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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Psybur on April 11, 2004, 02:01:34 am
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Hello, I was having a little fun today putting xstals in the air. Then I realized how pretty crystals look when I zoomed in on it. So now, I am starting the \"Make Hydlaa Prettier\" project. I am going to put xstals in the air around common areas to make things look less bland. I am also in the Explorer\'s guild, so putting the crystals there should be no prob. If anybody would like to donate a crystal (emmies look the best) please give it to Psybur, and if you have a location request, tell me!
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This project is very... Interesting... To say the least.
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I\'ve always wanted to see a circle of crystals in the air (in a pretty wide diameter) around the statue in the plaza. Maybe with your crates it can be possible ;) I\'ll donate all the crystals for that project if you\'d be willing to do it.
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Can do kar :}
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Ah, this sounds like the perfect reason for me to return to the hunt...
*writes a blank cheque in Psybur\'s name*
Just be sure to post screens of your work back here should anything happen to them...
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Awesome. Building a circular platform around it, at the right height, shouldn\'t be too hard for you :)
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Yeah, I am making a platform on to which the rubies will go.
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Cool. I like it as an art project.
I will give you some emmies, for sure.
But won\'t people take them? I have no clue how to do that or how to put them up in the air, either, but someone must know.
:emerald:
:rolleyes:
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Then we\'re going to have to try to make this perfectly clear.
If you see crystals in the air, where they do not normally spawn, PLEASE do not try to take them.
If you\'re short on crystals and want some, all you have to do is just come to me, and I\'ll gladly give them out to keep the crystal art up.
No touchie crystal art the air. Touch it, and I swear I\'ll hunt you down with a brick :/
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I love to see that!
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(http://members.lycos.co.uk/omghi/underplat.jpg)
(http://members.lycos.co.uk/omghi/onplat.jpg)
I think it should be a bit higher. What do you think kar?
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*waits for psybur to post iminent pics of project*
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oops. too late lol. i think it looks fine personally....but ur not asking my opinion....so yeah lol.
*wishes he could mod but is afraid he will completely screw up client...and hates math with a passion*
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Aye, a little higher, to the actual hand. You have it up to the beginning of the sleeve :)
The length of the platform is good. If you\'re up for a challenge, though, I\'d suggest making it the size of the fountain base below, so the ring of crystals wouldn\'t overtake it.
Great work so far!
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It is as big as the base ;p 32.8 meters. *raises it a bit*
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(http://members.lycos.co.uk/omghi/fouruby.jpg)
Lookin good huh? I chose that texture for the platform becuase it was gridded *is GENIOUS*
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:DDD
I love this idea. Full speed ahead from here, when you have time again :)
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Ok...here\'s some pics i managed to take when psy was doing his job!
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(http://www.chaoticwarriors.uni.cc/pics/rubyring1.JPG)
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(http://www.chaoticwarriors.uni.cc/pics/rubyring2.JPG)
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(http://www.chaoticwarriors.uni.cc/pics/rubyring3.JPG)
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(http://www.chaoticwarriors.uni.cc/pics/rubyring4.JPG)
I\'ll post some more tomorow!
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If you guys pm me with a time/place to meet you I\'ll give you xtals. I\'m -5 gmt, but any time is possible.
Long live art.
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The /buddy give function works with a player that isn\'t on-line, so you can give items to someone anytime.
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Psybur, you really must teach me how to do that.
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Great. I almost have the first half of the ring done! 1 person has already complimented me :} I will get a screenie after the 1/2 mark
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(http://members.lycos.co.uk/omghi/halfring.jpg)
Almost there :D
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Update: One kind soul, named Thorban, donated 3 emmies. I already had 1, so I replaced the original rubies that made a cross with the emmies. :}
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One fine fellow donated a dia! well, here is the finished product:
(http://members.lycos.co.uk/omghi/ring.jpg)
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Anymore requests? This isn\'t the only project I\'m going to do... Karyuu also suggested another one. Criss crossing arches over the azure towers. *needs to learn how to make beizure curves if he is going to do that*
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Very cool, although in some time, such things may become impossible to do or be bannable ......
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... I love you :D
Bravo Psybur! It looks amazing!
