PlaneShift
Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Toadhead on March 07, 2004, 06:23:52 pm
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what about ships? You can travel over the sea\'s with it, you can buy your own ship and be the captain of it :P You could have pirates that will attackother ships etc.
Have no idea if it is possible :/
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I doubt there will be ships. Magic portals will most likely provide for transport across water.
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Aww.. but ships would be cool ;)
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I\'d better ride a huge swimming monster :P
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Will we have a sea? The PS world is underground (though if you can have underground lakes, I guess you could have an underground sea)
How will the magic portal work? What if your not a mage and can\'t work it? I think we should have a NPC working the portals, and we would have to pay to use them, unless you have enough magic skill and you could use them yourself of course.
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I wouldn\'t mind being admiral of a fleet of ships :) Imagine 5 great vessels lined up around the coast of a city, leaving it in ashes..awww its heart warming! :D
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Until of course I jump on ur ship and slit ur throat for ruining my rose garden :P But yeah I wouldnt mind the ship idea (a nice little Man-O-WAR would suit me just fine) but, if it is too big and will make the game take much longer until it is done then well, forget it
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They could always add it in an update...that\'s what they\'re doing for lots of other things...
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Originally posted by Waylander
Until of course I jump on ur ship and slit ur throat for ruining my rose garden :P
Well you just ruined any chance of a surprise attack :D
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*hits depthblade* suprised? :P
Yeah but it seems like it would be pretty big and there are updates I would like more than ships so later on I guess
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Am I the only one who remembers that there\'s going to be air transport? Wouldn\'t that negate the need for ships? I mean, there\'s only lakes as far as I read, and you\'ve like, got people who live IN the lakes, so ships just totally wouldn\'t fit. It needs to be something more unique, like Elscouta suggested, a sea animal or something.
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Planes are common...yet we still you freights and all sorts of other ships...besides, there is a fisherman profession....unless you\'re underwater spearfishing, or fishing off the shore, you\'d probably want a boat...
Edit: speaking of which: does anyone have a general idea on how much a megaras is going to cost? do you think it will be comparable to a pterasaur, or a lot less?
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Originally posted by Ald\'Amun Dungeonrunner
Edit: speaking of which: does anyone have a general idea on how much a megaras is going to cost? do you think it will be comparable to a pterasaur, or a lot less?
magaras is going to be ery expensive, read the setting, only one aloud per major guild.
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double post
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uummmm...but it says the same thing for pterasaur...I was just wondering about the pricing in comparison...sounds like they take less care to preserve...so they\'d be cheaper...
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Well I think ships are very much needed make a expansion of water if necessary and have a few islands, we don\'t only need battle ships there can be merchant ships, supply ships and such if you want something from a different territory and its to go in your castle or cottage/home whatever it should be put over boat with some sort of tax. That can go for the same for shop owners who want rare goods from different lands it can be transfered over boat. Then think if that supply ship or merchant ship gets sunk or whatever then the shop it was going to will have to manage without supplies and so would players for awhile. It would make for some interesting scenarios :D
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Maybe there could be player built boats, it could use wood cutting and carpentry skills, maybe have it require a bunch of people or a guild to make.
Or if you have low skills in those areas or are alone you could build a cheap raft.
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Woohoo, atacking a man o war with my cheap raft all the way, cool idea though, the building of ships
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the only ships would be like rafts of little boats like sailing shits prob lol. The would only go on the 7th level as this is the surface of the largest lake in yliakum.
maybe in other worlds lol.
magic portals created by like whats his face the other god mentioned the powerfulest one. Not talad or laanx. The one that helped them get people to populate yliakum. Any way theses magic portals only act as doorways to other worlds, not doorways to different parts of Yliakum.
