PlaneShift
Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Saphire on April 14, 2004, 07:07:45 am
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It would be interesting, from time to time, that a event would occur where the ceiling of the giant cave would shift, and send small stones falling to the ground. This could be a substitute for rain. :P
However, the other purpose of this is for random things like utility-ores(iron, coal, copper...), precious ores (silver, gold, platinum...), jems (diamonds, rubies, emeralds...), and possibly small and VERY small items (rings, amulets, peircings...) could all drop durring this \"rain of stone.\"
It would obviously damage players, perhaps severely damage them, if any object hit them including the small stones. But for the most part these stones remain very small pebbles and dirt chunks with no more impact then a rain drop or a small hail stone. However, when a large portion of the ceiling collapses and lands on the ground, it could have any proportion of items and ores within it: so it could be mined and have a claim staked to it by a (possible group of) player(s).
These big ones would obviously kill you instantly, but a large shadow and a distinct \"big-a** stone falling\" sound would warn of any impending danger LONG before it crushed your body. As well, it\'s very hard to miss a large object hurtling directly down upon you. As well, if castle-like seiges are ever implemented it could give another possiblility of breaking down a wall... just wait until a large stone falls on it; or make one fall on it. ;)
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I\'m just curious... If we are supposed to mine rings and stuff out of the dirt above us, who put it there for us to mine? Gotta think backwards some times... :)
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hmm.... the rain-thingy sounds great. nice idea:D
altough that part about sieging... never heard of a siege that was ended by a giant stone falling down on it.
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I\'ve never heard of a siege that took place inside a cave, though. :P Wow, every post here has had a smilie...
Anyhow, perhaps there could only be raw materials inside the big rock. No amulets, rings, etc., as Gronomist said, because they just don\'t pop up out of nowhere.
Is it possible for a complete cave-in to occur? Also, perhaps players could be trapped by falling stones, such as rocks crushing limbs or just being surrounded by stones.
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what if you are in a hole when a huge rock is falling and it seals you in...youll be there a long while unless you can dig yourself out in the pitch dark...otherwise it is a good idea except for the items....id understand if player actually left it there and the rock it was on fell apart though
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Well, if a player was trapped, then I suppose the person calls for help or somehow commits seppeku. Monsters, on the other hand, will try to dig themselves out with the fierce determination of the computer AI. And woe to the poor trapped player that is dug out by a monster.
Perhaps yelling can cause the rocks to fall. Perhaps yelling in caves can kill you or enrich you.
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YELLING AS IN USING 2 MANY CAPS????
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good point on the jewelery... but rare ores found in the rock would be a good idea.
As for getting trapped - it\'s unlikely. These stones would be near-round and probably have very large - and thus pointy - spikes on it\'s lower side, and would probably kill you before it trapped you.
Though in the unlikely event that you DO become trapped, the rocks dissapear in 5 to 30 minutes and can easilly be dug out. If you\'re trapped you can blast away with spells and slash away with weapons, and you\'ll eventually put the rock into smaller and smaller peices until you can move out of the rock normally.
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yeah but then oyu would be killing a rock and split it in half.....you die if it falls wrong...or you get crap in your eye and run your head into a wall....magic is probably the best way to get it off of you unles there is a way to pussh lighter rocks
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what about using yr mining skill 2 get out?
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Originally posted by Wormtail_
Well, if a player was trapped, then I suppose the person calls for help or somehow commits seppeku. Monsters, on the other hand, will try to dig themselves out with the fierce determination of the computer AI. And woe to the poor trapped player that is dug out by a monster.
Perhaps yelling can cause the rocks to fall. Perhaps yelling in caves can kill you or enrich you.
cant u always use the /spawn command to get out?
Greetz Majin
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respawn command is only in the current version in case you get stuck somewhere....
mining skill would make the same thing happen unless you dig a tunnel to the side
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I like the idea of dirt instead of rains, but the rest is kinda problematic...