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Gotta love pre alpha tech demos then. :}
And to Karyuu\'s reply: *blush*
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I was thinking maybe u should do a halo of dias above the statues head....then i thought that people would learn to mod real quick if you did that lol.
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I had a little fun in the temple:
(http://members.lycos.co.uk/omghi/templecross.jpg)
Hope it lasts...
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Wow, wonderful work Psybur, see you really are the master! :))
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Yeah, great work Psybur! ;)
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(http://members.lycos.co.uk/omghi/peoplexstals.jpg)
The xstal mod is only temporary. I have the originals backed up. :D
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Psybur, your idea is fantastic! (and crazy too :D )
Putting them in fires would be cool. Burning rubies - that\'s it! ;)
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Only problem with taht is people would steal them no matter how many warnings u put out.
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Now I\'m a real fan of Psybur\'s art!!!
Beatiful, marvelous, great!
I\'d really like to join you in making this town prettier.
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ok..i thought i was cool changeing skins..and look at you...lol what program did u use to do that?? i am quite interested....
:evil:thinks of what he is going to do:evil:
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Thanks to this thread, the ability to do things like this has been eliminated in CB--so don\'t get your hopes up...
- Venge
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We all knew this was going to happen eventually.
Luckily CB is still 5 yrs away. :P
Beautiful work Psybur! :tup:
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To quote the gadget man \"Wowzers!\"
First thats crazy cool and second how in the blue blazes did I miss this thread earlyer.
/me ponders
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Hey Psybur, I /buddygave you 60 r.
Rock on. 8)
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Originally posted by Vengeance
Thanks to this thread, the ability to do things like this has been eliminated in CB--so don\'t get your hopes up...
- Venge
But why are you removing this ability, other than to plug a mod. I mean, I can\'t think of any malicious way this could be used, or how it could be used to gain an advantage over other players. Perhaps I\'m not thinking hard enough. I\'d appreciate it if you\'d enlighten me, along with everyone else, to your reasons behind this, if you will.
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you could get access to places where you cant reach normaly. advantage in fights etc etc, there are MANY possibilites
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yes.. such as making walls to ...trap people in places... making a ladder to the top of the RED TOWER as i want to do and will stop at nouthing until i get to the top of it :D MUAAUAAGHAHAAHAH....lol making little platforms to mage or arch monsters and get easy xp..yeah theres alot of things you could do...
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Alright! Who is the A**HOLe or A**HOLES who stole the art in the plaza? Whoever you are I hope your computer blows it\'s guts skyhigh. I hope you get hunted down for the slug you are and hung from the staff as an example. Damn you make me sick.
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Originally posted by Whisp
Alright! Who is the A**HOLe or A**HOLES who stole the art in the plaza? Whoever you are I hope your computer blows it\'s guts skyhigh. I hope you get hunted down for the slug you are and hung from the staff as an example. Damn you make me sick.
Did you stop to think that perhaps the server rebooted? You shouldn\'t start wildly accusing people of things untill you know, for a fact, what happened. :)
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But the art inside the temple is still there, so in that case only the plaza got rebooted. ;)
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Sorry Mogura and all if thats the case, but like Sinon said only the plaza art is gone. Actually I do hope that is the case.
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looking at the screenshots, it would be hard (if not impossible) to pick them all up. Would need to make same mod to do so...
And yea, I wondered who placed the ones in Aendar\'s (:P) temple...
but that\'s some impressive job, Psybur.
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I would have assumed the plaza xtals were swiped if the temple ones were still aloft. And been pissed off, too. Can a server reboot make the map look different in one place? And, is that what happened?
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Originally posted by Psybur
(http://members.lycos.co.uk/omghi/peoplexstals.jpg)
The xstal mod is only temporary. I have the originals backed up. :D
LOL! Thats funny...Great job by the way...i actually was watching you other day when you strated it...and posted early screenies..:P
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Either someone took the crystals or someone other deleted their entry from the database. These are the 2 posibillities which could have occured. Too bad they are gone :(
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We knew the risks when the project started. Art, any art, is never permanent ;) At least we had the chance to see it, and we have the screenshots.
And you know what? While we still have the ability to create crystal art, we will :D
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Yes, even I knew the risk. I am still happy I did it though. Also to the devs: Can you look into the database or something to find out who stole the xstals? Like player soandso took a ruby from coords 1,2,3?
