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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rakel on April 09, 2004, 04:56:17 pm
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Something needs to be done about people who run up beside you and steal your gem. I have on many occasion been in the process of picking up a gem, just to have someone run up and steal it. I sometimes suffer from lag online, and am not as quick to get a pick up response when trying to click on the gem or the pick up icon. Since there seems to be no honor in this game, there needs to be GM intervention, or a syntax which allows that once a gem is clicked on, none other can click on it too. Or, if this is impossible, then a reporting method of these individuals with a consequence. It is not fair to those of us with either technical problems, or skill mechanics still in developement to suffer at the hands of these thieves that have no honor. I purpose we start a black ball list of these individuals if nothing else, so that maybe if, with the cooperation of all other players, they find life in PS not so friendly.
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And just how, if I may be as bold as to ask, will you prove that he actually \"stole\" the crystal from you once you\'ve reported it?
Furthermore, he didn\'t actually steal it, he was just faster than you. It is arguable that it isn\'t a nice thing to do, but that\'s human nature for you, quit whining..
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Case and point is this response....I was standing on top of the crystal when he arrived....he was faster, yes, I have lag....so all is well, I\'ll stop whining, but remember, turn around is fair play, and if is the case of honor code (that there is none) so be it. This has now become a whole new arena.......
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First of all, Psybur got to the ruby first. It\'s amazingly childish of you to come to the forums and whine about crystal thieves when we\'ve had peope who do so much more. Yeah, I\'ve actually had people running behind me take a crystal I\'ve stopped to pick up. You know what? Tough luck! I wasn\'t fast enough, but oh well - there are many more. So just keep running.
I know Psybur. We\'re in the same guild. He\'s not one to steal crystals in front of others.
Sometimes the game lags and you find that someone else takes the crystal you were hoping to get. Again - tough luck. There have been instances where I\'ve picked up a crystal and someone sends me a /tell saying it\'s theirs. I haven\'t seen them anywhere near the crystal, because they had lag, and I\'m not about to give away what I find every time someone whines. I give away plenty as it is, and tons of people here in PS do too.
You\'re a new player, and it may be hard to adjust. But this is the way things are.
Welcome to Planeshift.
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Funny, but I didnt see you anywhere near when this happened Karyuu, so, I guess you are relying on the word of a guild mate...isnt this convenient...get a guild, and get back up to a lie....and just for the record, I\'m not a new player, just a new name....and sick of it happening all the time, but as you said, tough luck...so be it....I\'ve stopped whining...*grins evilly*....
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Yeah, being \"pick-pocketed\" can be annoying but its all part of the game. If its a ruby, its just not worth getting upset over. If its an emmy or dia, just greet it first. At least then for stating your case, you have your chat log as proof (or is that something that was added with Aineko\'s mods?, I forget - in which case you might want to get those if you don\'t already have them).
If your literally standing over it and get picked, yeah, I would think that\'s bad form. But sometimes its hard to tell whether a player is lagging or just afk.
When I am in the dungeon and spot a crystal, I still have \"Zetsumei fear\". :P
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Bah if we were allowed to come on here everytime someone came and grabbed a crystal before we got it then this forum would be filled with complaints, heck I could make atleast 5 from one day! Its just crystals not that big of a thing!
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I\'m confused. Are the crystals going to be transferred to CB or not? Because I was under the impression that any items/crystals we had now would just be reset.... :?
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Originally posted by Rakel
or a syntax which allows that once a gem is clicked on, none other can click on it too.
I have thought about this as well, but there\'s one big problem with this: a player could click all the crystals without picking them up and nobody could pick up any crystals anymore since new ones wouldn\'t spawn.
Originally posted by Keung Darosyl
I\'m confused. Are the crystals going to be transferred to CB or not? Because I was under the impression that any items/crystals we had now would just be reset.... :?
Weapons will not be transfered (they can be sold) and crystals will be converted to tria (money).
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Crystal spawns will be a thing of the past in the next release anyway, so there\'s no point in trying to do something about it. Just move on. There\'s plenty more crystals in Hydlaa for you to find at the moment. :)
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Originally posted by Mogura
There\'s plenty more crystals in Hydlaa for you to find at the moment. :)
Didn\'t crystal hunt lately, eh Mogs?
Plenty isn\'t good word for it at all ;)
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Well, plenty or not, the point is, it won\'t matter soon. :) Although if you want, you could probably ask Aineko to code something to prevent \'CS\'ing (crystal stealing) from happening.