I think that big rocks that could squash you \\ trap you in a cave would really suck. Hard things in games are challenging, but when you walk around and get squashed by a giant rock that fell from the cieling it\'s not challenging - it\'s aggrevating.
The small rocks might be ok, but think about it. The cave is huge, bigger than half of the PS planet (according to one of the maps in the PS world thread). Even a small pebble that will fall from the cieling to the bottom of the cave will create quite a nasty hole - atleast according to our laws of physics. Power = Mass times Velocity or something, and as the pebble will fall longer, it\'s velocity will increase... Ouch.
I don\'t think that ore should fall from the cieling either, it\'s too easy. Ore and other valuable things should be mined in specific places. You can\'t just dig wherever you want and expect to find iron, oil, or whatever, right? These things are located in certain places, and that\'s why they\'re valuable.
And since valuable means hard to get, having ore falling off of the roof will render it invaluable. Even if it\'ll be rare.
You should be able to get ore only by mining. Unless, of course, you\'re a thief, or a merchant, or your axe happened to fall on a merchant, chopped his head off, and your hand accidently took everything he had... :P
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actually, things can only speed up to a certain degree based upon there shape and areodynamics. For instance, a penny can not exceed 30 miles an hour i beleave it is. If you were to drop a penny from the empire state building, assuming that the wind did not blow it into the the ledge that is 3 stories down, which is often the case, when it finaly hit the ground it would not have enough impact to even leave a mark, and would only leave a small bruise on someones head. Given the wind that blows constantly through caves, and the roundness (semi areodynamic, yet too bulky) of a pebble or rock, it would probaly bounce along so to speak, the wind channels, and by the time it hit the ground would make little more than a thud, and the crater would be little more than a cintemeter deep at most. Sorry physics go out the window when you stick things in a cave, and then consider the shape of the object. Well that is my two cents, feel free to flame.
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Well, the point is, it would really suck if you walk around in the bottom of the cave, and then something falls on you (besides Megaras droppings). Whether it\'s gonna take only 5hp or 50hp it doesn\'t matter. It\'d suck.
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Umm, turkenlukz, sorry to tell you this man, but your arguement defies algebraic formula.
I learned last year that an objects speed when falling is determined by multiplying it\'s density by it\'s height then dividing by friction. if dropped on it\'s side from a high enough height a penny could indeed cut through someone\'s head. I\'ve never done the math, so I don\'t know if it could do it from the empire state building or not...
Also, since force =mass multiplied by speed squared, a penny traveling at thirty miles an hour is like being hit by a single penny with the mass of 900 pennies.
that\'s a lot of weight for such a small surface area.
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I doubt a penny can cut through someone\'s head, it\'s side isn\'t sharp enough.
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you all seem to missed his good point. This would be a GM event, meaning it would happen rarely.
I like this idea and propose another idea to aid this idea. I think during this event, the entry to the cave for example is closed up with rocks(so this is kind of like rp).. It\'s closed up with rocks, and only people who are inside get to participate in the event :D. This gives tremendous opportunity, but at the same time you have to get lucky to stay alive.
I think death would not do anything to you other than teleport you back from the cave, and obviously you cannot enter again. But, as Saphire proposed, during the falling of the ceiling, lot of rocks would contain gold, dimonds, etc.. (hence why do you think everything fell apart), those heavy metals could not hold on anymore :P)
The event should last about 30minutes to 1 hour with contstant pounding of the rocks inside the cave.. let\'s just say, if you stand in one place, and you are lucky person in general :D, you would last 2-5 minutes.
But the secret is to run around looking at fallen rocks.
So I expanded your idea a bit
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hey saint, you ever heard of a claymore, the sword not the mine? it\'s cutting edge was as wide as my pinky, it cut through the human body merely by sheer momentum
the blade on a claymore was custom made to the weilder, but on average it was 5 and a half feet of steel and usually upwards of 150 pounds.
it was only wielded by the strongest of warriors
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Hmm ya, I can think of a bunch of accident stories where construction workers had their legs cut off by meter thick steel beams...My friend\'s uncle had a really bad construction accident and lost both his legs...
