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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Altharion on April 24, 2004, 05:57:46 pm
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i just posted it here, think its better then hydlaa.
Originally posted by Sangwa
DE inactive? You aren\'t that aware.
I think you may be confusing True Evil with chotic evil. Chaotic Evil is about the destruction of all, about hatred and madness the Chaotic Evil character (Like Kefka of Final Fantasy 6 when approaching the end) shall not rest until he has slain all.
True Evil (like Sauron), hungers to impose its will on all, using whatever means they can (deceit, betrayal, etc.) to make sure they rule the world and that all knee before them.
Lawful Evil (Like Bahamut Lagoon\'s villain) wishes to subdue good and neutral, using lawful ways like forming an Empire to impose their will on others, they prefer defeating the enemy in battle lawfully rather then using chaotic methods, that way they can prove their supremacy instead of winning \"dirtly\" and that is why they sometimes are suported by higher races like elves, men and dwarves (unlike True Evil which uses corrupted races like goblins, orcs, trolls and such).
At least that\'s how I see it.
PS: There are different \"intensities\" for each of those alignments.
sauron is a bad example go with morgoth.
another example then kefka is shunji which becomes crazy and does evil \"shit\".
lawful evil is kinda like al capone.
but true evil isnt morgoth either since he wanted to make a world of his own, same with sauron and that \'s not evil.
following what squall said in the end of disc one:
i dont think there is true evil only different view\'s.
or people afraid of an larger forum leaking any thruth that they see fit.
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*Shoots Thread*
Listen to Sangwa. Wanting to own the whole world is evil.
*Shoots Thread again just to be sure*
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Another one 8o
*spanks the dead horse*
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I gave Sauron example because he wanted to own the world (morgoth also wanted to own it, to corrupt the world and make it his). And Sauron is trully evil ^^.
True Evil exists, if you think it doesn\'t then it\'s not my fault you follow the septicism philosophy.
Al Capone? He was against law, but I don\'t really know the story so I\'m not gonna make any comments about that^^.
D&D alignment theories are my favorite.
Like I said there are different intensities, you can be a Chaotic Evil char and not want to ruin the whole world, it just means you disrespect laws and people\'s feelings following what you believe.
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*points at \"The Hydlaa Plazaa\"* -_-
since we\'re into ethics-morals set....
lawful-evil = dominator
neutral-evil = outlaw
chaotic-evil = destroyer
therefore all Morgoth, Sauron and Al Capone were lawful-evil...
now chaotic-evil is about everything that\'s evil...
destruction, mayhem, betrayal etc...
so you could call that true-evil
there -_-
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D&D alignment theories are my favorite.
yeah i think i would like that best in PS.
*points at \"The Hydlaa Plazaa\"* -_-
sorry my fault.
maybe it would be better to find a character that is true evil for an example?
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Oh boy, another \"What does \'insert alignment here\' mean.\" Can\'t we all just accept the fact that there is no definet line between the different shades of good or evil. Its like trying to generalize all the different shades of a color under one name, or every temperature as either hot or cold. There is no black and white, but an endless scale of grey, with a range of shades beyond count. I like the way Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic handled alignment, a scale of how good or bad you are instead of one definet classification.
Just my little input on the subject. Moogie... I think it would be a good idea to close this topic before it gets out of hand.
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lol, no RPG forum is complete without at least 1 alignment thread... or is that 200 million??
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Originally posted by Xalthar
lol, no RPG forum is complete without at least 1 alignment thread... or is that 200 million??
I say we delete all the alignment threads and tempban everyone who starts them.
Every other thread has shown that there is no clear definition of an alignment, as 9 alignments simply can\'t cover everything. Get over it.
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Yeah whatever Davis.
Well I don\'t think Chaotic Evil is True Evil because True Evil is Evil without being Chaotic or Lawful. Sauron used deceit... I don\'t think that\'s lawful and morgoth also did it but both of them wanted to rule...
Bah it doesn\'t matter, devs must chose an alignment set and implement it and we should use it as our guideline. So I think we\'ll have to wait \'till they chose the best alignment set for PS ^^
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there won\'t be alignments in Planeshift. But that doesn\'t matter. Everyone will be non-aligned anyway.... \"go and bash monsters\" or something ;)
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NOPE
Choatic evil is like pirtes they do loot and plunder and do it when they feel like it it
lawful evil is like ninjas they got a set of codes to obey by but still do stupid things like throwing shrikans instead of useing guns like pirtes
netural evil is like lawyers LOL .. na take for example a consumer watch dog group they dont do nutting but when they actually do something its bad :D
its nearly the same for netural good but you got to think church watch dog group
*TAKES OUT \"SUPER HEATED STEAM THROWER\"*
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god this guy is weird -_-
anyway, would be nice if before starting/joining such discussions people would actually... I don\'t know... read a bit about it?
actually you could answer that question by reading this (http://srd.pbemnexus.com/description.html) or other alignment descriptions...
edit: just noticed something:
\"Lawful evil is sometimes called diabolical, because devils are the epitome of lawful evil.\"
\"Lawful evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents methodical, intentional, and frequently successful evil.\" :D
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Yes but that doesn\'t go agaisnt Neutral Evil being True Evil and it points out that Sauron is Neutral Evil actually I was folloing something like that when I posted all this alignment stuff ^^.
