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Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Harwen on July 16, 2004, 11:15:02 pm
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How will silly, unrealistic and offensive names be dealt with in PS?
Will there be an opportunity to have more than a single name? Last name and middle names?
Harwen K\'Harkarati for example. Or nicknames?
I\'m hoping that on character creation something will block names that have numbers in them, or that are all lowercase. Perhaps someone\'s name could be reported to discourage names that are offensive or just stupid. A warning could also be shown in the character creation.
Examples of unacceptable names,
KranKillaz, BillyBob, SquallLeonheart, CloudStrife, well you get the picture.
Something stricter would be to make names fantasy-like.
Perhaps adding a Random-Fantasy Name generator would be nice. Last names Could increase the Amount of people that can have the same name, which I don\'t think would be a problem, since that happens in real life anyways, though it might upset some people. Nicknames would have to be original though, or perhaps First names and Nick names...
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Harwen\'s right, something should be done about it. The random name generator is a good idea, but the problem with those kinds of things is the quantity of names availible. Even the best stand-alone name generator tools out there for pen-and-paper RPGs only have so many names that end up getting repeated after a while. How much more of a problem would this be for such a vast quantity of names.
I think possibly a better idea would be to create a blacklist of name that cant be used including the ones you listed and probably many more, along with strict rules about name creation (no numbers and limited special characters, etc). The black list would be long, but not nearly as long as the necessary table for random names. I think that would reduce the vast majority of problematic names.
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I merely added the random name generator as an addition to the blacklist and to solve people\'s problem with thinking of a name. Blacklists are good.
And a random name generator is only limited by the amount of letters avaliable. for Example
Rhondahn D\'Glyssth all those letters, many of them don\'t have to be cohesive. And you can tweak it by adding or removing a letter.
I want to stress the importance of first and last names, because Rhondahn D\'Glyssth would be hard to remember, and short and sweet names ( like Harwen :D ) are hard to come by and that leads to the names being repeated.
If both first and last names had to be original that would make your name super-original and the chance that it would be repeated is less.
Hmm, looking for stable ground on this subject...
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Serverside blacklist! This way, updates are easily possible, affect everybody automatically and the client can\'t be modded to allow what it usually doesn\'t. Of course, not a permanent connection, but only when you hit \"connect\", the server would say \"no, bad person, try again\". Furthermore, once a name has been classified as \"no good\", it could be added and the next time the appropriate person tries to connect the server would refuse to connect and the client would automatically prompt for a new name.
Surnames are good, and I said somewhere that I\'d like \"high-order nicknames\" like \"the dark\" which would not be selected by the player but given by others (but modded, of course, so RARE).
Conventional nicknames (like Seytra) wouldn\'t need to be unique, but would only show up after you told the person what it is (Hi, I\'m , but my friends call me \"Rew\"). This way, they wouldn\'t be universally known and therefore be pseudo-unique.
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2 words: name chageing.
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Originally posted by sesmi
2 words: name chageing.
2 words: um, what?
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Originally posted by Harwen
Originally posted by sesmi
2 words: name chageing.
2 words: um, what?
being able to change your name (sry if you can\'t undersand me i\'m 12)
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Originally posted by sesmi
Originally posted by Harwen
Originally posted by sesmi
2 words: name chageing.
2 words: um, what?
being able to change your name (sry if you can\'t undersand me i\'m 12)
Then how would anyone ever know what your name was then?
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1. CB will have First and Surnames.
2. GMs will be hot on the case of anyone with an unrealistic or otherwise offensive name and will ask, demand if necessary, that the player change his name.
There\'s a rumour that GMs themselves will be able to change players\' character names ingame, but it is unconfirmed.
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Good to hear!
But: if players will actually be able to change their names anytime, wouldn\'t this ask for abuse? I thought more of only allowing a name change in case of a blacklist hit or GM intervention... (performed serverside to avoid client hacks)
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Originally posted by Mogura
1. CB will have First and Surnames.
2. GMs will be hot on the case of anyone with an unrealistic or otherwise offensive name and will ask, demand if necessary, that the player change his name.
There\'s a rumour that GMs themselves will be able to change players\' character names ingame, but it is unconfirmed.
Woo-hoo! Make way for Harwen Harkarati :D !
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Originally posted by Mogura
There\'s a rumour that GMs themselves will be able to change players\' character names ingame, but it is unconfirmed.
Rumor? No no no Moogie. It\'s already implemented. :)
However, people wont be able to change their name, they will need a GM for that. This is to prevent people from changing back and forward to make people confused as to who they are, etc. etc. A GM will only change a name if it is not suited for PS, and will change Last names in case of marriage (both first and last names are required to be unique at creation, so you can\'t start off with being married to someone). Asking a GM to change your first name is a definite no. Simply wont happen. If a GM should not agree with your name being roleplaying style, you will be asked to think of a new one which the GM will then set, or the GM will use the implemented random name generator to make a name for you, whether you want it or not. It\'s a rule that is pretty easy to live with, and by downloading PlaneShift, you\'re agreeing to the rules made by the team so there\'s nothing to complain about there. :)
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Also, CB will have a random name generator- I\'m not an expert on names, but one of the devs came up with a pretty good system of phonems(the sounds that make up words, kinda like syllables, but smaller), and presumabley there is a way to make more gravelly names for kran, and so on.
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If I want a fantasy name I just bang my head on the keyboard and then play around with those letters for about 3 seconds and Ive just come up with a half decent fantasy name
I really hate those people called gandalf97 or ssjgoku8
A random name generator isnt that good if it isnt updated constantly, imagine how stupid it would be to use a random name generator only to find out that name has allready been taken
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Yea LilXGamer and names like aZnbOi69er are so ghetto on an MMO game. It kills the mood that the game tries to accomplish.
But I do believe that you should have generation titles like
Kuiper Seniasi III maybe?
or
Something Something II?
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Kuiper I would imagine you would only allowed to be a II, III, IV, V etc... if you were a decendant of the original owner of that name. Also a limit should be imposed so no Kuiper Seniasi MCMLVIII :P
-Zorium
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Heck lets Fight for our last names ! Think a 24 men/women Steel Cage Death Match ! The winner(a.k.a. last man/woman standing) gets the name !
:D :D J/k
Back on topic.
I agree that names like N00BZilla or flUffYBunnY will spoil the game. Warnings should be posted every where, tell the masses that this is a RP game and over the top nicks will not be allowed. And give an example list of names that are useable, so the 11-year-olds wont have an excuse.
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i agree to some extent with the number thing.. because of this l33t stuff (which i dont even understand) but with silly unrealistic names like mcdonalds or soemthing like that i think its up to the player to choose there name not you.. if it doesnt match the theme of ps it doesnt really matter its just a name.. and i really dont understand why or how it could effect so many people.. theres allready 3 topics about names and number.. and to be honest its all a bit silly..
the only thing i agree on is max length, max use of numbers.. and min use of letters in an alts name.
Many thanks,
Danny
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This is a MMORPG, and not some FPS ? la Counterstrike or hack n\' slash MMOG like Tibia. RPG stands for roleplaying game, and therefore names like Ronald McDonald/G. Bush/Cow96 isn\'t suitable for this genre.
A random generator is a good alternative, especially if you want to know what name-style a certain race like Kran, or Enkidukai follows. That way you can create a name based on the generated names to create your own unique name.
The generator could always be upgraded as well when people come up with decent names, and contributes these to the name-generator, and that way you will have lots of names to choose from.
The system looks very promising. Keep it up :)
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i like it but what if we had a guild name generater so that your last name would be your guilds name if required like for example if your guild was the darkstorm guild then the last name would change from
Red Bandit
to
red darkstorm
also prefixes for crtain classes like military classes could be added
red darstorm
to
commander red darkstorm
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Why not send in your name for aproval ?
You could get a bunch of players (Devoted ones) to moderate the names ?
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also prefixes for crtain classes like military classes could be added
They already show the rank of the guild you are in. I think thats enough. And I am glad to hear that there will be last names.
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Originally posted by Danny
i agree to some extent with the number thing.. because of this l33t stuff (which i dont even understand) but with silly unrealistic names like mcdonalds or soemthing like that i think its up to the player to choose there name not you.. if it doesnt match the theme of ps it doesnt really matter its just a name.. and i really dont understand why or how it could effect so many people.. theres allready 3 topics about names and number.. and to be honest its all a bit silly..
the only thing i agree on is max length, max use of numbers.. and min use of letters in an alts name.
Many thanks,
Danny
Danny, sorry to say, but that\'s weak. Of course its up to \"us\" oh wait, you didn\'t make the game so it could be populated by \"Spongebob69\" did you?
Either way, Jadd is 100% right. MMORPG, Role-Playing meaning that with something so small as a name you are ruining someone else\'s game. Its just childish to truly need a name like \"SkaterBoi99\". Scratch that, childish and stupid.
Why not send in your name for aproval ?
You could get a bunch of players (Devoted ones) to moderate the names ?
I\'d do it, I\'d love to do it. :D In fact, I\'d give reasons or suggestions to every name that I would find unacceptable.
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Im sure people would be willing to do that, but once the game starts to be big and we have hundreds of new players each day...that might become difficult. Not to mention that you would have to wait for a reply confirming your name before you could actually play the game.
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AND most importantly, there _will_ be abuse! If you let arbitrary players mod names of ohers, ther will be problems:
- I don\'t like you, you don\'t get that name!
- I\'m in a bad mood today, no name for you!
- I hate that name, don\'t know why!
- I have a power trip, so nope, you need to _beg_ me first!
- I happen to know some ancient, almost unknown tale from my home country (little northeast Grandstan) in which a char has a name very similar to your proposed one, no name for you!
As can be seen everywhere, like in IRC chans. Furthermore, the names decided upon would then not be decided by the community, but by individualy. Has problems.
