PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: boutus on August 04, 2004, 10:03:49 am
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hello,im guessing after CB realise its gunna be some while before SB,and its inevitable that ur gunna get some sad ppl who spend hours and hours a day online,i should know im one of them.
i just wanted to know if theres gunna be alot of things for the higher lvl CB characters to do?
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If you actually rp, there will never not be anything to do. If you just want to powerlvl, then things are gonna get boring ;)
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who said anythin about power lvling? like i said,its inevitable that ppl will reach high lvl in CB,it happens in any game,i jus wanna know if planeshift will offer anything unqiue in that department.
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Originally posted by boutus
its inevitable that ppl will reach high lvl in CB
It\'s quite unlikely that ppl will reach a high level in PS, because there are no levels in PS (only skills)...
I haven\'t heard of anything special/unique for high skill characters that don\'t want to rp.
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Heh, you realize that every second n00b doesn\'t want to roleplay now a days...I blame...hmmm....Aendar!!!
Anyways, maybe we should make it more evident that it is mainly roleplaying.
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so if theres skills im fairly sure ppl will max them out,trust me,if u dont know people do this its you two who are the complete newbies.
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You have fun maxing out every skill in the game, meanwhile, we\'ll set you up for your grand 50th birthday!
Anyway, you do realize that RP is a big part of Planeshift, and if you don\'t like RP, you\'re probably better off at another game. However, if you want to get ze phat lewt, we wont stop you.
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After CB content will be added much more often. So they say...
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Maxing out every skill in the game = powerlvling
If you care about having uber high skills, then you powerlvl :) Especially as you lose skill pts if you don\'t use skills, so you\'d have to train 24/7 to keep everything. And you can\'t \'max out\' the skills. There isn\'t a max you can get :P Now who\'s the newbie ehh?
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I was going to say about \"no level\" but it has been said already... =P
Anyway, i can always join a guild and take part of guildwars. Or you can try to achieve hard things like being the best crafter (both armor and weaponry) there is, or the best cook, or the best whatever... or maybe you can try \"create\" your own empire... hiring people, playing a merchant role...
Or you can try to prove yourself as a great warrior by hunting the most dangerous creatures.
You can also go to the tavern have some ale and tell good old stories about the time when you were a little Ylian...
You can do any of this, and with some roleplay it can become something really fun.
As far as I know from the CVS and all the rumors and posts, seems like CB is going to have a lot of content to keep you entertained.
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i did read somewhereon the forums that there\'s a simple craft system in cb already so you can have fun with that for a while, i dno if this is truly in the game already could be just a rumor
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Nah, people will powerlevel. Sure RP will be a huge thing in the game, but if all you want is people to RP then you don\'t need CB you can use MB. What I mean is, people do want uber high skills thats why they train, you don\'t want to have a huge guild war and not be able to fight at all...
People will powerlevel for the sake of RP also. \"Gee, I need to get all these swords in for Master Drake, or he\'ll have my head! I better go grind those easier swords so I can make the special order faster.\"
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should make it so that you have to RP X amount of time before any of your skills can go up, and then every 5% after that you have to spend another X amount of time RPing, that will get rid of non RPers and will make rpers jump for joy becasue they dont have to deal with noobies running around killing everything and screeming i L33t!
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How\'re they going to know whether you\'re RPing or just talking about music with your friends? Also that brings up another good thing... We need a good mute button... I cannot stress that enough, although there is most likely one already implemented.
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i got no idea ... but it would be nice ... how about lots of GMs? :P that will never work
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hehe maybe they could do GM sentries like guard shifts (yeah i know it would never happen)
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I sure hope that there is a limit. If there is no limit, then depending on how it is coded you will a)get a negative skill, b)crash your client, c)crash the server, or d)crash everybodies clients untill the server gets cleaned out.
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im pretty sure that there will be a limit
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Originally posted by theRealGorbulas
I sure hope that there is a limit. If there is no limit, then depending on how it is coded you will a)get a negative skill, b)crash your client, c)crash the server, or d)crash everybodies clients untill the server gets cleaned out.
I think there is a limit, but it\'s so high that it\'s impossible to reach. For example - the limit is 100 000, but you\'d have to play for a year to get 100.
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i doubt theyll have a limit that is impossable to reach although that would be cool
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It would actually be quite easy to have an unreachable limit on the server and on the way to client side from what I have seen, because the data is transmited as a string. The data would only be limited by the database. On the client side it would eat a lot of RAM unless they found a way to make the data type change depending on the size.
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Originally posted by Entamis
Originally posted by theRealGorbulas
I sure hope that there is a limit. If there is no limit, then depending on how it is coded you will a)get a negative skill, b)crash your client, c)crash the server, or d)crash everybodies clients untill the server gets cleaned out.
I think there is a limit, but it\'s so high that it\'s impossible to reach. For example - the limit is 100 000, but you\'d have to play for a year to get 100.
