PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kuiper7986 on May 17, 2004, 01:40:28 am
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Just a question, but would a lot of negative things happen in Planeshift was not 56k friendly. You think people with 56k\'s would get mad?
Since most of the world is on 56k about 60%-70%. Would be it be crucial for Planeshift\'s success to make the game available for people with broadband and narrowband?
Everyone feel free to respond. This is a question that prolly a lot of people with 56k would most likely worry about.
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It is and will be avaliable and as friendly as possible to people with 56k... what\'s your point?
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Well not everyone knows. My point? Hint: the title of this thread
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Personally, I think the people with 56k need to update their connection, 56k is outdated, you can get broadband for little more or the same price :)
But for those that...can\'t, they will be happy to know that their 56k will work ;)
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it\'s not neccesarily true that planeshift needs to be 56k friendly in order to succeed, after all, it\'s completely free, that will draw a LOT of people. I don\'t think it would really be fair to the enormous number of people who use a 56k. but it\'s not really essential to the survival of the project...
hehe, but I can imagine the hordes of dissapointed rpers swarming over the planeshift team.....
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Low bandwidth is not a requirement for the modem people out there if you decide you don\'t care about them. But it is a requirement of your server if you expect or want to support a lot of people at once.
1k/sec/person means that about 150 people take an entire T1 line from the server. 10k/sec means you can fit 15 people on the same T1 line.
Which would you rather? ;-)
- Venge
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
Personally, I think the people with 56k need to update their connection, 56k is outdated, you can get broadband for little more or the same price :)
But for those that...can\'t, they will be happy to know that their 56k will work ;)
I think you will find that in alot of cases its not a matter of just updating. Prices vary from country to country and so does availability.
America isnt the only country on earth.
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
Personally, I think the people with 56k need to update their connection, 56k is outdated, you can get broadband for little more or the same price :)
But for those that...can\'t, they will be happy to know that their 56k will work ;)
\\o/, 56k for little more or same price? Broadband really isn\'t that expensive. Most of the people i know had 56K, but all went to broadband after getting the first 56K bill. A 56K bill was like 250 euro\'s per month, when doing less with internet then when you have broadband, while broadband is available from 14.95 and doesn\'t have those extra costs per minute.
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Broadband is not cheap.
Thanks to the Idiotic Telecommunications Minister.
While Broadband is affordable in Australia it is by no means even close to being cheaper than 56k.
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Broadband is cheaper than 56k (for me anyway). It\'s also much more comfortable. 56k people should update to broadband. The only people who need 56k are those who use the internet for only menial tasks such as recieving/sending e-mail. Gamers should be on broadband.
If we took a poll here, would most people be 56k or broadband?
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Originally posted by kyp14
Broadband is not cheap.
Thanks to the Idiotic Telecommunications Minister.
While Broadband is affordable in Australia it is by no means even close to being cheaper than 56k.
Yes so will people please stop with their authoritarian this is how it is in our country so it must be the same in yours attitudes.
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Mr. Vengeance has a good point, people with dial-up take up less bandwidth on the server allowing more people in, broadband takes up more bandwidth therefore reducing amount of players allowed in the server.
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No, his point is the less bandwidth the game uses, the more people you fit on a server. Broadband users can\'t take up anymore bandwidth that a dial-up user.
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As far as the cost of internet service goes, your area really does affect the price. we have the 2Mb service from charter, it costs us $61 dollars a month, my parents live in an area where the options are sattelite or 56k. they pay $98.56 a month, we have 56k services here in cape that go for $9.99 a month. dsl costs $46 if you\'re in a good area. Some places here the dsl is ungodly. and really that\'s the cheapest high speed you can get in this area.
until we started getting student loans, there was no way we could have afforded to get the good service. and I\'m pretty satisfied, we\'ve had one interruption in service due to a server crash, in four months, when we were on 56k, we had at least one crash a month, and it died every time there was bad weather. so spring was hell.
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We\'re getting Cable for about $30-$40 around D.C. Pretty good deal. 56K *would* be cheaper, but not by enough to make it a big deal...
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Wow, I have a 100 Mbps DSL connection that only cost $25 a month American...$98.56 is crazy, I would rather go to the library anytime I wanted to use internet if I had to pay that much for 56k...
