PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Peeeevs on July 03, 2004, 06:49:03 pm
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I havent been here in a while and someone might have said something already, But dose anybody know the rate what which crystals will be transfered into gold in the new version of PS?? hopefully 1:1 so i wont be going in extremly poor.. i only have about 1400 ..lol i think i need to start playing again...heh
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I hope it is 1:1... I tihnk i may have heard something about 10:1... dont know.
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10:1 jeeaasseeee ill be startin out poor then.. heh bah i have to go check that table on the relaitive cost of everything
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The highest rate possible. 100:1 if possible. So i won\'t be the only one poor :P
(hopes that 90 trias are a lot, since master Illyria owe me them :D)
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Pfft :{ Dont drag others more fortunate than you down in the conversion! :{!
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It\'s normal that everyone try to get the best he can. And when you can\'t improve your things, the best way to climb in the classement is to make others worse ;). but there\'s some ways if you don\'t want me to try to drag you back. :)
For example, giving me half your crystals could be one...
Just a suggestion... :D
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I\'ve heard that it will be at least 10:1, and most likely higher, that\'s if they do decide to convert at all. (Nothing is definate until it happens I have learnt.)
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I herd it was a fact that they were goin to have some kind of exchange... ill try to find the post
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Nothing is a fact as far as Planeshift is concerned...it also used to be said as a fact that nothing would be transferred over and everyone would start over til beta, which I think would have worked out better.
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Also, Crystals are being converted to Tria not gold.
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Originally posted by Peeeevs
hopefully 1:1 so i wont be going in extremly poor.. i only have about 1400
These things are relative, you know. If the conversion rate will be 100:1, you\'ll be as poor \\ rich as you will be if the conversion rate is 1:1. Why? Because you\'re not the only person in PS. Funny, huh?
You say you got 1400 crystals. I\'ll round it down to 1,000 to make it easier. Now let\'s say there\'s another player with 100,000, and another player with 100.
If the conversion rate is 1:1, you\'re poorer than the guy with the 100,000 crystals by 1%, and the guy with the 100 crystals is poorer than you by 10%.
Now, what happens if the exchange rate is 100:1?
You\'ll still be poorer by 1% from that guy, and the the second guy will still be poorer than you by 10%! True magic!
The crystals shouldn\'t be exchanged anyways. My guess is that when it was announced they won\'t be, all the oldbies that wasted weeks and months on crystal hunting, and all the cheaters that wasted two days but got to the top of the charts started complaining (and maybe making threats that they\'ll leave). After a while the devs got annoyed from all this complaining and decided that the crystals will be converted.
I might be wrong, it could be that the devs woke up one morning and thought \"Hey, why not let them have some trias? Afterall, they haven\'t complained about the crystals not being converted!\", but it\'s more likely that the former happened.
Now, a good reason to convert the crystals to trias would be to give a treat to the dedicated players. Since you\'re probebly not one of them, you should say thanks for every tria you\'ll get when CB is released.
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\"Dedicated\" does not necessarily mean \"Hunting\".
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Originally posted by Monketh
\"Dedicated\" does not necessarily mean \"Hunting\".
I didn\'t say it does.
But still, excluding cheaters, players that have hundreds of thousands of crystals invested alot of time into PS. And crystal hunting is helping a bit in hunting bugs too (bugs of picking objects), even though the chance to bump into a picking objects bug that wasn\'t reported countless of times is pretty low, and some probebly won\'t bother reporting new ones.
You are right, however, that just hunting crystals all day and all night isn\'t true dedication, even if you did it for months.
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It was actually said a while before the crystal hunt (aka Molecular Blue) that nothing would go on to the next release...so really, people had no basis to complain at all...though that\'s never stopped anyone has it? :)
Ah, I thought I\'d finished discussing this at Kada\'s...but I can never help myself :P
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ok, this is given the fact that the Broadsword is a good steel sword.
the broadsword is worth 1500 rupies, or (taking into account the given) 350 tria.
that is a 150:35 exhange rate
150:35 = 30:7
so the exchange rate is about 30 crystals to 7 tria.
or if you say the Galkard is a good steel sword, then the rate would be about 200:7 or 200 crystals to 7 tria.
so it is gunna be somewhere in the range of 30:7 - 200:7. Depending on what a \"good steel sword\" is.
