PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Cataray on April 18, 2004, 09:08:15 pm
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I just logged in and very quickly out of PS there are some people online using very profane and discriminating language.
Can anything be done about that ??
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Um, Im not sure how, but you can save the chat log...somehow. Send it to the devs...I don\'t know what they can do about it though... That rarely happens, the community is usually pretty clean
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You need Ainekos mods to be able to save the chatlog.
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That dosnt happan too often... but i must admit it happans now and then. This guy was realy annoying. It wasnt so a year ago :(
But thats why we have GM\'s! Too bad none of them was ingame :|
EDIT: i have the chat log, but that wont change anything anyway. Such ppl ussualy come on once and then dont return.
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
Um, Im not sure how, but you can save the chat log...somehow. Send it to the devs...I don\'t know what they can do about it though... That rarely happens, the community is usually pretty clean
The chatlog automatically saves if you have Aineko\'s mod.
If there are no GMs in the game at that time (which is a pretty safe guess otherwise those people would have been booted), you can go into IRC and ask one of the devs there to manually boot some people.
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We have a number of GM\'s that can kick players. Look for one of these people in game or on IRC.
- Aineko
- Axsyrus
- Cad
- Kada
- Gronomist
- Moogie
- Nilaya
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Well I logged on as well and saw 2 people basically \"trolling\" in caps nonstop as ignorant and hateful as they possibly could. This happens in multiplayer games as there isn\'t a mentality check before allowing these specimens to log on. What disturbed me was the fact that this was going on for about an hour already without anyone on that could do anything about it. Not a very good first impression to many of the people who were on and voiced their disgust before leaving.
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Hmm.. thats the first list of GM\'s i think.
Grono refused from what i know.
It think it sould be like this.
-Aineko
-Axsyrus
-Cad
-Kada
-Moogie
-Nilaya
-Bora
-Grakrim
-Keldorn
Please correct me if im wrong.
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The mods also include a /unshout feature, a necessity for survival without GM\'s on. ;)
(...and a /ignore.)
I personally think that more GMs should be appointed. There aren\'t enough to police it currently.
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I agree with Monketh. Of all the GMs appointed, I believe that Hevrah is the one I see in-game more often, followed by Nilaya, but they are not on most of the time. More GMs would surely help :/
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I think it would be more sensible if the GMs appointed are of different timezones, so that we are guaranteed to always have at least 1 GM online at any given time. No point hiring a bunch of GMs all from the US who all go to sleep at the same time. :)
Edit: I\'ve been highly neglectful of my GM position lately... thus I will make a point to download the MB client again and hang around as much as I should already.
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It would also make sense to have multiple GMs from one time zone, since no one can obviously play this game from say 2 oclock to 6 oclock (how do you spell oclock????). Real life intrudes on us far too often to be able maintain a regular playing time for a set time during the day.
Moogie, you had to download it? So you deleted Planeshift?? 8o ?(
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Originally posted by Levski
... no one can obviously play this game from say 2 oclock to 6 oclock ...
Nonsense! I\'m on between 1 and 6 in the morning a lot of times, and so are several other regulars :P \"No one\" is misleading.
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Originally posted by Mogura
Edit: I\'ve been highly neglectful of my GM position lately...
Bad Moogie!
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Originally posted by Karyuu
Originally posted by Levski
... no one can obviously play this game from say 2 oclock to 6 oclock ...
Nonsense! I\'m on between 1 and 6 in the morning a lot of times, and so are several other regulars :P \"No one\" is misleading.
Yeah...
When do you sleep, again?
My point is that most people aren\'t willing to stay up that late.
...or can stay on that long.
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*has about 4 hours of sleep each night* XD
But yes, more GMs = good.
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I myself have brought certain people to Venge\'s attention personally (Those this was before GMs) As he told me there isn\'t much they can do about it at the moment but in CB there will be certain measures to take care of these offensive players. Until then I suggest you download Aineko\'s mod which comes with a handy little /ignore command.
Edit: I\'ve been highly neglectful of my GM position lately... thus I will make a point to download the MB client again and hang around as much as I should already.