And yes, I wasn\'t thinking about those in different countries...sorry, It never entered my mind that high speed wouldn\'t even be available in some places...my naive americanity shows through... :]
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well, my parents live about 12 miles outside of town. so their options are pretty limited. my little bro likes his MMOs though, and if you\'ve never tried the new ones on 56k, heres a hint, you don\'t want to.
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Whoa. 100 MB/s?!
That meas you download 1 gig in a bit more than 10 seconds...Wow.
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Originally posted by karakth
Whoa. 100 MB/s?!
That meas you download 1 gig in a bit more than 10 seconds...Wow.
He said 100 Mbps, which is about 12.5 MB/s, but that still seems way to fast for a DSL connection (although I don\'t know what the limits of DSL are. Fastest DSL connection I\'ve seen is 4.5 Mbps or (bit over 500 KB/s)
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First it depends on the variant of DSL you have: HDSL, SDSL, ADSL, VDSL.
HDSL can get up to 2MBit up and down, you need 3 copper cable pairs for that.
SDSL is always equally fast in both directions (hence symmetric DSL ;)), needs only one pair of cables. But at least in good ol\' Yurop you have to win the lottery to be able to afford it. Twice. Also 2MBit max.
ADSL ist the most common variant, downstream max 8MBit, upstream max. 1MBit. One pair of cables.
VDSL goes up to a whopping 52 MBit/s for downstream, upstream 2.3 MBit. Problem: the length between the computer and the main switch cannot exceet 300 metres (that\'s 328 yards for those who favour the strange length units :P)
Perhaps the ethernet adapter has 100 MBit/s ;)
Otherwise I know who will host a PS server in the future. :D
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in UK, you can get 100mbps if u live in london, and it isn\'t DSL. Your connected to the core lines, so u get whatever bandwidth it availiable, which is usually huge. Costs around ?15,000 a year. ($25,000)
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Oh so cheap :rolleyes:
Bah huge transfer is only useful (apart from servers) for downloading illegal stuff X(
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Originally posted by Pogopuschel
First it depends on the variant of DSL you have: HDSL, SDSL, ADSL, VDSL.
HDSL can get up to 2MBit up and down, you need 3 copper cable pairs for that.
SDSL is always equally fast in both directions (hence symmetric DSL ;)), needs only one pair of cables. But at least in good ol\' Yurop you have to win the lottery to be able to afford it. Twice. Also 2MBit max.
ADSL ist the most common variant, downstream max 8MBit, upstream max. 1MBit. One pair of cables.
VDSL goes up to a whopping 52 MBit/s for downstream, upstream 2.3 MBit. Problem: the length between the computer and the main switch cannot exceet 300 metres (that\'s 328 yards for those who favour the strange length units :P)
Perhaps the ethernet adapter has 100 MBit/s ;)
Otherwise I know who will host a PS server in the future. :D
Very correct there... In fact We work on split DSL lines, thus we share here.... It\'s about 2 times the speed of a 56K, thus topped out at 128 Kbps and it costs 3 times what I pay now for dialup - $9.95. Cable is also available, but very unreliable due to our strong winds. It goes down no less then 2 times a month and for hours on end. Satalite costs anywhere from 80 to 120 a month and it uses a dial up connection for uploading. Not worth it at all. The biggest thing I look for whenever I get any game is the 56k availability of it. I left EverQuest due to it\'s need for many 12+ hour updates and always needing to buy new cd\'s. THose costing on average of 20 each....... and the patches that came with the new cd\'s. I will not pay any monthly fee for waisting my time and my phone bill. Enough said. =)
Anyway, i am DLing the parts now to try it out. I think I will be impressed and may show it to my friends. Hopefully they\'ll want to join in.
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Welcome to the community.
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
Personally, I think the people with 56k need to update their connection, 56k is outdated, you can get broadband for little more or the same price :)
But for those that...can\'t, they will be happy to know that their 56k will work ;)
Broadband is simply not available in some places.
If you live in any semi rural area you would have to pay for the cable to come out there and that can be upwards of 2000 dollars. It\'s not an option for everybody.
(I dont and I have a 500kbps connection on a cable modem we have a small busness connection so we are gurenteed at least 500 kbps but often get 600 kbps or even 700kbps it\'s very very nice)
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ive got 512kbps but our provider (telewest just upgrade all their broadband connections to 50% faster for free so now i have 768kbps (90KBps download speed) :D
on topic it would probably cut their audience but since its free they will still have a large audience. also im guessing that must of the MMO fan base will have fast connections because of use of previous games (could/probably be wrong though :) ).