Also, even in small groups like forum mods you still get numerous complaints on biasedness or arbitrariness, what will be going on if we had hundreds of name-mods?
So I think the random generator would be good (if it would not select from name lists but really generate names, using phonems. So at least you have a start that will have the ppl. who want a quick start happy. Ppl. with a concrete Idea can check this against the generator. This will reduce the silly names to the ppl. who _want_ to offend, and these will show up and then be caught easily, reported and have a good name assigned. The case of someone accidentialyl choosing a stupid name (maybe because they _really_ don\'t know gandalf...) there will surely be an informative comment sent by the mod who will change the name, wouldn\'t there? If you approach ppl. with reason instead of brute force, chances are they\'ll agree instead of feel oppressed.
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The random name generator in CB is capable of producing (according to acraig) an infinite number of names, so you people have nothing to worry about just yet. Nothing at all. When the number of characters reaches 2 million, then you can start worrying if there are enough names. Until then, lay down and take a rest. As for the name squad, we have the GMs in CB already. They will take care of people with bad names.
And I will say again, numbers are not usable in names, nor are characters like $?@?{[]}|`?=)(/&%?#\"!?+\'*?^~ and whatever you might be able to write with your ASCII knowledge, so those wont exist either.
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i would like strickter char name creation buyt i use one of 2 names in evry game i play ( what if it doesnt accept killerv or flyingv )
what if like once a month there is a post here with the all the names of the currents players and the ppl mod and higher could go and discuss if they find any unacceptable and make the player change their name (not lose their char but just change name)
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FESFES, you might want to change to your creative side for a moment. Killerv isn\'t exactly a fantasy name, it\'s rather a nickname from a bad sci-fi movie (that is my honest oppinion - sorry if it hurts you, but it\'s true). When creating your character, think more along the lines of a \"name\". Imagine yourself in the situation where you and your wife have just got a baby and you have to name it. Be creative, think of your character as a living person, not just some flat, pixelthing on your sreen. After all, it is your little baby, you have to name it, protect it, and make sure it doesn\'t die. :)
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Originally posted by Gronomist
FESFES, you might want to change to your creative side for a moment. Killerv isn\'t exactly a fantasy name, it\'s rather a nickname from a bad sci-fi movie (that is my honest oppinion - sorry if it hurts you, but it\'s true). When creating your character, think more along the lines of a \"name\". Imagine yourself in the situation where you and your wife have just got a baby and you have to name it. Be creative, think of your character as a living person, not just some flat, pixelthing on your sreen. After all, it is your little baby, you have to name it, protect it, and make sure it doesn\'t die. :)
Full ACK!
How can one even _think_ about RP if something so essential and also basic as a NAME isn\'t even made to fit the setting? Or would you name your baby \"killerv\"?!?!? It would IMO not even do for some MechWarrior game...
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You could get a bunch of players (Devoted ones) to moderate the names ?
I would be willing to do this, im on the net more then enough so i have plenty of time on my hands.
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Gronomist and Seytra make this a happy post :D
Great way to look at it Gronomist, I just don\'t see why all of us can\'t think that way :(
- I don\'t like you, you don\'t get that name! ....
Well, I\'m sure there are people(cough) who are fair (cough), and that the Dev\'s could trust (cough). I mean, you could say that about GM\'s as well...
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Originally posted by Harwen
Great way to look at it Gronomist, I just don\'t see why all of us can\'t think that way :(
That would be because most of us have no clue what a RPG is all about. And do we care? No. We just play the game because we\'re bored and need something to do, so we all grow fat from McDonalds food and lazy from just clicking our mice. We come to the point in our lives where we think RPG is point and click with no active thinking, and we find games which have these features repulsive, so we create a character named \"FALFDAFKDJFSDfjsdfsdfj123123123\" and say \"Hahahahunubs omfg j00000 lolololololmaolmaolmao jajajajajajaj\", and so if people are required to think already when they\'re making their character, we\'re eliminating the worst part of an MMORPG... Or maybe not... But we\'re allowed to dream, aren\'t we? :)
Full ACK!
How can one even _think_ about RP if something so essential and also basic as a NAME isn\'t even made to fit the setting? Or would you name your baby \"killerv\"?!?!? It would IMO not even do for some MechWarrior game...
That\'s exactly what I said, yes. :)
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Originally posted by Gronomist
That would be because most of us have no clue what a RPG is all about. And do we care? No. We just play the game because we\'re bored and need something to do, so we all grow fat from McDonalds food and lazy from just clicking our mice. We come to the point in our lives where we think RPG is point and click with no active thinking, and we find games which have these features repulsive, so we create a character named \"FALFDAFKDJFSDfjsdfsdfj123123123\" and say \"Hahahahunubs omfg j00000 lolololololmaolmaolmao jajajajajajaj\",
Hahaha, speak for yourself ;)
But really, some people just have to learn to not be ridiculous when coming up with this stuff. And people have to realize that PS is special, its not something like EQ or Runecrap, or Tibia, or FF11, where nobody could give a rat\'s defication hole to what you put your name as. The biggest problem would be that very notion of moderating the names.
I would personally like to be a name police man and report them in as I saw them. :) Yeah, that\'d make me feel all protective. The GM could keep me from being all spastic and impusive I guess.....
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So what will we need?
1) an easily accessible way for reporting: like a (rightclick on other char) menu with an option \"report this name\" :)
2) a marker that says \"already reported\" in that menu instead after it was reported
3) a way of making sure this system isn\'t abused, possibly by logging who reported the name, i.e., if the report is unjustified, it\'s easy to haunt the reporter. Also a restriction of when one can start reporting, like after a month of playtime...
For the record: I\'m _not_ into nit-picking and reporting anything that might be against any silly rule, BUT I\'m all for strictly enforcing the important rules, and naming _is_ important as we (well most of us :) ) agree.
So I\'ll be reporting names but not (for example) the occasional OOC in the IC world, obviously. Balance and common sense is what I try to let guide me. Doesn\'t always work, but better than not even trying.
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What?! I can\'t name myself G???????!
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Originally posted by Gronomist
FESFES, you might want to change to your creative side for a moment. Killerv isn\'t exactly a fantasy name, it\'s rather a nickname from a bad sci-fi movie (that is my honest oppinion - sorry if it hurts you, but it\'s true). When creating your character, think more along the lines of a \"name\". Imagine yourself in the situation where you and your wife have just got a baby and you have to name it. Be creative, think of your character as a living person, not just some flat, pixelthing on your sreen. After all, it is your little baby, you have to name it, protect it, and make sure it doesn\'t die. :)
Originally posted by Seytra
Full ACK!
How can one even _think_ about RP if something so essential and also basic as a NAME isn\'t even made to fit the setting? Or would you name your baby \"killerv\"?!?!? It would IMO not even do for some MechWarrior game...
No i plan on naming my first child Seytra and my second Gronomist.........my 4th will be FlyingV my 5th will be KillerV....my 472096529229th will be G???????!
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Where did your third go?
personaly i think players should be able to call their.. and i stress their ... alt what they want.. it doesnt reck anything because as most of you know the name wont be on show any way.. so i really dont see what the fuss is about?? ?(
Many thanks,
Danny :))
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No i plan on naming my first child Seytra and my second Gronomist
Sure, go ahead and name your characters that, however don\'t cry if you get permanently banned for impersonation of a very important person - me - and... yeah... Whatever that other person was called.
(That was a joke of course, Seytra) :)
personaly i think players should be able to call their.. and i stress their ... alt what they want.. it doesnt reck anything because as most of you know the name wont be on show any way.. so i really dont see what the fuss is about??
The fuss is about this being a RPG. If people can\'t make RPG names, they ruin the RPG mood, thus turning it into something diffrent than an RPG. A character\'s name isn\'t \"just\" a name, it\'s the essense of who you are. You can be a great hunter or a well known merchant, but your name is still what represents you, and what would make you look more stupid than being called \"DangerJoe\" standing with a pickaxe and ragged clothes? It\'s stupidity we don\'t want in this game, and stupidity through names is one thing we can get rid of. If people can\'t think of a proper name, how on earth are they supposed to deal with quests? Tell me that. :)
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Black rose, chill man. And i appriciate if u didnt call the people who want to stamp out names that do not fit into the game name nazis.
its not supposed to be realistic its supposed to be a fantasy
So your saying people can call themselves \'UB3R-R0B0T\' how does that fit into the fantasy bit?
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Yeah, I\'m a name-nazi! I like that! I\'m totally against free will, yeah! That\'s what I\'m trying to get accross :)
I\'ll go and create the guild, then, as it\'s public now anyway ;)
I think we have a case of a troll here! Actually, two of them... (FESFES and black_rose) :)
Back on topic: @Danny:
While it of course _is_ _their_ alt, it _also_ affects other ppl. in the game. It should be clear by now why in a fantasy setting names like 1337killah are simply not appropriate.
Imagine that your countries\'s leader was called like that, or if you prefer, one of your teachers or whoever. I couldn\'t take them seriously, and I\'d have an extremely hard time saying
\"Greetings, mylord 1337killah, I must report that the enemy spy has been caught and is now being questioned by the high inquisitor\".
You can see how the silliness ruins the whole sentence that otherwise perfectly fits the setting. After all, your name isn\'t just what you refer to and see, others will have to deal with it, too. Not choosing one that fits shows that you lack respect for the other players and for the game as a whole. THE NAME IS PART OF THE GAME!
In a program, you can refer to any variable aw whatever you want, but try to explain to your employer or any other programmer why you called the variable \"53x60d\"...
Yuo can also refer to yourself as \"My Uber1337ness\", but I don\'t think you\'ll make it far with that. Why should this game be different?
Basically, it\'s the same reason why you can\'t run through a city shouting \"I\'m 1337killah!\": public annoyance. So there, imagine everybody doing this and you\'ll see why it must be prohibited.
