PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: ajdaha on July 14, 2004, 08:59:59 pm
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PLANESHIFT- A universe is not enough
This is the title. Now we might as well start speculating what this means.
Planeshift. That sounds like a technical word to describe the apokalypse or somthing.
\"The Planeshift is causing masses to swarm the ....\"
Maybe this \"A universe is not enough\" is just to say that come play Planeshift, its not enough that you have one world (the real world).
I don\'t know, any more opinions?
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if you read the history you realize that every races not made by laanx and talad came from other planes
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One dimension has one universe. Two dimensions have two universes. I\'m sure that is very simple to understand. Now, as druke said, read the settings, and if you\'re in doubt, read it again. Now, read it a third time, just to make sure you understand what you read the two previous times. It\'s usually the most useful way to do things.
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Right, so your saying that in Planeshft, there are multiple universes. And that we shall be able to travel through them.
Because if that\'s the case then the slogan \"a universe is not enough\" would make more sence.
Ps: I heard somewhere that there shall be a place between death and life in Planeshift maybe that relates to this. Except I don\'t rememebr where i heard this. It might not have been about planeshift either.
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we\'re not even close to a full version of ps so it might be a while
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;( Plane shift. Plane travel. :rolleyes:
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But still. That\'s what you guys are saying right. That there shall be a way to travel between universes.
This actually is good, because i wouldn\'t wanna live in a stalagmite all my life anyway. :P
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You could class the Death Realm as a universe if you like to
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Death realm, I see.
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Well The stalgimate thing or what not is supposed to be super huge and because of the Azure sun it seems liek a real world anyways. I like it personnaly and it\'s a unique idea for a MMORPG. I think
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So unique, that i can\'t Role-play in it without making many errors.
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yeah a death universe and several other universes would be cool.
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its more than a universe
a different plane could have different rules, such as the things we take for granted in everyday life could change
i.e. mass doesn\'t generate gravity, but are rather under subjective reality
other rules might include arithmatic changes, such as 1+1=3
anything is possible when dealing with planes, the rulesof existance it\'s self are changed
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Very true but I think it should jsut stcik to no more then two universes in the long run. The regualr planeshift world and perhaps a realm of gods where everything is seen differently as in the god\'s point of view. Sort of like heaven and hell.
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heck no that would stink
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Well I dont think it would actually be heaven and hell. I was just using those as an example. I mean Talad and Laanx came form a world of gods. Prehaps the players could reach this worl and discover stuff. Mayeb this could lead to the end point of the game. (Which would take a long long long long time to reach and probably wouldnt exist till years form now.
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i see what your saying but, many people would agree that something like that is not a good idea in an mmorpg
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Yes, I would like to be able to travel to other worlds (which IMO is what the slogan refers to, especially as there already are some portals in the cavern system that go to other planes). The gods AFAIK are only meaningful in their \"home plane\" so I\'d expect different dieties (or none at all) in the other planes if i ever manage to get there. Heaven or hell would be too uncreative IMO and also it would mean that either you can\'t do anything there as everybody is just extremely powerful compared to you, or you\'d have about the same power which would make gods totally not worthwile. At least don\'t make it a regular place to visit.
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To Druke\'s earlier post
That isn\'t likely because all the races in planeshift are humanoid and are constructed similarly.
I don\'t think a person can move into another universe with different physical and chemical rules. I think if that were to happen, the person would blow up or implode or summin.
But for this game, if there are multiple univerces then i assume that they shall have very simmilar rules.
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What about the surface. Whats up there anyhow?
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Good question.
And what about the Lemurs? Supposedly they came from the center of the planet...
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Originally posted by Levski
Good question.
And what about the Lemurs? Supposedly they came from the center of the planet...
Almost correct:
Second Epoch: The Division\"
(...) To surprise and amaze him (Talad), she (Laanx) drew the incommensurable power of the azure crystal as much as she could and, in secret, mimicked the rituals of Vod?l to give life to some creatures reproduced in her image. The new people matured and reproduced, they were nice-looking and had a quiet behavior, like their creator, and they called themselves \"Lemurs\".