NOTE, these are only my estimates, and going off of guesses based on what was given to me. I\'m sure the Devs will choose what rate they please, it might even be 1:1!
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These things are relative, you know. If the conversion rate will be 100:1, you\'ll be as poor \\ rich as you will be if the conversion rate is 1:1. Why? Because you\'re not the only person in PS. Funny, huh?
You say you got 1400 crystals. I\'ll round it down to 1,000 to make it easier. Now let\'s say there\'s another player with 100,000, and another player with 100.
If the conversion rate is 1:1, you\'re poorer than the guy with the 100,000 crystals by 1%, and the guy with the 100 crystals is poorer than you by 10%.
Now, what happens if the exchange rate is 100:1?
You\'ll still be poorer by 1% from that guy, and the the second guy will still be poorer than you by 10%! True magic!
The crystals shouldn\'t be exchanged anyways. My guess is that when it was announced they won\'t be, all the oldbies that wasted weeks and months on crystal hunting, and all the cheaters that wasted two days but got to the top of the charts started complaining (and maybe making threats that they\'ll leave). After a while the devs got annoyed from all this complaining and decided that the crystals will be converted.
I might be wrong, it could be that the devs woke up one morning and thought \"Hey, why not let them have some trias? Afterall, they haven\'t complained about the crystals not being converted!\", but it\'s more likely that the former happened.
Now, a good reason to convert the crystals to trias would be to give a treat to the dedicated players. Since you\'re probebly not one of them, you should say thanks for every tria you\'ll get when CB is released.
I could give a hell less aboout how much money someone richer than me had... Im talking about having money to be able to buy something.. if the exchange rate was 1:1 i would be able to buy something with about 1000 tria.. now if it was like 100:1 i would only have 10 tria...now tell me what u would rather have.. 1000 or 10?? i could give a hell less if someone has a million tria i just want to have money enought to do what i want/ need to do. As for the comment about im probaly not a dedicated player.. you could mean many different thigns that go along the lines of that..im not in the game 24/7 i dont post on the boards every day and i dont like thing about the game all day. But i would be willing to bet all my crystals that ive played b4 you and i am one of the oldest players still here. I believe my Player id is about 1457... yeah i think i have some sort of dedication there seeing as how ive played every version and ben here for a few years.. and i doubt you have.....so stop beeing a dick -_-
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Originally posted by Peeeevs
Im talking about having money to be able to buy something.. if the exchange rate was 1:1 i would be able to buy something with about 1000 tria..
If you want to buy something that costs 1000 tria, why not work for it?
If you\'ll be able to buy expensive stuff in CB right when it comes out, what\'s the point of playing it? (besides RPing, but you can do that in MB too)
But i would be willing to bet all my crystals that ive played b4 you and i am one of the oldest players still here. I believe my Player id is about 1457... yeah i think i have some sort of dedication there seeing as how ive played every version and ben here for a few years.. and i doubt you have
You call that dedication? Being one of the oldest players doesn\'t make you a dedicated player. Poking your head every now and then doesn\'t make you a dedicated player either.
So you came, played in AB, left, came back for MB, left, and now you\'re here again. That\'s not dedicated.
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I never said i was dedicated... did i? I do however find it hard to be dedicated to somethign that dose not have that much playability... Not that im saying anything about the game, it has brought me hours i fun i would say.. but theres not realy that much to it except talking and hunting.. and after a few hours of huhnting the repition gets kind of stale.... So i started to play uo.. checking back evey day wateing for updates and finally saw one so i came back.. but i dont see the logic in playing the game faythfully when theres nouthing to do... dont get me wrong i love ps and ive stayed with it for a long time because i know its going to be a good game... Anyway aside form that.. but might i ask.. why do you care if i am a dedicated player? what dose it matter to you how long i play the game?