It\'s a GAME, so EVERYBODY (not just you) should have fun. Therefore, you can\'t do as you like, you need to abide by some rules. Is it really this important for you to have such a name? Don\'t you care about others having the right to have fun as much as you do? Once you are not alone somewhere, you can\'t do what you want anymore at least not completely, because otherwise you\'d take the other ppls. freedoms away. This is why you can\'t go and kill anybody who annoys you. It\'s also why you can\'t steal. (well, you _can_, but you\'ll be punished).
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Well, well, well....
@ Danny @ Everything that he\'s ever said:
Again, sorry to say, that you\'re point is very weak. You\'re just repeating yourself without really giving much of a point across.
Its just childish not to see that someone else has a valid point. I understand that you might be one of those \"taking the 1st amendment too-far\" type of people, but all and all, its not really anything that belongs to you. Since PS is free, it belongs to everyone, so rules that are fair for everyone shoud be a priority. Like the whole day/night thing....it needs to be fair. You\'re basically telling us that you don\'t think that it should be Night because you\'re scared of the dark.
Perhaps you should play a real RPG and maybe you\'ll \"Get what all the fuss is about\" or maybe you should just read.
@ black_rose: Well, its really what Danny is (failing) to get through to us. It does ruin the RP\'ing experience. No, its not a real world, its a game, but then you should go tell that to the RP people, (can you say flame? ;) ) they\'ll tell you the same thing. Its a game, where you pretend to be a real person. I.E. Role Playing.
Continuing to say \"Its just a game\" that its \"not a real world, its a fantasy world\" is just playing with semantics. Pure and simple. Real people aren\'t named 1337 5up3rm4n. Seriously.
But of course, I\'m sure my argument can be torn to shambles by a simple \"Bunch of Babies\" post, because that\'s not toally BS.
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@harwan,
i like the way that you have a mind that is capible of holding an arguement without being a jerk and without just plain repeating. that is a hard trait to find in someone. i have trouble sometimes frasing my words so they dont sound mean :) i add humor and stuff to make it sound a lil better but it is a fantasy but you are not alowed to fantasise in it for just a name. many people say \"well its for there own good\" but the people who make the numbers might have a personal meaning to it. like it might be the year someone in there family died or something like that. so you see names can be humorous everyone wants this game to be as real as possible but then if it is as real as possible you will get bored with it and also if it is as real as posible it will destroy the whole point of an \"altenate reality\" because you guys start with something small like names next you will try to change magic to archery and then all the monsters and races you might try to change to humans with different builds. there is no winning because people who set limits on names in video games. they set themselves up for failure
@seytra,
i did not get what you meant at all. other than me stripping others of rights. it wont make the game mutch less fun at all if there are people with numbers in there name. think of henry the 8th? or henry8 for short there was millions of great kings/queens/emporers/emresses/ect.ect. with numbers in there names. and most players dont call their in game friends by their first name mostly by a fragment 1337killah would be called killah instead. think of it that way
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Hahah... ah man, after watching this thread for quite some time, I don\'t think I can keep quiet anymore... Black_rose, I don\'t think you -quite- understand what others are trying to say. I don\'t think \"fantasy MMORPG\" registers with you. How does the name \"killah\" fit into a fantasy setting? Have you ever read a good fantasy novel where the main character had the name of \"killah,\" or \"l337killah,\" or some other such nonsense? You\'re right, it -is- just a game, but it has a specific setting and specific rules. Calm down a little bit as well. Getting aggravated and giving into anger will in no way bring you respect.
You also seem to think that the people and devs will take away all the \"fantasy\" elements, such as magic and monsters. But in fact, -you- would be taking away the fantasy if you allowed unreal names.
Your character is supposed to have a history, a personal story. Please explain to me how a character\'s mother named him or her \'killah,\" and how that fits into Planeshift\'s world. The fact is, it doesn\'t. There\'s no way it ever will :)
This is how this game works. If you don\'t like it, you are -always- free to go try something else. But your ideas truly have no foundation, I\'m sorry to say.
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who says it was the mother that named them that? well i started a book about a man (forget the name) that was highly wounded in battle but his body was signed up for genetic research and the tinkered and so he became a pyro, he was well known amoung soldiers as torch but that was not the reason, the reason was that he had killed off over 500 men with one flamethrower in an hour.
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Yeah...you people DO realize that you might get banned from the game to make room for other, better, roleplaying people if PS starts to get crowded? Just thought you might want to know... :D don\'t do drugs.
Oh I want to be a gm in CB; Shadow Khan becomes: THE KHAN :P
hmm, yeah keep power away from me would be the best idea :)
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Originally posted by Black_rose
who says it was the mother that named them that? well i started a book about a man (forget the name) that was highly wounded in battle but his body was signed up for genetic research and the tinkered and so he became a pyro, he was well known amoung soldiers as torch but that was not the reason, the reason was that he had killed off over 500 men with one flamethrower in an hour.
And that is where you mess up completely. Now, ask yourself. What is \"torch\"? Is it a) his name, or b) a nickname he has been given due to his actions? It is b, yes. On his birth certificate, it doesn\'t say Bob \"Torch\" Madman, it just says Bob Madman, because that is his _NAME_. Torch is the _NICKNAME_... Name... Nickname... See the diffrence? :)
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Maybe the PS community will shun players with odd names and they will fail in the game. I don\'t think names should require approval before creation and random generators are only appropriate if ideas are needed. The society will naturally discourage these players (they will not get a job/buy a house). If the community shuns these names, it would be a deterent to create them and supplemented with GM\'s spotting the names will keep the amount to a minimum.
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But thats just mean!
Its much easyer for a gm to type /who then look through the list and contact whoever has a bad name at that moment in time. The person with the bad name can either make up their own one or have the gm give them a selection of a few from a random name generator
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Originally posted by Syzerian
But thats just mean!
Its much easyer for a gm to type /who then look through the list and contact whoever has a bad name at that moment in time. The person with the bad name can either make up their own one or have the gm give them a selection of a few from a random name generator
You seem to be the first person who has understood and agreed with how things will work in CB. Incredible, I say. I thought noone would ever get it.
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the reason was that he had killed off over 500 men with one flamethrower in an hour.
is it me or does this sound a bit like rambo :P
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this is a little off topic but did ui no the US army has flamethrower tanks? you guyz should look into them there really cool (ill post a pic of one if i dont get lazy)
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OT: FESFES, flamethrowers are banned under the Geneva convention. Unless your suggesting the US are above international law X(
Its much easyer for a gm to type /who then look through the list and contact whoever has a bad name at that moment in time. The person with the bad name can either make up their own one or have the gm give them a selection of a few from a random name generator
As Gronomist said I think you hit the nail on the head (well at least to the same effect as Gronomist :P)
-Zorium
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thats weird........ iv seen them on some paper my friend had that showed how they work and pics of them being used (when was the geniva con. sighned it mayy have been from before it)
EDIT:http://history.searchbeat.com/vietnamwar/1966action.gif
http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net/Lifebuoy_flamethrower_Cdn_Army_WWII.jpg
EDIT EDIT:i guess it was before the conv and y did i think it was the US?
by the way how do i type the name so the pic will show here (pls use one of those urls as a ex) TY^^
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As Gronomist said I think you hit the nail on the head
Is this a good thing or a bad thing ?(
I guess the weird thing is that I had no idea the devs were planning on doing it this way
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Originally posted by FESFES
thats weird........ iv seen them on some paper my friend had that showed how they work and pics of them being used (when was the geniva con. sighned it mayy have been from before it)
EDIT:http://history.searchbeat.com/vietnamwar/1966action.gif
http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net/Lifebuoy_flamethrower_Cdn_Army_WWII.jpg
EDIT EDIT:i guess it was before the conv and y did i think it was the US?
by the way how do i type the name so the pic will show here (pls use one of those urls as a ex) TY^^
FESFES, use PM\'s for things like that, the Quote function still works for PM\'s.
@ Gronomist, Thank you Grono, like everyone else said, you\'ve hit the nail on the head.
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You know when you apply for a legal name change I think there ARE rules and other such things.
I was going to start a new thread, then decided to use the *SEARCH* button. So I found this thread.
One things I would like to say against having GM\'s enforce naming. In general it would be a bad idea, since PS is a free game, I think there will be a massive population explosion, that the GMs would not be able to control and therefore unable to enforce nameing.
A few reasonable Heuristics is not too much IMHO, since that\'s how traditionally people are named.
Things like enforcing Proper capitalization, and disalowing number and other characters from the name of our hero.
Things like 00doodz000_coolNeSS_187
should not exist... ever... in any RPG. This could be easily enforced, but not many games bother. I just wish that our devs would ensure that such things are not possible.
I mean things like Lordhoe would still be possible, but they are not nearly as annoying as leetspeak in RPG char names.
Anyway just though I\'d throw that out there.
Please consider the fact that GMs won\'t have the time nor patience to enforce naming... that\'s all I ask, simple heuristics would solve many leet names. (Oh and it might be a good idea to distinguish username, from character name, such that usernames must be unique, and may contain whatever characters, where as Proper names don\'t have to be Unique, ie John Smith and don\'t need to contain special characters)
Oh and things like Bob Dole the 3rd. is easily specified with just chars.
Bob Dole III
There, that was easy.
Ok, done...
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Numbers, underscores and more than one capitalized letter is not possible to put into your character. You may write it all in caps, but the server will automatically change it to Blaah instead of BLAAH. :)
As for the name changes, they wont be enforced unless the GM runs into someone with a bad name. And it wont really take long. The player will simply be asked to think of a name, or the GM will think of one for him (by using the random name generator, of course).
But I can\'t agree with the extension to names by putting numbers on it. It\'s simply an easy way to impersonate someone. Ludo Longfoot is a very famous shoemaker, and some n00b d00d thinks it would be cool to steal some of that fame by making a Ludo Longfoot II. If he gets to do that, it\'s bad.