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Originally posted by grek
ive got 512kbps but our provider (telewest just upgrade all their broadband connections to 50% faster for free so now i have 768kbps (90KBps download speed) :D
on topic it would probably cut their audience but since its free they will still have a large audience. also im guessing that must of the MMO fan base will have fast connections because of use of previous games (could/probably be wrong though :) ).
download speed depends on the mirror and your speed.
I can sometimes get speeds up to 300 mbps
Ps welcome to the planeshift message boards
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Originally posted by Ghostslayer
Originally posted by karakth
Whoa. 100 MB/s?!
That meas you download 1 gig in a bit more than 10 seconds...Wow.
He said 100 Mbps, which is about 12.5 MB/s, but that still seems way to fast for a DSL connection (although I don\'t know what the limits of DSL are. Fastest DSL connection I\'ve seen is 4.5 Mbps or (bit over 500 KB/s)
(http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload5/dsl.JPG)
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Originally posted by Vengeance
Low bandwidth is not a requirement for the modem people out there if you decide you don\'t care about them. But it is a requirement of your server if you expect or want to support a lot of people at once.
1k/sec/person means that about 150 people take an entire T1 line from the server. 10k/sec means you can fit 15 people on the same T1 line.
Which would you rather? ;-)
- Venge
Nobody in their right mind would run a server on a T-1 :)
You\'d run your server on a minimum 100Mbit/s switched port in a datacentre with quality peering to a local backbone provider. :D
All the gameservers I provide have 100Mbit/s ports availabe.
Btw, did you mean kbps or KB/s? - in terms of kbps; 1kbps/client would allow for around 1,500 slots on a T-1 symmetric line.
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
(http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload5/dsl.JPG)
Yes, which means you are connected to DSL through your network card (your network card running at 100Mbps, almost guaranteed thats what that is showing). Go run a speed test such as http://www.dslreports.com/stest to see where your connection lies.
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I noticed a few people were a little bit ignorant saying that people should upgrade to broadband and that it is not much dearer. Well where i live in Australia is classed as a rural area, we cannot get Broadband out here because the telephone lines are not capable of it. Broadband won\'t be to my area for another 4 years after a massive 20 Million Dollar phone line upgrade goes ahead.
Remember to be a bit kinda to those of us who are not so lucky and cannot do everything you want.
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Originally posted by elscouta
Bah huge transfer is only useful (apart from servers) for downloading illegal stuff X(
And uploading illegal stuff. :D
The stuff I could upload with a fast line... *drool*
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I agree with you Xyl, that\'s why planeshift is going to be great because it also allows for people to play with Narrowband, of course I\'m getting broadband in a few weeks...
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Yeah it is really ignorant to say people should all have broadband. While your at it, I think everyone who wants to play games online should have at least $3000 computers too, and degrees in playing video games.
Anyway, I dont have to worry as our neighboors got fed up with not having broadband and installed a T1 line for our neighboorhood :) I get DL\'s around 200kb/s, up from 1.5.
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Originally posted by Dalec
Yeah it is really ignorant to say people should all have broadband. While your at it, I think everyone who wants to play games online should have at least $3000 computers too, and degrees in playing video games.
Anyway, I dont have to worry as our neighboors got fed up with not having broadband and installed a T1 line for our neighboorhood :) I get DL\'s around 200kb/s, up from 1.5.
Community pipes are definitely the way ahead for rural areas (and some not so rural where the telcos dont go.)
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I am also from Australia and I know how terrible DSL lines are here. I\'m on 512 ADSL now, but until a few years ago, you couldn\'t even get broadband in my town, and I live ~40 minutes out of Melbourne. Cable, that\'s just a waste of effort. You have to be in VERY close proximity to have availability... and it\'s costs so much there\'s no point. We pay AUD$60 for 10GB a month 512... I know some companies that charge AUD$50 for unlimited time/download 56k dial up.
EDIT: fixed some typos.. heh
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Wel currently I\'m running Iprimus Unlimited hrs & download 56k internet for $24 a month with 50 Free local calls. i usually download 1Gig a month with my slow system, but it\'s all i can get around my way, I\'m like 250km from Brisbane and the closest broadband service is at Gympie which is still 52Km away.
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Originally posted by Xyl
service is at Gympie
I don\'t like Gympie, it\'s a drab place, last time I was in queensland there were extreme storms in Gympie, and roofs came off houses
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The 100mbps DSL thing made me laugh :) Partly because I know that speed of DSL doesn\'t exist, and also partly because a 100mbps connection would be VERY expensive (24.95? nope.).
