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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: DepthBlade on June 07, 2004, 05:18:33 am
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Potty Mouth gets Ultimate Soup in Mouth!
I just heard by a bunch of people well I was leaving the mall that some kid in grade 10 got dragged down to the teachers bathroom on friday and got a bar of soap shoved in his mouth for saying quote on quote \"Math is pointless, if you want to count something count my ball hairs well your busy....\" I am sure most will figure out what was meant to be said at the end!
Now...When I heard this I laughed my a$$ off because I hate math and when I had this teacher I hated her to! But maybe that wasn\'t how to express the hate for the two...since when do teachers got the right to drag a kid somewhere and shove soap in their mouth? (This lady is butch and probally could shove soap in 3/4 of the planeshift communities\'s mouth!) Most likely this kids mom will complain and something will happen to this teacher if indeed this information is all correct...but who the hell shoves soap in your mouth why not just beat them with a ruler stick like the good ole days!
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This bring back memories.... Like I have a cousin in the countriside who used to beat up the teachers he didn\'t like and make all kinds of sick jokes. One that I remember is that he filled the coushin of the chair with needles. The teacher couldn\'t sit down for a week.
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guess she should be a dentist :D
ok jokes aside
this is kinda touchy subject now. You see more and more parents spoiling thier kids until they become Worse then me (man thats bad). Infact a incident happened here in singapore round a month ago. This princpal used a book to hit a female student on the face for being really rude ( she insulted him useing some words) . So latter she complained and in the end he had to step down ...
and with mass media like movies and tv distorting realitly its no surprize really that kids are turning out this way
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I\'m a firm believer in corporal punishment, I spank my kids all the time, but if a teacher tried that with my kid, I\'d go to that school and beat the tar outta him/her/it. Then I\'d curse them out in front of the entire student body as well as the faculty. Nobody has the right to discipline my child but me.
Also, while this wasn\'t a good example of when you should curse, I\'ve told my wife that if either of my kids gets sent home due to cursing, my first questions would be \"did you have a good reason?\", and did he/she deserve to get cursed at?\" Under a lot of circumstances, it\'s an understandable way of expressing yourself. Kids curse, that\'s a given, but without good reason, I\'ll beat their tails for it.
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The problem isn\'t when teachers do these things and get sacked, the problem is when no one is willing to listen when they do these things.
Back in elementary school, we had this english teacher. She used to beat some kids, lift chairs and threaten the kids that she\'ll throw it at them, and once she even did it with a table (imagine a pretty heavy table hitting a 3rd grader... you get the point).
Now, before the kids come back home, she\'d call the kid\'s parents and cry to them on the phone about how he cussed her and punched her and stuff.
Then the kid comes home, get yelled by his parents, and they won\'t even listen to him when he tells them the truth!
Parents that were willing to listen to their kids telling about how she beats other kids up told the principle about it many times, but nothing was done.
When I was in 5th grade, some kids asked the principle what they have to do to get the teacher sacked. The principle said that if atleast 70% of the 5th graders sign a petition to fire that teacher, it\'ll be done.
We got everyone to sign it. Besides the maybe 10 that were sick or something. The principle just threw it to the garbage.
Two years after I graduated from that school she got fired. And that was only after the principle got fired, and the new principle was willing to listen.
At highschool, a certain teacher yelled at a student (during class) \"nazi\", because she heard him talking with his friends about how he\'s going to a neo-con protest. And to think this highschool was brandishing how liberal it is ever since it was formed :rolleyes:
Another teacher at highschool slapped a student because he didn\'t knock on the door when he opened it during a class.
Now, this may not be a teacher hitting a student or something, but it\'s still something.
I once sat with a friend of mine at the highschool library during break and we did homework. This teacher came together with a student of her to give the student some after-class tutoring or something.
Now, the library tables are big enough to have 4 people sitting around them comfortly, or 6 and it\'s still pretty comfortable.
The teacher came to us and demanded that we\'ll let them have the table.
I politely told her that she can either sit in the two available spots of the table, or go to the other table right next to it.
She then started yelling at me about how rude I am, etc, and asked for my name and grade. I gave her the details in a cocky manner, as I didn\'t think there was anything wrong with what I did. Nothing was done.
A year later I found out that she\'s the coordinator of a certain \'forced volunteering\' project thing (it\'s when highschool students volunteer because if they don\'t they can\'t graduate). I did more hours than I had to, and signed my superiors that I did a very good job.