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Hehehe....
Lemur Description Page (http://www.planeshift.it/razlem.htm)
Psychology of Lemurs
Everyone knows that the Lemurs were the first of all races to settle in Yliakum, and they are proud of it. The legends tell that their origins of the Lemurs are connected to a huge city located in the depths of earth, abandoned from a widespread disease. No one knows how to reach this city or if anyone still lives there. All lemurs share a sense of loss for their mysterious, distant homeland.
I think we\'ve found a discrepency. 8)
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Facts about Lemurs:
1) The Lemur race made by Laanx with a spell granted to her by Vod?l.
2) Lemurs originally lived in Pradesha (big city outside of Yliakum - very old and exists only in legends).
3) Lemurs left the city because of a great disease, and some travelled until they reached Yliakum.
There\'s a big diffrence between \"where they came from\" and \"where they lived\". Very big.
As for what is on the surface... Fresh air and real sun, water, vegetation and lots of more mobs to kill, items to find, quests to solve and probably a bunch of interactive NPCs. However, why don\'t we just let the devs finish Yliakum before we start worrying about what\'s outside of it, hmm? :)
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hmmmm..... maybe i am simple minded but i always thought that \"PLANESHIFT- A universe is not enough \"
was refering to the fact that a universe is not enough that there should also be things like life forms as well as food and drink for them.... maybe even a whole range of material items not to mention some things for the mind and soul....
but hey, what do i know ???
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There might not be a surface per se. Or one just so boring that no-one would want to go there. Perhaps an endless wasteland. Running along it, you\'d get a pattern of Rock, Wind, Sand. Rock, Wind, Sand. Rock, Wind, Sand. Rock, Wind, Etc.
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Personally I think that Planeshift - The Universe Is Not Enough means simply that our universe is not enough. So they are providing us with the world of Planeshift so we have another universe to visit when ours isn\'t enough. Although I could be completely wrong...
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Planeshift shares the plane fascination with Planescape. That\'s how it started...
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Originally posted by Gronomist
Facts about Lemurs:
1) The Lemur race made by Laanx with a spell granted to her by Vod?l.
2) Lemurs originally lived in Pradesha (big city outside of Yliakum - very old and exists only in legends).
3) Lemurs left the city because of a great disease, and some travelled until they reached Yliakum.
There\'s a big diffrence between \"where they came from\" and \"where they lived\". Very big.
You sure about that? I mean, while the history doesn\'t explicitly state that the Lemurs were created _in_ Yliakum, it IMO impiles that, since the whole desire of Laanx and Talad was to have ppl. living in Yliakum as quick as possible, why would they create the new race that they wished to inhabit Yliakum in another place?
I would imagine that the legend of Pradesha really _is_ a legend that the Lemurs made up for not knowing better?
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I would imagine that the legend of Pradesha really _is_ a legend that the Lemurs made up for not knowing better?
I think you should consider reading the history of PlaneShift. You might learn something. :)
After many generations of the Lemur had passed, Laanx wandered into a cave that was hundreds of times bigger than the one he created, where beings without a name dwelt. At the top he spied a huge stalactite that occupied one third of the vault, and which produced a thin rain of clear water. It was the conic block of rock that held Yliakum.
At the middle of the cave, he saw a deep lake full of life, whose shores were a fertile soil. The Lemurs believed that their god had led them to a new home. Their praises and thanks to Laanx echoed in the cave and many sacrifices were made.
In that moment Laanx became aware of the presence of his followers, and he was stricken by their faith and ingenuity. His heart became a little softer, and he gave his people many powerful and useful things to brighten the cave and make the lake and its shores a place to live. The Lemurs multiplied rapidly, built the ten towns of Kadaikos, and they became a prosperous and numerous populations
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Talking about the setting... How\'s the world the stalactite is in is called?
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Originally posted by Gronomist
It was the conic block of rock that held Yliakum.