Bah who cares there are more important business than this.
PS: Cool link ;)
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Originally posted by Draklar
god this guy is weird -_-
:D
Thanks i strive for weirdinessness
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well maybe I see true evil as different thing. In my opinion true evil = pure evil, as in everything that\'s evil. Now to quote chaotic-evil:
\"A chaotic evil character does whatever his greed, hatred, and lust for destruction drive him to do. He is hot-tempered, vicious, arbitrarily violent, and unpredictable. If he is simply out for whatever he can get, he is ruthless and brutal. If he is committed to the spread of evil and chaos, he is even worse.\"
Sauron was dominator, not a thief thingy =P
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?Neutral Evil, ?Malefactor?: A neutral evil villain does whatever she can get away with. She is out for herself, pure and simple. She sheds no tears for those she kills, whether for profit, sport, or convenience. She has no love of order and holds no illusion that following laws, traditions, or codes would make her any better or more noble. On the other hand, she doesn?t have the restless nature or love of conflict that a chaotic evil villain has.? Well Sauron does whatever he can to rule the world, he cares not about who he kills, he respect no traditions or laws, he just wants to own the world and not to be fighting forever ^^.
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heh, ok... I simply see Sauron differently, especially after listening to \"War of Wrath\" ;)
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That\'s life, people have different perspectives. That\'s also why alignments exist ^^ and why wars start.
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*smiles happily,one side of her mouth curling up higher than the other*
Hardly matters precisely what type of evil it is if your on the recieving end at the moment mmm?
You\'ll be sure to mull it over endlessly and analyze the circumstances later but what difference does it really make?
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Originally posted by Fiere
*smiles happily,one side of her mouth curling up higher than the other*
Hardly matters precisely what type of evil it is if your on the recieving end at the moment mmm?
You\'ll be sure to mull it over endlessly and analyze the circumstances later but what difference does it really make?
None. Thank you for your addition to the list of why alignment discussions like this are stupid.
Can someone mod please close this thread?
About Sauron... he\'s Lawful Evil, IMO. He serves a greater master and runs a nation, acts just like any other leader except evil. Neutral Evil is also possible, but he is very definately not Chaotic.
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Rofl
I guess I didn\'t consider it nearly as important , my general comment was who gives a rip but oh well.
There is a mass of discussions that will always drag on with no solid conclusion, thats how opinions are.
Of course for somone who wants this thread to dissapear you replied awfully quickly ...
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Originally posted by Fiere
Rofl
I guess I didn\'t consider it nearly as important , my general comment was who gives a rip but oh well.
There is a mass of discussions that will always drag on with no solid conclusion, thats how opinions are.
Of course for somone who wants this thread to dissapear you replied awfully quickly ...
Actually, I saw your name on the main forum page so I checked it out. You don\'t post here a whole lot.
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Not recently :]
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It\'s always good to have healthy conversations, even if they seem useless they aren\'t, since one gets to know the others and their points of view better.
It is in fact good to see you post here Shadowmistress Fiere. (recently I mean)
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True evil is non-existant. Evil and good are just propaganda used by figureheads to make people flock to their banners.
Is there a thread somewhere about what the different alignments mean?
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Hmm ok now lets stop this while we are all ahead ^^
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Originally posted by Monketh
*Shoots Thread*
Listen to Sangwa. Wanting to own the whole world is evil.
*Shoots Thread again just to be sure*
Do not good people want to be kings so that they can make the world a better place? Out of necessity, of course.
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Originally posted by anpulevich
Originally posted by Monketh
*Shoots Thread*
Listen to Sangwa. Wanting to own the whole world is evil.
*Shoots Thread again just to be sure*
Do not good people want to be kings so that they can make the world a better place? Out of necessity, of course.
What on earth possess people to bring back these old useless threads!!!:evil:
Oh while here I would like to point out the greatest quote ever in Davis\'s sig. \"Can\'t sleep, the dutch will eat me...\"
Its just so...true...
Oh and *fake locks the thread*
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Holy mother of thread ressurection! What the hell is this? Somebody give this guy a warning / ban him please...
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Any and all posts regarding allignments from this point on will be deleted without warning. There are numerous threads discussing this and you all lack the intelligence to have a clear concise arguement anyway.