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Theres a couple of different reasons someone ends up taking a crystal you were about to pick up. Could have been lag, theres also a bug that occasionaly renders another player invisible(yes, it has happened to me) or the other player might just not care that your trying to pick it up. I think everyone has had a crystal picked up when they were about to grab it. You just have to keep on running and decide if your going to be one of the crystal stealers yourself, or if your going to try and avoid picking up others crystals. Its a bit annoying at times but there isnt really anything that can be done about it. Psyburs a bit crazy, but not one to steal crystals as someones trying to pick them up. if you were both running, and he was in front of you, well then its his. Anyways, \"soon\" crystal hunting will be just a memory....soon.
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Recently, I had experienced a similar gem incident. I was mildly angry about it, not because someone took a ruby which I was picking up, but because I think that?s slightly disrespectful. That?s the reason why I do not approach a player who is picking up a crystal, or if a player is running in front of me headed for a crystal, I back off. I think this is sort of default respect which should be lent to everyone. A problem similar to this one will persist through out PS, probably for a long time (e.g. slain monster drops items and player scramble to pick them up). That?s precisely the reason why I?d love to see PvP in CB, so that players can duel out their disputes. I know its not a civilized way to handle disagreements, but it would work.
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Uh...its just a pointless, repetative task which has really nothing to do with what the game will be, its just a stroke of bad luck thats all.
I\'m SURE.....the devs won\'t allow such things when you\'re actually fighting those scary monsters in the video...that would just suck.
In the mean time, just as around for Harwen, I\'ll give you a few crystals, if you\'re really into getting bugged about it though I can\'t remember exactly how much I have, or the last time I\'ve seen one, but hey one less pointless post.
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Get a grip. If people are prepared to modify code to get the advantage over you, then they\'ll think nothing of swiping a crystal from under your nose. You\'d better get used it, because there are far worse tactics going on out there than just picking up a crystal that you have \'claimed\'. Very sad, but very true.
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thieves!!!! nasty! tricksy!! cheated uss!! steal our gemsess!!! gollum gollum
(sorry couldn\'t resist...) :D
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Originally posted by Marlow
A problem similar to this one will persist through out PS, probably for a long time (e.g. slain monster drops items and player scramble to pick them up).
what \'bout they have it so once the monster dropped the item only the player what killed it (or did the most harm to it) can see (and pick up) the loot for oh lets say, one minute?
no worries eh? :)
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WOOHOO I have never had this happen to me cause...I RULE and the only times I pick up a crystal that somebody is standing over I just give it to them cause...I RULE
But, yeah with players like Zetsumei and...and...and...well yeah Zetsumei you will have to get used to completely dishonorable things happening to you. Luckyly I am here to counter act Zetsumei with my obvious honorability and beauty
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One issue is lag. The person with the faster machine and faster connection will always have the advantage here. The power gamer with their \"I just got it\" technology will always beat out the \"it is old but it works\" crowd. If you implement a lock out feature on the object selection you will still loose, because when you go to click on the object the faster machine will still get there first.
The other issue is community. If you would like PS to be just like all the other MMORPG\'s out there, then the I got there first attitude is just fine. If PS is to be truely different then some sort of edicate should be created and enforced by the community.
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Hmm, I can already see the topic careening off the cliff and making that nice whistling sound before its crashed into the ground below throwing up a cute little puff of dust. :D
Simple, monsters die, fall down, and you loot their corpse, until you finish looting/and or after a time limit the monster\'s corpse dissapears. When you kill the monster you own the corpse, so you won\'t have to worry about that. Which can also make a nice opportunity for a skill that lets you get more pelts/meat/money/items from the monster. And, is more realistic.
This of course doesn\'t stop kill-stealing, butI\'m sure the devs are highly aware of this flaw in nearly every other mmorpg ever made.
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Rakel, I\'m glad you made a complaint about the crystals robbed from you. It happens a lot more than is reported. People who rob crystals should be punished but we don\'t have a working weapons system yet so all you can do right now is complain here and in game. I strongly recommend complaining in game the moment it happens. If there is any doubt in your mind whether the person was thieving, ask him by using /tell . If his response is sincere then you know it was a probably glitch or another kind of honest error. If his response is full of crap, announce his name with /shout and demand your crystal back. This might get him to return the crystal, might not, but it does put the fool on notice and it alerts other players that he\'s around.
It is not human nature to steal. Human nature is largely a learned thing so if someone steals something from you it\'s because he thinks it is morally acceptable. I don\'t and will complain about it even if it\'s just one ruby. Every crystal will be credited to our accounts and exchanged for tria come CB, right? So why should I stop whinning and \"take it like a man\" when someone steals my money?
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Someone being faster than you is not thievery. It\'s someone being faster than you. Ripping decorations is thievery. But I haven\'t been to any parties lately, and I\'m sure the new GMs are not easy on party poopers.