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The terminal velocity of a penny is about 60.3 miles per hour (I think it was). It does not have the force to break bone or usually even break the skin. On Mythbusters (on the Discovery channel) they rigged up a staple gun to shoot pennies at terminal velocity. They also shot eachother with it and only came out with a few bruises.
They also rigged a rifle or shotgun or some other form of firearm to shoot a penny at about the same speed as a bullet. When shot at the same speed as a bullet, it had the same effect as a bullet and shattered the dummy head they were using to prove that a penny *cannot* fall off the Empire State Building and kill people at the bottom or wedge itself in the concrete unless somehow someone shot from the top with a gun.
Ok, now that I\'m done being a geek, I think it would be cool to have random little cave-ins or such. After all, the game *does* take place in a cave, and anything with a roof could send debris down in some way.
As for what is falling, maybe some things of value such as gems and ores, but a greater number of just random bits of rock than stuff worth anything. Also, though, the falling rocks would probably be concentrated mainly in one place, which would be the weakest part of the roof/cieling/whatever, and so most of the people would probably just get hit on the head with chunks somewhere between the size of a baseball and random pebbles (hopefully your char would be on the side away from all the huge rocks, that is). Even then, stone forms in layers, so it\'d be likely that the parts falling would be long, flat, and rather skinny unless they were a stalagmite/stalagtite (I dunno which is which any more), making them probably just a few feet long and wide, and maybe up to one foot in height... Or maybe I\'m just overthinking things, so I\'m just gonna shut up now.
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Yeah, Im all for random events like that...cave-ins, rock slides...thunderstorms with lightning... maybe some magical random events as well... just some more ideas 8)
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Umm, turkenlukz, sorry to tell you this man, but your arguement defies algebraic formula.
I learned last year that an objects speed when falling is determined by multiplying it\'s density by it\'s height then dividing by friction. if dropped on it\'s side from a high enough height a penny could indeed cut through someone\'s head. I\'ve never done the math, so I don\'t know if it could do it from the empire state building or not...
Also, since force =mass multiplied by speed squared, a penny traveling at thirty miles an hour is like being hit by a single penny with the mass of 900 pennies.
that\'s a lot of weight for such a small surface area.
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This is the exact reason I said, please feal free to flame now, I knew someone who did not have the whole facts would dispute me, I do however aknowledge the fact that I was wrong, I thought the speed was 30.2 mph err whatever, and only typed 30, and it is 60.2. I just did not feel like typing all that in about mythbusters, which is where I learned the same thing.
THANKS alot, I really appreciate that Oru
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\"The terminal velocity of a penny is about 60.3 miles per hour (I think it was). It does not have the force to break bone or usually even break the skin. On Mythbusters (on the Discovery channel) they rigged up a staple gun to shoot pennies at terminal velocity. They also shot eachother with it and only came out with a few bruises.
They also rigged a rifle or shotgun or some other form of firearm to shoot a penny at about the same speed as a bullet. When shot at the same speed as a bullet, it had the same effect as a bullet and shattered the dummy head they were using to prove that a penny *cannot* fall off the Empire State Building and kill people at the bottom or wedge itself in the concrete unless somehow someone shot from the top with a gun.\"
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Turkenlukz, I think you kinda mix the term \'diffrence of opinions\' and \'flaming\'.
Flaming involves cussing etc, that are toward the person that said something.
Diffrence of opinions is when someone disagree with what you said.
Flaming - bad.
Disagreeing - builds a healthy conversation (or flaming, if the sides are n00bs).
You weren\'t flamed.
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lol
-agrees with saint
I try not to flame people, it\'s a little ignorant. at least when you debate you learn things. I imparted knowledge of algebra, and they imparted knowledge that they have learned through the process of educational television. either knowledge holds it\'s merits.
I\'ll have to see if I can\'t watch some of that show.
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gee guys :D way to stay on the topic.
To solve all your problem and the lag haha, there will be no small pieces falling. Just nice big chunks of rocks filled with various expensive metal.