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After all the good names are taken up you might have used up 2,000-3,000 names. However, it keeps going and going. Pretty soon even the odd names are taken.
Then it comes to the point where you\'re totally exasparated because everything you type in comes up with name taken even the random character sequences until you type in
Hell, I don\'t know.
And the computer takes it.
So, I love academic arguments like the one you all are engrossed in. But, practically speaking if you try to keep it under 5 characters there are only so many combinations you can come up with. Unless you want to pm somebody named
SirRoderickTheGreatKnight
With absolute no typos good luck.
I say unless they\'re using profanity outright whatever.
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Advances in the graphical user interface should make it easier to /tell SirRoderickTheGreatKnight with little risk of typo.
I still don\'t want to see U83RS|<83R walking through town.
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Originally posted by Gronomist
Numbers, underscores and more than one capitalized letter is not possible to put into your character.
So would I be able to use O\'Brien or would it turn it to O\'brien?
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Originally posted by Harwen
Originally posted by FESFES
thats weird........ iv seen them on some paper my friend had that showed how they work and pics of them being used (when was the geniva con. sighned it mayy have been from before it)
EDIT:http://history.searchbeat.com/vietnamwar/1966action.gif
http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net/Lifebuoy_flamethrower_Cdn_Army_WWII.jpg
EDIT EDIT:i guess it was before the conv and y did i think it was the US?
by the way how do i type the name so the pic will show here (pls use one of those urls as a ex) TY^^
FESFES, use PM\'s for things like that, the Quote function still works for PM\'s.
@ Gronomist, Thank you Grono, like everyone else said, you\'ve hit the nail on the head.
sry bout that i would have but i thought my pms werent working...............long story
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Originally posted by Melbourne
So would I be able to use O\'Brien or would it turn it to O\'brien?
You wouldnt be able to use that name at all. Only characters allowed are A-Z and a-z. Everything else results in a bad name. We don\'t want La\'ra\'ru\'ra\'rum Le\'rum\'de\'rum\'ro\'ba\'do\'ba walking around either, now would we? :)
As for the typos. Well, if you have the guy in your buddy list it wont be difficult for you to send a message to him, even though he has some weird name, and if you dont know him at all, why would you need to message him in the first place? Sure, if you\'re discussing prices on the market and you want to do it in private, but I\'m pretty sure there will be some easy way of writing a tell to someone you can see. And the reply button has already been implemented, so it\'ll make it easier to respond to difficult tells. :)
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Originally posted by Gronomist
You wouldnt be able to use that name at all. Only characters allowed are A-Z and a-z. Everything else results in a bad name. We don\'t want La\'ra\'ru\'ra\'rum Le\'rum\'de\'rum\'ro\'ba\'do\'ba walking around either, now would we? :)
Oh. I\'m a little disappointed. I was hoping for the use of the aposterphe. I guess I can see what you mean though.
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I?m back now with opinion anyway?
I was sort of hoping that we would have the ability to have spaces in names, but since we will have Surnames/Last-Names I wouldn?t really have a problem with this.. there only sort of name that would need spaces in like Native-American-like names like: Flying Cloud & Red Hunting Wolf.. Stuff like that? but that sort of thing, however creative, can get long & hard to type repetitively?
There was a game were you could create names with & in them but is would come out like this: &Ki&ng = KIng
That would be nice...
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Going to be difficult to do so...
In EverQuest name generator, I came upon the name Aienal when I was making a DarkElf. Of course I\'m sure it\'s a legit DarkElf name but it was provided to me by the company itself. Aye I took the name, hell the generator gave me a name I couldn\'t pass up. Once I reached the ability to get a SurName I called on the GM. He asked what it was going to be and I told him N\'Trudiur, thus I was known as Aeinal N\'Trudiur. They had forced other players to change their names and there were plenty of players complaining about mine...once their dirty little minds twisted it. But the insane part was when a GM showed up and told the complainer that my name was legit after I explained to the GM of how I obtained it and he then notified the player that he needed to stop harrassing me. Funny part is Trudiur is the name of an NPC I taken as my RPing family member in the DarkElf communitee...
I\'m not saying that this game will provide the names and players in their own twisted minds forge their own definition of what it means....(yeah) You just simpily can\'t prevent it from happening, well only the obvious of course. It really all depends on each individuals degree of self righteous censorship. Unfortunatly there will be those that are outcasted due to this level of censorship whether it was intentional or not and rest assured will most likely be griefers/PKers....criminals. Funny how this can happen even in a virtual world, all from the masses forming together in a ideal censorship singularity, regardless of who the victim may be. WW2 anyone ?
Roudkyll
Lyodmeoth
PlynChyft
Name Chageing (obvious)
Nyam Chageing
Now for your flamethrower formula...
1 reinforced magically enhanced containment box
1 magically heat resistant pipe
1 trigger of inflicting pain
1 fire elemental
Then assemble box, pipe, trigger and entrap elemental in box, pull trigger to tick it off elemental for flame\'s.
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Originally posted by Karyuu
Your character is supposed to have a history, a personal story. Please explain to me how a character\'s mother named him or her \'killah,\" and how that fits into Planeshift\'s world. The fact is, it doesn\'t. There\'s no way it ever will :)
This is how this game works. If you don\'t like it, you are -always- free to go try something else. But your ideas truly have no foundation, I\'m sorry to say.
Names tend to reflect that person, no different from \"Dances with Wolves\" or should I say Dumb Bear.
\"Hello my friend here is Dumb Bear\" does that belong in a Western Online game ? no, the powers that be won\'t allow it due to the mass population degree in censorship. If I had a business, like say bagging chicken poop to sell to the consumer. You can bet that when I proven my heritage ties to a royal family in Englands past, My Herald would reflect what I do currently. Aye chicken poop. If I roleplayed a dung farmer who\'s father was a Berry farmer, rest assured I be Billy Dung son of Berry. How about a herb farmer / wizard in the art\'s of ice .... Vanilla Ice ?
They had said the same thing when it came to such words like Asx or \" I asxed him dat question\" bad english ? no it\'s becoming part of the language as like everything else .... language evolves due to the masses as our english differs from the UK\'s even though our heritage ties to them. Yes their are people out there who will name their daughter 7 of 9 just becase the couple are StarTrek fans. As the computer world becomes more part of our lives as our own flesh and blood, it too has evolved and is now part of the new Dictionary. This will eventually include the nicks people come up with and eventually be carried from generation to generation as their names. Probably include numbers and such as well. If not already, I wouldn\'t be surprised. But thats the thing about the evolution of language, it\'s ever evolving, only ones that are having the hardest time adapting are the ones who don\'t want to let go of the past...control. Some names in PS just don\'t belong but your lack of imagination is reinforcing your IronFist of control, loosen up the censorship, some names are justified even if you care not to see it. Killah is a proper name, your definition of such does not justify your self righteous censorship. In your own mind it may be distinct as Killer or KillHer but all I see is Killah. But your stuborness has already, perhaps, crafted a griefer/PKer, anti socialist and the game has not even been released yet. I see your communitee circle has already begun the outcasting by impling they leave, nice support and diplomatic approach. But hey, if they don\'t fit in, boot them out eh ? Thought it belonged to everyone, guess it\'s only to those who comly to the demand of your imagination.
Aye I broke a rule on flaming, but one flame deserves another and someone needed some \"support\" if it even exsists anymore...
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Congratulations ESB, you just defined a Sci-Fi game in a very excellent way, however keep in mind this is not a Sci-Fi setting game. It is a game with a medieval fantasy setting, and names should be, and will be, affected by this. So, whether you like it or not, there will be no Killahs, no 7 of 9 and no strange Anal Intruder names. :)
And yes, it can be checked if the generator can actually make such a name simply by checking what kinds of things it puts together. Anywho, just keep in mind this is in the past, not the future, so however the english language evolves, it stays in the future and we here just keep using the good old understandable words, such as \"Hello\", \"Good day\" and \"How are you\".
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yes at all costs we have to protect using valid \"medieval\" RPG names. But I\'m sure people are going to fine a way around it. For example:
You can\'t have: CloudStrife678
But the computer might allow: Cloud Strife
since it has no numbers or any strange symbols.
Is Cloud Strife a valid RPG name? Well, that is a good argument and people will no question...beg to differeand I wouldn\'t want to start there.
So I do believe there should people (actual humans) giving notices out to people that say \"Your Planeshift name has been approved, your account may be used,\" or something like that. And if doesn\'t approve than it can\'t be used.
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Originally posted by Gronomist
Congratulations ESB, you just defined a Sci-Fi game in a very excellent way, however keep in mind this is not a Sci-Fi setting game. It is a game with a medieval fantasy setting, and names should be, and will be, affected by this. So, whether you like it or not, there will be no Killahs, no 7 of 9 and no strange Anal Intruder names. :)
And yes, it can be checked if the generator can actually make such a name simply by checking what kinds of things it puts together. Anywho, just keep in mind this is in the past, not the future, so however the english language evolves, it stays in the future and we here just keep using the good old understandable words, such as \"Hello\", \"Good day\" and \"How are you\".
You missed the entire point, here\'s an example from the old school days. Pencil and paper rpg games, before the computers and Gansta talk. But if I do remember correctly alot of GM\'s running their games out of FireBase in Calif. were talking like Ogre\'s or whatever, but with today\'s standard it would be considered Gansta talk or broken english. Society has just accepted the style of talk and has associated it with that stereo type. In this case Gansta talk or what ever these kids call it nowadays. It evolved and thus robbing an era of what was once used to communicate with creatures via GM\'s of the olden day\'s. Ummm yuba, dis killah foo is da legut nyme *scratch\'s head* me beso hung gey fo sum he he meatz. oh wait....that\'s gansta talk nowadays, not ogre. How ever you cut it, your perception of what is standard is in fact not.