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\"checking in\" on a game is not dedication...how does that help anyone besides yourself, especially since Planeshift happens to be free?
And SaintNuclear was making the point that it doesn\'t really matter how much is transferred over, the fact is you will get at least some money when you should not, nor should anyone else so there is no reason to want more for something you wouldn\'t be getting if the developers had not decided to be nice and waste time working on this.
I think this thread has worn itself out.
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\"checking in\" on a game is not dedication
lol i never said i was dedicated i was mearly defending myself from the comment that he made..lol but yeah im not the one who started all of this...
Long live Planeshift
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What will happened if when the character creation I choose very rich ?? Will I get my money after the conversion ?? Or did I just lose some point that I could use for other skill ???
Thank
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@Alfx: It doesnt matter what you put for this charecter. when you make a CB charecter if you select that then you get it.
@Peeevs and Saint Nuclear: Can we discuss what this thread was meant to be about not whether or not Peeevs is dedicated or whether or not Saint Nuclear is a dick
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I don\'t know much about the conversion rates... I\'m just ready to see and play the new release!
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http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/planeshift/planeshift/www/serverconsole/migration/index.html?content-type=text%2Fplain&rev=1.2
The migration script that will be used.
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Originally posted by gogg
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/planeshift/planeshift/www/serverconsole/migration/index.html?content-type=text%2Fplain&rev=1.2
The migration script that will be used.
KOOL!! Nice to see something is already set up, even if its not active yet.
I, for one would be really bummed if there was not at least some conversion. (read my sig ;) ) Had there been a hard, fast rule about no conversion, I wouldn\'t have spent all those hours crystal hunting. As for saying I should work for tria like everyone else, one could say I already have...in MB. :D
I don\'t care what the conversion is...as long as the amount of crystals you have can buy something of roughly equivalent value in CB. If 10,000 rubies buys you powerful sword in MB, and the conversion into tria is say 100:1 and that meant all you could buy in CB with that amount is a lousy knife, that would suck!
I\'m sure those concerned have lots of crystals at stake and those that are not don\'t. That\'s the way it goes..
By the way, is there a group name we are calling the CB currency? Calling it tria seems a bit confusing since tria is one of the items. For instance, in MB, rubies, emeralds, and diamonds are all types of \"crystals\". So is there an equivalent term for trias, hexas, octas, and circles in CB? We should just call them \"coins\", maybe?? (I have little imagination) ;)
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Originally posted by gogg
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/planeshift/planeshift/www/serverconsole/migration/index.html?content-type=text%2Fplain&rev=1.2
The migration script that will be used.
Ah.....there should be something said for posting this before the team decides to...some poor unsuspecting newbie might think to do it now.....I mean, they didn\'t tell us to use it yet....
Someone should really kick your ass for trying to screw people out of their crystals. Play the game. Don\'t cheat... you loser.
Um, he\'s not lying, that is the script, I did some back-tracking, I just dont think it should be posted until the devs decide to do so....
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I love drama, it\'s to bad anyone has complete access to the entire code for the crystal blue release.
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Heh, that would be a very smart way to get crystals tho...not that I condone it or anything ;)
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it\'s to bad anyone has complete access to the entire code for the crystal blue release.
Is that why all of a sudden, I see some previously unavailable races on the players\' race list?
http://planeshift.fragnetics.com/players.php (http://planeshift.fragnetics.com/players.php)
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I have very few crystals, I don\'t think it would be entirely fair for a conversion rate at all. However... I do feel that those hunters deserve something for their trouble, maybe they should all get a mug. That would be nice right? Heh. each person with over 10,000 rubies gets a mug, that\'s what I\'d do. This is for all purposes a new game, therefore there should be no carry over of wealth, if people hunted for crystals, because the enjoy the game, good on them. If they did it solely to gain tria in conversion, then that isn\'t exactly the same as enjoying a game, is it?
Conversion or not, it\'s the Devs\' choice. Not mine. Either way, I look forward to adventuring in CB. Be it as pauper or prince.