I always figured with the \"if you don\'t use your skill it will diminish\" thing that there would be no hard limit but if skills diminish faster the higher the skill then you will reach a point where you need to continue crafting swords every second of every day just to keep your skill at that insanely high level.
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and by the way,people who \"role play\" are just trying to act out a life they havent got in real life,thats probly the saddest thing ive ever layed my eyes on.
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Originally posted by boutus
and by the way,people who \"role play\" are just trying to act out a life they havent got in real life,thats probly the saddest thing ive ever layed my eyes on.
If you dont like roleplayers, why are you here waiting for a mmoRPG (massive multplayer ROLE PLAY game, if you dident know) Hmm, maybe some of us roleplayers doesent have a life, or want to have two life at once? i dont know...
well, I am an musican, giving out an album now and again, I run my own musicstudio/computer-service company, and i realy love my life. well, then again, i dream of to bee an old Druid alone in a hut in a huge forest, so maybe you are right after all.. hmm, or maybe not, depending on wich people you meet, but Powergaming is for those to weak in real life, those who always was outsiders, and in an MMOG get a chance to pe powerfull....
well this is a long an cunfusing post, sorry for that lol
Ps. tell us why Planeshift was so popular in the begining... (answare: powerplaying) and then nearly lost all players after a while (thats because powerpaly isent, and will NEVER be fun in the long run)
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Originally posted by boutus
and by the way,people who \"role play\" are just trying to act out a life they havent got in real life,thats probly the saddest thing ive ever layed my eyes on.
*considers flaming*
Ehh, I don\'t think PS is the game for you then...
MB = roleplay
CB = even more roleplay
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PS = roleplay
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Originally posted by boutus
and by the way,people who \"role play\" are just trying to act out a life they havent got in real life,thats probly the saddest thing ive ever layed my eyes on.
Role-playing is the entire point of RPG and MMORPG games. Better go play an FPS if that\'s your viewpoint on this.
Greetings,
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Lmao that roleplaying comment is hilarious!
Role play... to play a different role.
Hmmm, when a person roleplays its usually just to play as something different, it actually takes brains to roleplay, history, description, playing as the character\'s attitudes and feelings, its just a different gaming experience...
In essence every game is roleplaying, you\'re playing as something different than you but not actually completly controlling how they act and feel. Basketball games, playing as a star wars character, etc. etc.
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lol, yeah, that is like the stupidest thing I\'ve ever heard. XD
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Originally posted by boutus
and by the way,people who \"role play\" are just trying to act out a life they havent got in real life,thats probly the saddest thing ive ever layed my eyes on.
Then I suggest you leave this game before you drown in tears.
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I don\'t want this to break out into a flaming fest or something similar.
Boutus: It is impossible to play any rpg without some minor degree of roleplaying, okay? Roleplaying does NOT mean standing around, talking in character to people doing the same. You still adventure, sharpen your skills do whatever the hell you feel like... Roleplaying is taking the role of a protagonist in a story (the story being the game... PS in other words). It does not mean you spend your whole life thinking you are someone else. I suggest you clear up that little misinterpretation, before you DO get flamed.
Everyone else: if people want to powergame, let them... the game is as much theirs as it is yours, you have no right to stop them. Besides, prospects for powergaming seem minimal in a pre-alpha.. they\'ll get bored and leave eventually, leave us to rp to our hearts\' content, unmolested by \'evil\' powergamers.
I apologise for the length of this post. IMO people can play a game however they want... why should anyone have the right to stop someone else. My personal pref. is RP, powergaming bores me.
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Roleplaying a ranger who is a mercenary is not the type of life I want lol, but it is the kind of character I like. Anyway, I\'m a \"powerleveler\" (not exactly... not that snob boring n00bish type, more the one that plays a game a lot when he likes it) and I\'ll try to have important skills at high parameters, but not trying to max everything there is out there =P
I like to mine, I like to craft, I like to heal, I like magic, I like bows and I like icecream. With chocolate. That doesn\'t mean that I will max all these skills, specially the one of the icecream. I\'ll use them as I need and Increase as I say they are needed.
For the guy who said \"RP is sad\", you are aware that acting is the same as role playing right? the main difference is that roleplay involves playing. You must cry with comedies... Better not watch any dramas heh? Laterz.
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If you don\'t want to role play, or you think its \"sad\" cause you\'ve :
1) never tried it
2) Don\'t have the brain capacity to understand what it is/means
3) Suck at it because you\'re obviously an idiot
4) Are one of the masses of \"trigger reflex\" players out there who think a \"great game\" accounts for Counterstrike, Evercrap, Pokemon, Anygame with blood and guns or Diablo.
5) Or, you just stubbornly refuse to acknowlage the words Role Playing Game at the end of MMORPG.
Then fine, don\'t. No one is forcing you, but don\'t expect to be liked by many people (except geniouses like youself) or to have much fun out of the game. My suggestion, go play another game, possibly some crappy Action RPG, or some Korean MMO....you\'ll fit right in.
