PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: WiseKran on July 30, 2004, 02:22:39 pm
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umm i was reading the PS history over and over and over and i saw all the maps peaple have drawn about the excavated stalagtite and where the game takes place...
but when you look up at the sky in ps you\'ll notice it is blue?!?!? if you were in a HUGE cave with a crystal as bright as the sun at the roof of it would you not see the rock ceiling of the cave??
not that i want to see the rock ceiling...
and i see clouds.. how can you have blue sky\'s and clouds in a cave??
i know this is a VAST cave with thousands of miles of space but still
can you explaint his for me? i even lost sleep over the concept lol
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you can have clouds in a cave, no problem
the blue sky thing has been explained one time, i just dont remember the explanation
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tell me how this is possible please... i am a man that wont take because for an answer i need a detailed and intricut explanation.
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Check out this thread:
here (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=8619&boardid=13&sid=abc40d5bfa63acd4de19c46c92cd2155)
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that helps me out with the blue sky..
but rain... is the cave big enuogh to have an atmosphere?
i suppose in theorie the cave could be large enough to have an atmosphere.. but the clouds would form because of the lake... but the lake would eventually be empty beacuse it drains the the lower area... but i suppose if it rained enough the lake would stay full and be able to sustain an atmosphere omg lol i got my self so confused now
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Just my thoughts on the subject, since I\'ve nothing else to do at the current moment. :P
The azure sun has a blue light, since theres moisture in the atmosphere of the cave, the blue light would reflect off of it. Thus the blue sky.
Rain could be moisture seeping through the ground, evaporating from the azure suns warmth, building into clouds, then falling to the ground.
As for how the water gets back into circulation after it seeps through Yliakum and down into the massive lake below, you\'ve got me there.
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When it rains, the ceiling of the cave is cooled, and because hot air rises, the hot and cool air clash, and create fog. It apears as clouds, and it certainly rains, but only because water is flowing in through the ceiling. ;)
Or so im guessing...
Im not really sure.
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Because you have a few of the ingredients needed for an active atmosphere, a sun that provides heat, air that provides a medium through wich heat and water can travel, a variable landscape which gives temperature and air pressure variance, you get wind, thorugh maybe not reguar, north-east-west-south wind, condensation, varying temperature, clouds, rain, e.t.c.
Though hail, snow and extremely cold weather would be more or less out of the question, with rain storms being an exception, because I think being that deeply rooted in a planet\'s crust would mean closer to its core, and thus tropical weather year-round.
wind would probably occour blowing into and out of the stagmilite, or a spiral motion due to the step-ladder geography of the stagmalite.
Rain could occour for a few reasons, evaporation of the water in the great lake, the rivers of the different levels, and perhaps the water that seeps into the stagmilite near the crystal would instantly be vaporized at that proximity.
*edit: fog would be a natural occourance with the conditions I described above which would build up in the lower levels and \"fill\" the stagmalite. This great amount of fog could account for sufficient blockage of the sun\'s rays and perhaps dramatic temperature variences. Making the stagamalite perhaps a reverse mouintain in terms of climate....well, at least seasonally.
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Originally posted by WiseKran
umm i was reading the PS history over and over and over and i saw all the maps peaple have drawn about the excavated stalagtite and where the game takes place...
but when you look up at the sky in ps you\'ll notice it is blue?!?!? if you were in a HUGE cave with a crystal as bright as the sun at the roof of it would you not see the rock ceiling of the cave??
not that i want to see the rock ceiling...
and i see clouds.. how can you have blue sky\'s and clouds in a cave??
i know this is a VAST cave with thousands of miles of space but still
can you explaint his for me? i even lost sleep over the concept lol
Just think of it like a whole nother universe in another. So it\'s like a whole nother \"earth\" if you say in this cave place. And it contains it\'s own gasses and atmosphere and whatnot
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i said it once :p and i\'m saying it again when you look at the planeshift pic section and look at the pic of the statue and look at the sky you see black lines now meebie you can say it are clouds but imo if i look at it i see rock texture cause there are even like hole shaped figures in there could be my imagination
but i think it would be most logical since the crystal emits bleu light the sky is bleu, and we are in a cave
thus i see a bleu-rocky sky thingy... anyway :D i see it :D
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Just some scientific thoughts..
