason to play a role-playing game when you do not want to role-play. When you are in Yliakum, it is not you, human computer user, who is there, it is some other character you are animating. It has not your cultural background, maybe not even your personality. However, you created it. Now, play the game, or leave.
I hate freedom limitations. But this is about a different freedom. The freedom to be an Yliakum unhabitant, and not a teleported Earth unhabitant lost in Yliakum.
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Ok where to start.
First of all why the hell are cigarettes being discussed here? That has nothing to do with profanity in PS.
Second Whemy there are hundreds of MUDS that are massive. Massive doesn\'t mean graphics.
Third I played Runscape. I played for a day. I hated it. And in case you haven\'t noticed that game\'s name has been censored. Say anything? I think so.
Fourth RL Profanity shouldn\'t be used in game because none of it pertains to PS. You can\'t say \"God D*mn it\" in game because there is no \'God\' People in the PS world would say something along the lines of \"By Laanx\" It doesn\'t sound bad because you don\'t use it in rl. If your character grew up in PS it would be bad.
But once in a while, I like to have fun kill a couple of monsters, make some funny comments, in which some of them involve cursing. I dont want to say \"in laanx\' name\" or any of that crap, because it doesnt feel like anything i would say. Maybe i cuss for fun to blow off a little steam? Your life isnt the only one that is stressfull.
Fifth whemy if you need to cuss to blow off steam do it somewhere else, not in a game where other people want to play in peace. anyone who openly cusses on shouts in PS is simply looking for attention. I am no saint I cuss all the time. But I wouldn\'t walk down the street shouting at the top of my lungs. I would mutter it under my breath or simply say to myself. So if you need to cuss in game why would you shout it everytime?
4thly to add to that I rp as well. I dont hate rping, nor do i flame it. I in fact enjoy it.
Sixth LMAO.
i never called the rping community tightwads. I called them tightwads, if they were in the general channel expecting only rping to be discussed. This is because there would be another channel for that to be mentioned
Seventh, let\'s see this is a roleplaying game...this is the section for posting info about a role playing game....hmm so how are they being tightwads again?[/COLOR]
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i look upon this game as a place you CAN RP if u want to... i dont believe it was ever stated that it should be mandatory... sometimes i like to talk RL stuff with my ingame buddies.. that so bad?
sepperate chat channels would mean that if im talking RL stuff i dont ruin the atmosphere of thr RPers... however instead of subscribing to only 1 channel... just have 2 sepperate chat windows (or 2 panels within the same 1)... then RPers could choose to close the NON-RP window if they dont wish to have the atmosphere riuned
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I\'m not saying anyone has to strictly rp. All I\'m saying is don\'t come here and critize those who do rp and complain about it. That\'s what this game is for.
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Originally posted by Deddarus
i look upon this game as a place you CAN RP if u want to... i dont believe it was ever stated that it should be mandatory... sometimes i like to talk RL stuff with my ingame buddies.. that so bad?
sepperate chat channels would mean that if im talking RL stuff i dont ruin the atmosphere of thr RPers... however instead of subscribing to only 1 channel... just have 2 sepperate chat windows (or 2 panels within the same 1)... then RPers could choose to close the NON-RP window if they dont wish to have the atmosphere riuned
The only problem I have with that is that I would probably be paranoid that other people are trying to chat with me on another channel, but I wouldn\'t see it because I only have rp channel open. Thus, then I would want both channels open at the same time, which would totally defeat the purpose of having them seperated in the first place.
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thats what /tell is for... and it can be ignored
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WHATS RP!??!
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Role-Play
ie sticking to a character set in the environment of a game
ie
\'Man this game is lagging\' = not RP
\'There appears to be some mystical force at work slowing time\' = RP
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Originally posted by Deddarus
\'Man this game is lagging\' = not RP
\'There appears to be some mystical force at work slowing time\' = RP
That\'s the reason I never bother to RP in games- it\'s too long to type like it all the time, and besides, it sounds slightly... well... you know. :P
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Originally posted by Mogura
it sounds slightly... well... you know. :P
I know... but not slightly.... very!
very cool Deddarus :D
great way to talk about lag :)
Mogura, did you ever get the point that the point of roleplaying game is to roleplay? :P
dunno... sounds obvious to me *shrugs*
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i remember when i was a gm once with my main goal to help out the newbies. its fun when some random person is making fun of a newbie and then i come along and send a couple of pms saying something like this \'im gonna teleport you up onto that roof and if that guy annoying asks how you did it tell him \"dont you know noob? lol\"\' heh. thats always funny. all thats needed is active devs (one online atleast every 4 hours) and good mature members and we should be fine :)
i think role playing should be used as much as possible unless you are having a private chat with someone since if they ask how old you are you dont really want to say that your a 68 year old xacha heh
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Originally posted by Syzerian if they ask how old you are you dont really want to say that your a 68 year old xacha heh
eh? that\'s what I do all the time :D
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heh you can ban an entire gateway but like
ban:
203.543.6.7
456.736.9.0
etc...
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u can ban an entire country
on my old server where i was GM we had problems with practically every itailian player on the server (seems there was a craze of exploiting mmorpgs sweeping thru italy at the time)... so the admin (who was a lil loopy at times and was known for his \'random banning finger\')... just went \'Fine then!!!\' and banned the whole of italy lol
we let em back after about a year or so