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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: tallimar on March 28, 2004, 09:09:15 am
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slashdot article (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/27/1927252)
I seriously think that the RIAA and the US government are getting way out of control on this thing. IMO, i think they went the wrong direction right from the start(Ex: RIAA vs Napster). Besides, why should the ordinary american have to pay for a minor slump in the RIAA\'s profits by sueing everyone and their dead grandmother? What does everyone else think?
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At first when I read the title I thought \"Oh great, another stupid Iraq thread...\"
Do I think the government is getting carried away?
Do you think that file-sharing is a minor piece of profits?
Really. :rolleyes:
Of course they are going too far.
But look at them, they\'re scared they\'re going to lose, to fail, to go out of business, etc.
...and file-sharing can\'t be just a minor slump. Assume that new single you just dl\'ed is from a $5 CD. Now you add that to your shared files, and it dl\'s quicker for everyone else. But how many people dl it? Let\'s assume it\'s semi-popular and 5000 people dl it over your p2p network in one day. That\'s $15000 (assuming the CD costs $2 to produce and ship, which is cheap) in one day. Now multiply that by 50 songs of the same popularity and you have $750,000. $765,000 isn\'t exactly a small amount.
Not that I\'m against file-sharing networks, but what I\'m saying is that they have a right to be scared, even if they are overreacting.
Originally posted by seperot
monketh the uber learned strikes again :P
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monketh the uber learned strikes again :P
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I totally agree with you Monketh, my thoughts exactly.
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The government is getting \"carried away\" almost every time they make a law.
And in every article there is the ridiculous quote:
In defending the Pirate Act, Hatch said the operators of P2P networks are running a conspiracy in which they lure children and young people with free music, movies and pornography. With these \"human shields,\" the P2P companies are trying to ransom the entertainment industries into accepting their networks as a distribution channel and source of revenue.
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Monketh you must keep in mind how many people would buy the single if it wasn\'t up on a File Sharing Network to be honest alot of those people really coudn\'t be bothered with it.
So i\'m pretty sure that figure of yours could be halved.
Not that I agree with file sharing but the people that use them don\'t genrally bother with actually buying the product they want if its not on the net for free.
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I think if the US wants to control who rips music in their own country whatever I can give less of a crap! Though if they think they can start sueing in other countries, they can go #@$% themselves!
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ive got a warrning letter sometime back bout dling music files ... so yeah no p2p stuff no this comp
anyway its not really good for my wallet to buy cds and sadly there is no reliable* Legal service in singapore ...
( thier mostly filled with thoese dammed chinese pop songs ! gawd dammit who wants to listen to thoese !)
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personally I like to get free stuff off the web, and I dont like the record industry trying to stop me. If I really like something I will pay for it.
I would like to point out the flaw in the association of RIAA with the US government. The US government is not the ones sueing. Going after P2P networks is not being done BY the US government. Many companies are INTERNATIONAL. They can come after you where ever you are in the world because they sell everywere in the world. The US government makes enough trouble all on its own, it does not need to be blamed for stuff it has no control of.
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Exactly what reason is there for you to steal music in the first place? We certainly got along before the massive music sharing started. \"I\'m to poor to afford CDs\" isn\'t an excuse. There is a thing we used to listen to back in the day called radio. Switch the little switch on your radio to \"FM\" there is a bunch of stations which play a variety of legal and guess what? FREE! music.
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Originally posted by derwoodly
I would like to point out the flaw in the association of RIAA with the US government. The US government is not the ones sueing. Going after P2P networks is not being done BY the US government. Many companies are INTERNATIONAL. They can come after you where ever you are in the world because they sell everywere in the world. The US government makes enough trouble all on its own, it does not need to be blamed for stuff it has no control of.
US government is aiding them in the terminating of us who want to rip stuff! These companies that are International can\'t do crap against most of these other countries because the countries laws don\'t prohibit things like that!
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It doesn\'t matter, countries aren\'t going to let the US recording industry attack its citizens. Even if they were in the wrong. People can get away with murder by commiting it in another country other then their own.
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Originally posted by Ghost of Link
It doesn\'t matter, countries aren\'t going to let the US recording industry attack its citizens. Even if they were in the wrong. People can get away with murder by commiting it in another country other then their own.