Most travel will prob be done on foot anyway. This will make it more difficult to get to places and will also require alot of attention to the world details to keep players from being bored and from counting every little second.
there was also animals to ride. ya one pterasaur one megaras (or whatever) for each guild so it makes these a luxury. so you cant really hope for one of these unless you are a guild leader lol and a rich one at that. But there are also like land based animals like prob horses.
to move through levels i think with flying animals there are going to be like wide tunnels in the sideds of the stalactite thing which you fly between or maybe just big holes in the roof. Big holes prob like waterfalls because they say that there is like 7 rivers running into Yliakum and these probably soak through and erode the ground. if not then water runs down holes in side of stalactite to lol.
to move through levels there was also like pulley run lifts owned by merchants so that you would like pay to use these but this makes it really easy to
then for poor people or like newbs there is stairs in side of stalactite. really long boring stairs with occasional rest stops lol.
For your main idea i think yes carts could be made if you didnt own animal and could pay driver. maybe like a goods trader. Is there a trading job in PS? you have carts driven by horsies or just attach luggage to pack mule
so there
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I would realy like it to fish at my boat, sleep at my boat, bring others to other islands for money, attack other ships with your guild etc. but thats my opinion :)
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owww yeah, ships would be neat!
Then i use fire-magic and light ur sails on fire, and then i make ur ships burn to ashes while you and ur men are still on board, and then i would have a major laugh:D
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well, there are posts about ships before,
ships would be cool, but rather useless i guess,
but i am wondering if there is gonna be land-transport,
like some horse-like creature,
that would be neat,
since them expensive flying thingys wont be in my possesion for a looooong time !
And i\'d like to know if there\'s some site or post where i can read what\'s gonna be in CB, cause i see some people know, I\'d like to too.
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for example (dont laugh)
(http://users.pandora.be/drankenhandel.van.vlierden.nv/images/rideable_creature.gif)
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Yes, you\'ll be able to ride land monsters. Information about CB is not summarized anywhere imho, except in the mind of some people.
and use [img)[/img), replacing ) with ]
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what about a adding pokemons? Ofcourse not pokemons but Ice dragons, Fire Dragons and other creatures :P You can train them, learn them various tricks and combat moves (attacks) and let them fight with others :P
edited: OMFG, http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=7661&boardid=11&styleid=3&sid=b03446a20dee9f1a5175bfcad1301b5f
WHY IS EVERYTHING ALREADY SUGGESTED???? I wonder if there is something that is not suggestion yet :/
Toadhead
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Well, riding was of course a lot suggested, with foods and others trivial things. Remember that this forum is here since ... well i wan\'t here when they created it. And look at the post count :) We need to have something to do while waiting CB. (Note to the devs: don\'t think releasing CB will lower the number of requests, muahahaha :D)
And i have heard that devs don\'t want \'classic\' monsters, especially dragons and pok?mons :P
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What about giant snake-like creatures??? You can edit them and meke em look original
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Well, that\'s what pterausors were made for... 8)
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Ships are still a good idea definately
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Chariot kind-o-thought
(http://users.pandora.be/drankenhandel.van.vlierden.nv/images/cargo_beast.gif)
heheh ... i know, lame design
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i like how you write bag on the actually bag :)
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yeah, people might think its some sort of \"giant-egg\"
you never know :-D
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\"what about a adding pokemons? Ofcourse not pokemons but Ice dragons, Fire Dragons and other creatures You can train them, learn them various tricks and combat moves (attacks) and let them fight with others \"
arent they gonna add that i think i read something (it could be here or some other rpg im not too sure)
that they are gonna add familiars or something like that. or am i confusing with something else?
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Yes we will have some sort of animal training since it is a job, I dont know much about it, search for it :]
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Post on Overall Transporation:
http://planeshift.oodlz.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=5489&boardid=11
Look before you post. Before, mind you, not after.
magic portals created by like whats his face the other god mentioned the powerfulest one. Not talad or laanx. The one that helped them get people to populate yliakum. Any way theses magic portals only act as doorways to other worlds, not doorways to different parts of Yliakum.
Hmm... There is a reason, after all, why Planeshift is called Planeshift. The portals, I believe, could require several mages combining their power to open. Powerful mages, as these doorways to different planes/worlds would take quite a bit of strength. Obviously.