Anyway, all that\'s said has been said, let\'s move on with on lives.
EDIT: the guy above me made valid points against my case... ;(
It\'s a crystal. It will be exchanged for some ridiculously small sum of money. it\'s not in human nature to steal, but if someone sees a crystal and takes it, they aren\'t paying attention to people nearby. The person losing the crystal is the only one that might think \"hey, that was mine?\" But it wasn\'t yours. It was on the ground. Some nice people will respect your proximity, but it isn\'t a neccessity, and it isn\'t a moral guideline thingy.
And when I was an annoying little n00blett I whined about my crystal and nice big boy Draklar gave me one. :] So, become an annoying n00blett and whine to Draklar. Problem solved.
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It\'s mildly amusing to see how many people have mentioned me specifically on this particular issue.
Firstly, it\'s impossible to steal something that has never been in your possession to begin with. It\'s not illegal. Admittedly, it\'s not the nicest thing to do, but it\'s not illegal. It can be likened to shopping out of other people\'s shopping carts.
As for me being dishonorable scum...well, it\'s all a matter of opinion. I do have morals, ethics, a code of honor, but I\'ve always been and oddball and a rebel, so they\'re...more warped than the norm, but they do exist. I do have honor, but I may not seem honorable to most.
As for the thieving issue, I don\'t pick up greeted crystals (unless it\'s a diamond), and I occasionally greet a crystal someone\'s standing over, and then wait 3-5 seconds for them to pick it up; if they can\'t, it\'s mine. And besides, I haven\'t been hunting in over a week for...personal reasons...*cough*
And as typical with most people who have a reputation that precedes them, most people make assumptions about you without bothering to actually confirm them by conversing with you. Double checking your convictions against others never hurts...I think.
Oh, and Mordaan, you should be afraid...very afraid ^^
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Lol I remember the first time it happened to me. I couldn\'t stop laughing for about a minute. I was walking along in one of the dungeon\'s corridors when I see a ruby on the ground. I walk over to it to pick it up, all cool and slick, when suddenly some Ynnwn comes up behind me and grabs the ruby. So I said, \"Ahem.\" and he said, \"SALUT!!\" and ran off.
Well, it was incredibly funny at the time, imagining some french guy going \"SALUT!\" all happy to be making a new friend.
Anywho, I don\'t think it\'s that much of a problem. You can still make money in CB after all, so no worries, right? :)
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I really don\'t get why this is a problem, someone comes up and \"steals\" a cyrstal in front of you. How is that stealing? You haven\'t picked it up yet, so its not yours. I don\'t get it...and it really doesn\'t matter anyway. Even if it were a diamond, 100 tria won\'t be worth that much in CB...
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I think I agree with the people who don\'t think it is stealing. No one owns it. Pick it up quickly. :-)
- Vengeance
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Originally posted by Vengeance No one owns it. Pick it up quickly. :-)
- Vengeance
This is an irresponsible piece of advice that encourages us to stalk players who are adept at finding crytsals or not very skilled at picking them up, like new players.
Rakel was talking about crystals that you are obviously attemting to pick up, not any crystal on the map. ....I was standing on top of the crystal when he arrived....
If someone wants to argue that this kind of disruption of the way the game is actually played by the vast majority of players is role playing, I would laugh. But ok, maybe it is. However, the crystal thieves I\'ve met in Planeshift are just selfish pigs taking advantage of people in a very OCC way.
I think most people in this thread who told Rakel to pipe down have a lot of crystals. I wonder what they would say if they had none. 8o 8)
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Life isn\'t fair. If you are walking toward a monster to kill, and someone runs out of the trees and kills it before you, do you say \"hey that was my monster I was going to kill\", was it your monster? Did you own it? No, it was sitting there for anyone to kill. The crystals are out there for everyone to take, If you are too slow, thats your problem. Enough said, this whole discussion is childish and stupid.
And just for the record, I do not have very many crystals.
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i\'m kind of on zetsumeis side with this...i don\'t find him to be dishonorable at all in fact i find it fun to try and get the crystal before he does and if he get\'s it first then it\'s his....i have to admit that the first time someone took a crystal i was about to pick up it pissed me off. but then i realised how stupid it was for me to get mad over something i can\'t even hold in my hand\'s and i started to laugh....now when someone does it i just go off and try to find another..........
i have not been on for awhile so i will take this time to say hello to some of the peep\'s that i have met.
hello karyuu...bora....zetsumei...fenrison...and all the other\'s too many to mention here :D
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I think most people in this thread who told Rakel to pipe down have a lot of crystals. I wonder what they would say if they had none. 8o 8)
Err, sure we have alot of crystals, but thats just cause we\'ve been here a while, and you know what? Anyone with over 2000 crystals in rubies have had quite a few diamonds stolen right under their noses, (heck, I took one right under Drak\'s nose while he was afk :D ) and you know what, its really not worth whining too much about, even now, that they\'re worth some ridiculously small amount of money.