Elves for instance tend to name each other for what they have done in some great quest, profession or project. Similar to what american indians do and yet will their names be censored as well if one so chooses to name that character as what the translation should be for those who do not RPG? Any true RPGer would infact use a working Elven Language which do exsist on the net along with translators to convert from English to Elvish, etc. But I guess it would require the approval stamp from the FCC....But than again it\'s not a true language and just a bunch of jiberish to anyone that\'s not familiar with it. Looks like the RPGers for the Elves will be dealing with true silly names as they translate all the noobs/gansta\'s name\'s. Than again this is all about extreame censorship so why not add a filtering system for the Elven Language as well....all of them for each type of Elf race. Oh don\'t forget RL languages as well including all the lil things from movies included....all I can say that this is gunthar poo-doo.
Let me put it this way, it\'s like a hispanic person expressing hatered toward african american\'s. But what the Hispanic person doesn\'t relize is that he/she is contributing to the very foundation of racisim. That AND it\'s like trying to explain all of this to a kkk member at the same time....
It\'s an extreame translation of it all, but it coincides with this extreame censorship. A common ground needs to be found, it is after all considered a communitee project. Yet the communitee is so quick to outcast those who do not see it their way... will this censorship evolve to include the idea\'s of others that don\'t fit their standards, graphics, quests, etc. Will the religeous mass\'s that contribute to this project voice their concerns of including \"fantasy\" god\'s over their own. Will it even matter to them even though they are part of the communitee, perhaps they can go somewhere else as well. Since it is etched in stone on how the game will be according to the ... communitee...
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Off the subject sorta, I was just informed that our president is currently in the works on a form of censorship....which is going to include games like PS, EQ, SWG or what have you. Your all on the censorship bandwagon and whether you relize it or not, is affecting the games you all so desire. How ever you define your contribution to the very FOUNDATION of censorship is infact a contribution to the destruction of your own freedom. PS will be outlawed in time as it simulates violence along with all other games of this nature. Good bye Howard Stern, PS, EQ, etc. The Government feels that we the \"adults only\" who are allowed to play these Online games as set by the companies who fashioned the policies, are unable to make the decision of whether they are to violent or not to childeren (who are not allowed to play according to policy set by the companies). Handing over your freedom for someone else to make the decision for you is paying off...
I remember a time when the mass flagged RPG games as people who were suicidal devil worshiper\'s....
I remember a time when we had the freedom of choice and censorship was a thing during the 50\'s....
I remember a time when Online Games rocked, but are outlawed nowadays....
I remember a time when I could remember a time but now we lost that freedom to remember that time....
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...you realize that censorship of somebodies name isn\'t the end of the world right? ;)
And it is decided we are using names that we deem acceptable, so there is little point in posting here :)
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I think it is detrimental to restrict names that much because it will drive many people away from playing, say they make a char & then have to wait 24Hours for approval, they would probably say ?forget it!? & go find another RPG to play? Of course there probably is going to be them that will wait too? But it will restrict the flow of new people?
I say that all we need is a profanity filter when names are created? maybe some way of checking to see if names are Non-Profanity after the person is playing like a user reporting system?.
I think that ?Killa? is a good name for a PS char because keep in mind, it could mean ?Great Warrior? in Klyros or something? but I do not want to see numbers in names though?
Also maybe a mother was going to have 9 babies @ once, she could have named one of he babies ?sevenofnine? just to keep track, who knows? it could have happened in medieval time however unlikely...
If someone wants to name themselves ?Quick Bunny? I don?t care, it doesn?t have profanity & that could imply that the Chars mother wanted him to be a runner when he grew up?
I know that PS is in another world with other cultures, so it stands to reason that, even though there are humans, that they would have only influenced the world & culture to some extent, all the other races would have melded there way of naming children & mixed it will the language of the humans, there would probably be many words integrated into there language over time, I strongly doubt that social evolution happed exactly the way it has on earth?
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i was realy trying not to post here because i fear that i will be only able to spout profanity at the idiocy of some people in here.. All i will say is NO STUPID NAMES PERIOD
Killah is a stupid name to have regardless If i saw some one named killah in real life i would feel sorry for the poor bastard i mean his parents would have to be complete morons or ass holes
Plane shift is a free game that means you have no recourse to what is expected by the devs if THEY want names to be sensible THEY WILL BE. I personaly would think it retarded to see a Lemur named somthing rediculoas like Sk8terD4D3!! if i saw that i would scream profanity at the idiot for using such a stupid name not only is it unorginal its also against the theme of plane shift and against roleplaying in general. If the devs want somthing they will get it they are making this for free you can ask for change if they dont want too tough crap. It\'s there work either play it or leave im tired of the stupidity of some people i think i will stop now before i burst a vain in my head
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I\'m not here to argue with anyone, but i would like the option not to use a second name since I am Ajdaha and that is all I am.
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ACK.
While it _indeed_ may be sensible to think about names like \"Quick Bunny\" as opposed to the western-traditional names (most of which also have meanings, btw.), PS still needs to define whether or not this is cultural heritage of one or more of the races of PS. If, for whatever strange reason, the devs decide that Krans talk 1337, then their names will be 1337killah and the like. If the dwarven races call themselves like \"Dances with Wolves\", then so it will be. However, unless such an unconventional background has been explicitely set by the rule department, general, i.e. conventional \"fantasy\" (as in \"genre\", not as in \"what one can make up\" ;) ) names are to be used exclusively.
As for spelling out numbers (like Henry the third), I\'d still like roman numbers but it\'s not a must. Still, these things would need approval IMO, because the numbers must stay low (no Henry the threehundredfourth).
@ ajdaha: Surnames are in already, btw.
@ the apostrophs: I like them, but one (or at most two) per name should be enough. Still, they are only acceptable if the race\'s background has them (like drow names: Drizzt Do\'Urden).
On the same subject: other characters that are contained in other languages (like umlauts) are a bad thing, because they are prone to be displayed improperly and also can\'t be typed in by most ppl., thus reducing the RP opportunities and general convenience. Furthermore, by being mostly unknown, their pronounciation isn\'t clear to everybody, which is bad because if you\'d _hear_ it, you\'d make up other combinations for it in your mind, but you _read_ it so you can\'t do that. So unless explicitely approved by the race descriptions, they should not be allowed, either.
@ ESB: I might agree to one or even several of your points until you write this:
Let me put it this way, it\'s like a hispanic person expressing hatered toward african american\'s. But what the Hispanic person doesn\'t relize is that he/she is contributing to the very foundation of racisim. That AND it\'s like trying to explain all of this to a kkk member at the same time....
You are stating that by censoring names we are racists, and similar to the kkk? Thank you, you argue along the lines of FESFES & Co, I wonder if the connection goes deeper...
So here I post, in my positions of Head Name-Nazi, Supreme Censor Of Names and High Inquisitor:
the Decree Of Names:
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Names must
- not be obscene
- not be taken from any even slightly popular character
- not contain arabian numbers or any other characters not contained in the english alphabet unless explicitely allowed by the cultural background of the character\'s (regardless of player\'s) race
- fit the PS setting
- not be composed of english words unless explicitely allowed by the cultural background of the character\'s (regardless of player\'s) race
- not be composed to mimic english words if spoken
- constructed to be pronouncible unless explicitely allowed by the cultural background of the character\'s (regardless of player\'s) race
\"
:D
In my position as forum member I post:
Of course freedom is important, _but_ still it needs to be limited. This is because if one persons freedoms are too broad they inevitably reduce the freedom of somebody else. In this case, by granting the freedom of inappropriate names you are taking away the freedom of creating a consistent RP environment. Of course, you need to balance, but as PS is supposed to be a RPG as opposed to a forum, the freedom of consistent RP is more important than the freedom of naming.
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Noooooooo, you\'re joking.
I\'m not saying we shouldn\'t have surnames, but how can i not use one. Cause i don\'t want a surname. I\'m just gonna have to call myself Ajdaha Ajdaha
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How about Ajdaha Ahadja? :P
And don\'t worry you willl figure something out, just a matter of time
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Well, in a certain language Ajdaha means Dragon. Its cliche i know, but I like it. So I\'ll be calling myself Dragon Ahadja. Well, it doesn\'t sound that bad now.
Ajdaha Ahadja it is.
Very good advice.
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Heh, I gave good advice, i wonder where the flying pigs are :P
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ok everyone you can shut up now i have the solution.
at this website there is a english to latan translater. just enter the name you want word by word and make that your name!
http://cawley.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/lookdown.pl
basdicly go to the phrase translater and look up the name you want. if you want bob the buider then it would be bob constructum
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We need to be able to use accented characters. Lots of non-English words have accented characters in them, and some words mean different things without the accents. I got a new name for CB because I needed a last name, but I can\'t use it because it has an ? in it.
EDIT: I just got another, but it had ? and ? in it.
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Or use any old translator. And Gorbulas keep trying :D
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Black_Rose, that didn\'t solve my problem,
Although Waylander did. Soo, for you :
*Ajdaha loads a pig into a basuka, aims it to fly over \"where the monkeys roam free\"
Can\'t finnish what i started, animal rights u c.
But you get the picture
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Originally posted by theRealGorbulas
We need to be able to use accented characters. Lots of non-English words have accented characters in them, and some words mean different things without the accents. I got a new name for CB because I needed a last name, but I can\'t use it because it has an ? in it.
EDIT: I just got another, but it had ? and ? in it.
As I already stated, this is a bad idea because these things will not display correctly on everybody\'s charset and also ppl. who don\'t happen to be from your country will not be able to type them in at all. This is why the english alphabet, while being the most limited I know of, is the least common denominator and therefore the only thing to be allowed. Think of it as a mandatory act of goodwill towards ppl. from other countries than yours. If you expect everybody to change their charset and keyborad layout just so that you can have your funny characters is extremely selfish and therefore I hope that PS will never allow for this.