Students that do alot of hours and a very good job get a scholarship, I didn\'t. Who could I complain to? No one.
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yes its not always the students fault i had my share of Insane teachers
i had this music teacher while i was in grade 4-6 Man she had the Biggest ass you ever saw ! and she wore tight fitting clothes ! Plus she punnished us like crazy it was worse than watching barney !
any ways i guess its just the stress they take ? they got lots of work. Usually they got to stay till late to finnish papers and theres the setting of exams, but they do get less work days as far as desk jobs are concernserd(sp)
and saint nuke thats just tough luck every 1 has their fair share
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I had a principle once who had one of those paddles with the holes in them, a whiffle bat I think. That drove me nuts cause when I was real young, like three or so, one of my babysitters decided to beat he with one so hard I had huge whelts and blisters all over my behind, back and legs. my mom threw that woman so hard out the front door she flew over our front porch. after my mom complained to the police all that really happened was she lost her licence (california, for those who don\'t know, has a law, anyone who takes care of small children for a living, has to be registered with the state)
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I believe in punishment to but at his age dragging him and putting soap in the mouth? Beat him with a ruler stick for god sakes!
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some times the usual methood dosent work you got to use \"inovative\" ways but so far all my teachers has got that back fireing on them ( other students duh ! i was a good boy back then )
then theres always words but that can get you in trouble to there was this teacher who joked (note Joked) to a kid born on apr 1st that the bigest joke his mum played on his dad was giving birth to him
latter she got sued .....
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Eh I had trouble with bad teachers up to the 7th grade...
That was the year when I learned how to fight back.
I had the worst teacher for spanish her name was Mrs. Chaite and she was not fit to deal with people. She would yell cuss throw things, you name it. No one liked her. Well I was humming one day cause I had a tune stuck in my head from the ride to school that morning and for some reason it really pissed her off. So later on when she was out of the class I told the rest of the class to humm at a really low pitch, the whole class.
I chose a low pitch because they are much harder to locate than a high pitch. So in the middle of class at a low pitch I start humming, (just a single low note) on cue the rest of the class also begins to hum. whenever she got too close to a particular person or group of people they would stop but the rest of the class would continue. When she walked away from them they would start again. This drove her nuts she eventually went ballistic and stormed into the principals office and demanded the principal talk to us. The principal asked us what we did to her and we all said we did nothing to her. This continued for about a week until the principal got tired of mrs chaite and had the office beep in to make sure we weren\'t humming. The speakers didn\'t really pick it up though so we continued. Word of what we were doing eventually got around and every one of her classes did this for the whole year. She eventually had a nervouse breakdown and quit. I\'ve never had a problem with bad teachers since cause now I know how to deal with them. Not always humming but you have to get the whole class in on it whatever you do.
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I would have beat you with a ruler stick Ineluke :D
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I would have beat you with a ruler stick Ineluke :D
Yeah but this woman was a real witch...
I am an orphan and she made some comments on that at one point that I\'d rather not get into. Suffice it to say that if she were dying in front of me and all I had to do to save her life would be to push a button I would not only not push the button I\'d dismantle the button so no one else could push it...
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Originally posted by snow_RAveN
some times the usual methood dosent work you got to use \"inovative\" ways but so far all my teachers has got that back fireing on them ( other students duh ! i was a good boy back then )
then theres always words but that can get you in trouble to there was this teacher who joked (note Joked) to a kid born on apr 1st that the bigest joke his mum played on his dad was giving birth to him
latter she got sued .....
I worry for the future of this country......
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Originally posted by Monketh
Originally posted by snow_RAveN
some times the usual methood dosent work you got to use \"inovative\" ways but so far all my teachers has got that back fireing on them ( other students duh ! i was a good boy back then )
then theres always words but that can get you in trouble to there was this teacher who joked (note Joked) to a kid born on apr 1st that the bigest joke his mum played on his dad was giving birth to him
latter she got sued .....
I worry for the future of this country......
The interenet isn\'t a country.
Anyway, I don\'t beleive in physical punishment, you can easily get the desired result without the use of violence, especially with small children (much harder when they reach the teens).
I\'ve encountered 2 pretty crazy teachers during my education, but none have resorted to violence (one yelled a lot, the other crazy in a fun way).
My parents never hit me, nor any of my siblings, and we all turned out pretty darn good.
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Rulzern, I\'m a believer in coporal punishment, supposing, of course, that it is carried out correctly. It\'s beneficial if done right. It\'s the same way with Nuclear Power, if you have it done right, it\'s good. But if it\'s done wrong it can be disastrous.