Where I live there are a lot of choices.
Netzero/Juno: 9.99/mo
AOL: 21.95/mo was it? Probably more now.
COX Cable: 34.95/mo
PacBell (SBC) DSL: 49.95/mo
Those are just some of them. As you can see, broadband is still at least 20$ more expensive than DSL/CABLE, which can make a large difference for some people. Also, here the prices are relatively cheap to other areas or countries. I have COX Cable, 3mbps. It works, and it\'s fast, and the only reason we have it instead of dialup is because I begged my dad for it and because it makes our Cable/Digital Phone/Internet package be from the same company, which gets us a discount ;)
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All I have to say is.... 56k blows.
I love my Cable Modem on my home network, it just beats the living **** out of 56k.
Thanks,
Vakir
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Seeing that broadband is far from being universally available, I have always been surprised to see how many broadband ppl. are out there actually. Still, If game quality doesn\'t seriously decrease, I\'d like to see support for 56k. Hell, just imagine you\'ve become addicted to PS and then have to move somewhere one can only have 56k!
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It\'s been said before, but bandwidth isn\'t the limiting factor in Planeshift (at least not yet). 56k should work fine currently, and should continue to work after CB (at least that\'s the impression that I get...)
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You people have seriously misunderstood something.
First off, broadband is NOT DSL. Broadband is fiber optic cables running 10 or 100 megabit per second (12.5MB/s on the 100-one).
DSL uses the copper wires in your phone plug and has a maximum speed of 4 megabit per second (4-5, depending on the amount of copper in your plug).
Broadband is available, and cheap, in major parts of Sweden and Denmark (and most likely other places as well, I just don\'t know where because I haven\'t done research on it), with a setup price of roughly $300 US, and a monthly fee of ~$30 US and that is for Internet, Cable TV and Phone. No, I\'m not lying. The 100mbps lines however are usually shared by 50-100 apartments in apartment complexes, and so on, which cuts the price by a bit, so the price may vary.
Just to make an example, I have the prices from jay.net, a danish high-speed company. You can get a 100 mbps with a creation cost of 10,000dkk (1,647USD), and with a monthly cost of 15,000dkk (2,470USD) shared by... let\'s just say 100 apartments, giving 150dkk (24.70USD) per month, per apartment.
The 100mbps DSL thing made me laugh Partly because I know that speed of DSL doesn\'t exist, and also partly because a 100mbps connection would be VERY expensive
I\'m sorry, but first of all, 100mbps DSL does not exist. What you are talking about is a 100mbps broadband line, using fiber optic cables and no company in the U.S. offers that to private customers, mainly because it is too expensive in the US as they would need to dig out new holes, whereas in Scandinavia, they have space for it in the underground cylinders holding power-cables. There, it\'s simply a matter of pulling the line. Very little digging has to be done. So yes, a 100mbps line is VERY expensive in the US, but not over here.
And now we\'re at it, I can just as well say that the fastest documented connection to the internet that you can get is a 1 tbps (Terabit per second - that\'s 1000 Gigabit, or 1,000,000 Megabit per second - that\'s 22,222 T3 lines), however no company has that at this time. However, there is a company in New Zealand (can\'t remember the name) that has a line that on about 1/3 of a 1 tbps. That\'s pretty fast, you know.
Anyway, to get back on topic. Don\'t worry. You\'ll be able to run PS on a 56k for a long time. :)
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Originally posted by Gronomist
You people have seriously misunderstood something.
First off, broadband is NOT DSL. Broadband is fiber optic cables running 10 or 100 megabit per second (12.5MB/s on the 100-one).
Well I guess that all depends on the terminology. Here anyway, a broadband connection basically refers to anything faster than a 56K modem; so ISDN, DSL, Cable, T1, T3, etc. would all be broadband connections.
Originally posted by Gronomist
And now we\'re at it, I can just as well say that the fastest documented connection to the internet that you can get is a 1 tbps (Terabit per second - that\'s 1000 Gigabit, or 1,000,000 Megabit per second - that\'s 22,222 T3 lines), however no company has that at this time. However, there is a company in New Zealand (can\'t remember the name) that has a line that on about 1/3 of a 1 tbps. That\'s pretty fast, you know.
