PlaneShift
Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Black_rose on July 30, 2004, 10:56:16 pm
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wall what if we had wars between races? and certain races hated eachother so much that most of the vendors would not vend on that race.
example. kran and humans hate eachother, since an ancient crusade of human zealots \"crusaded\" across kran territory and a bloody war erupted. humans killed children of the kran ect. ect. but this lead to hatred and humans and kran where always fighting few kingdoms where left out of this. so if a battle erupted kran would have a choice to fight or not so wouldnt humans. the krannish vendors would not vend on humans of course because who would sell to an enemy. they would be close minded and very few would be comassionet
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That would really destroy a lot of the guilds and friendships that there are right now, because a lot of people have different ideas for different races that don\'t include hating other races. Most guilds accept all races, and this would cause fighting within guilds and tear many groups apart.
And anyway, racism is incredibly un-Mirthful. I would be vehemently against anything of this sort.
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you dont have to join though it even says it up there
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It doesn\'t matter if it\'s by choice, fighting and killing someone because of their race is very, very wrong.
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i dont think this game should promote racism, no matter if its just imaginary races, i have played a game with this particular feature, and the results where frustating,(the game is \"Dark Eden\", a slayer vs vampire mmorpg), the hight level vampires in that game kill newbies every minute, and you just keep reviving and not advancin at all, untill you become a high level character yourself, besides, wars will only disturb the other players gameplay, at least if is a racial one, also if a guild haves members of the oposing races.....what then, or if you deside to go tresure hunting, and you find yourself sorrounded by a grup of..lets say diaboli, who arent there to entretain you, but...im not completly against the posibility of wars in the game, but if you make racial wars.....no matter how fun it may look, it causes to many problems, and twist the minds of any 13 years old kid, who may be playing, thats why, if there was a war, it should be in critical moments in the history of the game, like poverty of some towns, the cration of a monopoly, a tyrant king, etc....lets promote the real reason of wars, so the kids can undestand intead of thinking that people just fight because the other side are the bad guys and thir side are the good guys....well thats just my opinion....(lets not change the subjet to why people fight, or to a \"war are stupid?\" thing, lets focus in how, where and why could ocurr in the game)
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Meh fighting for race is just ridiculous! I only fight for my beliefs and you would think others would do the same or fight for their guilds beliefs!
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Racism is important to rp !
i hate elves ! and elves hate \"lower/less advanced\" races they belive their all high and mighty (untill the cabal starts burning them) .
The dwarfs might not like the kran as they eat the ores. humans might not like enkies as their \"animals\". It brings depth into the game . so you might have Npcs who ignore you due to your race or treat nicer you because of your race ....
and i agree \"stupid kids\" will spoil the game but if the mature community shows contempt to their actions they might stop or lessen down being stupid, And theres always the cabal N00B bashing squad :D:D:D
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Bah, apart from being so worn-out, it\'s not possible in Yliakum, because the description states that all the races have been living peacefully and equally with each other, so why would there be racial wars all of the sudden? I don\'t like the idea, btw., but it also doesn\'t seem to promote RP, just PvP. we already have guild wars for that, which is, unlike racism, based on somewhat justifyable reasons (like thieves guild vs merchants guild) and can more reasonably be argued to promote RP.
@ Snow_Raven: No, I totally disagree. Elves don\'t hate anyone, just as dwarves don\'t. It is a question of the specific game world and the way elves think in this world. \"Elf\" isn\'t the same as \"Elf\" if the underlying world differs. I know elves of different worlds who have totally different views on life. So no, this can\'t be argued and also I don\'t know of any RP world in which racism is so extreme like IRL. I think racism should have, if at all, only very limited place in RP, and it doesn\'t encourage RP at all, I think. It just encourages unjustified hate and aggression.
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Originally posted by snow_RAveN
Racism is important to rp !
i hate elves ! and elves hate \"lower/less advanced\" races they belive their all high and mighty (untill the cabal starts burning them) .