Just wait until you have monsters to worry about, heh, then maybe you\'d have some sort of valid point worth complaining about, or defending at least. :baby:
Besides: You didn\'t kill anything to get that crystal, the only thing you did, is press the arrow keys and move the mouse around in the right places. You don\'t own something unless you possess it in your inventory, there\'s not way of me, following you to know that you didn\'t see it. I dont see half of the crystals I walk past.
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Its a \"free game/country\" I can follow you around if I please, I\'m not breaking any rules. ;) Wether I decide to be a jerk...well, thats a different story. So please dont sink to their level, big big about it, the time you spend complaining you could find yourself a better crystal, or more of them. ;)
If you\'re worried about this becoming a trend, well, thats an entirely different post. Just don\'t expect an innovative, new, anti-\"theiving\" system to be introduced in MB, thats just silly. :rolleyes:
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I wish I took a screenie... you were NOT ontop of the ruby. You were BEHIND me to my left side. I ran up to it then you run up to me and call me a thief. So :P~ at you.
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Originally posted by Psybur
I wish I took a screenie... you were NOT ontop of the ruby. You were BEHIND me to my left side. I ran up to it then you run up to me and call me a thief. So :P~ at you.
They might of been but you have to take lag into account.
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Yes, I was lagging when I went up to the crystal. Rankel really must be a stupid noob and deserved to have the crystal taken if s/he couldn\'t take it in time. Suenan tells me rankel was on the crystal, but I saw no person on the crystal. And yes, I do remember this event clearly.
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Jee, I hope this thread gets CLOSED soon.
Hint, this is more dumb and annoying than amusing.
\"Cry me a river\" should have been said five replies ago, I regret not saying it earlier. :rolleyes:
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No one is under any obligation to read these forums. Spam is useless and annoying and should be controlled but if people still have valid points to make, let em. If you do not like what\'s being said, stop reading it. Clicking the Next Thread >> link is even simpler than stealing a crystal. :))
And now, back to Unreal Tournament and gun-barrel justice...
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Any system we make to mark a crystal as \"yours\" is subject to the same \"stealing\" criteria as this thread if you use another action instead of pickup.
\"I was just about to greet the crystal when Player X greeted it before me!\"
At some point, you have to accept that someone beat you and move on to the next crystal.
- Venge
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Quoted from Rumblebelly
i\'m kind of on zetsumeis side with this...i don\'t find him to be dishonorable at all in fact i find it fun to try and get the crystal before he does and if he get\'s it first then it\'s his....i have to admit that the first time someone took a crystal i was about to pick up it pissed me off. but then i realised how stupid it was for me to get mad over something i can\'t even hold in my hand\'s and i started to laugh....now when someone does it i just go off and try to find another..........
Yeah, I don\'t think of Zetsumei as dishonorable either. When I said I had \"Zetsumei fear\" it was a compliment. :-) It just means that I feel the need to grab it a little quicker.
And when I was beaten to an emmy on the ledges in the pillar room because I suck at getting around on those, it just made me want get better at that so I practiced (eh, gave me something to do ;-)).
And nice to see you around Rumble. We were wondering where you have been. (I miss your \"har har har\'s\" ;-) )
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Hey, I can see why you were annoyed, but I don\'t think it\'s worth complaining about.
I had an emerald stolen from me, that I did greet, and went to pick up. I was angry and demanded it back, but there was no way he would give it back.
I bitched about it for a while, realised what an idiot I was being, so I apologised and went off hunting.
I\'ve never had any problems with Zetsumei, and if he takes a crystal from me, I won\'t get angry. Even if it\'s a diamond. I\'m looking forward to CB and if I don\'t get rich from MB so be it.
Farewell.
Oh as for ethic systems, etc. This is a Roleplaying game, they are merely roleplaying, the \'do-gooder honourable crystal hunter\' and the \'sneaky crystal thief\' good or bad, it\'s part of the game
EDIT: To clear things up, I do not have many crystals either
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This\'ll all be ancient history come CB anyway. So says... the MAN. :P
*Does Chrono Trigger impression*
*bounces madly* It\'s \"The MAN\"!! :D
Btw, this doesn\'t apply to any post still here, but... please try not to get all worked up and start using bad language, whosever side you\'re on or whatever you believe. :)
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har har har tis good ta see i be missed. give\'s this old dwarf a warm fuzzy feelin inside (or is that gas ) har har har :D