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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Yarulion on August 03, 2004, 12:45:05 am
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As far as the Blackflame Clan is concerned, (and the BO too, apparently, after reading their website) the Dark Alliance is reformed and whole once again. At this time I would like to request that the leadership of the remaining guilds (including but not limited to the Dark Empire, Black Order, Hellsing, and ForsakenOnes) friendly to BFC to contact me. PM me with your information and I will supply my own. I look forward to hearing from each and every one of you. If you can, go ahead and send me a membership roster of your guilds (those of you in the alliance - if you\'re just friendly this is not necessary :P ). I will say nothing further for security reasons. And for those of you who do not remember, my e-mail address is seregon_blackflame@yahoo.com.
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Forsaken Ones disbanded just a little while ago. Hellsing hasn\'t been around for a long time.
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Hasn\'t Hellsing been dead for over a year or more? For awhile, I think, it was just in Alucard\'s sig, but not really there. ;) Wow, a big alliance plan, ya got there Yaru. Gettin\' down and dirty after the return of smirty. Sorry, I had to make it rhyme. :rolleyes:
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It\'s nice to hear Dark Alliance has been reformed. Thanks for Blackflame.
I have sent you an e-mail about Black Order
Kris
Black Order/Dark Emperor
http://black-order.ath.cx
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Well when I left last time Alucard was talking about (maybe?) reforming Hellsing and the FSO was about to band together behind Annah. I never heard any news about either so I included both. Speaking of which, where in the world is the Dark Empire during all of this? Aelya on vacation or something?
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Good to see you back in the neighbourhood Yarulion :)
Oh yeah, and as far as I\'m aware FSO are just fine - they haven\'t disbanded.
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Good to be back, Tavern Queen! ^^
How about putting us back up on that luverly site of yours?
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Originally posted by Yarulion
How about putting us back up on that luverly site of yours?
It\'s already done ;)
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Where did the princess go?
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Originally posted by Kada-El
Good to see you back in the neighbourhood Yarulion :)
Oh yeah, and as far as I\'m aware FSO are just fine - they haven\'t disbanded.
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=9608&boardid=18&styleid=3&sid=56dee3251a22207479b1f6ba4af19433
Sorry to burst your bubble. If I were to disband a guild, I\'d e-mail you, don\'t worry.
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Originally posted by DevotedEternal
Though, to my astonishment, the guild is fine again. I suddenly recieved a massive influx of membership applications... so what I\'m going to do is dedicate a minimum of 10 hours a week, no matter what and try one last time to get things started back up. 8) :]
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I, am not awesome.
I mean..um...FSO isn\'t dead, just almost. :baby:
Aelya will probably \"return\" sooner or later....then leave again.
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Originally posted by Kiern
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I, am not awesome.
I mean..um...FSO isn\'t dead, just almost. :baby:
Aelya will probably \"return\" sooner or later....then leave again.
I have to read threads now? What\'s the world coming to? :(
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Call me stupid but:
Originally Posted by Dameon of the Mirth Guild:
You can\'t do that kind of thing to us friend. You gave me quite a scare. I also considered offering to take over the guild for a second. Then I read the rest of your message. Thank goodness that you are not to leave. We must re-kindle our alliance to where it was in its prime. Welcome back my friend.
So neutral with ties to the good side? But then in this thread:
Originally posted by Yarulion of the Blackflame Clan
As far as the Blackflame Clan is concerned, (and the BO too, apparently, after reading their website) the Dark Alliance is reformed and whole once again. At this time I would like to request that the leadership of the remaining guilds (including but not limited to the Dark Empire, Black Order, Hellsing, and ForsakenOnes) friendly to BFC to contact me.
So which is it? Are the Forsaken Ones part of the DA or friends with the DA, or with the Mirth Guild and the Citadel of Light?
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Dameon isn\'t from Mirth, he\'s from the Circle of Legends. :D
I personally can\'t speak for FSO\'s relationships with the DA, but I consider them as friends of Mirth. They have often supported our goals in the past. :)
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Well, still part of the Citadel of Light right?
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Three points to add here:
1. Dameon isn\'t in Mirth (I know this was already said but that was a funny mistake.)
2. They are neutral, why can\'t they be friends with both?
3. I don\'t have a problem with Mirth and the BO and Mirth are steadily building their relations.
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fso is an unofficiall ally with BO... atleast it was when annah was around
edit.... hellsing died? i never heard anything about that... they just faided into oblivion
edit.... what is the Citadel of Light....... never heard of it ... but then i dont pay much attention to guilds
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Originally posted by Levski
Well, still part of the Citadel of Light right?