The dwarfs might not like the kran as they eat the ores. humans might not like enkies as their \"animals\". It brings depth into the game . so you might have Npcs who ignore you due to your race or treat nicer you because of your race ....
and i agree \"stupid kids\" will spoil the game but if the mature community shows contempt to their actions they might stop or lessen down being stupid, And theres always the cabal N00B bashing squad :D:D:D
Yeah, NPC shopkeepers that will sell their stuff for the double price to elves :P
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Maybe the dev\'s could add a backstory, maybe a tension between certain races... It would certainly help roleplaying.
Not all people of that race would dislike the other, but some could have the tension between them or even really hate them.
But then you don\'t really need world wide racism maybe your character just dislikes them for some reason or another.
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I must ask you how would it help RP? I can only see it help PvP. Sure, some ppl. may indeed engage in IC hate-speech or in anti-racism, but the majority will, IMO, either not care or take it as an excuse for PK. And again I point to the settings page where it says:
Originally posted by the PlaneShift team
The city of Yliakum is a melting pot of races with different culture and origin, mixed and integrated by living together over the centuries. Racial suspicion and hostility are completely unknown, given that the greater part of people belonging to one race is normally married to someone of another race.
So please explain just how your beloved racism is going to fit in there?
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What about wars between lesser non-intelligent races, like the ones that just rade settlements & do not have much language skill?
Sort of like the sand-people in starwars.
I do not want to see hostilities between playable races!
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I DO NOT like this idea :)
I may be worng but this is what the devs want to avoid.
Racial wars mean massive PK and as we all know PK=BAD.
So far i havnt heard anything about wars in PS. Almost all if not all mmorpgs have such wars. Its like a standart. Planeshift is more original(so i hope :P) and not only based on some silly wars.
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Species wars (http://planeshift.oodlz.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=6643&boardid=11&sid=1e01f1378c76ec57b42b8dea60072789)
\"Look before you leap, or else you may jump into a pit full of sharp, pointy objects.\"
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i dont think its a good idea because lots of guild would be split up. i dont think the species wars is a good idea either.
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lol, I think that we don\'t really need racial wars. I am pretty sure some people just won\'t like a certain race (ie: The Cabal and Elves). No need to force a Rp element which will most likely be in the game neways
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I agree... 8)
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Pfft, of course you do, I am a genius :D
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Well it would work in a sence, perhaps there could be isolated towns where the race living there beleive themselves superior to all others. They could be extreamly hostile towards all other races, it would be intresting if you needed someone of that race to obtain certain items from the city or town.
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its a great idea and guilds wont split they will be stronger... if the grumpy racist dwarf shop keeper sells to you at twice the price it is only logical to get a dwarven friend you trust to help... perhaps a guild member?
If you dont take part in the racisme you will be pulled together in oreder to beat it.
also if the game is to have a moral feature... taking part in race wars could lower it and interacting with your enamie race could make your moral better as you have risen above childish differences.
YOU KNOW IM RIGHT
(and if you disagree your probably a silly little dwarf, minning away my rocky homeland!!!)
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instead of such a strong thing like racism why not have something lighter like racial grudges which is popular thing in many games, books and fantasy settings.
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well thats what i meant but your always gonna have extremists that will want to prove they are the better race... why not make it a game feature instead of an anoying think PvPers do...
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This racial wars suck , i think we sould brin religion to this world , there could be multiple religions which would fight against each other , you could join a religion a fight for its honor , a we should pick the leader for each religion , a player leader , and they could start wars , we would fight for our religion. If you want to start a war you should , start it whit a reason , and religion is a good reason.
To the Fight my Friends
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there are already religions in Planeshift, and religious wars have been in the thinking box.
templars of steel - worship STEEL
followers of aliathi - worship aliathi
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Okay, you can not have religious wars if you don\'t have race wars, for the reasons you have outlined. Both are bigotry and prejudice, so if one is allowed, they both should be. Personally I think both types of wars ARE strong RP elements, but in this case Race Wars are out; the devs say they are at peace, thus no racial hatred. People are thinking of these races as though they were in Faerun or Middle Earth, or some other fantasy world... this isn\'t right. They are from planeshift, and their lore is Planeshift lore. Think of their characters as the devs say you should, after all, they are the devs\' creations.