Obviously, it becomes outgrown as more effective punishments (less violent, like grounding) become availible.
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I might sound like a square saying this but people these days not just kids the modern world needs a bit of putting in place! Things were alot better before Dr. Phil and Oprah starting teaching people spankings and what not are bad THERE GOOD AND WE ALL NEED ONE!! Coral Punishment is good as well BEAT THEM WITH THE RULER STICK!!
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heh i\'ve never had and psycotic teachers i did how ever have a teacher i made crack in 2 mentally and she spent the whole summer hoilday seeing a psycologist then the following year avoided me to the point of darting around corners.
her problem was she was to soft but a very bad teacher...so basicly you chould say i befriended her then about 2/3rds into the year turned so evil on her there was once a big crises where half my gradel chouldsent go to there next class :P
ahh proud memories :)
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Any type of punishment doesn\'t necessarily gets it\'s goal.
Let\'s say your kid does something bad, and you beat him for that.
You think that later in life he won\'t do it because you beat him for it, but what if he grows and says \"peanut the system\", and does it because you beat him?
Same thing can happen in non-violent punishment.
Don\'t try to think logically here. Punishing might make him stop doing it, but it might make him a goth, or a hippy or something. But not punishing him might do the exact same thing, so, you can never be sure.
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Punishing a child instills the right and wrong values in them. A child learns mainly by doing something and observing your reaction to their action. A child is not as advanced and mature as you, so sometimes they will listen only to the tone of your voice, not the words themselves. So if you say calmly, \"That was bad, son.\" it might not get the message across as well as \"That is wrong! Do not do it again!\"
This mentality, however, has to change as the child grows into a teenager. They are now mature enough to listen to reason and logic, and have probably learnt to tune out of your shouting (I have). The thing to remember is to not be afraid of your child (i.e. \"I am scared that if I shout at him or spank him he will put me in an old people\'s home.\"). Your child might scream that he or she hates you at the time for rebuking them, but they will thank you for it later on in life (Indeed they will hate you for it if you do not instill the correct values).
One last thing. Children do not come with manuals, and even though each case is individual, sometimes it is good to ask advice from people who have raised children (your parents).
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Punishment sure, but not corporal.
And here, the teachers that threatened were considered funny(none would hurt a fly).
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Originally posted by SaintNuclear
Any type of punishment doesn\'t necessarily gets it\'s goal.
Let\'s say your kid does something bad, and you beat him for that.
You think that later in life he won\'t do it because you beat him for it, but what if he grows and says \"peanut the system\", and does it because you beat him?
Same thing can happen in non-violent punishment.
Don\'t try to think logically here. Punishing might make him stop doing it, but it might make him a goth, or a hippy or something. But not punishing him might do the exact same thing, so, you can never be sure.
Um so what? Do we just not punish anyone ever because they might grow to like it? That makes no sense.
When I was growing up I did get spankings from my father but only on a rare occasion. Spankings were reserved for the most serious of offences. Everything else was the corner with telephone books on my arms...
If they dropped another was added or I got another 5 minutes. I think when I have children I will use the same methods. Reserve the spanking for the most severe offences and the rest is restriction and telephone books.
Guess I\'d better start saving telephone books... :D
Oh and there is nothing wrong with being a goth or a hippy if thats what makes you or your child happy. No matter how you choose to dicipline that child you should love them for who they are and not get all bent out of shape cause they weren\'t just like you.
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Funny thing is although in this day and age it seems wrong for a teacher to punish with a ruler stick, soap but they have yet to change the law in our school its very much still there, most teachers wont use it because fear of parent up rising and reputation!
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Originally posted by Ineluke
Um so what? Do we just not punish anyone ever because they might grow to like it? That makes no sense.
Read what I posted again:
Originally posted by Me
Any type of punishment doesn\'t necessarily gets it\'s goal.
This is the key line here. I\'m saying that you shouldn\'t punish your child and expect him to grow diffrently because it might come out the exact opposite. Of course, not punishing will be bad too. Just don\'t be so naive and think that a slap with a ruler will solve everything and your child will come out exactly as you want him to.
Oh and there is nothing wrong with being a goth or a hippy if thats what makes you or your child happy. No matter how you choose to dicipline that child you should love them for who they are and not get all bent out of shape cause they weren\'t just like you.