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I think I will call myself \"Zeraph Fulgur\" because it sort of means \"six winged angel who was struck by a bolt of lightning\" (if you count Zeraph as ?Seraphim?) Would this fit into the ?Moderated & Approved Names? category? My char will be a Klyros with 4 invisible wings who was struck by lightning or something?.
My current name right now is ?Zph? I like it because it is soo quick & easy for others to spell & makes the Tell command allot less hassling?
I played this game once that you only have to start typing the persons name you want & it will sort of fill in the rest, that would make the tell command much much easier to use if everyone has to have long elegant sounding names, so I wouldn?t mind the name restriction if we had something like that?
Forcing people to pick long & nice sounding names could repel people from communicating with other people, I would like a nickname extension so people can call me Zph & it will show up that someone said something about me or to me, if we are not going to have a fill in system?
People can communicate faster with you if your name is shorter; I personally find it much easier to roll play with people with shorter names however ridiculous sounding because it frees me up to really get into character.
If you can?t roll-play because someone walks by with the name Killah, then you do not really have a very good imagination or roll-playing attitude in my opinion. Whenever Killah is mentions I always thing of ?Attila the Hun? leading an army or something. Some peoples imaginations are so limiting? :] But I really do not want numbers & people talking 1337 talk so numbers & profanity should be banned from names!
But I would like the ability to have capital letters in your name as you choose, but not to have duplicate names so to the server ?TheWolf Offire? is the same as ?Thewolf Offire? so that should take care of the case were someone names themselves ?DoLf McClAy? they would just be able to have ?Dolf McClay? & no other capitalization changes would exist, if someone tried to enter ?DOLF McClaY? the server would say ?That name is taken??
I wonder if someone will try & name themselves ?Mad Dog? or ?Black Beard? or ?Grease Lightning? lol. That would cheer up my day, especially if they choose ?Joker/Performer? as a profession? :D
?( A Name is a Label. What Would You Label Yourself? & Shouldn?t it be Your Choice? The game should get boring to hard-core-hack\'n\'slashers & 1337 people anyway & they will be shunned by society anyway, maybe it could even turn them into RP\'ers?
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i will personally kill the first person i see in cb with a stupid name. regardless of whether pk is enabled ill do a diablo 2 hacksor them to death lol
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Originally posted by Zeraph
I think I will call myself \"Zeraph Fulgur\" because it sort of means \"six winged angel who was struck by a bolt of lightning\" (if you count Zeraph as ?Seraphim?) Would this fit into the ?Moderated & Approved Names? category? My char will be a Klyros with 4 invisible wings who was struck by lightning or something?.
Lol! I\'ll write a sign with that description and put it next to the pile of ashes that was Zeraph before Fulgor! ;)
Originally posted by Zeraph
My current name right now is ?Zph? I like it because it is soo quick & easy for others to spell & makes the Tell command allot less hassling?
I totally agree that \"good\" names only are usable if they don\'t need to be typed in. However, this is being taken care of. What an IRC client can do, surele PS can do as well. Also, PS can do other things, there has been a bunch of suggestions and also quite a few threads talking about ways of communication in PS, like:
- separate channels for separate groups of ppl.
- name autocompletion
- nicknames that you can set in your friendlist (i.e., you assign nicknames to others, but only you will ever see the nicks)
Originally posted by Zeraph
If you can?t roll-play because someone walks by with the name Killah, then you do not really have a very good imagination or roll-playing attitude in my opinion.
If they merely walk by, it will not bother me. If, however, they start to talk to me it does bother me because I can\'t take them serious. After all, what is the purpose of trying to RP if you are not willing to start with a good name? It surely shows disrespect for the RPers and RP in general.
Originally posted by Zeraph
Whenever Killah is mentions I always thing of ?Attila the Hun? leading an army or something. Some peoples imaginations are so limiting? :]
Whenever Killah is mentioned, I think of some n00bish teen who barely knows how to start an IRC client and who thinks the recently downloaded nuker makes him / her a hacker. The best suggestion for Killah to have any justification is as spelt by someone who doesn\'t spell very well, like if a really dumb Kran talks to a guard. It\'s not a name and it\'s not even a nickname IMO, because if someone would be nicknamed \"Killer\", it would still be spelt correctly, because it\'s others who define nicknames, not the bearer of one.
Originally posted by Zeraph
But I really do not want numbers & people talking 1337 talk so numbers & profanity should be banned from names!
But I would like the ability to have capital letters in your name as you choose, but not to have duplicate names so to the server ?TheWolf Offire? is the same as ?Thewolf Offire? so that should take care of the case were someone names themselves ?DoLf McClAy? they would just be able to have ?Dolf McClay? & no other capitalization changes would exist, if someone tried to enter ?DOLF McClaY? the server would say ?That name is taken??
If the background specifies names like \"TheWolf Offire\", capital letters would be necessary in the middle of names. If not, there is no justification for either being named \"The Wolf of Fire\" nor for it being written without most whitespaces. With proper spacing, the need for arbitrary capitalisation is removed.
Originally posted by Zeraph
I wonder if someone will try & name themselves ?Mad Dog? or ?Black Beard? or ?Grease Lightning? lol. That would cheer up my day, especially if they choose ?Joker/Performer? as a profession? :D
I thionk toe major problem is the perception of naming in general. The fact that the player gives a name to the char leads to the impression that the name is really just a label that only affects the player. This is true in single player RPGs (but even there the other ppl. talk to the char by it\'s name, which IMO looks really dumb if the name sticks out like a wart), but in MMORPGs it\'s different: the name is part of the chars history, not a label. It is the first thing others get to know and the first thing they base judgement on. IOW, it affects everybody and if you don\'t want it to fit, why the hell are you trying to RP anyway? Remember, someone might call themselves \"Minion of Laanx\", but the fact is that this person\'s name in fact is \"Seytra K\'Haryg\" (I made up this surname this moment, didn\'t take long). So no matter what you call yourself, your birth certificate will show your real name, the one that was given to you by your parents (who certainly didn\'t anticipate your killing career, but wanted a name that they thought makes a good impression and doesn\'t make you laughingstock in school, which \"Killah\" certainly would.). That\'s what names are. The fact that there are some nutters who try to call their children \"Seven of Nine\" or \"Jesus Christ\" doesn\'t change this, and I certainly am grateful that my parents weren\'t that stupid.
Originally posted by Zeraph
?( A Name is a Label. What Would You Label Yourself? & Shouldn?t it be Your Choice? The game should get boring to hard-core-hack\'n\'slashers & 1337 people anyway & they will be shunned by society anyway, maybe it could even turn them into RP\'ers?
So why would we cater to them by allowing their n00bish names, then? And as I said, a name is not just a label, and it in fact isn\'t your choice and also shouldn\'t be that in PS unless you change reproduction to laying eggs that are left alone to hatch and grow up, in which case nobody would be there to give out names. The fact that you as the player are given the choice of naming your char in fact means that your very first RP is done by you before you even have create your character, namely at the beginning of the creation when you choose a name!
A name isn\'t like a folder on your harddrive, that can be called \"k3wlGaM3\" without affecting anything except yourself, it\'s your visiting card and in fact it is given to you by your parents, whose role you get to play on creation because no qualified person exists besides you. It gives you more freedom than IRL because you can choose an mane you like and base it on your intentions for that char, but you still need to make it something that realistically could indeed also have been given to your char by it\'s parents if they actually existed.
Edit: Here\'s an example...
http://thenoob.keenspace.com/d/20040610.html
and
http://thenoob.keenspace.com/d/20040701.html
and
http://thenoob.keenspace.com/d/20040721.html
and
http://thenoob.keenspace.com/d/20040723.html
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god damn it listen up all of you arguing for stupid names NO! Simply no you are not paying for this game and you will abide by the rules! im fed up of some of the truly stupid things i see here it makes me want to scream.
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Whoa, that comic gives a frightening view of what can happen to PS if we don\'t set any rules for how people should behave. :P
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Well my name will be A... oh wait Seytra is supposed to guess that. :)
Anyway, I agree with everything you put in your post, but I would also suggest a limit on the number of characters, which I think Grono already said there was one.
Oh that comic is hilarious, if not a bit sad.
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heh, the comics makes us look like idiots *walks away sulkily* :P
Oh go to the second day (<< then >) the elf description is perfect for...nobody >_>....<_< ....god dude....
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Thanks for picking @ the now scavenged & rotting remains of my post (lol) :).
?lol! I\'ll write a sign with that description and put it next to the pile of ashes that was Zeraph before Fulgor!? ? That?s a great idea! lol ? but my char did survive & that?s why only 2 of his wings are visible, & all he can remember is that he has 6 wings & was struck by lightning & can?t remember anything else?
I agree with some of the stuff you said, except for the following:
?Whenever Killah is mentioned, I think of some n00bish teen who??
-That is your opinion & well some of this:
Originally posted by Seytra
I thionk toe major problem is the perception of naming in general. The fact that the player gives a name to the char leads to the impression that the name is really just a label that only affects the player. This is true in single player RPGs (but even there the other ppl. talk to the char by it\'s name, which IMO looks really dumb if the name sticks out like a wart), but in MMORPGs it\'s different: the name is part of the chars history, not a label. It is the first thing others get to know and the first thing they base judgement on. IOW, it affects everybody and if you don\'t want it to fit, why the hell are you trying to RP anyway? Remember, someone might call themselves \"Minion of Laanx\", but the fact is that this person\'s name in fact is \"Seytra K\'Haryg\" (I made up this surname this moment, didn\'t take long). So no matter what you call yourself, your birth certificate will show your real name, the one that was given to you by your parents (who certainly didn\'t anticipate your killing career, but wanted a name that they thought makes a good impression and doesn\'t make you laughingstock in school, which \"Killah\" certainly would.). That\'s what names are. The fact that there are some nutters who try to call their children \"Seven of Nine\" or \"Jesus Christ\" doesn\'t change this, and I certainly am grateful that my parents weren\'t that stupid.