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Arn\'t flowers wonderful? Look at these beautiful daisies, mmmmm, feel the love. ^^
*Mogura runs away before she\'s seen*
*returns for a second*
Act your age, boutus. This post was very childish so I decided to make an example of you instead of delete it outright. Any more blatant foul-mouthed flaming and you\'ll be out of here permanently.
\"Cool Newbie\" is a forum rank by the way, smarty. :)
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I like powerlevelling every once in a while, but it inevitably gets boring & than break out the RP! or what?s more enjoyable it to powerlevel & RP with friends @ the same time...
(not sure if that\'s considered powerlevelling?)
Anyway it is fun to just make your skills increase rapidly, but it does get boring fast... 8)
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Adeli, noone is stupid simply because they\'re American. If you think this, then you definitely wont like some of the Dev team, and then you can just bugger off because they wont like you either. It\'s not racism, it\'s prejudies and we don\'t want that here as well as foulmouthed language and other things that involve \"You\'re bad but I can\'t give a reason for it\" things. You\'re not god, and you\'re not mod. You don\'t make the rules and when you try to make the rules, your post gets deleted. End of story.
Now, powerleveling will not be encouraged in any way during your stay in the PS world. Yes, it will be possible to powerlevel your stats to ub3r l33t, but you\'ll still just be some random person who has no influence what-so-ever. As Harwen stated, PS will not be to your liking if your only intentions are to be l33t d00d with max stats. That\'s what the asian MMOGs are for. Most of the gameplay will come from quests and talking to NPCs, which some of you might have noticed, and that is one of the things that will not be changed at all. There will be monsters to slay, there will be errands to run but if you can\'t talk to an NPC, and do it as if it was a real person, you\'ll suck big time. :)
While I\'m at it, I can just add a few facts about CB. 1) Lots of new NPCs, and lots of new dialogues (~10,000 new things to say), and that\'s with the first CB release. 2) New updater, and new ways of updating, thus more frequent updates. Probably daily or every other day. 3) New landscape generator. If there is some lack of hunting areas (not likely, but it could happen), it is not very difficult to just slap a 50 square miles into the game, or something like that. I\'m not much into how those technical things such as that work, I just know it does work. 4) There will be plenty of GMs to manage things ingame. Initially (as far as what I know) it will be Developer GMs, and later on they will be replaced by player GMs as the advice system is properly integrated with the players, and people know how to use it to ask for help. 5) NPCs will be smarter, and it will be easier to make them recognize even more words, however things like \"plz gimme qwest\" probably wont be understood, so those of you who say \"sry I\'m french/russian/spanish (or whatever)\", you\'d better start learning proper english if you plan on sticking around for good. It\'s not a demand, it\'s just a good advice. :)
So play nice all of you, and more flaming equals more deleted posts, and noone wants to have a deleted post count which is higher than the actual post count, right? And no throwing with sand in the sandbox. Have a nice day.
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Originally posted by Gronomist
Adeli, noone is stupid simply because they\'re American.
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Sorry Gronomist, but where in this topic did he say that? Really, I mean, I can\'t find it. Perhaps this part of the reply was to another post?
(I don\'t mean so sound rude, just confused).
Anyway, it is possible to powerlevel and roleplay, but many powerlevelers don\'t roleplay and that I think is way many people are against it. I myself powerlevel and roleplay, I see nothing wrong with it. Now, trying to max out everything is just insane O.o Thinking of it, one who tries to achieve a great skill of something may be a powerleveler just as much as one who tries to max everything. Anyway, fun is what matters the most, and with some good RP things are always more fun =D
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Originally posted by ForteX
Originally posted by Gronomist
Adeli, noone is stupid simply because they\'re American.
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Sorry Gronomist, but where in this topic did he say that? Really, I mean, I can\'t find it. Perhaps this part of the reply was to another post?
(I don\'t mean so sound rude, just confused).
When you\'re confused, it\'s often a very good idea to re-read the post that confused you. :)
It\'s not racism, it\'s prejudies and we don\'t want that here as well as foulmouthed language and other things that involve \"You\'re bad but I can\'t give a reason for it\" things. You\'re not god, and you\'re not mod. You don\'t make the rules and when you try to make the rules, your post gets deleted. End of story.