Right, but I doubt any sane person would want his kid to be a suicidal goth that cuts his wrists every Monday, or some freakish hippy that goes to some weirdo commune, get a peanutload of STDs from orgies, and participate in a mass suicide just because the leader said so. No sane person would want his child to grow like that, whether it makes his child happy or not.
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No punishment system is perfect. I was punished in an almost abusive manner as a child and I turned out great. Good work ethic, respect for people and their value systems weather I agree or not, etc. But I would never treat my own kids that way.
A teacher, no matter what we all think, never has the right to physically punish another person?s kids. They can give them detention until the end of their life, but not physically punish them. There are other ways to do it. I?ve had my share of evil teachers in 5-9th, some of them I managed to get fired and, although they deserved it, I?m not at all proud of it.
This is just more proof that there are way to many parents who have NO idea what so ever how to discipline their children. ?Spare the rod, spoil the child.? is not talking about beating people with rakes, it?s a metaphor. If you can?t teach your kids respect and self-control/discipline than maybe, just maybe, they learned that behavior from you.
Teachers on the other hand need to suck it up and use their authority properly.
Kids will be kids but it is all about respect. More teachers should try to earn their students respect and not just expect it. I know that in the adult world we have a certain level of respect for peoples accomplishments but kids usually haven?t had to work their way through college while supporting a wife and kids. It changes the whole world. I think more teachers need to remember that most youth have NEVER had to deal with real responsibility. I also think that the more responsibility you give a youth (I.E. they pay the prices for their actions, right or wrong, and have ?chores?) the better they understand that they have no one to blame but themselves. In western culture we tend to blame everything on our mother, father, society?anyone but US. Damn it people its your own damn fault! I doubt strongly that the kids getting in so much trouble these days were abused or locked in cages until they were all grown up. News Flash: the world does not own you anything. I understand that there are other forms of abuse other than the physical ones, there is the mental arena as well ?among others- and there are all kinds of abuse there, but cant we teach our kids to take a little responsibility for their actions and respect people.
My rant.
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you have a very skewed view of goths and hippy\'s you know? I\'ve never met TRUE goth that cut themselves. only the one\'s that dress and act that way for attention. Gothism is about a view on life, not a way to dress or behave. the same is true for hippies, they have thier beliefs, the dress is just an extension of those beliefs.
goths believe that the world is shrouded in darkness, hence the black clothes, they don\'t want to kill themselves because of it, they just don\'t see a reason to try to make life better for themselves.
hippies believe that love can make the world a better place. not all of them beleive in joining in mass copulation.
remember, the ones that act badly are the ones who give a group a reputation. I\'ll be happy for my son if he decides that he wants to be a goth or hippy, but I\'ll warn him about the dangers of certain activities.
anyway, corporal punishment should be used firmly, and consistently, yet in moderation, you shouldn\'t spank for every breech of the rules, but for the same ones. you have to lay down the law early on, what can he do wrong to get himself spanked, and you have to stick with it, spanking him every time he breaks those rules. but you also have to talk to him about it, explain your reason. if my son hits another person, he gets spanked, every time, I tell him, \"that hurts _____, how do you like it when you get hurt?\". and he\'s learned for the most part not to hit people.
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Tyger, you know what I meant. And of course that the drastic ones give the reputation to groups, that\'s how we see things, we\'re humans.
Would you want any of your kids to grow up like the examples I gave (not the broader terms, the specific examples), even if it makes them happy?
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Originally posted by Ineluke
...corner with telephone books on my arms...
If they dropped another was added or I got another 5 minutes. I think when I have children I will use the same methods. Reserve the spanking for the most severe offences and the rest is restriction and telephone books.
Guess I\'d better start saving telephone books...
Your poor kids, that\'s not fair, as the population increases so do the size of telephone books, the ones you had probably weighed a lot less ;).
J/K
But this is all about punishment, why??? Shouldn\'t rewarding your children when they do something good be just as important? If you do nothing but punish your children for bad things then what about the good things? You need a balance of punishment and encouragement and rewards.
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Originally posted by SaintNuclear
Tyger, you know what I meant. And of course that the drastic ones give the reputation to groups, that\'s how we see things, we\'re humans.
Would you want any of your kids to grow up like the examples I gave (not the broader terms, the specific examples), even if it makes them happy?
Obviously if they are trying to commit suicide they are not happy...And all goths dont hate the world for some its just a style thing. They like the types of clothes that goths wear. And as far as orgies go... um If they like orgies then... :D
Your poor kids, that\'s not fair, as the population increases so do the size of telephone books, the ones you had probably weighed a lot less .