Originally posted by Zeraph
?( A Name is a Label. What Would You Label Yourself? & Shouldn?t it be Your Choice? The game should get boring to hard-core-hack\'n\'slashers & 1337 people anyway & they will be shunned by society anyway, maybe it could even turn them into RP\'ers?
So why would we cater to them by allowing their n00bish names, then? And as I said, a name is not just a label, and it in fact isn\'t your choice and also shouldn\'t be that in PS unless you change reproduction to laying eggs that are left alone to hatch and grow up, in which case nobody would be there to give out names. The fact that you as the player are given the choice of naming your char in fact means that your very first RP is done by you before you even have create your character, namely at the beginning of the creation when you choose a name!
A name isn\'t like a folder on your harddrive, that can be called \"k3wlGaM3\" without affecting anything except yourself, it\'s your visiting card and in fact it is given to you by your parents, whose role you get to play on creation because no qualified person exists besides you. It gives you more freedom than IRL because you can choose an mane you like and base it on your intentions for that char, but you still need to make it something that realistically could indeed also have been given to your char by it\'s parents if they actually existed.
I do not have much time right at the moment, but the main point I want to say is, yes we need some rules such as no profanity & no numbers, but I personally think that will take care of most of all the name problems for the exception of limited cases, such as no XxXGoDXxX sort of stuff, & we should be able to filter that out on char creation before anyone ever sees the name?
Short Char Story Background: You are a Ynnwn who was brought up in a orphanage, not knowing your real parents or if they even named you. Everyone @ the orphanage calls you ?Slop Boy? because you help out serving the meals? What will happen to you if you went out into the PS world with the name ?Slop Boy? on your birth certificate?
Btw: I am sorry about this statement ?Some peoples imaginations are so limiting?? I was getting mad & must have gone to far?
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Originally posted by Melbourne
Well my name will be A... oh wait Seytra is supposed to guess that. :)
So there is a HINT! :) Well, there have certainly been several ppl. whose names start with an \"A\", but I have a guess. ;)
Originally posted by Melbourne
Anyway, I agree with everything you put in your post, but I would also suggest a limit on the number of characters, which I think Grono already said there was one.
Yes, that would indeed be good.
Originally posted by Melbourne
Oh that comic is hilarious, if not a bit sad.
Yes. I don\'t know if I\'m to laugh or to quit RPG. :)
Originally posted by Zeraph
Thanks for picking @ the now scavenged & rotting remains of my post (lol) :).
You\'re welcome! ;)
Originally posted by Zeraph
?lol! I\'ll write a sign with that description and put it next to the pile of ashes that was Zeraph before Fulgor!? ? That?s a great idea! lol ? but my char did survive & that?s why only 2 of his wings are visible, & all he can remember is that he has 6 wings & was struck by lightning & can?t remember anything else?
Well, that seems to indicate that, while technically living through the lightning strike itself, your char still needs some \"professional help\", to put it mildly... :D
Originally posted by Zeraph
I agree with some of the stuff you said, except for the following:
?Whenever Killah is mentioned, I think of some n00bish teen who??
-That is your opinion & well some of this:
It most certainly is, but I don\'t get the connection to the quote of my post that follows, :( so I left it out of this reply.
Originally posted by Zeraph
I do not have much time right at the moment, but the main point I want to say is, yes we need some rules such as no profanity & no numbers, but I personally think that will take care of most of all the name problems for the exception of limited cases, such as no XxXGoDXxX sort of stuff, & we should be able to filter that out on char creation before anyone ever sees the name?
We will easily be able to filter out numbers, but the rest can\'t really be done automatically, at least not 100% (I mean, I can write \"Motarfooxor\" and no dictionary check will cache this).
Originally posted by Zeraph
Short Char Story Background: You are a Ynnwn who was brought up in a orphanage, not knowing your real parents or if they even named you. Everyone @ the orphanage calls you ?Slop Boy? because you help out serving the meals? What will happen to you if you went out into the PS world with the name ?Slop Boy? on your birth certificate?
I wouldn\'t. \"Slop Boy\" would be a nickname given to me by the others, but the orphanage itself would have assigned a proper name to me upon discovery of me, if, as is implied, my parents didn\'t leave a note. They would then have put that name in my birth certificate as it will have to be created way before me serving the my very first meal (usually within a week after my being found). So the only thing that might happen to me is when I have become king of Yliakum, some guy from the orphanage might show up and call me \"Slop Boy\" in public, but I\'d still be \"King Seytra\" (to stick with \"Boy\" :] ) or (in retrospect) \"K\'Haryg I\". And because I\'ll not be an evil king, it wouldn\'t even be embarassing. :)
If I were older, like 8 years or so, when being put into the orphanage, that still woudn\'t matter. Either I\'d have, by whatever means, acquired a descent name or, if not, they would still not put \"Sneaky\" in my birth certificate, despite all my protest. :D
Originally posted by Zeraph
Btw: I am sorry about this statement ?Some peoples imaginations are so limiting?? I was getting mad & must have gone to far?
I accept this.
Well, some ppl.\'s imagination indeed seems to be limited (I\'m talking massive Aragorns here *g*), but it may also just not work on names, that\'s where a random name generator and / or name list is required.
If this is aimed at names like \"the Wolf of Fire\" (or the non-approval of them), then I need to agree, because I didn\'t think of this kind of names, because I personally don\'t really like them (to me, they\'re more like nicknames that are given to you after some deed or after something special happened, but still in almost every case by others, not by yourself. Also, while this certainly is biased by my preference and cultural background, whether or not these names are appropriate for PS needs to be defined by the rule department, simply because these names are AFAICS not \"mainstream fantasy\" (if I may put it like this). Therefore, their usage must be specifically defined so that they will not be out of place. I always look at the example names for the race / gender I\'m going to be and then create a name based on them, but usually avoid using the preassembled names themselves, using them as a guideline only.
You see, I already made up my mind, but still it needs to be consistent, i.e., either everybody of a certain race / gender will have such a name, or nobody, because their society sets those rules, just as IRL.
Or did you mean that my imagination is limiting you? Well, as the devs create the PS world by their imagination and therefore set the rules, their imagination, however limited or unlimited it might be, definitely limits every player (to a certain extent), starting with the definition of the most basic concepts, like the setting. If the devs use my proposals, it\'d indeed be my imagination that limits you, but I doubt they will follow this 100% anyway. ;)
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Originally posted by Seytra
So there is a HINT! :) Well, there have certainly been several ppl. whose names start with an \"A\", but I have a guess. ;)
Guess that\'s the second hint I\'ve given you. Here\'s another: Don\'t get fooled by my first name, it\'s my last name that you\'ll probobly reconize.
It\'s already been said in this thread several times and I\'m going to repeat it, people, learn the difference between a name and a nickname. Sure everyone knows you as \"The Big Mack Daddy\" but your real name will always be Richard Murdoc. If you meet someone new you\'ll prolly introduce yourself as \"The Big Mack Daddy\" but your name is still Richard Murdoc. Now everytime you play a game and type in a name for your character, think about whether it is an actual name that was given to you by your parents, or is it just a nickname you got when someone started calling you \"The Big Mack Daddy\" Think people, please think. Know the difference between a nickname and an actual, real name.
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hey melburne aulstralia! see a name could be a personal thing that you renamed yourself :]
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I personally think my real name sucks; I think it is awkward sounding?
Why can?t we all go by are ?Nicknames? like we usually do in real life. Then we can gather in the forest around a fire, or @ the pub (for Dwarfs) & tell about how we got them? (oh well? never mind? probably shouldn?t have asked?)
Originally posted by Seytra
Well, that seems to indicate that, while technically living through the lightning strike itself, your char still needs some \"professional help\", to put it mildly... :D
That?s why he is so weak, like we will all be in CB? I wonder, is armor skill going to improve every time you get hit, or is it fix depending on the stuff you wear, that last one would pos a problem for Klyros, (Ops I am drifting?)
Originally posted by Seytra
We will easily be able to filter out numbers, but the rest can\'t really be done automatically, at least not 100% (I mean, I can write \"Motarfooxor\" and no dictionary check will cache this).
About the rest of ?I accept this.? Good for you :) ? some of the names I have heard like Gertrude & Buzz or Nad I just can?t see myself or others wanting that name. Yes I have seen a guy named Nad. There are always going to be parents that name their children strange things, I do not see what makes PS so different & immune from that? \"Motarfooxor\" sounds fine if it is together, but I sort of see what you mean if it was like this: ?Motar Fooxer?, anyway?
Correct me if I am wrong, being from the US, but like 300 years ago, weren?t you mostly know my the place you lived @ like ?Rose of Greenwood Estate? or something like that, so would last-names (surnames) like ?Shadyoaks? or ?Valleywild? or ?Highlander? be ok? I would like to also add, that it would be nice to have the choice to have a ? of ? in the middle o your name like ?Zeraph of Fulgor? (Seraphim of Lightning)?
Also way back, they used to take there father?s names as last names like ?Peter son of John? & thinking of stuff like this, there are some realy interesting names found in the bible: ??there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.? Others like: ?Joab?, ?Gad the seer?, ?Ornan the Jebusite?, ?The sons of Aaron; Nadab, and Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.? Just to name a few? :D
Looks like Melbourne & I both got dissected by Seytra this time?
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Originally posted by black_rose
hey melburne aulstralia! see a name could be a personal thing that you renamed yourself
Well, that wouldn\'t be a challenge now, would it (apart from not fitting into PS)?