Pay attention to the last two lines, as they quite explain why you can\'t find the post around here. I deleted it, simply because it was easier than modifying the flaming out of his post and leaving it with a single dot, and then deleting it for being spam. But anyway, yes it is possible to powerplay and roleplay, all depends on how you define both words. Roleplaying can be both standing on a street corner, talking IC with your friends, and it can be doing the NPC quests and talking IC with them. Then there\'s the mix of people who randomly add an IC note, and so on. Thousands of ways to do it, and none is more wrong than the other, simply because people lack the ability to specify what kind of roleplaying they want. :)
The same thing goes for powerplaying really. I can easily think of multiple scenarios including diffrent kinds of powerplaying. One is the drone-type lvlguy who kills monsters, loots monsters, moves on to the next monster, and repeats that for 8+ hours per day. Like I said in my previous post, such kind of playing style wont get you too far. You need to mix both training with participation. Then there is the powerplayer who goes for ingame power by being the biggest and the baddest, killing anything that dares offer a duel or dares enter a free-PvP zone. And last, but not least, there is the powerplaying roleplayer who gets power through words, and has an extreme way of making their sentences hurt or help, but who are either weak or simply middle class on the battle field, and who try hard, but can\'t really catch up with the best of the drone-lvlers. All three above are powerplayers, they\'re just all seen from a diffrent perspective, yet eventually they all end up in a bowl labelled \"n00b\" or \"omgwoahl33td00d\". PS will have a good amount of each, yet they wont prosper easily, and they\'ll have to actually start using their brains to get ahead of others, which might be a fun change, compared to asian powerlvl MMOGs, which people so frequently call MMORPGs. :)
Anywho, enough yibber yabbing for now... I think I got a little off topic somewhere... Oh well. It happens, even to the best. ;)
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compared to asian powerlvl MMOGs
Easy on the racial prejudices there :P
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Okay then, sorry. Not really my intention to offend.
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Grono, thanks for clearing things up, because I re-read the whole topic about three times and found nothing about that so I was kinda like...\"Huh?\".
Yeah, like Grono said, there are lots of tipes of roles to play =D
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Yeah, same here ForteX.
What is this, rant month Grono? :baby:
Anyways, I\'m sure I could think up reasons to argue every side...as so nothing in this area will come from other\'s people\'s opinions but from the developers opinions on this subject, and as has been shown time and time again, it won\'t be changed by a post.
And, as has been shown many times as well here, is that very few things about Planeshift is definite, for all anyone knows it may very well become a powerleveling MMOG, more then likely not...but anything can change. Yeah, I know that is stupid, I just thought I\'d waste your time.
Thank you.
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thankyou for that insight kiern, you\'ve pretty much told us all that we\'ve wasted our time, which sadly is rather true isn\'t it? haha.
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I think Gronomist sumed it up quite nicely.
I really dont think we need to worry about the high level stuff cause in my opinion if anyone gets up to the max level possible in CB before the devs have had a chance to add more content they are obviously a power gamer and diserve to get bored and leave.
I\'m pretty sure that when CB comes out there will be enough content to keep everyone happy for several months.
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Originally posted by dfryer
compared to asian powerlvl MMOGs
Easy on the racial prejudices there :P
That\'s a coldblooded fact. :)
But alright, I dare you to find a MMOG, developed by an asian company that isn\'t about getting the highest level and the highest skills. But I\'m warning you already. If there is such a thing, it wont exactly be easy to find, simply because the asian culture is based around the idea of practicing what you want to be good at, day after day after day, in a drone-like fashion, so of course their games reflect this style of play. However, should you find a real MMORPG, that is asian, you had better tell me where it is, or else...! :)
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Maybe it\'s a little off-topic, but will the MB quests stay in CB?
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woot, flame fest!!!
Entamis: I don\'t think so, although I may be wrong. If they are, then they\'ll be extended I assume to make them more interesting.
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The thing as i view it is that leveling in overrated in context of any game where you compete against actual human beings and not calculating unflexible computer AI. You can fell humans without neccessary lifting a single finger or uttering a single syllable of a spell. That is what these games so interesting. The outcomes are not exactly algebra in action. So i have no problems having lvl 1000 berserkers in the game. The difference will be that when i fight them i\'ll make sure that no blows are involved;). There is more than one way of skinning a cat.
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Originally posted by dfryer
compared to asian powerlvl MMOGs
Easy on the racial prejudices there :P
Its not really a prejudice, its a fact. Asian game \"developers\" have the most number of boring, trite, pointless, shallow, chauvanist, money-grubbing mmorpg\'s out there than any other section of the world I can think of. I have alot of links...alot....if you think this is still prejudice just pm me, and I\'ll send you them, just play one and tell me if its not total crap. :)
By no means do I mean to prejudice anyone at all. Its like my saying \"American fast foods are fattening\" or \"Mopeds rock\"...fact of life. :]
*Edit: Oops, didn\'t realize there was a third page, though I was on the third page, Gronomist deftly handled that anyways :D
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Harwen, that is prejudice, not a fact. It\'s your opinion that Asian mmorpgs are boring, trite, pointless, shallow, chauvanist, and money-grubbing. And I seriously doubt you have played every single mmorpg in the world, so your accusations aren\'t legitimate. Although I must agree Lineage II is an absolute failure, that doesn\'t nessacarily mean that all Asian developers are the same. :rolleyes:
Race has nothing to do with a design of a game. Of course there are minor things that certain races tend to do more, for example, there are more Asian games that have anime content than probably most other games.(Simply because it is more popular and based in those countries, it has nothing to do with the race itself).