With religious wars... can players start their own cult to some unknown or imagined god? or are there limitations in Planeshift?
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Would the wars be the main focus of the game or would they be a sort of side story aside from the main plot of the game?
I think a war as the main focus of a game would get boring eventually, and that, rather than have it as a main plot driver, the devs could enable a system where player associations can become engaged in war with other PA\'s. There could be diety specific PAs whose beliefs would force them to war on other PAs.
This would allow players to decide who is at war with who, so the process can change continually as alliances and new PAs come into existance.
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definitely side story, no doubt about it... that would be a terrible storyline...
ummm... do MMORPG\'s like this will be have a storyline?
Does Everquest have a story line? Star Wars Galaxies? I\'m not sure how they could really work in a storyline... that would lead to a conclusive objective, which as I see it, is impossible.
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SWG has a storyline, which is usually in the form of a series of quests players can complete. The quests are only available for a litle while, and then, depending on how many imperials and rebels completed the quest, they decide whose side is currently winning (im pretty sure thats how it works. It might be a little more complicated).
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Originally posted by Adeli
definitely side story, no doubt about it... that would be a terrible storyline...
ummm... do MMORPG\'s like this will be have a storyline?
Does Everquest have a story line? Star Wars Galaxies? I\'m not sure how they could really work in a storyline... that would lead to a conclusive objective, which as I see it, is impossible.
All games have a storyline, like it or not. There is both the game\'s storyline, the players\' storyline and the quest storyline. For example, the beginning of a player\'s storyline is when he is lvl 60 and sitting somewhere, talking to his friend and saying \"Remember back at xxxxx-place when we were newbs?\" That xxxxx-place is the beginning of the story, a place where a lot of people start and then develop their own story to play. The game storyline starts diffrently, like PlaneShift. It started 10 years ago as a MUD and is now a 3D MMORPG in development. That\'s a story in itself. So yes, both EverQuest and StarWars Galaxies have storylines. They may not be very RolePlay adapted, but they\'re there.
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I don\'t like the idea. Why should racism be allowed and part of the game?
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yeah, on the whole you cant really avoid racism between races. but come on about the kids????? if u get a kid hating a certain cat race in this game what does that mean???? hes gonna be racist towards cats in real life? i can see what you mean and maby if there wer the equivelant to redguards in morrowind it might cause a porblem,
because the white ppla nd black ppl and all that, it could end in tears. but there are only 2 human races: people and small people. so we dont have nothin to worry about really.
and when i was 13 i new a game was a game, but fair enough i see where your coming from. i was thinking bout just enrolling humans into my guild but the only problems are ur friends of other races might get a bit miffed.
so thats the only real problem i see. but in morrowind that dark elves hate every1 and the orcs are all warriorish. each race has a totally different culture and belives.
i know its not gonna happen but for people to have just single race guilds, they need to read about all the different races and their belives before they choose a character and choose the one thats is most like them,
i cant say id do that tho i chose the human coz he was the only one with facial hair, that didnt look over 60 :D
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I\'m not exactly sure about this, but you could probably create a guild for your cult and start a guild war with another guild that has another cult. Like a normal guild war. I\'m not sure about \"one race only\" guilds, because for the various reasons already presented there is no \"justification\" in the race alone. You could, however, find special characteristics that make one race especially suited for something and if your guild is some sort of elite thingy they could therefore only accept ppl. who do have this natural benefit(s) (like Enkis for thieves\' guild), thus, only one race. If there are some of these guilds, they could go to war as well, but it still wouldn\'t be about race but for the guild\'s influence (so they\'d battle multi-raced guilds in the same way). They might even become arrogant and think they are the best (and might well be it), but they\'d disrespect any non-guild member of their own race as well IMO.