[edit] Thankyou people who donated. I am planning out the next big project (thinking where to put the xstals, how many, and taking coords to build a platform) :}
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Cool!
How did you do it?
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Originally posted by Vengeance
Thanks to this thread, the ability to do things like this has been eliminated in CB--so don\'t get your hopes up...
- Venge
you say that like its a bad thing
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Do any of the devs know how to make bezier curves? Crystal Space has the ability to make them. I think learning that and using them would be a lot easier and more effiicient than making everything all blocky. I want to know how to make a bezier curve so I can make a good arch, not a stupid blocky arch :{
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Well, if the crystals really were wiped in a server crash, the next proper restart of the server should put them back up. I\'ve hidden crystals before, and after a crash they dissapeared, but after a proper restart they came back.
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Originally posted by Psybur
Yes, even I knew the risk. I am still happy I did it though. Also to the devs: Can you look into the database or something to find out who stole the xstals? Like player soandso took a ruby from coords 1,2,3?
Even if they did look it up, It was a mean thing to do, but its not a crime...theres nothing you can do about it...
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http://www.moshplant.com/direct-or/bezier/math.html
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Individual crystal id\'s are not retained so we cannot track who took what. However, I would assume someone made the same mod shown in the screenshots and made themselves a little richer. :-)
Just fyi, a server restart will NOT result in crystals like that disappearing. Someone took them.
- Vengeance
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Originally posted by druke
Originally posted by Vengeance
Thanks to this thread, the ability to do things like this has been eliminated in CB--so don\'t get your hopes up...
- Venge
you say that like its a bad thing
in wrong hands it is...
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How could someone have taken ALL those crystals without someone else seeing it? ?(
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uhmm if im not mistaken is this editing server side from client side???!!?!??!?!?! 8o
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Did you expect them to stay there forever? If a crystal is just laying around, at a spawn point or in the air, it is not wrong to take it. Yes it was for art and yes it was very good, but if you drop your crystals they will be taken. If that\'s a problem then don\'t do it.
Anyway, Psy, those screenshots look very nice and it was good while it lasted.
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Originally posted by Vengeance
Just fyi, a server restart will NOT result in crystals like that disappearing.
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Really? Because I\'ve hidden crystals in places unreachable unless you modded (like 50 meters past a wall in the temple), and after a server crash they disappeared, but after what I assume is a proper restart (or shutdown?) they came back.
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Originally posted by Abemore
We all knew this was going to happen eventually.
Luckily CB is still 5 yrs away. :P
lol so true ....... nice work psybur
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
Did you expect them to stay there forever? If a crystal is just laying around, at a spawn point or in the air, it is not wrong to take it. Yes it was for art and yes it was very good, but if you drop your crystals they will be taken. If that\'s a problem then don\'t do it.
I think we\'ve already established that we weren\'t expecting it to last forever ;)
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
Originally posted by Psybur
Yes, even I knew the risk. I am still happy I did it though. Also to the devs: Can you look into the database or something to find out who stole the xstals? Like player soandso took a ruby from coords 1,2,3?
Even if they did look it up, It was a mean thing to do, but its not a crime...theres nothing you can do about it...
Of course it was a crime if someone stole the xtals. Suppose I made a hack and stole your crystals - would that be mean but not a crime? Wake up, PK is almost here.
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It was not a crime, you set them down, they weren\'t yours anymore...you can\'t compare picking up crystals that somebody dropped from the ground to hacking into someones account and stealing crystals. Wake up...
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yeah really... i know a place where some of his art is that you can take uf u stand in the right place..... i didnt take it tho :tongue: but yeah he layed them down...if you lay your money down out on the ground where maybe 10-30 people are hanigng around all day you cant expect someone to try not to takr it... and its not stealing cause you left it on the ground....
but anyway one more... nice work psybur
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Why does it always come back to stealing or not really \'stealing\'? Learn english!
Great work guys I?ll have to start collecting again so I can give ya?all some.
< mumbles as he walks away. ?Greedy little good for nothings need to read the darned forums once in a while.? Hurumph.>
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
It was not a crime, you set them down, they weren\'t yours anymore...you can\'t compare picking up crystals that somebody dropped from the ground to hacking into someones account and stealing crystals. Wake up...
