PlaneShift
Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: LastAndroid on March 13, 2004, 01:56:22 am
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I was looking at the map of the PlaneShift world (in this thread (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=7584&boardid=13&styleid=3&sid=83c4291124abbf2490767edf7cc3436b)) and noticed that the Stalactite (Yliakum) had different levels.
That gave me an idea, why don\'t the different levels have different environments. Like one level is like the current level, ones a tropical jungle, one has snow or is arctic, ones a desert, etc.
This would add alot of variety to the game and would allow more RPing potential.
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I think the devs are planning something like this, though maybe not an arctic place, since were underground.
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Read this: http://www.planeshift.it/setting_overview.html
Yliakum is located thousands of meters under the surface inside a huge excavated stalactite, hanging inside a cave so huge that it could contain any kingdom of the surface. For this reason it is structured in grades - like Dante\'s Inferno - and each grade is smaller than the former. There are eight grades, or levels. The two highest levels are above the point where the stalactite connects to the roof of the cave.
The Crystal that brings light to Yliakum is an enormous raw stone of purest transparency and analogous to the sapphire that hangs from the roof of the stalactite\'s internal cave.
Named the Azure Sun by those races that still remember the surface, it emits a radiation that is more towards infrared if compared to the light of the sun, but is suitable for photosynthesis and survival of many animals, vegetables, and mineral species. This radiation decays with squared progression with the distance. At the seventh level the radiation is just enough to penetrate the mass of the lake in order to light it, while on the first level it is so strong that it allows wonderful crops and the breeding of great cattle, which provide milk and meat.
No completely different environments like subtropic/arctic, there\'s a difference though.
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ah but if there are no clouds it cannot snow or rain, and if it does never go below zero, wich i think it doesnt looking at the clothing of diaboli et cetera and if it did go below zero anytime i dont think there would be races living under the sea as that would prove to be impossible if there would be any kind of \'winter\' but, it is somehow connected to the surface through the crystal, but if indeed there is such thing as a winter in the world wich the giant stalactite is in wich i think it would have to be that is if it revolves around a sun.
but then it would be a little dark when it is snowing on the surface cause of the snow blocking the crystal, unless of course the crystal is hot and the snow would melt... but then it wouldnt be possible for the stalactite to get to such coldness as the crystal wouldnt get so cold as to -1? wich is required for freezing.
there, ive made my point...
unless of course there is too much magick in the air for those pesky laws of nature...
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1. Since when are there no clouds in Yliakum?
2. The crystal is a giant column, so it would be rather hard for snow or anything else to stop the sun from shining through it.
3. Yliakum is underground, therefore the temperature cannot drop under 0.. the warmth that\'s created by the crystal can\'t escape.
and 4. what the hell are you trying to say ?(
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AHA the temperature cant drop below zero therefore there can be no snow because as everybody knows that snow is just frozen rain, and rain does not freeze unless it drops below zero.
QED
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Who says it can\'t snow or rain?
It rains when it rains on the surface of the planet. How? Water filters down and eventually drops down from the top of the cave.
As well, heat rises up and cold air drops down. Some of the lower levels may have ice because the AIR is -0*C. (water freezes in mid-air) And as well, who says that the ground isn\'t below 0*C? Water hitting a frozen surface will freeze, too.
Rain in the hot and temperate air temperature levels will probably not freeze - but it might freeze on the levels where the cooler air is denser. and rain may also freeze when it hits the ground, forming ice.
As well, magic may always play a part in it. Tropical/Jungle/Coniferous forrests arn\'t entirely impossible, either. The way i see the levels ecosystems going is:
From highest level to below waterlevel:
Wastelands (No life whatsoever. Not even a single rodent)
Deserts
Savana
Jungle / Tropical }Main habitat for many species
Coniferous Forrests }Main habitat for many species
Forrests / Grasslands }Main habitat for many species
Cold Grasslands
Snowy
Glacial
Water level (Warm)
Water level (Moderate)
Water level (Cold)
Water level (Ice - Cant really go any deeper though some water can continue through small cracks)
And remember that there WOULD be other lakes/bodies of water on each level, though for the upper three that is very unlikely. As well, enviroments are not \"This level is grassland, and only grassland!\" - there is some play inbetween levels.
And, my reasoning for this setup is that the upper levels receive the greatest average amount of types of radiation comming from the crystal - thus a barren wasteland since nearly nothing can handle that much radiation. The lower levels receive the least average amount of radiation from the crystal and thus have less heat transfer and because of that are very, VERY, cold.
[Besides - How fun do you think Planeshift would be if it were all forrests and grasslands? ;) ]
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arent you forgetting that there are only 7 levels not 13
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enviroments can overlap, you know. :P
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im not english so could you please explain what you mean by overlapping?
do you mean like there are two enviroments in one level?
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THERE WILL BE NO SNOW IN PS.
ok? :)
PS. these are the words from the devs..
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Originally posted by The Gumster
im not english so could you please explain what you mean by overlapping?
do you mean like there are two enviroments in one level?
Correct.
And it really bums me out if the devs actually said that there\'ll be no snow... ;(
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Originally posted by Axsyrus
THERE WILL BE NO SNOW IN PS.
ok? :)
PS. these are the words from the devs..
Does that mean ever or not at this time.