Notice our sun (It\'s yellow if you didn\'t notice).
Still, our sky is blue.
Why?
It\'s because of the molecular structure (AFAIK) of the air.
So why can\'t the air in the PS world be the same?
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CLICK ME (http://forums.arcaneorder.com/viewtopic.php?t=351)
try that link you might like that answer
Edit: remember to read both pages of the thread
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ha, well besides that we\'re makin up this world and any thing we agree is possible is, theres this:
y couldnt it be just like earth? i mean once u have outer space, only stuff like solar flares or asteroids are different. right? if outer space was just a cave wall, we\'d still have blue sky & goofy newbs.
also, i think places like the astrodome have something like rain if they\'re pack. (yuck, i know)
really anykind of weather could be possible. (see above if outerspace was a cave wall & not outer space)
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People will hate me for this answer:
It\'s magic!
But if you want to be scientific, answer me this:
What gives you the idea that the PlaneShift world would have laws of nature even remotely similar to Earth? You are thinking too narrow-mindedly.
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wow, i never thaught of that, Genious!, purely!
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But if you want to be scientific, answer me this:
What gives you the idea that the PlaneShift world would have laws of nature even remotely similar to Earth? You are thinking too narrow-mindedly.
A: thats the easy way out (the its magic part)
B: everything can be explained scientifically
C: who says anything has to be remotly similar to earths laws?
D: you make up your own laws which fit the question/problem
E: if the Arcane order doesnt think it as magic... i dont think you should be contradicting them.... (its unhealthy) :)
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Hmm... apparently we have all turned into Xacha. Let\'s see what a few of the other races have to say!
Ylian: It rains because the all-mighty Talad blesses us with it! We need the rain to sustain our food!
Dermorian: If it didn\'t rain, what in the world would we frolic in, fool?
Nolthrir: *burble* *burble* *glub* *glub*
Hammerwielder: Eh? You say it needs tightening? Oh, lightning! Leave me alone! I\'m busy!
Stonebreaker: Blast that crystal! We\'ve been at it for ages! \'Tis a cruel joke, it is, to give the race with the shortest leap the greatest desire to have it!
Ynnwn: *stomach growls* Could we POSSIBLY talk about this later?
Enkidukai: Gah! I hate rain! Positively RUINS my coat! *scratches flea* So, you think you could get those leaks in the ceiling fixed? I\'d really appreciate it...
Diabolus: Bah! Crystal, schmystal! What has that got to do with us taking over the worl... I mean, er... Well, you see... Nitrogen in the air scatters blue light from the crystal...
Kran: WOOHOO! Crystal?!?! WHERE?? Sounds yummy...
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The stonebreaker one amused me somewhat...
did you just make them up yarulion?
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That post was random nonsense from 2:02 AM to about 2:08 AM. You like?
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Originally posted by WiseKran
that helps me out with the blue sky..
but rain... is the cave big enuogh to have an atmosphere?
i suppose in theorie the cave could be large enough to have an atmosphere.. but the clouds would form because of the lake... but the lake would eventually be empty beacuse it drains the the lower area... but i suppose if it rained enough the lake would stay full and be able to sustain an atmosphere omg lol i got my self so confused now
I once had an atmosphere that was contained in an 80 gallon fish tank. I don\'t see why a thousand cubic kilometer cave can\'t have one, too.
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you know .... its known that it DOES have an atmosphere so if you cant see that it does your on crack... the idea is to figure out how the thing WORKS
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The laws in Yliakum are almost identical to those of Earth. If they were significantly different, it wouldn\'t have bipeds, plants, same chemicals, etc.
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Originally posted by karakth
The laws in Yliakum are almost identical to those of Earth. If they were significantly different, it wouldn\'t have bipeds, plants, same chemicals, etc.
how do you know though? how many non earth realties have you been to..or even read about?
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They would either have to be very similar or very different. It is possible to create an earth-like reality with a different set of \"laws\" (especially with the influence of intelligent demigods) but on the other hand, Earth-like physics with a few constants changed is a total mess.
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On the other hand, it\'s clear that the laws of Yliakum essentially create an earth-like construct, so often it is helpful to try to think of things in terms of \"ordinary\" physics, and when that breaks down we can bring in \"magic\" - but even magic probably has structure and process.