The artist did not set them down. He created a work of art for the public to enjoy.
If somebody took a statue from the public square of your town one night would you not call it stealing? Of course you would.
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Pity that they are gone...but can you do...I seen the Dawn...i seen the Day...i seen the Sunset of Ruby Ring...
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Its that same as all public art, sooner or later it gets destoryed or grafittied (sp?). Its like those artists who draw masterpieces on paving slabs, sooner or later the rain will wash it away, the public will walk over it and it will erode into nothing. All beauty is fleeting, nothing can be preserved forever. Most galleries would like to think art is forever, that it should be categorised and preserved, but personally i think art should be impermenant.
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Originally posted by Maxximus
Originally posted by Icefalcon
It was not a crime, you set them down, they weren\'t yours anymore...you can\'t compare picking up crystals that somebody dropped from the ground to hacking into someones account and stealing crystals. Wake up...
The artist did not set them down. He created a work of art for the public to enjoy.
If somebody took a statue from the public square of your town one night would you not call it stealing? Of course you would.
Did somebody make a statue out of money in your town? :rolleyes:
Don\'t make it a public announcement as to how you did it this time. ;)
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Actualy is someone steals a statue from your town you call it vandalism and its a crime agast who ever owns the ground that statue was on but no one realy owns thin air where these crystals where placed.
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Oh well. I need to know the tags and everything if I want to make a 3D bezier curve so I can make an xstal tunnel or something near the temple entrance
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ok i gotta say something.. stealing the xtals was a crime :D
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an xtal tunnel?? that would be Bad A$$ but htat would almost certanly get stolen....
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Okay, how\'s this for a scenario? A guy is sitting around, thinking, \"I sure could use some more gems. What\'s a good way to get more gems?\" Then, it dawns on him: \"I can pass myself off as an artist, asking people to donate gems toward my artwork. Then, after the art has been up a while, I can create a new character, log on, \"steal\" the gems, and keep them. Everybody will suspect somebody else stole the gems, because why would I, such a good and noble artist, steal my own artwork? Then, of course, I will have to ask for more gem donations, so that I can start a new art project...\"
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That concept is ridiculous if you know the person.
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Originally posted by Kraxton
Okay, how\'s this for a scenario? A guy is sitting around, thinking, \"I sure could use some more gems. What\'s a good way to get more gems?\" Then, it dawns on him: \"I can pass myself off as an artist, asking people to donate gems toward my artwork. Then, after the art has been up a while, I can create a new character, log on, \"steal\" the gems, and keep them. Everybody will suspect somebody else stole the gems, because why would I, such a good and noble artist, steal my own artwork? Then, of course, I will have to ask for more gem donations, so that I can start a new art project...\"
As imaginative as that is, it\'s not exactly the most constructive thing to say on a thread that is constantly on the verge of an all-out argument. :P People are trying to leave this topic alone... there\'s no need to start it up again unless there\'s something constructive to add.
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Well, I was online and was an eyewitness to the \"theft\" of the unattended crystal ring around the statue\'s head. If you find the player of an Enkidukai character named Ratfink, you\'ll find the thief.
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Originally posted by Kraxton
Well, I was online and was an eyewitness to the \"theft\" of the unattended crystal ring around the statue\'s head. If you find the player of an Enkidukai character named Ratfink, you\'ll find the thief.
Let\'s organise Witch Hunt...more precise Thief Hunt...track him don\'t...then PU T HIM ON THE STATUE AND SHOUT BURN BURN!!!
Or abuse him by throwing him out of he city...yes the Exile...i been there once...i drowned in the sea...
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If anybody can find out how to make bezier curves, tell me! People donated money to me so I could make art, not to give it to me to keep.
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Originally posted by icebr4kr
http://www.moshplant.com/direct-or/bezier/math.html
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Thats not how you make a bezier with the crystal space engine. That teaches you about the bezier curve in real life :p
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I don\'t think you\'re going to be able to draw curved geometry from the worldfile. Instead you should just make an arched stairway. I dunno if you could get the points based on positions derived from a bezier curve, but getting them from angles on a circle with x radius would probably work fine too.