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Taldor, if you meant that as an answer to my post, you might want to check this:
Yliakum is an underground city. The inhabitants, a mixture of different races, also call it the \"City of the Azure Sun\", referring to the huge crystal that gives the city its light and supplies the land with life-giving energy. Yliakum is located thousands of meters under the surface inside a huge excavated stalactite, hanging inside a cave so huge that it could contain any kingdom of the surface.
I was asking about the name of the world, not the name of the city.
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The planet or the universe Saint?
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Planet.
The universe name could be nice to know too, but I was asking about the planet.
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Originally posted by Gronomist
I would imagine that the legend of Pradesha really _is_ a legend that the Lemurs made up for not knowing better?
I think you should consider reading the history of PlaneShift. You might learn something. :)
After many generations of the Lemur had passed, Laanx wandered into a cave that was hundreds of times bigger than the one he created, where beings without a name dwelt. At the top he spied a huge stalactite that occupied one third of the vault, and which produced a thin rain of clear water. It was the conic block of rock that held Yliakum.
At the middle of the cave, he saw a deep lake full of life, whose shores were a fertile soil. The Lemurs believed that their god had led them to a new home. Their praises and thanks to Laanx echoed in the cave and many sacrifices were made.
In that moment Laanx became aware of the presence of his followers, and he was stricken by their faith and ingenuity. His heart became a little softer, and he gave his people many powerful and useful things to brighten the cave and make the lake and its shores a place to live. The Lemurs multiplied rapidly, built the ten towns of Kadaikos, and they became a prosperous and numerous populations
Huh? How does this disprove my interpretation? (I did read it before) Even _if_ this city underneath the stalactite _were_ Pradesha, it would not be the origin of the lemurs, nor would it have fallen pray to some disease. I read it that the Lemurs, after having been created _in Yliakum_, split; some stayed (the ones we can play) and the others followed Laanx on it\'s journey through the labyrinth, eventually founding this city that you suggest is Pradesha. Why would the Lemurs of Yliakum claim it to be their origin if they can\'t even know about it? All they might know is that some of them left ages ago... Therefore, this legend can AFAICS only have been created by the Lemurs living in the city underneath the stalactite, and then it would refer to Yliakum!
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There is also a discrepancy with regards to the name \"Yliakum\" - in most usage, it\'s the entire \"land within the stalactite\" (with many cities, hydlaa for example) but elsewhere Yliakum is referred to as a city. I suspect that this is a typo, could we have some clarification on this?
Gronomist, I couldn\'t find any information linking Pradesha with the Lemurs (Lemuri?) Am I just missing something, or is this assumed, or is it based on other documents?
Thanks,
Daniel
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The planet might not really *have* a name, in the sense that we name planets. We, being surface dwellers, observe that we are on a rock floating through the universe, and give it the name \"Earth\" (in english, at least) since it is made up of.. well, Earth.
Based on that, I would see no reason for the inhabitants of Yliakum & elsewhere not to refer to the surrounding cave walls as \"the Earth\".
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Yes, but the gods would, I think.
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The ppl. in Yliakum would probably call it \"rock\", as that\'s what they see in most places. :) The gods, though... they didn\'t make it, either, AFAICS (at least neither Laanx nor Talad). I don\'t know. It wouldn\'t be pronouncable anyway, I think. :)
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Yes, Yliakum is not a city. This stuff was written VERY long ago. Most things before Planeshft 3D started(before 1998 id say).
Dunno, but i dout Pradesha is where Lemurs came from. Its said that Ahrijani(ancient sages and philosophers that have reached the perfect consciousness and control of mind, body and spirit) stil live there. So it could not be ruined.
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Originally posted by Crj
Dunno, but i dout Pradesha is where Lemurs came from. Its said that Ahrijani(ancient sages and philosophers that have reached the perfect consciousness and control of mind, body and spirit) stil live there. So it could not be ruined.
If they reached high control of their mind, body, and spirit they should be able to live in a ruined place with diseases and the like.
Mages and sages usually live in remote and hard-to-reach places. A ruined city with diseases sounds like a perfect place, especially if they\'re immune to the diseases.