I for one still like my mug idea
[edit] In fact I\'ll most likely create a whole new character, I don\'t really like my Dermorian. I would like to test the other races, and find a favourite, therefore conversion would be impossible for me. I truly hunted for fun. I only recently heard that it would be converted.
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You are wrong Adeli, maybe you haven\'t well understood that Planeshift is and will always be a work in progress just because it\'s an open source project. This means that every new release will be a new \'world\', a new \'game\'. In the next release maybe there won\'t be everything what it has to be. Maybe, for example, it won\'t be possible to create an Alchemist/Azure way user Diaboli because neither the alchemy nor the Azure way will be implemented. So what will happen when they see the light? All will be erased and we will start again from the beginning? I don\'t think so. So it\'s fair to change all the crystals that one has hardly collected into trias, octas, etc...
Nicola
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Omissis, you make I good point.
I concede that I was wrong.
Still, for me, conversion or not, I\'ll be content with CB
I guess I need the perspective of a rich player, like Kada or BKZeph... something..
thankyou for correcting me.
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ah! i owe Nostakhan 50 tria!!!!!!! but what if its MUCH easyer to find mny (monster drops)
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Originally posted by Mordaan
it\'s to bad anyone has complete access to the entire code for the crystal blue release.
Is that why all of a sudden, I see some previously unavailable races on the players\' race list?
http://planeshift.fragnetics.com/players.php (http://planeshift.fragnetics.com/players.php)
Naw, our Lady Gronomist was just having a playful day. :]
--> lookie <-- (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=9123&boardid=13)
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Actually the migration script is at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/planeshift/planeshift/www/serverconsole/migration/viewmigration.php?rev=1.1
And the conversion rate is left at 1 to 1 at the moment (probably intentionally). Rubies go to Trias. Emeralds go to Hexas. Diamonds go to Octas.
I hope that in the future, characters should be preserved better. When development picks up, we will be seeing more releases and it would be a pain to have to go through this all the time (losing weapons and items too, especially after the game is playable and fun). Luckily, they have created an updater that should do the trick for content updates, but that still cannot help upgrade to new versions.
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The script isn\'t fair: 1 diamond is worth 100 ruby\'s, but an octa is only 50 tria\'s!
So everyone that has lots of diamonds (not me): change them to emmy\'s.
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I really don\'t care about transferring my crystals. I feel a new version needs a fresh start. Yet I think it is good to give the people that want it an option to transfer their items. Now I think you should all be happy that the devs are going to let you transfer your items at any rate.
The fact that the script is already made may suggest that the devs are getting ready for CB and maybe the new release really isn\'t that far off.
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Originally posted by Taldor
The script isn\'t fair: 1 diamond is worth 100 ruby\'s, but an octa is only 50 tria\'s!
So everyone that has lots of diamonds (not me): change them to emmy\'s.
That script is not final yet. The conversion rate hasn\'t been decided yet.
Greetings,
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Hi,
it\'s to bad anyone has complete access to the entire code for the crystal blue release.
as many of you already understood, we place in public CVS only the source code needed to have PS running, so other people may contribute to it.
No rules, dialogues, NPCs, quests are placed in CVS. This is to avoid ruining the game experience.
\"Rules\" include a lot of things, like spells, combat rules, magic rules, item stats, and migration convertion of crystals from MB to CB. Every rule you see in CVS is a placeholder to have the game run, not the one we will use in CB.
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Are you guys still goin on about this or has the thread been hijacked ??? Oh well... either way ill be poor when i start out, because im startin a new game when everything is implemented in the CB release *thinks about CB, drools*
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Is that why all of a sudden, I see some previously unavailable races on the players\' race list?
http://planeshift.fragnetics.com/players.php (http://planeshift.fragnetics.com/players.php)
Naw, our Lady Gronomist was just having a playful day. :]
--> lookie <-- (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=9123&boardid=13)
Ah, ok I missed that thread. Thank you for clearing that one up. :)