Wouldn\'t it be possible to have a portal that goes to another world that is cold (in the far future)?
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No snow sucks :( Snow is fun! maybe in the distant future. I really hope they implement snow eventually.
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Originally posted by LastAndroid
Originally posted by Axsyrus
THERE WILL BE NO SNOW IN PS.
ok? :)
PS. these are the words from the devs..
Does that mean ever or not at this time.
Wouldn\'t it be possible to have a portal that goes to another world that is cold (in the far future)?
HE said PS as in planeshift. the game. not the version cb, or whatever comes after it. never. got it?
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It couldnt snow underground anyway, It would never get cold enough. It gets warmer the deeper you go, the theory that it would be colder the deeper you go doesnt make sense at all.
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IceFalcon the world doesn\'t really make sense at all. It doesn\'t matter if it makes sense as long as you don\'t really notice. Maybe some underground area could be farther from heat (closer to surface) and really cold so that water that drips in through the ceiling could freeze into snow on its way down. You can easily make a setting for snow in a Fantasy game, Especially since it is fantasy!
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Phaw of course your right, its a fantasy game so anything is possible, it could rain fireballs too, but that wouldnt be very realistic...
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What about a deadly hail of small stones from the ceiling, high above? Might even make for a devastating spell, causing several small rocks to fall from an incredible height.
I think a lot of cool things can be done with a \"cave\" environment - there may be trees and grass around in the first couple levels, but it would get darker as you went down. Perhaps you\'d have larger, more sparse vegetation- giant tangles of roots, with some trunks reaching up towards the light of the crystal. Glowing fungus that lives off magical energy, or bits of crystal, might also provide some auxiliary light.
Given that Yliakum (or Hydlaa, can\'t keep \'em straight nowadays) is a giant stalactite, it\'s unlikely that there\'d be much seismic activity, but in the Labarinths there could be fiery crevices and caves choked with ash.
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Icefalcon, it may be unrealistic in terms of our world for it to rain fireballs. In their world, however, it may be thought of in the same way about it raining water....you have to take this into consideration...
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but here it rains \'cause of the water all drying up and being light and becoming clouds and getting thicker and eventually dropping down, how would that work for fire?
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Realistic... when we say this game is going to be very realistic, we are saying that many things will be the same as on our world. We are saying that this game is believable because it is so alike to our world. Raining fireballs is purely fantasy, it may be realistic to fantasy characters, but we are not fantasy characters... therefore it is not realistic...
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hehe i might just be defeating closure when i say that the only reason it gets hotter the deeper you go in our own world is because the center of our world has a liquid hot core. in ylakium many have described it to be completly hollow although i do like one vision (cant remember the author) that has the stalagtite and cave surrounding it only about 1/20 of the inside of the planet. Was less dramatic as I and others had made it. In the case of his, yes i would get hotter as you went down because there was so much solid space that it would probally form a liquid hot core, but in the case of axsyrus\', mine and other\'s intepretations, the world\'s center was completely empty, so it would get colder the further you went down because light would decrease, water and moisture would increase and there wouldnt be any hot core, or magma to heat the place up. Kind of unrealistic so i really like the other person\'s interpretation of a world where the cave is big, but not the whole planet.
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if the world is hollow then there would be no hot liquid magma core to heat things up the farther down they go, so it would be colder the farther down you go because cold air seeks down.
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but then the water thingy dropping down from the stalactite, would freeze in the middle.
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different levels shouldnt each have their own environment..... maybe different areas of the levels their will be more environments but one for each level? there isnt any reason for it.... it cant rain fire balls....yeah fireballs could fall from the sky if a player used magic but there is no way it will rain fire in a cave...
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but if the magic in the enviroment would be so much that it would have to discharge thus raining fire!
*manical laughter*
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no
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ShadowFish, stop spamming so much, you make absoulutely pointless posts and are doing it all over the place!
i mean look at this forum it says ShadowFish all over the place!
you are going to get a warning mark my words.
and \"no\" isnt an answer to the answer i answered to your answer.
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no is a perfectly legitamate answer to your answer to my reply
sure it isnt explained but magic in an area is not going to build up and make fireballs just because... any way who says it will be fireballs? what if they dont even use red magic...
plus im not sure how relevant your post is to the subject either....
oh and ice cant form at the bottom of a lake.... ice is less dence than water and floats....plus the water under a lake is always 4 degrees and never changes....thats why fish are still alive
So ice in the cave would have to be created by magic
plus i dont know much about the core but the crystal provides heat and if there is one in the stalactite there could be others in the cave other wise the cave would only cover less than the entire world......but like other people said this is a fantasy game and even though we want most of the game to be realistic as possible id still like to live in the big cave...
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i didnt say anything about a lake, i mean that the rain wich falls from the stalactite, and your argument on the fireballs is hollow.
it doesnt necessiraly (typo i know) mean that it should rain fireballs. just it might.
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nevermind the lake thing....had to do with another post....but it cant randomly rain fireballs.... maybe if there was a spell sure but randomly from magic build up? magic isnt only fire so why fireballs... it makes no sense
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perhaps in one enviroment the magic is red way that builds up, and in another it is blue way et cetera.
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why would the environments be magic? maybe if there was some sort of magma even in the cave or a volcano but i dont remember the mention of any