FYI, Melbourne doesn\'t refer to the city. :]
Originally posted by Melbourne
Originally posted by Seytra
So there is a HINT! :) Well, there have certainly been several ppl. whose names start with an \"A\", but I have a guess. ;)
Guess that\'s the second hint I\'ve given you. Here\'s another: Don\'t get fooled by my first name, it\'s my last name that you\'ll probobly reconize.
So we have the first name starting with an \"A\", but the last name is the one to be recognised. That limits it to two ppl., unless I broaden the scope of possibilities... um, your nickname wouldn\'t happen to be \"Bertie\"? ;)
Originally posted by Melbourne
It\'s already been said in this thread several times and I\'m going to repeat it, people, learn the difference between a name and a nickname. Sure everyone knows you as \"The Big Mack Daddy\" but your real name will always be Richard Murdoc. If you meet someone new you\'ll prolly introduce yourself as \"The Big Mack Daddy\" but your name is still Richard Murdoc. Now everytime you play a game and type in a name for your character, think about whether it is an actual name that was given to you by your parents, or is it just a nickname you got when someone started calling you \"The Big Mack Daddy\" Think people, please think. Know the difference between a nickname and an actual, real name.
Yes. The following will be my final try to explain this difference, because I honestly think it should be common sense or at least clear by now.
Originally posted by Zeraph
I personally think my real name sucks; I think it is awkward sounding?
Why can?t we all go by are ?Nicknames? like we usually do in real life.
We do? Well, OK, some do, but only restricted to certain groups of ppl, not in general. But still, if you\'re going to sign a contract, do you honestly believe you can get away with signing it as \"Zeraph\"? I don\'t think so... ;)
Originally posted by Zeraph
Then we can gather in the forest around a fire, or @ the pub (for Dwarfs) & tell about how we got them? (oh well? never mind? probably shouldn?t have asked?)
Gah! You still can! There is NOTHING to prevent you from introducing yourself as whatever you want, or doing the \"I\'m Seytra, but my friends call me \"Sneaky\"\" thing. It\'s just not your name, just as IRL. I therefore propose that there should be a nickname identify function, that is, you have a special command, like /nick that you can use when you introduce yourself. This name would then be added to the buddylist of the person you introduced yourself to (if they set the preferences to allow it). Or even better, you set your nickname and when you mention it in your introduction, the system automatically puts it into the buddylist. However, the last version would not be viable if you use different nicks for different groups of ppl..
Still, these nicks need to meet similar criteria, except uniqueness isn\'t necessary and also they can be common english words, but profanity and numbers still should be out.
Originally posted by Zeraph
Originally posted by Seytra
Well, that seems to indicate that, while technically living through the lightning strike itself, your char still needs some \"professional help\", to put it mildly... :D
That?s why he is so weak, like we will all be in CB? I wonder, is armor skill going to improve every time you get hit, or is it fix depending on the stuff you wear, that last one would pos a problem for Klyros, (Ops I am drifting?)
The reason why you\'re going to be weak as Klyros is that you can\'t wear heavy armor and also your skeleton is easily damaged, as the race description states. Nothing to do with lightning, or do you suggest every Klyros gets struck by lightning on birth? :]
Originally posted by Zeraph
Originally posted by Seytra
We will easily be able to filter out numbers, but the rest can\'t really be done automatically, at least not 100% (I mean, I can write \"Motarfooxor\" and no dictionary check will cache this).
About the rest of ?I accept this.? Good for you :) ? some of the names I have heard like Gertrude & Buzz or Nad I just can?t see myself or others wanting that name. Yes I have seen a guy named Nad. There are always going to be parents that name their children strange things, I do not see what makes PS so different & immune from that?
Because, unlike IRL, we do have the choice in PS. Furthermore, What someone dislikes can easily be someone elses favourite. I\'m sure I will come accross \"proper\" names which I think are stupid, just as someone else will be bound to dislike my name. Still, this doesn\'t excuse improper names.
Originally posted by Zeraph
\"Motarfooxor\" sounds fine if it is together, but I sort of see what you mean if it was like this: ?Motar Fooxer?, anyway?
Well, whatever it is spelt, it wouldn\'t be OK with me, because I specifically constructed it to turn into \"Motherf**ker\" when spoken. Also, it clearly is 1337 (without numbers) / chatspeak, which doesn\'t fit PS.
Originally posted by Zeraph
Correct me if I am wrong, being from the US, but like 300 years ago, weren?t you mostly know my the place you lived @ like ?Rose of Greenwood Estate? or something like that, so would last-names (surnames) like ?Shadyoaks? or ?Valleywild? or ?Highlander? be ok? I would like to also add, that it would be nice to have the choice to have a ? of ? in the middle o your name like ?Zeraph of Fulgor? (Seraphim of Lightning)?
Also way back, they used to take there father?s names as last names like ?Peter son of John? & thinking of stuff like this, there are some realy interesting names found in the bible: ??there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.?
Well, an \"of\" uses to indicate some royal heritage, which isn\'t the norm. Also, the surnames only became necessary when communities grew gigger than just a few hundred ppl. Also, nameslike \"Smith\" clearly came from these times, where ppl. were referred to by their profession as well as by their name, simply because there were so many Johns in the town that you needed to make clear you mean John the smith, thus John Smith. And yes, being given the attribute \"son of (fathers/mothers name)\" was convention, but also is only feasible in small societies. Yliakum is way too big for these rather simple naming systems and therefore will inevitably have evolved to more complex and abstract conventions (like ours) literally ages ago, even if, which in itself is unlikely, the early settlers didn\'t use such a system (since they were coming from even bigger societies that therefore will also have had different names). Therefore, the only races that might have started out with a simple scheme in Yliakum would be Krans and Lemurs, but they would still have had to change it when their own population grew and surely once the others arrived unless they had names that were exclusive to their race due to their special nature, but I don\'t think the other races and these wouldn\'t have borrowed from each other, thus removing the uniqueness.
Originally posted by Zeraph
Others like: ?Joab?, ?Gad the seer?, ?Ornan the Jebusite?, ?The sons of Aaron; Nadab, and Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.? Just to name a few? :D
Clear examples of the profession being used to more closely identify which \"Gad\" or \"Ornan\" you actually mean. Naming schemes in the process of becoming more abstract to scale with the population growth.
Originally posted by Zeraph
Looks like Melbourne & I both got dissected by Seytra this time?
It surely does... :)
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Originally posted by Seytra
Well, whatever it is spelt, it wouldn\'t be OK with me, because I specifically constructed it to turn into \"Motherf**ker\" when spoken. Also, it clearly is 1337 (without numbers) / chatspeak, which doesn\'t fit PS.
Oh, I see it now? I wouldn?t make a very good name police because my mind doesn?t work like a 1337 person I guess.
Originally posted by Seytra
The reason why you\'re going to be weak as Klyros is that you can\'t wear heavy armor and also your skeleton is easily damaged, as the race description states. Nothing to do with lightning, or do you suggest every Klyros gets struck by lightning on birth?
Of course I know that, & that it the reason I pointed that out? & I meant that everyone will have to start @ low skill levels & work your way up by however means?
Originally posted by Seytra
Well, an \"of\" uses to indicate some royal heritage, which isn\'t the norm. Also, the surnames only became necessary when communities grew gigger than just a few hundred ppl. Also, nameslike \"Smith\" clearly came from these times, where ppl. were referred to by their profession as well as by their name, simply because there were so many Johns in the town that you needed to make clear you mean John the smith, thus John Smith. And yes, being given the attribute \"son of (fathers/mothers name)\" was convention, but also is only feasible in small societies. Yliakum is way too big for these rather simple naming systems and therefore will inevitably have evolved to more complex and abstract conventions (like ours) literally ages ago, even if, which in itself is unlikely, the early settlers didn\'t use such a system (since they were coming from even bigger societies that therefore will also have had different names). Therefore, the only races that might have started out with a simple scheme in Yliakum would be Krans and Lemurs, but they would still have had to change it when their own population grew and surely once the others arrived unless they had names that were exclusive to their race due to their special nature, but I don\'t think the other races and these wouldn\'t have borrowed from each other, thus removing the uniqueness.
So that would be ok if my last name would be similar to the name of a place etc? Have to go now?
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Originally posted by Seytra
Originally posted by black_rose
hey melburne aulstralia! see a name could be a personal thing that you renamed yourself
Well, that wouldn\'t be a challenge now, would it (apart from not fitting into PS)?
FYI, Melbourne doesn\'t refer to the city. :]
Here is where I got the name from if anyone is still wondering
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/terrace/adw03/pms/mel.htm
So we have the first name starting with an \"A\", but the last name is the one to be recognised. That limits it to two ppl., unless I broaden the scope of possibilities... um, your nickname wouldn\'t happen to be \"Bertie\"? ;)
Actually I just made up the first name, you\'ll never recognize it, but if you see my last name and know your history it will be really easy.
I was going to say more but Seytra beat me to it. *sigh*
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Originally posted by Zeraph
So that would be ok if my last name would be similar to the name of a place etc? Have to go now?
Well, in theory, yes. However, It just crossed my mind that ppl. in Yliakum will most likely not speak english, nor will they ever have done so. Even worse, the different races wopuld most likely have had different l?anguages initially that IMO will have melted into one common language.
Therefore, even if there are names like \"smith\" (which still needs to be decided by the rules / settings team), they will not be recognisable as such because the words will be very different from \"smith\" (just like english \"computer\" and french \"ordinateur\", and these languages don\'t even originate in different planes / universes!).
Of course, you could argue that, to not have us learn an artificial language, english is \"the\" language of Yliakum, but I think this is for convenience only and therefore shouldn\'t influence naming, because there wouldn\'t be reason for such convenience. Also, I don\'t see why it would be necessary to resort to english words in names, because there are so many other viable and well-sounding combinations of letters.
Originally posted by Melbourne
Actually I just made up the first name, you\'ll never recognize it, but if you see my last name and know your history it will be really easy.
I see, or better, I will see (you in CB, then). :)