For your main idea i think yes carts could be made if you didnt own animal and could pay driver. maybe like a goods trader. Is there a trading job in PS? you have carts driven by horsies or just attach luggage to pack mule
I\'m pretty sure there will be a merchant job of some sort some time.
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
Will we have a sea? The PS world is underground (though if you can have underground lakes, I guess you could have an underground sea)
How will the magic portal work? What if your not a mage and can\'t work it? I think we should have a NPC working the portals, and we would have to pay to use them, unless you have enough magic skill and you could use them yourself of course.
we wont have a sea per say but the the two bottom levels are flooded so you could say that that would be a sea, but you wouldnt really need a boat, cause of the before mentioned magic portals, and you could just walk through portals you dont need to oparet it, and quite a few races can breath underwater, such as Kran, Klyros et cetera
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Would be cool to have floating cities. That way you would need to hire a PC to let you use their barge or something. And you could be attacked while going across water to the city. How big is the lake supposed to be anyway? Can someone give me a rough estimate?
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Huge... this is a map created by Axsyrus, its not completely acurate but its a rough estimate.
(http://www.arcaneorder.com/images/world.jpg)
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Cool. Seems like the lake at the bottom will be more of a sea, if scale has any meaning at all in the picture :)
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Right, maybe we should have ships, but I would be happy riding a giant sea monster instead :D Or a flying monster...
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How about a dragon rental. Move 10x as fast as sprinting. Or in pvp areas a dragon fighting arena where you fly around in a dragon and breathe fire on your apponents. Even cooler if you can kill walking people that way. (:
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Dragons will not be in PS. They are faaaaar too unoriginal. And grief-causing is not something we want. Another flying creature might be interesting... But there are already Pterosaurs and Megaras, and if I remember correctly, air traffic in Yliakum is pretty heavy.
In the Stone Labryniths, it is another matter. I think.
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True, true definately unoriginal. How about a giant bat with a snakes head? That sounds original. It also would have a magic radar because of ecoloation and smell.
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I had an idea for a completely different way of doing transportation. Supposing the carts had feet and walked around. That they were produced by magic out of animal parts. So, if you had a breakdown, say one of the legs went lame, you would have to go kill a monster to harvest its leg so you can fix your cart. I\'m pretty sure this hasn\'t been done before and it would be completely original to planeshift if they incorporated it.
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That isn\'t a good idea of transportation if the cart is small but if you are talking about an animal drawn cart that is a good idea until you have to go across water or travel great distances.
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We will have giant bats, they are called megaras. Its amazing that so many people\'s \"original\" ideas have already been planned to be in PS years before...People should read the site...
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Well I hope you can fly those then.
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Just...go read the site please...yes you can fly on those, and the other flying animal, the Pterosaur
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
We will have giant bats, they are called megaras. Its amazing that so many people\'s \"original\" ideas have already been planned to be in PS years before...People should read the site...
bats eh? I\'d rather stick to my dragons or horses :D
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I would just be happy with 18ft boat to work as a fisherman on. not interested in destroying other ships, but more interested in making money from the waters.
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I had an idea for a completely different way of doing transportation. Supposing the carts had feet and walked around. That they were produced by magic out of animal parts. So, if you had a breakdown, say one of the legs went lame, you would have to go kill a monster to harvest its leg so you can fix your cart. I\'m pretty sure this hasn\'t been done before and it would be completely original to planeshift if they incorporated it.
It might be quite disgusting for a character to break off a leg of another formerly living creature. Similar to the \"I don\'t want to summon just *any* normal skeleton (http://planeshift.oodlz.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=8401&boardid=11&styleid=3) \" Thread. It depends on the morals of each character and player when it comes down to the \'harvesting body parts.\' And of course, the type of leg might influence many decisions, such as how effective the walking cart is and how disgusting the method of obtaining the new leg is.
How is the cart supported? Mana out of your stockpile? Or is it self-sufficient, so that it sustains itself and consequently may run when in danger?
