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Title: What is ahead?
Post by: DepthBlade on July 29, 2004, 07:37:41 am
I am just sitting here thinking...

 In all these movies back tens of years ago our world is imaged with flying vehicles and robots,cities in space..don\'t forget the one colored uniforms and all the other jetson type qualities!

Well since we are hitting those years that have been predicted to be so futuristic in the past, and since none of it really has come true. Its our generations turn to predict the future years of society, cultures, environment, fashion, pop culture, entertainment, material objects and domination!

What do you believe is waiting for us in the future....?

  Personally I fear for the worst, with things as they are..I fear that it won\'t stop, the fighting won\'t stop, the terrorism won\'t stop. I fear one day waking up to find my town laying in rubble and cars blowing up, buildings collapsing and other precisious people and memories lost...I believe our future not to be one of Robots destroying the world, or countrys destroying the world...it will come from within...I hope we get to see the day of flying vehicles and cities in space, I want what the people of the past wanted and nothing less!


EDIT directed toward Melbourne\'s post below:

        No its just that the future is a scary thing to alot of people and its interesting to discuss what some people think of it..
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Post by: Melbourne on July 29, 2004, 07:40:12 am
Bored aren\'t you
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Post by: Waylander on July 29, 2004, 08:04:30 am
Hmm, well who knows, there may be a new age coming.  We could find another element that completely changes everything we believed

As for the far futur, I really hope one day people will look back on us and say \"I can\'t believe they really believed science was resonsible for all those things\" just like we look back on what people believed god did :D
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Post by: Moogie on July 29, 2004, 08:17:04 pm
The future is written by sci-fi authors. Man travelling through space was an idea first concieved in sci-fi. So was travelling to the bottom of the ocean. So was many gadgets we use commonly today (like mobile handheld communicators (phones)). Also, artificial life and robots were invisioned by sci-fi authors in their works long before anyone had begun trying to build them.

Just because we don\'t all wear tacky uniforms doesn\'t mean anything. :P And just because nobody lives on the moon or Mars, doesn\'t mean it will always be that way. If anyone has seen recent documentaries on technology and space travel, you\'ll have heard of plans to build inhabitable structures and mini-ecosystems on bodies other than Earth.
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Post by: Black_rose on July 29, 2004, 08:23:07 pm
well we are going into space (i mean really into it) mars is planed for 2010 it was planned in the 70\'s but they gave up as no one was interesed enough ?(
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Post by: FESFES on July 29, 2004, 09:46:35 pm
This is very simple.
History will repeat its self and the fisrt thing to repeat will be the 70\'s and evrything will be the same but with computers.
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Post by: druke on July 29, 2004, 11:09:12 pm
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Originally posted by FESFES
This is very simple.
History will repeat its self and the fisrt thing to repeat will be the 70\'s and evrything will be the same but with computers.


no not at all

you see whats going to happen is, i\'m going to start my company here in a few months, and then all my family\'s companies (my family is big on starting buisness) will come to me after a while

sooo...

when i get all my big bucks, i\'m going to hire ALOT of mexicans (i\'m texan) b/c they sport cheap cheap labor, and that\'ll be my army, first i\'ll take over and modernize mexico, then i\'ll start South america. Then Asia...then everwhere else MWHAHA(it\'s almot more detailed then that, but i do plan to continue space exploration once i\'m in control.)


edit:::..?!?!maybe the world  will end too, this is my 666\'th post
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Post by: Phinehas on July 30, 2004, 09:00:13 pm
I believe the world\'s coming to an end soon, but that\'s because I\'m a Christian and base my beliefs on the Bible.

(Now watch the Christian get totally flamed for his beliefs.)
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Post by: dfryer on July 30, 2004, 10:07:47 pm
While to some extent I share your belief, the end of the world has much in common with CB - ever since about 35AD it is \"soon\"... and when we finally stop expecting it, *wham*, there ya go :D

Actually, to be fair, I think there was a long stretch during which many theologians took the position of \"ammillenialism\" and a slow, steady progression to a unified kingdom of God on Earth.  I personally don\'t think the imagery in Revelation corresponds to a slow, steady progression but I certainly cannot proclaim myself to understand strange dreams and prophecy from a couple millenia ago.  

In the case that the world doesn\'t end in the next couple hundred years, I anticipate a growing loss of privacy to governments, but at the same time an increase in corporate and lobbyist influence, especially in western democracies.  China will also probably play a big role...  using genetic engineering & nanotechnology, there will be major implications in medical treatments for those who can afford it.  The average populations in the \"wealthy\" countries will slowly become less active and healthy (and competent) until the economy either crashes or is saved from crashing by manipulation of people who are already in power and want to maintain the status quo.

How\'s that for doom and gloom?  If the world doesn\'t end, most of our grandchildren will be lazy and stupid :)
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Post by: FESFES on July 30, 2004, 10:58:10 pm
we must all destroy druke befor he takes over the world!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: FlippySeal on July 31, 2004, 12:28:19 am
What is this \"Future\"? The future never exists! Not materially of course, but the future is what we make it!
We could encounter a period of economic growth and invent personal jetpacks (OH MAN THAT WOULD BE SOO COOL!).
Or we could continue in a downward spiral, and the present city and civiclization itself be buried under barbarism, where we club each other to death and feast on the warm inside.

Remember, the future is what we make, a select few people have the choice of changing the future and those are country and world leaders,not only people like politicians, but medical companies, and the science market.

So no one tell me the future can be predicted! The only thing that can be predicted and not accurately all the time is the weather!
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Post by: Melbourne on July 31, 2004, 05:29:57 am
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we must all destroy druke befor he takes over the world!!!!!!!!!