And you\'re proof that it isn\'t prejudice isn\'t exactly intelligent either. Most if not all fast food is considered unhealthy, regardless of race. And I can\'t flame you about the Moped thing because I have no idea what the hell that is 8)
Anyway, back to the topic. I don\'t think we should even be discussing high level content because Planeshift won\'t reach that point for quite a while...
-Zy
P.S. And don\'t say I\'m an Asian lover, because I\'m just trying to be fair.
[EDIT: Bunch of errors]
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This will be long due to quotes, please forgive me..
Originally posted by Gronomist
there is the powerplaying roleplayer who gets power through words, and has an extreme way of making their sentences hurt or help, but who are either weak or simply middle class on the battle field, and who try hard, but can\'t really catch up with the best of the drone-lvlers.
Just wondering Grono, could you provide an example of this type? I\'m really confused by that description...
Originally posted by Gronomist
yet eventually they all end up in a bowl labelled \"n00b\"
As for this, in my experience, it is those very \'powerlevellers\' that brand others with \"n00b\", this is because they feel superior, and why people who call others that amuse me, they think they are better for spending more time online. I found this abounds in a certain game I won\'t mention.
Originally posted by Harwen
Its not really a prejudice, its a fact. Asian game \"developers\" have the most number of boring, trite, pointless, shallow, chauvanist, money-grubbing mmorpg\'s out there than any other section of the world I can think of.
Lastly Harwen... I hate to say it, but you\'re wrong. It is a prejudice, just like what I said earlier in this forum. (and apologised for...) Zyphon is right. It\'s an opinion not a fact, judging by the sheer number of players, many people must like this sort of game. I myself find games like MU and PristonTale boring, but I respect that others like them.
Forgive the length of this post please.
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No, it isn\'t prejudice at all. It\'s fact, all asian made mmorpgs are boring, trite, pointless, shallow, chauvanist, and money-grubbing. I\'ve played most of them, and they keep me entertained a few hours while I powerlevel, then I realise that there is no point to the game other than to fight, fight, level up, buy new gear, fight some more, etc. etc. Show me an asian made mmorpg in which combat isn\'t the main point of the game, which has lots of quests which you can complete without fighting, crafting, and a large RP backround, then I\'ll say that you\'re correct. :)
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Its true nearly all asian \"mmorpgs\" are boring after 3 hours or so when you realize the only way you will keep up with any one is if you play 9+ hours a day klling monsters over and over and over and over till your head explodes from the monotny
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Sorry Xordan, still bias prejudice. Not that we really care. Most of us agree with you. Fact is, we are RPers, we like to RP, the people who play most asian MMOG\'s like to kill things, a lot of things, again and again and again and again... (sense a pattern?)
You have to realise that it does appeal to some people, and that they would see PS as trite and boring, not to mention monotonous. There are err... lots of things to do in hack\'n\'slash MMOG\'s. Some people desire only combat and 73|-| 1337357 weapons in a game..
Sifright, are you sure that they don\'t manage to cram more than 24 hours into a day? I\'ve played MU Online, for four of five days, made level 20 or so... Special character is unlocked at level 220, that would take years of part time gaming to achieve, they\'re doing something special.
[OT] I joined a clan...
errr that is Tyralus joined a clan. The Community, an upstart clan. I\'ll make myself a sig one day.
http://www.TheCom.cjb.net
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Originally posted by Adeli
Originally posted by Gronomist
there is the powerplaying roleplayer who gets power through words, and has an extreme way of making their sentences hurt or help, but who are either weak or simply middle class on the battle field, and who try hard, but can\'t really catch up with the best of the drone-lvlers.
Just wondering Grono, could you provide an example of this type? I\'m really confused by that description...
\"Hahahahaha I can take you out anytime. You stand no chance against my magical sword of lightning, and my armor can resist any weapon man has ever known! I\'ve slain dragons and balrogs and I can take out any person in the world!! Mwahahahahhahah*cough*.\"
\"Okay, let\'s go to the arena.\"
\"Ah.. Er... Well, I\'m having a day off. Tomorrow maybe. *runs off*\"
That would be a shining example of someone who is on a powertrip, while still keeping it very roleplay like. It\'s seen often, just without the roleplaying bit, and with a lot of n00b words in between, but I\'m sure you can recognize the style. However, if this player actually does accept the challenge and goes to the arena, he or she usually gets pounded to smitherness, unless the challenge was made by someone even worse than they are. People such as this are often the worst of the PvP\'ers since they just don\'t have what it takes to kill other people. :)
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Originally posted by Gronomist
...I dare you to find a MMOG, developed by an asian company that isn\'t about getting the highest level and the highest skills. But I\'m warning you already. If there is such a thing, it wont exactly be easy to find, simply because the asian culture is based around the idea of practicing what you want to be good at, day after day after day, in a drone-like fashion, so of course their games reflect this style of play. However, should you find a real MMORPG, that is asian, you had better tell me where it is, or else...! :)
Interestingly the PlaneShift server you\'re connected to is hosted in Asia. Well I don\'t know about you, but branding \"Asian\" MMORPGs as \'boring\' seems like prejudice itself! While I\'m not an intensive MMORPG gamer, I do agree that a lot of MMORPGs I see are centred around levelling etc. They need not be Asian of course, since the first thing that comes to mind when I think of powerlevelling is Diablo. I feel that there is an ingrained culture here (in Asia) where intense diligence and hardwork, which you casually label as \'drone-like\', seems to be the order of the day at least in East Asian countries such as China, Korea, Japan. This results in gameplay you don\'t like, but conversely, I am sure that lots of Asians who play this way wouldn\'t give 2 hoots about someone who\'s widely loved by the community and yet doesn\'t put 24 hrs into the game. The dislike works both ways.