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Perhaps you could just have a little row boat or something to begin with.
Or...
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7614/untitled26.JPG)
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lol wow i can just see a bunch of dwarves on one of those ships speeding around :]
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Ships are a terrific idea and could make travel, trading, and leisure(pirating the high seas in my case) come much easier than before. I also like the idea of riding sea creatures, they could become familiars/companions. As for carts that walk, I dont think Yliakum is quite ready for carts w/ feet.
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Carts with wheels sound good for traders and travel, and ships for sea travel sound great too.
Not sure on how it would be done but I think it would be great if a ship could be controlled (by rudder or wheel) not sure about sails but maybe a crew in certain places are needed to move a boat (npcs instead maybe?).
Anyway back to the cart, would be interesting to see what animals could be used to pull a cart as well.
Pity nobody likes dragons, surprising how one creature has been focused on yet elves and dwarves aren\'t seen as unoriginal... then again what is original.
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Id like to see creatures pulling carts. This also goes along with the capturing npcs idea, because you could make them carry or pull your cart along (depending on the creature).
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I *demand* ships, boats, rafts and sea creatures of all sorts!!!
If not for anything else, if I\'m not completely mistaken, there\'s going to be a few levels (of the stalactite we inhabit!) compltetely flooded - so there ARE going to be sea creatures anyway.
I\'d *love* to see water vessels of any kind that actually work - I don\'t mind having transport spells and portals - but I want to have the ability to do it the non-magical way too. It adds some charm to the role playing if the journey takes you some time (which sailing should :]) ...hack\'n\'slashers usually want to have it quick and dirty - pay 100 gold, jump into the portal, slay the monsters, loot, jump through the portal again :(
If not, you\'ll see me swimming all over the place! ...yea that\'s right! I\'ll SWIM to the other shore!! ...see how you cope with that! ...even the bloomin\' \"ocean\"!!!
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And gosh darnit if they dont deliver, Ill be swimming right next to you!!!!
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Originally posted by Kereshin
And gosh darnit if they dont deliver, Ill be swimming right next to you!!!!
Tha\'s right! *shakes his fist* And then what will ya do?? Huh? Hundrets and hundrets of players doing nothing but swimming in the sea out of protest!!
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I love this idea so much that I will probably make a model of some canues & different sort of bouats, something common that you do not see every day with a fantacy flaer...
But that will be after I\'m done with my other projects & we acually have some water we can sail on...
I\'ll probably be the one to make the underwater map but I am not sure... can\'t wait for that!
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I\'m not sure about this. Won\'t those water-dwelling elves be a bit pissed having ships roaring over their head. Or having sharp fishing hooks or fishing net in their habitat.
That and the pollution-punishable-by-death law according to the story line.
Unless, according to the map drawn, the ship will be in the body of water where the elves don\'t live.
Another good idea is to have skyships. Designed on pricniple similar to blimps or science fiction hovership (they have magic, why not magical hover ships?).
My assumption for the need of this is that the flying animals PS have would not be able to carry large amount of cargo or passenger. Skyships would be able to carry heavy cargos and passengers. However they would be more costly to maintain (fuel, repair, and stuff) and slow.
Since Dwarves are master engineers, they could manufacture these vessels. And flying animals could be reserverd for those who wants to have a fast and personal transport.
Here\'s the basic summary
Pterosaurs: Expensive to buy. Moderate cost to mainain. Can be summoned and dismissed anywhere. Low carrying capacity.
Skyships: Cheap to buy. Slightly more expensive to maintain. Moderate to High carrying capacity. Can only park in specified areas.
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You mean like in Treasure Planet? I thought the movie was great, and SkyShips are an excellent idea. I\'m thinking maybe the Seventh layer could be for ships and 8th for elves/klyros/kran? Just a thought.
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I wasn\'t thinking about Treasure Planet, but I think that might be a goodd model. Minus the sails and rocket engine.