Nope, I refer you to Halfpint\'s sig. The CLA is just the Defenders and Mirth. For now.
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Whoops, thanks :).
For some reason I thought CoL was part of the CLA... guess not. So I guess that answers my question.
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Originally posted by Levski
For some reason I thought CoL was part of the CLA... guess not. So I guess that answers my question.
Might be because it\'s been refered to as the CoLA, which could imply CoL alliance... or some kind of soda :P mmm, do-gooder soda. :D
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Does do-gooder soda come in low-carb? (Everything else seems to.)
Anyway, just so all the members of all the guilds (even the nosey ones) know, it\'s been a while and I am still awaiting a response from any member of the Dark Empire, DevotedEternal, and anyone affiliated past, present, or future with Hellsing.
Where are you guys?
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Hellsing is long dead, long long dead...way before you even came here. Alucard closed it down because me (that should tell you how long it has been, I\'ve been in OI forever now) and Shockfire were the only (active) members and he didn\'t care that much anymore. Also, Alucard is banned from these forums, by his choice, so that is why there is no reply from him.
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Thanks for the info. As I said before, I had heard rumors of a second coming of Hellsing, but before that was the only time I had ever heard of it. Yes, it was inactive before I ever had heard of PlaneShift.
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meh Dark Alliance -_- live short...prosper none...die by my blade!
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Did anyone else hear something?
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Originally posted by Yarulion
Does do-gooder soda come in low-carb? (Everything else seems to.)
Anyway, just so all the members of all the guilds (even the nosey ones) know, it\'s been a while and I am still awaiting a response from any member of the Dark Empire, DevotedEternal, and anyone affiliated past, present, or future with Hellsing.
Where are you guys?
You should probably e-mail the Princess, she doesn\'t drop by here much.
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Well I\'m around, but the guild is kinda of up in the air.... it\'s teetering between death and life.
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I\'m around :P Those that wish to rant/comment/talk to me, your best bet is to email me at princess_aelya@yahoo.com
As for the DA...As far as I am concerned there IS no DA right now. Annah left BO and probably PS as well, and the BFC went inactive. Those were the only DA guilds. Hellsing was one of the original DA guilds along with BO, but Helsing is long gone. And The forsaken ones were NEVER apart of the DA.
BUT I have no objection to reforming the DA starting with the BFC.
Again, if anyone wants to talk send me an email and ask me to get on a messanger (doesnt matter which one, I have them all :P)
Also...I may leave and dissapear for periods of times, but I doubt I will ever leave for good :P
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Annah was not Black Order. As far as I\'m concerned, we have one less member now that he\'s gone. But as Annah said so often, Black Order will be around for a long time coming.
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with this surge of neutrality, i\'d change the name/split from the DA into another *A.
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Black Order, except for a brief period of Lawful that Annah decided on after the return of Aelya, has been neutral for quite a while. We were even allied with Mirth at one point.
Although BO is neutral, I\'ve always thought that it is still not a guild for good characters. The Dark Alliance is one of the things that helps define it, IMO. No Dark Alliance, and BO is a different guild.
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I must agree with Joeyguy on this point. My fledgeling guild was not yet fully developed when Annah stepped in, having noticed my recruitment thread. If you take away the Dark Alliance from the Chaotic Neutral Blackflame Clan, you leave a shell of a guild that lacks a purpose, or really anything except ideals to draw new members. I, at the time, did not know Yliakum well enough to define those things. It is the history of both of our guilds that make them what they are, and it is the alliance of Black Order, Blackflame Clan, and the Dark Empire into one all-powerful force of darkness that can make or break the reputation of every guild involved. How many times have we all been recognized as \"evil\" guilds though the Dark Empire is the only evil one? And even then the guild is lawful evil (so they show some restraint, not chaotic evil insane murderers or some such)!