Why? There is nothing wrong with setting your goals high.  I admire Druke for being so bold as to attempt world domination, I on the other hand would be happy to rule my own country.  You know Druke, I could assist you in your plans and all that I request is a little province for me to rule with an iron fist.
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Post by: smoak on July 31, 2004, 06:01:56 am
i think druke might actually succeed but i wonder y he went from south america to asia and not continue to australia, also for it to actually work he needs to find a way to subdue starbucks long enough to take over
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Post by: druke on July 31, 2004, 05:17:23 pm
ok mel, sounds good, we\'ll see when we get there


i\'v still got a ways to go
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Post by: tygerwilde on July 31, 2004, 05:41:49 pm
I say, when war breaks out, all of the major cities will be hit, but the smaller cities will be spared damnation because we\'re just not major military targets. by the time that war could get to cities like where I live, there won\'t be anyone left to lead the worlds armies.
my biggest fear is fallout driftin in from the cities that are hit. we\'re only a hundred miles from saint louis, which means that fallout could potentially drift all the way to us... I really don\'t wanna glow in the dark, after all, I can\'t sleep with the light on.
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Post by: FESFES on August 01, 2004, 05:16:02 am
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we must all destroy druke befor he takes over the world!!!!!!!!!


Why? There is nothing wrong with setting your goals high.  I admire Druke for being so bold as to attempt world domination, I on the other hand would be happy to rule my own country.  You know Druke, I could assist you in your plans and all that I request is a little province for me to rule with an iron fist.


well, I said that because I plan on taking over the world my self and I didn\'t wan\'t any competition
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Post by: kbilik on August 01, 2004, 06:19:52 am
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In all these movies back tens of years ago our world is imaged with flying vehicles and robots,cities in space..don\'t forget the one colored uniforms and all the other jetson type qualities!

Well since we are hitting those years that have been predicted to be so futuristic in the past, and since none of it really has come true. Its our generations turn to predict the future years of society, cultures, environment, fashion, pop culture, entertainment, material objects and domination!


Predicting the future is hard business. You never know what kind of discoveries we might make, or how they will affect the world and progress. For the most part, people in the 50\'s didn\'t predict the internet (as far as I know) and didn\'t know the impact of discovering genetics (not even Francis Crick and James Watson knew what their discovery would lead to in terms of practical use).

What will the future be like? Good question. I think that the fields of nanotechnology, biotech, and computer technology will rapidly mature. Computers will keep getting faster - although the rate at which they do might hit a wall because you can\'t keep miniaturizing your components forever. But I\'m sure they will make up for this with different processes of making computers faster (not just shrinking transistor size and increasing frequency).

Also biotech is really advancing. We already know what the human genome consists of (might lead to pharmacogenomics (http://pharmacy.ucsf.edu/cpg/whatis/)  - custom drugs based on our DNA). But before we are to battle cancer and other diseases, we need to learn how proteins fold and how to interact/counteract and engineer them. So beyond genomics, there is a field called \"proteomics\" that will really influence the near future of medicine and treatments. Also look for

And if you thought genetic engineering was interesting, take a look at synthetic biology (http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/ArticleView.asp?P_Article=12744)  (making life from scratch - or simple chemistry).

Anyway that\'s my opinion. I\'m sure the social conditions of the near future will be even harder to predict than the technology. Here are some sites that deal with the near future and how technology might advance.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/index.html?flash=2
http://betterhumans.com/News/index.aspx
http://www.newscientist.com/
http://www.foresight.org/
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Post by: kbilik on August 05, 2004, 12:20:29 am
Sorry for the double post, but here\'s a link to the US National Nanotechnology Initiative (http://www.nano.gov/) . Just thought it would be relevant to the discussion as it refers to the \"next Industrial Revolution\". Many other countries like Japan have similar national programs.

Some more background here
http://www.cofc.edu/~physclub/clubpages/nanotech.html

Any other opinions?
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Post by: Syzerian on August 05, 2004, 03:11:03 am
The end of the world is based on perspective, it ends when you end
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Post by: druke on August 05, 2004, 01:18:41 pm
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The end of the world is based on perspective, it ends when you end


and yet persective beyond that, not when does my world end, \"the\" world, and you could go as far as saying that you dont spiritually beleive your world doesn\'t end when you die


but this is drifting to close to a touchy subject so lets stear clear
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Post by: kbilik on August 05, 2004, 08:24:22 pm
I don\'t think human civilization will destroy itself any time soon. Of course there will always be wars and violence - that\'s just human nature. Keep in mind that the human population never decreased by more than 30% in history (even the black death didnt do that).

There are many potential conflicts ahead. Here are just two of them for now.

- For one, the problem with energy. The oil supply is said to be running out and peak shortly then decline. The change from fossil fuels to alternatives will have a big impact. There\'s research into hydrogen fuel cells and plasma fusion reactors (http://www.iter.org/)  for near future energy demands. Farther down the line, highly efficient solar cells (enhanced to 60% efficiency) will need to do the job. After all, the earth recieves a thousand or so terawatts of solar power from the sun at the surface (1,410 W/m^2).


-Fresh water and food. With population set to increase to 10 billion in about 30 years, this will get more important. This is where nanotech and biotech can come in handy. Nanotech in the process of catalyzing and filtering sea water undergoing reverse osmosis and making it drinkable. Biotech will have to take care of the food problem by GM or other more reliable methods (even though there is a lot of opposition).

Plenty more problems would come up - some that we couldn\'t imagine today. Others would just fade away or become lesser.