My reasoning is that since the whole city is underground, there couldn\'t be much of a wind, or not strong enough to power a ship. And rocket engine is a bit unrealistic since the settings are suppose to be medieval.
A propeller might work, like a blimp. The design could mimic a ship with a propeller. This makes for a slow ship with massive cargo hold, bascially makes the ship good for cargo and passenger transport (more than the giant bat).
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I\'m still for the ships (of some kind or another). The argument with the Nolthrir doesn\'t convience me much. The Nolthrir have to have some sort of transport too, don\'t they? Or are they supposed to swim through all the layers by themselves. Surely they\'ve invented at least one way of faster transportation - be that riding water animals, riding huge leaves that are moving because of the current or even making floating devices of some sort or another - be it propelled by wind, magic, (\"human\" or animal) labour or whatever.
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Ship with propeller. Can sail in water, but can also fly.
Multipurpose.... sweet...
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So you all talk about vehicles, but ships is all that come to mind, lets see, wheelbarrows, some kind of wooden/iron type of bicycle used in towns, steam engines/industry drilling machines, communitive transportaion e.g. trains/ships :), mechanic wall crawlers between the shifts works as elevators...
OOT: slightly, how does the military work and how do they transport armies fast? every soldier has a pterasaurous or whats it called?
I really like this game i gladly offer many ideas that could enchant or highten the different things they told are about to implent even better.(dont ask what they are about to implent, You should know this yourself)
Ohh well, what else kinds of vehivles that could fit in planeshift? cave planes? air vehicles? i bet air ballons!
and btw, what kind of energy do they intend the crystals could mass? crystal belt(antigravity for mages) =P *now im just getting silly, i know*
let me know what you all other thinks about these wishthinking?
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There could be both flying and sea monster, but flying would be more expensive than sea since it can fly over the sea. OMG I want a monster to ride on.... *sees himself on dragon casting monster summons near citys below him :)*
I like the idea more than those thing. But ships would be fine I guess.
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I think boats would be cool idea, but they might be hard to implement, and if they wre the lame morrowind type, that would be useless, where you see a boat, talk to a sailor, and tada, instantly at another dock. so if you sail them yourself, or someone else sails it for you ( read: ferry), it should be \"real\" game time.
Edit: I think that monsters are cool to, maybe have the ancient sea worms seen in old maps, to ride, that would be sweet.
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All I really want to see out of transportation is that theres a LOT of ways to move around (around ten or so)
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I never had one in real life, how have having one in a virtual life.
I\'d like to own my own stable. :)
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having ships would be cool, but too many people would want them...then no1 could sail because the whole ocean is taken up with boats. and dont they have to build the ocean first?
portals are a great idea in my mind....though...you cant fish off them or sleep on them
But if you did have boats...through in a couple serpents to sink them :)
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didnt mean \"through\" meant \"throw\"
im a little sleepy
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WHAT ABOUT HORSES? Seriously, every RPG needs horses! I mean hey Knights ride on horses! and When Knights fight with lances at shows they use horses to fight! WE WILL NEED HORSES
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It is true that the current scene for PS includes lakes only. However I do not remember seeing where it said that the current world is the ONLY world. A complete new water based world could be assembled in another stalagtite and reached via passage or portal by those with a seafaring nature...
Land and/or air transport by nature is very limited in the amount of cargo and the size of items they can transport. Sea transport on the other hand is limited only by the size of the ship, the docking facilities and the characteristics of the port. Also other means of transport are relatively expensive when compared to bulk transport of goods by ship. Thus the only realistic way to trade in bulk goods (especially those coming from other civilizations (a possibility mentioned in the scene discription) is by ship...
Ships (Gallions, Corsairs, scooners and the like) would have to be built and fitted (new jobs) and naval warfare is bound to occur (along with piracy etc)...