Thats insane.... the fastest connction I\'ve ever heard of is an OC768 : 40 Gbps which I thought was unbelievably fast.
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Well, I live in Romania and the prices here go waaaaay high. 56k is exensive but cable goes sky-rocket unless you share your connection with somebody.
16kb/s is 40 Euros with limited download which is extremely expensive for us, the salaries being very low.
I have a cable connection but it\'s not very good because in order to pay less we got a good DSL for the server, and the brodband is shared among a LOT of people. My connection speed is 2-3 kb/s so that puts me in the 56k section.
The good part is that I have to pay less than iI normally would through a telephone line and there\'s a fixed price.
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And now we\'re at it, I can just as well say that the fastest documented connection to the internet that you can get is a 1 tbps (Terabit per second - that\'s 1000 Gigabit, or 1,000,000 Megabit per second - that\'s 22,222 T3 lines), however no company has that at this time. However, there is a company in New Zealand (can\'t remember the name) that has a line that on about 1/3 of a 1 tbps. That\'s pretty fast, you know.
8o Who? Where? How much?
-Zorium
P.S. Look at location if your wondering :P
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Evenin\' all :)
Who? Where? How much?
I\'m pretty sure that none of the regular domestic providers (Telecom, Telstraclear / Paradise, etc) offer anything near that speed, at least to home users...
Citylink\'s another matter though- that\'ll get you access to the main trunk for the country, at some pretty obscenely high speeds. The problem is that it\'s also horribly expensive to install, so it sort of puts it out of the hands of home users.
I know a couple of guys who live next to one of the cybercafes in downtown Wellington, and are able to tap ito their connection (with permission, of course). As long as they stick to national traffic, they don\'t have to pay a thing. At last count, I think they were able to download a full DVD rip of a movie in about two minutes, on a good day.
Curse Telecom and their stranglehold on our communications... if not for that, a broadband connection- a proper broadband connection, mind, not just DSL or ADSL- would be slightly cheaper then what the average dialup companies charge :/
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Originally posted by Gronomist
You people have seriously misunderstood something.
First off, broadband is NOT DSL. Broadband is fiber optic cables running 10 or 100 megabit per second (12.5MB/s on the 100-one).
DSL uses the copper wires in your phone plug and has a maximum speed of 4 megabit per second (4-5, depending on the amount of copper in your plug).
You do talk alot of crap sometimes ;) ADSL2+ is 24mbps, ADSL2 is 12mbps and normal ADSL is 8mbps. And don\'t say that ADSL and DSL arn\'t the same thing -_-.
DSL is broadband, if it wasn\'t then I could sue every internet company in the UK, who all say that broadband is xDSL etc.
And the fastest speed that exists is \"Internet2\" which broke the 100-petabit meter per second mark. And no, that\'s not publically availiable, although you can connect to the line if you\'re next to a big university, and have access to around 6.63 gigabits per second, which is a transoceanic line, there isn\'t another transoceanic that goes at this speed.....
Oh, and anybody in the Uk can now get 512kbps minimum :) Prices start from ?17.99 a month I think.
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Citylink\'s another matter though- that\'ll get you access to the main trunk for the country, at some pretty obscenely high speeds. The problem is that it\'s also horribly expensive to install, so it sort of puts it out of the hands of home users.
I know a couple of guys who live next to one of the cybercafes in downtown Wellington, and are able to tap ito their connection (with permission, of course). As long as they stick to national traffic, they don\'t have to pay a thing. At last count, I think they were able to download a full DVD rip of a movie in about two minutes, on a good day.
Yeah I\'ve seen Citylink\'s prices (albeit through IHUG) and a 1.7 grand setup fee is not what I would ever consider (though a mate of mine thought about one of the cheap monthly rate ones because it had unlimited national).
Lucky mates, gutted about no international traffic though because almost no local servers for anything X(
Curse Telecom and their stranglehold on our communications... if not for that, a broadband connection- a proper broadband connection, mind, not just DSL or ADSL- would be slightly cheaper then what the average dialup companies charge :/
Yeah Telecom are evil gits Wired Country have good deals (though there aren\'t any transmitters in Wellington though) and the new wholesale adsl should be nice :P
-Zorium
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Lucky mates, gutted about no international traffic though because almost no local servers for anything
I don\'t think it holds them back too much... what they usually do is proxy out through our office\'s connection, which has unlimited traffic, pretty much. As far as servers go, I think they just run their own servers for the things they want to play- I know they\'ve got a box running the \"America\'s Army\" game, as well as a couple of DC++ hubs for all their file sharing needs. They seem to do all right by it :)
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Originally posted by karakth
Broadband is cheaper than 56k (for me anyway). It\'s also much more comfortable. 56k people should update to broadband. The only people who need 56k are those who use the internet for only menial tasks such as recieving/sending e-mail. Gamers should be on broadband.