While I would love to embrace all-encompassing statements about Asian MMORPGs such as how they can be \'boring\' and duplicates of each other, I think that the international reach of a number of MMORPGs and their inherent popularity speak for themselves - FFXI for instance. East Asia is the centre for MMORPG development. The most avid gamers, and those who play other games professionally, put an immense number of hours into training. I don\'t see why it would be deplorable for someone to do the same for PS, although I think a balance of mingling with other players should be required for someone to have more influence in-game.
I\'d like to suggest that your gripe is not entirely about being afraid of powerlevelling, but more that you\'d like to see a PlaneShift that is centred around the community, or politics ;) . Because of your bias against powerlevellers, which you rightly pinpoint come mostly from Asia, you need to feel comfortable entrenched in the mindset that PlaneShift is *only* about how you get around in the community.
We haven\'t got CB out of the door yet, but it\'s amazing the amount of speculation that I\'m seeing about how some people prefer PlaneShift run. Frankly speaking, I doubt any of us have a clue how it would turn out, although it is good to have aspirations and be involved in its development to influence what it becomes for everyone.
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Quick return to the topic before a flame starts...
Thanks Grono, I understand what you mean now. I agree they are the most annoying gamers by far. I remember a long time ago, some guy was trying to attack me in Diablo 2 (\'cuz im evil\'), and I made myself hostile, killed him and walked off. He was nowhere near a match for me... But he was set on killing me...
Grono, it\'s been asked before, but how do you know so much? You seem to be able to answer almost all questions... well except of course when they are about a certain date.. heh.
/me is in awe of Grono\'s knowledge.
/me is Forum As, wheeee
[edit] I forgot what I came here to post...
will there be areas in ps only accessible to those with a certain level in some skill or other? Or certain quests that require a high skill in something?
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Originally posted by Adeli
Grono, it\'s been asked before, but how do you know so much? You seem to be able to answer almost all questions... well except of course when they are about a certain date.. heh.
If you\'re talking about PS:
She doesn\'t :P She just reads the CVS, hangs around alot in the ps channel, and makes wild guesses and assumptions. :) And most of the time using a mixture of all that, you get stuff right. :) I do it all the time ;)
If your talking about everything else:
Too much free time ;)
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Ok, we don\'t care how many Asian mmorpgs you\'ve played, how much you\'re exaggerating, how much experience you\'ve had with such things, WE DON\'T CARE. The fact is, it is YOUR opinion. Not EVERYONE ELSES in the ENTIRE WORLD. There may be others who agree with you - but chances are, there are many who don\'t. So stop trying to prove that it isn\'t prejudice with your so called \"knowledge\". Opinion does NOT equal Fact - Get that in your head. This thread should be closed because everyone\'s flaming eachother and getting off topic...
-Zy
[EDIT: Hmmm let me put it this way...give me ANY example of a game that has MANY quests without combat, etc., is not repititious(Runescape wise), large rp game, does not have powerleveling, is not tedius, and boring. I doubt you can find a perfect one like that. AND PLEASE don\'t mention Planeshift because it\'s not even a completed game yet. You\'re just overlooking non-Asian mmorpg flaws because you are so centered around the fact that mostly Asian mmorpgs are stupid, trite, etc.]
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im sorry but i\'d much rather spend my spare time on here lvling up and finding items,then trading alot more than \"role-playing\",its stupid....the role players ive saw just stand around in a huddle and do this *sir egglamor eats an apple*...its for kids,sorry.
oh and by the way calling an asian MMO rubbish isnt racist in anyway if it is actualy rubbish....
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Originally posted by boutus
im sorry but i\'d much rather spend my spare time on here lvling up and finding items,then trading alot more than \"role-playing\",its stupid....the role players ive saw just stand around in a huddle and do this *sir egglamor eats an apple*...its for kids,sorry.
The idea is if you try to level up and find items WHILE role-playing. That makes the game most fun IMHO.