There are difficulties to this scheme, but they are not insurmountable and in the end would add greatly to the PS experience. Besides, as previously mentioned, ships would be cool....:)
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And yes, we are going to need horses, oxen, cattle etc. How else would we be able to pull those carts (they call them ox-carts for a reason) and jousts would be a cool thing as a participant and a spectator....as for cattle, you gotta have them for beef and milk...:)
(shutting up now so others can have their say)
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I think it would be quite good idea, but wouldnt the seas be full of ships then.. But there could be some nice islands in that sea, if it is going to be made
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Here is an idea. Guild ships! instead of halls or castles a ship so the whole guild can sail about together.
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and you could have a pirate guild.
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How will the magic portal work? What if your not a mage and can\'t work it? I think we should have a NPC working the portals, and we would have to pay to use them, unless you have enough magic skill and you could use them yourself of course.
[now that CB is released... from what I read CB wasn\'t at the time this was said
the Death Realm exit is a Portal just to get back to the plaza, no one needs magic...
The portals that already exist shouldn\'t require any magic to go through... but players could cast portals and those yes, should require skills to do them and... like a teleport to the friends, \'coz I hope there0ll be a spell to teleport...
Also, we still have the surface, the giant cave where Yliakum is, and other stuff oif the devs bother to do these... There can be oceans there... where we may have ships and other sea stuff...
There could be some steam puck stuff too... like flying ships (either by magic or by some baloons instead of sails). Steam punk stuff that adapt to this world (usually steam punk adapts to mediaval fantasy games)
EDIT: oops didn\'t notice there was a 2nd page... *reads it
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It\'s funny for me hear now talk about ships and portals in PS when i remenber in my guild (Port~Calem) threath talking about it, some guys seemd very confused how a guild could bring ships to ps :P whatever .. (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=13574&boardid=18&styleid=3&sid=4b2bc671cfdea8d47df775e8ab91bf0c)
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Ok, read the 2nd page and here are more things to say:
As Sensotaka said, Yliakum is known world, not the whole world... as I said before there is the surface, the giant cave Yliakum is and as someone suggested another stalagtite near Yliakum all with water (Nolthrir paradise!!!)
Remember the PS history? You know another God helped Laanx and Talad to build Yliakum (as someone said) the portals they used to bring people may still be open... if an adventurer discovers them (Headlines: New World Found!!!), the place where Nolthrirs came and where the other species came have water for sure...
well... don\'t remember anything more... [also I\'m sleepy, it\'s dificult to think]
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Wow...this is an old thread. I remember reading it months ago. But, I thought I could add my own warped thread to the mix. My thread, also old. (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=11153&boardid=11&styleid=3&sid=d48c1c43da9e1bdf493b8ce83745bd76)
And for how I applied it: RP/Storywriting Forum, \'Chain of Souls\', second page, 12th chapter, \'Out of the Mist\', halfway through.
I got tired of people saying \'absolutely NO ships in PS\' on one side, and the \'ships are so cool, I wana be a pirate\' on the other, so I made up my own, very do-able scenario. Then I added it to my story to prove a point. Turned out very nice, if I do say so myself. :]
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There are uses for ships that air travel will not be able to reasonably replace, mainly that they can transport large numbers of troops and their supplies quickly and efficiently, or carry large amounts of cargo from port to port gaining wealth from trade. The weight constraints that will be in place for boarding Pterosaurs and Megaras will mean they are both impractical and too expensive for moving around armies or goods.
You also cant attach rams, catapaults, cannons and the like to anything that flies, but a ship can handle these with ease.. bombarding defenseless coastal villages with balls of flaming pitch and a deadly hail of arrows before storming ashore and engaging in the time-honoured tradition of ransacking, burning and pillaging would be great..
I dont know if the \'seas\' will be deep enough to harbour kraken, great sea serpents, giant sharks and other beasties, but with a few nifty summoning glyphs you could probably conjure up a few nasty things with lots of teeth and a bad disposition.
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mmm... you made a point there...
But I\'m already seeing ppl reply \"Ah, there are the magic portals and all that\" or \"It\'s a magical world, we can levitate all that and put it in the place we want\" or other stuff...
The devs want the game to be a little realistic, so, by Tharizdun way of thinking, they may be implemented...