So it has come to this. It is time to reveal publicly my plans. Since the beginning of this very thread that you now read, I have been contacting old friends and allies, attempting to begin a process which at its completion would yield a powerful force to be reckoned with. The membership of the Blackflame Clan (which is greater than most of you know) and the membership of Black Order has been working together tirelessly since my return to put together a single guild, which is to be known as the Dark Alliance, that will support the membership of all guilds involved in the project. It was the original hope of the initiative to have the guild led by a triumvirate - myself, Kris, and Aelya. The guild would proudly bind together the Black Order, Blackflame Clan, and Dark Empire into a lasting alliance, not just contractually or verbally agreed upon, but woven into a structure that would call for the disbanding of each guild to allow full participation in the union. Kris and I especially have been involved in this, working out a guild history and philosophy befitting such a union, and detailing the nine ranks that would be therein contained. For a frustratingly long time, though, my private messages and e-mails have not been answered except when the recipients were of my own guild or my friends in the Black Order (excluding Psycon, their newest member, with whom I have had no contact).
At this point it is my intention to declare openly on these boards the project which is now fully underway, and to ask any who read and could potentially be involved, are you with us or against us? The Black Order and Blackflame Clan will now almost certainly merge and become one, but as both of us have stated clearly, the union will not be pure without the full consent and participation of the Dark Empire. There is little to be lost, and much to be gained. You may also notice that previously in this thread many times was mentioned the need to speak with members of the ForsakenOnes and Hellsing. My questions about the latter were answered as per Kiern, which was to say I have finally been given some clue as to who Hellsing ever was besides General Alucard. As for the former, I have been been playing \"PM tag\" with Windwalker a bit but that\'s about it. Dark Empire and ForsakenOnes, the time is now. I wish to know what your feelings toward this are. As the ForsakenOnes were not involved in the Alliance itself, their guild lore has not been incorporated into the plans for this new guild. However, if they do disband, as they seem to be on the brink of doing, I would gladly extend membership to each and every former member of theirs.
This undertaking is ripe, and already it has gone much further than I had anticipated to only have partial participation from the Allies. I will, out of courtesy, halt my guild\'s involvement in the project, until an answer one way or the other is received from those to whom I have extended an invitation. What say you all?
[edit] Until this issue gets resolved the BFC will have a temporary website. Please forgive the lack of effort and the geocities hosting until I can get either (a) a Dark Alliance all-encompassing page up or (b) a new and improved website for the Ciphers!
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ha! I just said the name is not fully befitting. DA sounds to me like a an A of a bunch of liches and their minions...
A guild merge sounds great to me - there are less guilds, but more quality is involved. So good luck with the effort, but remember it\'s vacation time. ;)
good, good :]
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What would the alignment of this new guild be?
If it is evil, you can never have the support of the Citadel of Light.
And remember, whatever your declared alignment, evil deeds will make you evil in our eyes.
Try not to stray too far from the path of the Light, my friends. :)
OOC: Good luck! It is nice that two guilds that are so similar are merging. Otherwise, we find ourselves with clones..
*cough* Champions of Yliakum *cough*
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Alignment is a question which has plagued this discussion repeatedly since its inception.
I, personally, will retain my alignment of Chaotic Neutral.
As for the concept-guild, the Black Order wishes for neutrality or at worst a lawful evil. I had originally thought lawful evil would be the most fitting, for although not all members are evil, the \"collective\" alignment would be best described as lawful, because we are highly organized and oligarchic, and evil because, well, I just don\'t see this guild taking a neutral or back-seat role. Plus a lot of people think of us as one of the main sources of evil in the land. We would be a disapointment to PS if we made this powerful merger and left you guys with only the Cabal and Militia to deal with. It would be just shameful. :P
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Originally Posted by Yarulion
We would be a disapointment to PS if we made this powerful merger and left you guys with only the Cabal and Militia to deal with. It would be just shameful. :P
And Incensio Tenebrae. Can\'t forget IT. The initials, IT, are so easy to remember, you should, well, remember. That\'s right. We are evil and we are here. Good day...for now. :]
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indeed im insulted you neglected to notice IT yar........then again with work moving out and lack of a smelly over aged howler monkey named dorbian there hasent been much of an effort from this end.....this should change when.....umm.....oh ya know when i get round to it......
Cabal is little more then a few trolls sitting in a cave drawing faces on the pictures of a newspaper someone felt sorry for them and gave them for bedding
metal mi...ma.....the stupid guild with the guy whos name is a funny hat is utterly pointless and there objectives contradict themselfs its worrying they have lived so long :|
so yea your only choice of a good ol fasion \"burn the villages while they sleep set the women on fire and use the childern as crossbow target evil\" is with the IT
any questions feel free to contact our howler monkey
this shameless whould be convo turned plug was bought to you by Seperot the rogue you cant help but trust no matter how many times he steals your shoes.