Greetings,
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i have no problem with that,but most people who have replied to this post make out they are totaly aggainst lvling up,like they gunna stay lvl 1 or skills at base lvl and jus run about the town,sry but thats wot u guys have made out.
and ill say it again,ITS ABSOLUTELY INEVITABLE that people will reach as higher skill lvl as they can in CB,no matter how much u bitch and moan,beggin people not to lvl instead sit about *eating fake apples* and other stupid role playing tactics people will still power lvl.
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lol, I\'m not against \'lvling up\', I just like to see a game which has other stuff to do as well. :) I try to make myself the \'ub3r l33t d3wd\', but I also like to be the local weaponsmith at the same time, taking orders, haggling for a decent price, beating out compitition(literally ;)) etc.
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Perhaps a more productive question (or rephrasing of the question) is whether or not there will always be challenges to a players skill level - this would apply to \"statistical\" skills (such as combat) as well as to \"role-playing\" skills (social status, connections etc.)
I would assume that as players become more powerful, difficult areas will be available but it will become exponentially harder to get your \"m4d sk1llz\" any higher, leaving the options of either enjoying your role or taking off :)
Edit: Also, sorry for touching off a largely OT debate on prejudice and Asian games - it really was just a lighthearted jibe :)
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Originally posted by Xordan
No, it isn\'t prejudice at all. It\'s fact, all asian made mmorpgs are boring, trite, pointless, shallow, chauvanist, and money-grubbing. I\'ve played most of them, and they keep me entertained a few hours while I powerlevel, then I realise that there is no point to the game other than to fight, fight, level up, buy new gear, fight some more, etc. etc. Show me an asian made mmorpg in which combat isn\'t the main point of the game, which has lots of quests which you can complete without fighting, crafting, and a large RP backround, then I\'ll say that you\'re correct. :)
Ragnarok...
I\'ll be waiting for your reply...
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ragnarok online?
that game doens\'t have alot more options then fighting, ok you have quests where you have to collect stuff without fighting and make things, but the main objective imo is still fighting to gain lvl\'s and rear items
altough its true that you can be a weapon smith and merchant, wich isn\'t around combat, but still the only thing everyone is talking about is about gaining lvl\'s and getting skills... but that\'s just my opinion
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actually ragnarok online is FULLY based on leveling. Pretty boring actually (unless you have great friends to play along) because you have to level to be able to do anything. Even to craft! And you get really limited on what you can forge.
I can\'t really think of any asian mmorpg which is not based around leveling... most mmorpgs are around leveling, it is something more recent that people are starting to look away from the cookie cutter. Of course, there are some mmorpgs that are not all about leveling, but they are quite rarer than the average grind games.
I\'m glad to see that there are games like GuildWars, Irth and Planeshift that are more interested in fun than grinding ;)
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As long as this game won\'t have certain classes
that will \'own\' the game, it\'s going to be great.
This happens to many mmo\'s, but recently i\'ve
played Knights online, Asian mmo :D and
currently playing Ultima Online, old school mmo.
Knights online I thought was the best game for first
week until i realized that it was horrible, yep it happens.
One class owns pvp, pvm and has best weapons in game, it\'s an assassins and archer classes..
Ultima Online, while rich and great game with role play
also has dreadful tamers :), people who can tame dragons and stuff who \'own\' the pvm.. It\'s like they peer pressuring you into getting tamers if you want pvm or forget about pvm pretty much.
Anyway, if this doesn\'t happen, the game going to be good.
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yeah its always unbalanced like that, alot of classes have 1 unique \"uber\" skill or ability and in some classes that ability is stronger then in other classes and that causes everyone wanting to be that class and then the game just sucks..., i don\'t think this will happen because you will be able to do anything you want with your skills so you\'ll always have advantiges and disadvantiges towards other players. at least i hope its like that :)
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While on the otherhand it allows you to toatally wreck your character by focusing on pointless skills and, after realising that they are just that, you can refocus your attention on something else.
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Originally posted by Arberar
yeah its always unbalanced like that, alot of classes have 1 unique \"uber\" skill or ability and in some classes that ability is stronger then in other classes and that causes everyone wanting to be that class and then the game just sucks..., i don\'t think this will happen because you will be able to do anything you want with your skills so you\'ll always have advantiges and disadvantiges towards other players. at least i hope its like that :)
I can always reveal now that in PS, mages will be better compared to warriors, however there is always the difficulty factor to think about. Just the current, simple combat system as an example. A warrior selects a target, a warrior attacks. Bang bang bang, dead. A mage however will first have to get the glyphs through quests, purify them, figure out a way to use them as a spell, combine the spell, find a target that isn\'t too difficult and hurts too much, cast a spell, run for his/her life, cast more spells, and so on. Then again, a mage can be grouped with warriors and recieve some protection if they take the hits, yet there are still the magic-loathing creatures who will hunt down the spellcasters and only stop if it gets killed or the spellcaster is... well, all over the place.