LOL yeah so I guess they will have to behave themselves.
But this is all about punishment, why??? Shouldn\'t rewarding your children when they do something good be just as important? If you do nothing but punish your children for bad things then what about the good things? You need a balance of punishment and encouragement and rewards.
/me nods his head in agreement.
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They like the types of clothes that goths wear
a person who wears it for the style isn\'t a goth, they are a wannabe. gothism is the philosophy, not the clothes. and I didn\'t say it\'s about hating the world, it\'s about looking at the darker side of life. a goth can have a perfectly good time, they just don\'t believe the world is all sunshine and roses, they tend to look more at the moonlight and lilies side of life. I\'ve known enough REAL goths to know the difference. a friend of mine named Chuck used to tell me I was a goth in redneck clothing because I used to believe some similar ideas.
[edit] I don\'t know why I put that up in bold instead of quotes...
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The way my parents handle me is this: They offer me advice, but let me make my own choices. Then, however, I will accept the concequences of my actions. Since this started off with minor things, I have developed a trust relationship with my parents where I can go to them for advice, because it is usually very sound, and take responsibility for my actions. I think it\'s important to give children advice but let them make their own choices from the beginning (implemeting this system when they become teens won\'t work). Kids need to learn how to make their own decisions while still seeking advice and taking responsibility for their actions.
Another thing to remember is that children experiment, and they will try to push you to see how far they can go. Do not let them walk over you, and make it clear that you are the parent and the one in charge. I remember I used to challenge my parents\' authority (which is very similar to what chimps do; young chimps are known to challenge adults, and sometimes have to be faced down and put in their place). It is the nature of children to want to be in control.
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I\'m a firm believer of corporal punishment. I for one don\'t think that kids can tell the difference between right or wrong and the only thing that they can really respond to is pain. I think it\'s important that before resorting to such things that whoever is punishing the kid should not do it out of fury.
Children in general have no idea about how things are like in the long-term, and are driven by short-term gain whenever opportunities arise, such as when they need to share stuff or just decide to misbehave. Sometimes it might be easy to lose control when punishing kids, but punishment should not turn into abuse. I think if one is level-headed enough things should turn out ok. In the case of soap shoved down the kid\'s mouth in this thread it\'s a clear-cut case of abuse.
Coming from the same country as Snow_Raven who touched on the book incident, I thought that the principal was wrong to have hit the girl with the soft-cover book, but don\'t think that he should have stepped down considering that the girl had a record of lying compulsively and being a real troublemaker on many other occasions. Similarly I don\'t think anybody in Singapore thought caning Michael Fay back in the \'90s was wrong but look what the Americans thought... Human rights abuses indeed :P
And to think he got away with fewer strokes than the Hong Kong kid who joined him in his exercise in car-painting. Somebody should tell them that our cars are 3x more expensive than anywhere else in the world and that whipping the guy was the only way to set an example for anybody else silly enough to try that kind of stunt.
The only punishment I am not quite comfortable with is capital punishment, but I guess that should be left to another discussion altogether.
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that story is pretty funny, sope in mouth, eeh teh nasty
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Sorry for reviving this thread but it came up on a search & I read the entire thing....
It is sort of funny with my mom, she would make me drink a little lemon juice & then wishtishire sauce, & that is why I love sour candy & spicy foods! but she had to keep changing it because I always acquired a taste for whatever it was.
(That\'s why I can eat an entire bar of soap today!) j/k
But actually my mom didn\'t have to discipline me much...
it was the 5 minute timeouts that killed me... watching the time on the timer it was like hours lol. of-course later we found out that I have ADD/ADHD so that is why I never could look ppl in the eyes for very long & it drove my adopted dad crazy when lecturing me. (He was bad & I haven\'t seen him in like 2 years now...)
Anyway, I was homeschooled most of my life so I didn\'t have any bad teachers, only public-schooled in K & 1st grade I think. I did go to private school for 2 years in 4th - 5th grade we only had 1 teacher & she was nice, however if you said \"well, ya but...\" she would interrupt you \"a \'yabut\' is a rabbit with no ears\" which was annoying @ best... there were only 5 students in my grade (4th & 5th years) so she actually taught grades 3 to 6 I think which is like 10-15 students... hmm.. got to get in contact with my best friend in K-1st grade, moved away like 6 years ago haven\'t heard from him since...