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Well all this member swapping with the followers of aliathi you seem to be doing makes IT more of a good guild then an evil one ;)
Beh, Cabal still outnumber all 3 of your guilds :P And if you do merge then you\'ll be seen by us an an evil guild, unless DE suddenly changes it\'s alignment to neutral before joining.
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The Dark Empire is an original and old school PS guild, I intend to keep it that way by not throwing away everything we stand for, for a merge. It\'s a matter of principle. So I will make this very clear to everyone:
THE DARK EMPIRE IS AN ORIGINAL GUILD AND IT WILL STAY THAT WAY, THIS MEANS WE ARE NOT MERGING WITH ANY OTHER GUILD!
Any rumors of the DE that concern merging is FALSE. It is very doubtful it will ever happen. True, I once thought of a merge with BFC, but then I realised I just dont want to do that.
DE\'s alignment is NOT UP FOR DEBATE. We are lawful Evil based, and will stay that way.
I do not mean to discourage the idea of other evil guilds merging, I am just saying that as of now (and doubtful even later) the DE is not apart of it.
Why do I not want to merge? Well my concerns are this:
1. I prefer to stay in a guild where RP\'ing is of high priority. The DE rules for membership state that you must RP to be in the guild. If we were to abide by this merge, whats to assure that rule is preserved, and to its full effect? I don\'t believe simply stating \"you must RP\" is enough. it must be enforced.
2. We are talking about 3-4 evil guilds merging here. This means 3-4 different groups with some things in common, and some things not so in common. And it is my experience from previous MMORPG\'a ive played that merged guilds are much more prone to internal conflict than seperate and independant guilds. Even merging 2 can be problematic, let alone 3 or 4.
3. The DE is militant based as it always has been. And is yet unique in its own way. Merging will not help to preserve this. Maybe the \"new\" DA would be militant based, but it just wouldnt have that classic DE feel ive always loved.
So to sum it up in regards to the DE\'s stance on BFC, and BO:
Merge=No
Alliance=Yes
Object to BO and BFC merging=No, by all means, merge as you wish.
Thats my official statement *attaches the Dark Imperial seal* :P
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Heya my love ;)
You still hold the same thoughts. Well, I don\'t think that many know it, but a merging was tried almost an year ago also. Everyone wanted, except one person ...
I am not a BO member anymore, so what I will tell I think you will be about everyone involved in here.
When we created this guilds Aelya, a looong time ago, we made it to gather all the friends in them, now I kinda saw that these goals slowly dissappeared, and the quest for power has begun.
The time of the old guilds, has long come, and we really can\'t do anything to prevent this. Of course, we could just say a big NO. But what will you do? Live in shadows all the time? Always stay with one foot in the grave? Why everyone is so stubborn ... just for one name. Because if you think well, everything spins around the name ... about a stupid rank. Everything that has a beginning, has an end.
And not only Matrix proved it :) This is an old saying ... :P
Anyway, I PMed Yarulion with some new ideas and stuff, like I said, maybe I\'ll be inactive, but I will never leave PS ... never.
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Um... you did? Cos I never got that PM.
Unless you\'re referring to one about a week ago... and you just told me you had some new ideas and stuff... not really what they were...
Anyways, I will not make public my feelings on this matter further, except to say I am very disappointed. Without the support of the DE (or rather of Aelya, as the one guy I know in DE liked the idea :P ) the plans have come to a grinding halt. Any merger involving any of the aforementioned guilds is at least on hold (possibly just absolved) until something else can be decided.
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Welcome back Yarulion, been a while.
As far as updating: Alucard is a member of the Calen Vakhar (My guild) and I am no longer a member of the DE.
Oh and good to see you\'re still alive Aelya.
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Good to see you, too, Aendar. Good luck with modding and the new guild. :))
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Well I\'m not one to give up just like that Annah, you know me better than that. What do I want out of it? I want to forge a PS legend some day, in the name of the DE. It\'s a matter of spirit and pride, and I am not ready to throw it away.
Good to see you to Aendar, I see your a mod. Congrats :D
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Yeah good luck with your *new* guild :P
I think CV is older that I am, and I am pretty old...kinda.
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Apparently not... cos there are tons here older than me and Aendar was DE when I was here.