It\'s amazing who the devs put in charge...a GM who doesn\'t even have the client...[/COLOR]
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
Until then I suggest you download Aineko\'s mod which comes with a handy little /ignore command.
which i am very fond of :D
anyways once again i have to ask all of you what the surpirse and shock is. it happens every day, every minute, every second almost all over the world. offensive words in mmorpgs chatrooms and the like. it is bad, yes. but is it enough to post of a forum about? we cant do anything about it right now, you can always ignore it... I mean is it really so bad that you see an offensive comment and think to yourself \"my god thats horrible! i need to say something because i know i can stop him if i pester him enough with my blatant morals\" remember that something that is offensive to you may not be offensive at all to someone else and vice versa. he may find you just as offensive as you find him. so the only solution is, if you find someone offensive, dont say anything. ignore him. let stupid retarded offensive barking dogs lie. you wont make much of a difference. if you do however say soemthing and miracualously you do change his mind, you need to become a priest or a negotiator as you have some skill :P So just ignore him kids. please? oh alright...
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Yes, the unshout command came in quite handy...I invoked it for the very first time. And as for the fact that there were no gm\'s it was just bad timing (or good timing from the troller\'s perspective). But eventually, it was Kada to the rescue.
Best not to feed the beast, but inevitably someone complains or tells the offender to shut up, or worse yet, hurls insults back at him, giving him exactly what he is looking for. Unshout or ignore is the best way to go.
Of course none of this helps the impression of a newbie who just happens to come along at that moment, but you can only do so much.
*bows to Aineko yet again*
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... Like now we have a nice little troll by the name of Xung. This is the third or fourth time he\'s come on, and there\'s no GM to kick him. And he\'s being VERY inappropriate. ... Bah.
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Hmm I haven\'t been on in a while but it sounds like lack of GMs is common....maybe more GMs need to be appointed. Or at least those GMs that are instated already need to be in more often (Or download the client as it may be...)
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Name who should be a GM here in this thread and someone else second the nomination, and I will appoint more.
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Aendar & Kiern.
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Kwartz for GM! *waves a banner around madly*
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jeh kwartz for president.....no wait....gm yea thats it :)
go kwartz :P
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=) yeah go me!! (thanx guys xD ) presidency sounds good though I reckon id be quite good at that. :D
(Agara is on a lot recently, shud be a good gm)
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I think Moog and Sep may have orchestrated that ;)
...but I have no objections to Kwartz (assuming he is in-game from time to time).
I\'ll also second Aendar\'s nomination (again, assuming he has MB installed)
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When was the last time Kwartz or Aendar were in-game? :/
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about 6 minutes ago.
im in game pretty much every morning whilst doin sketches for the tc.
(+ with 29 ps regulars on my msn list im easy to get hold of)
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yea, Kwartz should do good...
I mean c\'mon... point at least one person that will be doing better with the community trolls than the kran with a cigar... c\'mon :P
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Kiern and Kwartz. :)
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I think Kiern never being ingame might be a problem :P ;)
oh yea, I\'d second Agara for GM, but I think she\'s too nice to kick people :P
So I\'ll say Harveywallbanger should become one...
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I\'ll second that, harvey\'s in game fairly often and i think he\'d be a good GM. As for Agara, well....she did throw a brick at someone for a misunderstanding once....thought someone had called Sangwa a cat i think it was..... :P
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i 2nd agara\'s nomination and 100,000,000,000,003rd kwartz\' nomination :P
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When was the last time Kwartz or Aendar were in-game? :/
I haven\'t been on in a couple of weeks...mainly due to the fact that I got tired of all the offensive/annoying players bugging me.
However, if I was made a GM, (slim-chance) I think I would make it into the game most everyday.
But I think those that have been mentioned would make excellent Gms so I second-third-or fourth Kwartz, Agara, and Harvey.[/COLOR]
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I never have used foul or abusive language, that would ruin the game :(
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New Gms:
Myself
Agara
Harveywallbanger
Im online most of the day and u can contact me most times on msn:vuduk@hotmail.com and aim: vudukanaka should u need me and im not ingame.
Im going to make an effort to get on for as much as possible everyday and thanks for all nominations.
Congrats to Agara and Harveywallbanger who both do truely deserve it.
:D
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Congratulations. I know Agara and Harvey are on a lot so hopefully these pesky abusers will be driven off in no time :)
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I re-nominate Kwartz!
...oh wait.
Harvey is on everyday, this will definitely help. :)
I feel less annoyed already. :P
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Yay! And yes, I saw you on this morning, Kwartz :) Hope you\'ll come in more often as well.
Thank you! :D
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I wonder why the Kiern and Aendar fell through? Maybe, could it be......I wonder.....
Hell, I nominate Xordan, I am sure he is bound to get seconds.(being serious)
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Neither are online in MB consistently.
If Mogura isn\'t on consistently now, there would be no point in opping her, but at the time there was.
We need people who are known to be cool and who are online a measurable amount.