If we took a poll here, would most people be 56k or broadband?
:( I live in the USoA, but I can\'t get broadband.
I live in a town with a population of 314 people in central missouri, and the only internet connectivity you can get here is 28.8k dial up and sattelite.
BUT I can\'t get sattelite because I am surrounding on all sides by huge trees. (I\'m talking big, from the top of our house which is 2 stories with an attic, a guy came and said he didn\'t think he\'d be able to make it work.)
The world is not a fair place.
And when you see the internet commercials that say \'available everywhere in the continental united states*\' pay close attention to the asterik at the end. ;)
Good news, though, I\'m moving! :O
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Cable access down here in San Diego, Calfornia, USA is rather expensive. Most of the people I know who have the service either....have the income to justify the expense or they work for the cable company and get it at a very discounted rate.
If a person has cable access and is sharing the cable with someone else OR has a second computer networked in, then the Cable Company wants a seperate account for each user. IF the company catches you sharing your cable with someone without paying extra, it is ILLEGAL and they will sue you. Here is an article about it:
Here are the rates for my area:
Digital Cable Internet:
http://www.cox.com/sandiego/highspeedinternet/pricing.asp
Combo Packages:
http://www.cox.com/sandiego/Coxcombo.asp
DLS Access:
http://www.buytelco.net/buytelcodsl.asp?gtse=goog&kw=San%20Diego%20DSL
Dolnor
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OMG I cant believe that all of you even used 3 pages on this topic its simple to answer watch.
56k will work on ps and as long as it doesnt affect us people on any kind of faster then dial up connection dont worry about it.
there you all go the technical terms dont matter if you want to create a topic to discuss the spec. of broadband narrowband and 56k then do that. keep things organized.
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Yeah I know :) We turn the simplest question into a big debate. It just shows what fanatics we are :D
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I can only get dail up where i live, and it workes ok for alot of online games (most of the time).
It would suck for alot of ppl if PS didnt support 56K .....
Plz suport 56K in any updates.
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Originally posted by Gronomist
You people have seriously misunderstood something.
You know, just to ruffle some features, I do vaguely recall this bandwidth discussion on IRC which Grono and myself were engaged in, but the only thing I can really agree with is the part of her statement which goes \"people have seriously misunderstood something\".
Broadband is about using multiple frequencies to send signals. A DSL line typically has a number of channels. One of them is assigned to voice (telephone), while the rest is divided among upstream and downstream so you get these multiple channels, hence the term \"broad\"+\"band\"...
But I think Wikipedia explains this better
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband
if we really want to be very nitpicky about this.
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Actuakky, Verizon has a new Fiber-Optic DSL line they are testing in Texas and Florida right now. The $40 package I believ, is 15down/5up. Thats a DL speed of 1875! Since it uses Fiber-Optic lines, it doesn\'t cost them anymore, except to put in the FO lines! Sadly, I have Bellsouth, and Verizon will probably never get here. I get a 3down/384 up for about $90. I will try to find a link for the Verizon stuff...
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SureWest (http://www.surewest.com)
Offers a 10/10 connection, only in Sacramento Area thoguh. :/
Verion 15mbps down (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1625014,00.asp?kc=ETRSS02129TX1K0000532)
5/2 is $40
15/2 is $50
30 has not been set with Up speed or price yet
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Originally posted by -Tsumeone-
The 100mbps DSL thing made me laugh :) Partly because I know that speed of DSL doesn\'t exist, and also partly because a 100mbps connection would be VERY expensive (24.95? nope.).
Where I live there are a lot of choices.
Netzero/Juno: 9.99/mo
AOL: 21.95/mo was it? Probably more now.
COX Cable: 34.95/mo
PacBell (SBC) DSL: 49.95/mo
Those are just some of them. As you can see, broadband is still at least 20$ more expensive than DSL/CABLE, which can make a large difference for some people. Also, here the prices are relatively cheap to other areas or countries. I have COX Cable, 3mbps. It works, and it\'s fast, and the only reason we have it instead of dialup is because I begged my dad for it and because it makes our Cable/Digital Phone/Internet package be from the same company, which gets us a discount ;)
Well, this is not true, VDSL can be run at speeds at 52/52Mbps or 100/1Mbps (if it\'s not more than 3-500m to your station), a connection like that costs about $60 were i live.