I wouldn\'t say that. The country i\'m from, holland, is quite easy with letting its citizens being brought to court by the united states. Even someone who had never set foot on USA soil was based on a doubtfull accusation of drug arrested and put on a plane to the US. Makes me real proud to be dutch :(.
You are right with murderers though, if there is the possibility of death sentence we don\'t hand them over.
Ontopic, the record/software industry is fighting a battle they cannot win. They should realise copying wheter moral or not is unstoppable and change their strategy accordingly.
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Ya, I don\'t think they\'ll ever truely be able to control the world\'s worth of filesharing traffic. Besides, nothing much has changed. One person buys a CD or cassette tape and then lets his friends borrow it when they want. They arn\'t paying to listen to the music and nobody sees anything wrong with this.
The only difference between borrowing a cassette and using filesharing apps is the scale in which it happens. But, then, that still means that the majority of people are going out and buying, rather than \'borrowing\', the music, and it really isn\'t as big a deal as they all make it out to be.
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I just wonder why they don\'t understand it isn\'t worth the effort. Everytime there is a new supposedly \'unbreakable\' protection which almost immediately is broken. Is there noone in those corporations to tell them it is pointless? The money is better spent elsewhere. Same holds for the legal procedures which create a bad name for the company too.
It would be nice if they tried publishing music for free on the internet. So you can try it out and buy music you like later. Of course many would just keep the music without ever paying, but enough people will go to the store. An initiative like this creates goodwill of customers.
If a price is asked for albums it should at least be far below the shop price. Which is easy since no fabrication and distribution costs are made.
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Note that the artists (with some exceptions) really aren\'t the ones against this file sharing. It is the RIAA, which is the recording studio business. They are the ones who make money from the CD sales.
Artists make most of their money either from radio play royalties or from concert appearances. Contrary to CD sales, artists fund their own concert tours, pay for their own stage, roadies, light show, etc. and thus make all the money from the ticket sales on the tour.
Older artists get zero radio play, don\'t sell that many albums (where are they on the charts) but make huge $. This url (http://launch.yahoo.com/read/news.asp?contentID=216155) shows that Bruce Springsteen made $115.9 million last year on tour. Celine Dion made $80.5 million.
Dave Matthews made > $50 million last summer in his concert tour. Shania Twain and Toby Keith each made > $45 million.
The numbers are really staggering. With albums bringing in <$1 per sale, and big albums only selling a million copies or so (most much less), license revenue for the artists is really negligible. Albums and radio are both really just ways to get people to come to your concerts.
Thus, P2P file sharing makes more free advertising for the musicians and can only increase how many people go to a particular concert--benefitting the artists but hurting the recording companies.
- Venge
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I completely agree with Vengeance:
Here\'s the link to a (old) article from an american artist: http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html about this.
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Also, the money the RIAA claims to lose is not right. If you have 3 illegal cds, that doesn\'t mean you would have bought them legally if you weren\'t able to download them. I have quite some mp3\'s, but if i had to buy them all legally I probably wouldn\'t have 10% of em. So the actual money they are losing is much smaller then they claim.
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Originally posted by Vengeance
Note that the artists (with some exceptions) really aren\'t the ones against this file sharing. It is the RIAA, which is the recording studio business. They are the ones who make money from the CD sales.
Totally true, there are some (indie) labels that are putting their bands entire cds up for free download to support their bands...and band members constantly are sending music downloads to their friends to put their own music up for download...I know for a fact I would know maybe only 2 of the bands I currently listen to if I had not been able to download music...much less find their cds anywhere if I DID know them.
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Of course they are going to far.
I would post my thoughts on this subject, but I do not have 45 minutes on my hands right now, so I\'ll just sum it up in one easy-to-understand phrase:
hi2u polizie-state!
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great article elscouta. after reading that, i cant really think of anything to add as it says all that i think of this... I was going to say something else, but im too tired to remember what that was. ?(
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Originally posted by Caldazar
Of course they are going to far.
I would post my thoughts on this subject, but I do not have 45 minutes on my hands right now, so I\'ll just sum it up in one easy-to-understand phrase:
hi2u polizie-state!
I would have prefered the \"45 minute\" post