- Venge
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Either Harvey or Agara are on pretty much any time I am, so they\'re great additions. If Kwartz is on in the morning it\'s no wonder I never see him, I only really fit into the dead of night timezone for when I\'m on.
And Aendar thinks he\'s a god already, the last thing we need is someone actually giving him those powers.
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Well I think I fixed the bug in my mb client which kept making me crash, so if that\'s the case, I\'ll be on loads. :)
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I\'ve never thought I was a god....I know I\'m a god. And all you ignorant mortals who think otherwise will soon bow down to me.
:]
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I agree.... God of the midden heaps......
(Yay, client fixed. :D)
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Hmmm well if the new GMs are gonna be on more I might start up again. No more annoying n00bs will make the experience much better.
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
I\'ve never thought I was a god....I know I\'m a god. And all you ignorant mortals who think otherwise will soon bow down to me.
:]
I withdraw my vote for Aendar :P
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Pfffff. :p
The vote was already taken anyway so you can\'t take your vote back now. Nope sorry it\'s too late.
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Seems that most of the GMs that have been nominated disappeared. Harvey and Agara used to be on 24/7, now we\'re lucky if we see them three times a week... And for some reason the number of foulmouthed cretins has been increasing drastically lately. So if it\'s not too much trouble for the devs, this close to CB, I\'d still like to nominate Elkindel as another GM. He\'s on often, and has a great sense of what is just and what isn\'t. I\'m more than sure that if you ask around in the in-game crowd, everyone would agree :)
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i wholeheartedly agree that the \'troll\' count has increased, tho i am a GM, i unfortunately cannot be online 24/7 like i used to be due to RL
and i also want to second the vote for Elkindel to become a GM :)
well; i shall see u guys ingame :)
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*agrees* i second elkindel becoming a gm. *wonders if his vote counts for anything in the first place*
he really would make a good gm since he is on almost constanty.
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I vote Elkindel as well....
Hmm... Karyuu, you forgot something!
You need an 8 ruby sacrifice and a long ritual preformed on midsummer\'s eve to ressurect this thread ;)
josePhoenix
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It is pretty bad...I just started getting on again and each time there\'s someone who decides to test the waters and try to bother the easily annoyed...though I don\'t really know anyone (who is on and is not already one) enough to say who would be good at moderating that. :baby:
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i vote aendar!
although when i played ps none of the members i see on the gm list do i remember seeing ingame. btw i have gm experience
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Again, Aendar is not in-game often enough. We need someone who already spends a lot of time in PS and is comfortable doing so.
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Venge has already said that I don\'t spend enough time in-game to be a GM (Plus he doesn\'t like me much), so until I do it\'s pointless nominating me. But I\'m not sure who the regulars are nowadays so I don\'t know who would be best for thr job.
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I vote for Elkindel aswell. How come they haven\'t kicked you out of this forum yet Shadowkhan? I thought you would have spammed enough to get everyone annoyed at you :P j/k
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Well whenever there\'s a troll problem, you can go on the Fan Channel ( #planeshift on irc.quakenet.net ) and ask for some assistance. Axsyrus and Grakrim are nearly always on there, and would be more than happy to shut \'em trolls up ;)
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Unfortunately, being on IRC is not the same thing as being in-game... The GMs were assigned to provide immediate assistance, as I understand it, so if they have some free time on the computer, it would be preferrable that they spend it during the few tasks GMs get to do right now, in PS itself..
A short while ago Elscha became disgusted at a troll in-game and came into IRC to ask Grakrim to intervene, but to have to do that every time is a bit much, in my opinion.
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contact out of game; Vuduk@hotmail.com <- add me to msn if you dont have me, im pretty easy to get hold of.
and better yet, try #planeshift-gms on freenode.net - pretty much always at least one of us in there.
The person who has been a nuisance mentioned above is behaving for the large part now and I know of most of their alias. This is the same person generally being an ass alround.
Mayia has recently been made a gm to do the mid afternoon times, and I usually cover the morning few hours with no problems, agara and harvey should be back soon though I think.
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How about making an organized schedule for the times GMs have to be on?
The PS community (like most online communities) is based all around the world, so it shouldn\'t be hard to find someone that will be able to be on at times that in another country people usually aren\'t awake.
Ask every GM what times they can usually be on, and then tell them wich hours in wich days of the week they should be on.
e.g. GM1 on Sundays from GMT 0:00 to 6:00. GM2 from 6:00 to 12:00 etc.
Of course, it doesn\'t prevent GMs from being online in the times they\'re not scheduled for. And if a GM is sick, or have to go somewhere or something, he can always ask from one of the GMs on IRC to replace him.