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Um, I have a correction to my cost. It\'s $90 for our ebtire phone bill, $44.95 for the DSL. I just realized I said $90 just for DSL...
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I would like to state that at this current time I am stuck with 56k
There are no other options in my area, I live in the true boonies....
and it sucks
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I\'m not suprised, you live in a state that has been hit by just about four consecutive hurricanes.
ahhh yup, just another reason why most internet games (including Planeshift) should be as friendly to the 56k user as possible.
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I don\'t think bandwidth would matter much...
What would matter a lot would be the server\'s response rate (ping time).
The smaller transfer required for each ping would mean more pings per second. More players per line. And smoother gameplay.
So there\'s already quite a lot of incentive to have a small packet (which in turn, good for 56k).
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Has anyone suggested compressing the packets?
although I could not tell you how it would work @ the mechanical level...
Random Thought: I really doubt making the combat system more interactive would increase packet size much if it isn\'t already...
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Well, compression is nice, but it will create more load for the server and client, which translate to high ping time, which in turn translate to no change in bandwidth.
Unless of course, the packets are compressed such that the time to process them in negligible.
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I know dialup is getting outdated, but support it. There is not very many games anymore that support it at all. If you would support it more 56 kers would play.
The things with people updating. They usually can\'t. Myself, I live off a main highway, and cannot recive DSL or Cable in my area. I\'ve been in a debate with Telus to bring the service out here, but with no luck, and only lies. Shaw, the local cable service says they will never bring it out here. The only solution is sat, and it sucks. The download speeds are good, but your upload sucks. Not sutible for gaming at all. Also the price is beyond anything. It would cost at least 1000 dollars canadian to install and about 100 a month. I\'d rather stick to dialup.
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i had sat for a while but i couldent play any games with it was so slow. Sure i could downloads music in like 30sec but other than downloads, it sucks.
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I wist I could get broadband, I am getting a sub-station in my area in a couple of months. Then I am getting 512 down, 128 up. Don\'t think 56k is uber slow, it can be fast depending what type of file you are downloading, just don\'t share it through the network like me, then it is uber slow.
.MAX - 10-15kbps (3D File)
.ZIP/JPG/ any type of compressed file - 1-6kbps
.HTML/HTM - 10 - 15 kbps
.EXE- 2 - 6 kbps
I wonder why HTML and MAX files are so fast... /me starts developing some conspiracy theory.
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ahh 56k isnt that bad, unless you want to actually do stuff :P
broadband isnt all its cracked up to be... sure i can download at and average of 750KBps(kilobytes) but my upload sucks balls... i think we can max it at 25KBps before our connection gets killed and we have to restart the modem :\\
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I have t3 internet and i can download stuff at 27mb per second or something that fast. I work a big company, and I work from home. To make sure my work will be dilivered as fast as possible, they supply me with t3 internet.
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ok i dont know what speed is the standard in australia.
we live in the bush running off of our cable tv line. it is like 60 australian dollars monthly and will download at around 1mbps is the most ive seen it go i think.
who knows what it is called ? t1, t2, t3 or just cable ?
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Originally posted by davo
ok i dont know what speed is the standard in australia.
we live in the bush running off of our cable tv line. it is like 60 australian dollars monthly and will download at around 1mbps is the most ive seen it go i think.
who knows what it is called ? t1, t2, t3 or just cable ?
Cable - Cable goes through your cable TV line. DSL goes through your phone line, so you don\'t need cable TV or a cable line.
T1/T2/T3 are satelite connections. While they download fast, most have extreme lag, which can make your connection rather unresponsive at times - much worse than 56k, infact.
All depends on the weather though. :D
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God knows how long this threads been inactive I did a search about only dling 208megs of CB when it said I needed 220 and I came across this thought I\'d be interesting. Anyway I thought I\'d throw my 2 cents in and say I cant get anything were I live. I\'m lucky to have up to a 42.6k bps now because of a new modem. Believe me after my dad got dsl down at his work he wont even deal with our dial up and I cry to think that I\'m no more than a half mile out of reach....so close but so damn far...come to me wire of goodness come