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Crystal Space has a bezier curve plugin. crystalspace.mesh.loader.thing.bezier
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A stair archway is going to give you more accurate results anyway, you won\'t get accurate positioning trying to stand on a curve.
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I would is I put 1 crystal on each endpoint, and in the middle, and then work off of that.
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More art!
(http://members.lycos.co.uk/omghi/catdog.jpg)
The cat, on the left, was created by Luze, and the dog, on the right, was created by me. Enjoy!
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ROFL! XD
You guys kick ass :D
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Very nice! Saw it in progress but couldn\'t see the finished product...I can\'t seem to log on at the moment. :( Hopefully that\'s not the cause of it. I would like to be able to see it. Good work guys! :D
edit: Nah, got in fine an hour later
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Thats awsome!
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Supurb creative thinking, Psybur.
I made a special visit to Hydlaa just to see your art when I heard of it. Quite a spectacle!
It is characters like you who make the Realms the wonderful place they are.
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Heh, seems PART of my cross came back with the NPCs. The right side of the cross and emmy are gone if your perspective is from the temple entrance.
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Jestal stole the other crystals from that one...
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All of the cross came back in the reset, though it didnt survive the rest of the night...
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Originally posted by Karyuu
Jestal stole the other crystals from that one...
Originally posted by Elkindel
All of the cross came back in the reset, though it didnt survive the rest of the night...
Because of Jestal?
I\'ll have to add him to my \"Online List\" so I can find out more about him, and maybe convince him to give some back. (Yeah right :rolleyes: )
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Do keep in mind that he\'s an individual who \"left\" a large amount of crystals on the ground (and the amount keeps changing with each story) then was dismayed that they weren\'t there when he returned several hours later, and tried to beg crystals off of others. He also pretended to be a GM at one point, in a rather... ridiculous fashion. He\'s not someone you can get crystals off of.
/endofftopic
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I really liked the crystal ring around the statue... in memorum, I think the devs should include something like it in CB :D
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Or I will find a way to mod and not tell anybody and make another, out of trias, maybe.
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I\'m pretty sure that anything you can come up with, they can find some way to block
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I\'ll just have to keep it under wraps ;p
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(http://members.lycos.co.uk/omghi/psy.jpg)
A shameless plug, but art none-the-less.
[edit] I edited the P so it looks better. See it ingame D:
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This project is dead now :/ My guild leader wont let me make anymore crystal art D:
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All the crystal art that was up before was killing the server and the people tryin to log in. The crystal art was nice but I prefer being able to log in :P
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Now how can we be sure it was the xstal art? :p
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1. anyone that logged out near it couldnt log back in, but people in the dungeons could.
2. new characters couldnt log in. again, they appear in the plaza wich was full of crystal art.
3. i couldnt log in for an entire day, then nil took down the crystal art and i havent had any problems since.
Sounds like it was the crystal art to me :P
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dude, was that why /spawn wasn\'t working?
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Thats wierd, I ont see why that would cause login problems ?(
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Well as stated in the forum below, that was related to the day no one could log on, you can see that because of the massive amount of crystals cause those that were in the area of the crystals it caused them to not load. I do not know the technical problems to why this has happened, it showed that anyone that was near them couldnt log on.
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=8733&boardid=17&sid=665c0da49aa45291bd987a24286604d3&page=3
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Nilaya made a nice post in the XG forums about this. To summarize:
\"MB simply cannot handle this, there are only around 250 spawns in the whole game ... yet here we had over 300 additional crystals in just ONE AREA.\"
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
Thats wierd, I ont see why that would cause login problems ?(
Read. (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=8733&boardid=17&styleid=3&sid=cbf05d5ca19af5f31d35a5f0218fe051&page=3)
Crystals are objects, chars are objects. MB probebly can\'t support over a certain amount of objects, so it went frenzy when there were so many more than it can hold.
Edit: Damn, you beat me to it... Forgot to post it :rolleyes:
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Alright, just shows my ignorence of programs again... :(
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Hey Psy
I haven\'t been online in a while, so I missedyour works of art. The screenshots I saw are brilliant, great work.
I\'ll have to come online more often, I am occupied with uni at the moment.
-three cheers for the artist-
Adeli