If I understand the current way of things, the GMs just come online whenever they want, and log out whenever they want, and occasionaly kick trolls out. Pretty chaotic.
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We got by with no gms at all for a very long time, far longer than weve had gms, so I find it hard to believe things are as bad as people make out, especially as I only have to punish someone around once a week (and often the same person/persons)
A system is in place for CB regarding Gms so things should not be a problem.
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It\'s hard to play a game that freezes your system after 10 minutes of play, requiring a complete reboot. That is both why I don\'t play MB now, and why I uninstalled it earlier.
Seeing as I have nothing important to do lately, I\'ll have another go at trying to get to the bottom of my problem. But if I can\'t, there\'s not much I can do about it.
[Edit: Ahaaa... all I seem to be getting now is a Microsoft Error Report. Something\'s gone right for me... it\'s been so long... *weeps*]
As a side note, I want to say welcome to all the new GMs, and hope that everyone is aware of the GM rules and guides in Kada\'s tavern. :)
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oo oo oo!!! Vote me!!! :D
*Holds a big \'Vote for Me\' sign above his head*
Too bad I got voted least trustworthy, and certain devs have certian negative feelings towards me. :D
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a member of cabal as has much chance of becomeing a GM as
a 1 legged man in a a** kicking tourny
@ moogie : OUCH that sucks . mayby you should switch your OS ?
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The reason why the \"GM Force\" isn\'t always around is because they are not real GMs, they\'re simply players who have accepted to boot players who are annoying, if they happen to be on while it happens. Since the GM\'ing abilities and functions are not really implemented in MB, and the fact that the whole squad will have all powers removed with the coming of CB, and the fact that they are not really GMs, just players with mod powers means noone has really thought carefully about who gets applied, and if the people really are suited for the purpose. As for now, they are intended to just be around whenever they can and boot people who don\'t play nicely. However, in the future it will be more professionalized with schedules and minimum amounts of hours ingame, etc., etc.. Just keep in mind that GMs in MB are not really GMs at all, they\'re players like you, me and everyone else. They just have the ability to boot the ones who steal their crystals... I mean, say bad stuff. :)
[Note: I think that post is messed up, but nonetheless, GMs are not bad people for not being around, as they are not forced to be around. Not by their responsibilities, and not by the devs. They\'re still only players.]
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Nah, my system has a whole host of problems, not to mention a virus that\'s hooked up to most of my files so I can\'t get rid of it. (Don\'t bother suggesting things... believe me, I\'ve tried everything you could think of. Just visit the Aliathi forums, there\'s an entire thread about it there). If I switched OS I can just see everything collapsing in on itself. :(
I had an idea to help people who need to get in touch with GMs. Kwartz has posted his contact above... perhaps we could make a sticky thread with every GM\'s email address or something? Not everyone has to take the risk of posting their email on a forum, but it would be useful if all those that do can be gathered in one thread for the betterment of the ingame enviroment. Any thoughts about this?
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You have to remember not everyone\'s computer is able to run IRC, PS, and messenger\'s at the same time. I know mine can\'t. which means for me I\'d have to minimize PS, start hopster, start MIRC, connect, go to the chan find a GM, close MIRC, bring PS back up (Hoping it hasn\'t crashed), and then wait for the GM to come in.
By that time it\'ll be too late to do anything about the offensive player except tell them to stop. Which I could have done in the first place. GM\'s need to be in-game at least an hour a day so that they can actually do something about the problems. If the GM\'s are busy doing other things or are having problems with PS then we need to, yet again, find new ones.
I just started going back to PS and luckily it\'s not been too bad. Though from what I\'ve been told it\'s not always like that. I stopped playing because I got sick of the annoying/offensive players. I would like not to have to stop again.
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I think we all need to realize that CB will attract a LOT more players. If it is mildly more entertaining than basic chat like MB, there will be plenty of GM\'s willing to be on to \"work their shift.\" There will also be GM petitions, so I doubt any of this will last. Petitions coupled with returning players should help keep away trolls.
I agree that it is ridiculous to have to contact a GM on IRC to get them to go on and boot someone. It\'s too much of a waste of everyone\'s time. I haven\'t really seen these trolls, but I believe it. The GM\'s I have seen have done a good job, even if it\'s not booting players. Last night, Xenia was helping some new players. There was even a bit of RP going on. Heck, last time I played (about 6 months ago) she was on. And the time I come back (last night) she was still there at that same time (~5 o\'clock GMT, 12AM EST :P). Pretty consistent if you ask me.