There is often a reason behind the madness, although some games seem to forget that reason part, and they just make some classes better than others for the sake of it. PS isn\'t like that, though. :)
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Mage\'s will be better? :D
But it makes sense though. They will be weaker in the beginning, and only after hard work they will become stronger. So it evens out, I think.
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I think that the distinction between mages and fighters is a good one - if a mage wants to kill something, the emphasis is on preparedness whereas a fighter can just draw her sword or bow and let loose. A mage caught off-guard should be very vulnerable.
I\'ve often wondered if magic powers (at least those commanded by a mage in the field) should never be very good at dealing \"immediate damage\" (i.e. fireballs, lightning, meteor showers, etc. etc.) but I\'m not sure if this would pan out. I guess I see magic using character as having a higher \"maximum attainable ability\" compared to your ordinary grunt, or even expert fighter. Perhaps this is part of my bias towards magic users; I prefer to see a few powerful ones and the rest performing \"auxiliary\" or \"support\" roles, instead of being able to form up ranks upon ranks of lightning-throwing mages.
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Originally posted by varsity
We need a good mute button... I cannot stress that enough, although there is most likely one already implemented.
Um, close your chat box maybe? You can do that in MB already :P
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Originally posted by boutus
i have no problem with that,but most people who have replied to this post make out they are totaly aggainst lvling up,like they gunna stay lvl 1 or skills at base lvl and jus run about the town,sry but thats wot u guys have made out.
and ill say it again,ITS ABSOLUTELY INEVITABLE that people will reach as higher skill lvl as they can in CB,no matter how much u bitch and moan,beggin people not to lvl instead sit about *eating fake apples* and other stupid role playing tactics people will still power lvl.
*ahem*
I think RP\'ers should be granted levels so as to keep up with fools like you. The other option is this: I mock you and make you look like an idiot while you stand there cursing at me thanks to the game\'s duel-based pvp system. *Laughs maniacally*
I\'m going to be out in the world, I am a Ranger after all.
Btw, technically, there are a lot of ways my character should be able to eliminate you. Most of them involving futuristic military equipment. If you read my char backstory, (and get through the whole thing ;)) you\'ll realize I ought to have a machine 17-18 times your height capable of smashing in your skull, and the rest of body. I should have a pistol with armor piercing rounds. I should have a computer built into my character\'s skull, enabling him to react at astonsihing speeds. Et cetera...
I probably won\'t be able to kill you in-game outright. Also, you\'ll note that I cannot have these weapons in game, but I\'ll have something you don\'t: Respect.
Please take time to use punctuation and captialization (correctly) when you post, it makes you look less stupid.
(Just trust me on that last point.)
...and yes, I do believe I\'m superior to you. Of course, that\'s my own opinion. I dare you to change it. :baby:
Edit:Originally posted by Icefalcon
Originally posted by varsity
We need a good mute button... I cannot stress that enough, although there is most likely one already implemented.
Um, close your chat box maybe? You can do that in MB already :P
Aineko\'s & Ciry\'s Mods have a /ignore function. It works beautifully.
I have reason to believe an ignore function implemented into CB. :)
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... I mock you and make you look like an idiot while you stand there cursing at me thanks to the game\'s duel-based pvp system
Until, say, an RP-encouraging GM puts you in auto-accept duel mode for taunting people :)
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Originally posted by dfryer
... I mock you and make you look like an idiot while you stand there cursing at me thanks to the game\'s duel-based pvp system
Until, say, an RP-encouraging GM puts you in auto-accept duel mode for taunting people :)
Heh, if he\'s cursing and screaming all sorts of OOC junk at me, what\'s the rp in that? If he doesn\'t rp, why would an rp-encouraging GM switch into auto-accept-duel? I doubt there even is such a thing.
You really ought to just let the power-levelers get mocked for wasting their lives gaining increasing virtual numbers...
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lol, Venge said summin about if you swear ingame, you become pk\'able by anyone for a period of time :D So the more they insult the better. :D
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That was discussed, as far as I know it\'s not actually implemented (but hey, you never know). Perhaps it\'ll be the taste of roleplay that people who play the game *solely* to \"gain lvls\" need :)
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In Runescape, I once sought perfection, but I realized that it would lose it\'s glory (and obviously force me into being a member for more fun). I became an anti-materialist monk and surprised everyone by roleplaying and telling them of their \"strange tounge\" and trying to convert them. That was so funny.
Well anyways, my sideways point was that it\'s no fun to be a perfect fighter. Sure, you can go out into a PK area and score some loot, but it is not fun when you already have everything.
Also, if everyone else role-plays one would feel left out, no?
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sounds like a really good idea to me :) I mean, in the Real World(TM) most fights start with someone being an arse to someone else ;) This would be a good way of doing it :) Maybe combine it with a whole system of that type of thing?
Ways of putting yourself in pvp mode:
- Swear (this one could be discussed, since not everybody thinks swearing is so amazingly naughty)
- Hitting another pc
- Setting oneself in pvp by gui (already in, I take it?)
More? :)