dontcha worry, dear Kerol, that was just a bad day... and anywas Master Moon has a very effective way of making me shut up. For good. For better or worse.

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very well, then. Agreed.

Funny how the first thing one learns in foreign languages seem to be the swears and cuses. 
I can't access the wiki and I;ve been working on some vocabulary. I'll try a few more times. If not, it'll be in the FL forums, being that it's experimental. I'll provide the link.

*EDIT* ya well, I published these here: http://flare.slyip.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=4032#4032... I'll try again, tho

I also like Shooree's method of implementing those roars and hisses: doubling or tripling the vowel sound, and depending on the sontext, the vowel would be accompanied by a roar or hiss. The purr can be achieved by a single "r", but emphasized by a double "rr". Right now I just want the basics to be worked on, such as building a lexicon and grammar and pronounciation method; we can get to the more complex parts such as the alphabet later...

I think you somewhat misunderstood what I was going to say, but yea, this way works as well. Maybe even better than mine. See, I was saying that "rrr" is a roar, and the vowel in front of it determines the sound of it. This was in place because, 1) I thought "aa" was a long "a"; and 2) so that you could basically both use the roar and not use the roar when calling someone an idiot. 
To clarify:

"Sa vaat'jho." Vs. "Sa vaarrrjho!" 

I thought that the first example didn't include roaring. It was a simple statement, in plain voice or whispered. The second example lacks the "t" because it gets swallowed in the roar. It is much more suited for combat crying (or drunken pub brawls). I would like to think that Enkis have come to realize over time that the other races do not readily appreciate their roars, especially not in crowded, populated, areas. In this light, being able to call someone an idiot without announcing it to the entire city borough is of crucial social importance.
Thoughts?

Don't delete it, though. Just ask Kerol to paste it somewhere where its easily accessible to us and still not in plain sight. Or just add *UNDER CONSTRUCTION*... on second thought, I'll do that myself.

Bah, it still kinda bothers me to see "no" used as a "no" in a language so far off from any human counterpart. But yea, I guess I will survive, even if it stays the same.

As to the writing system, if one is to be implemented, then yes, I very much agree with what you have said regarding it. The pronounciation of vowels, in my humble oppinion, can be left as "pure", as I see no need to make the common language phrases excessively rough. After all, we will hopefully implement roars and such onomatopeic niceties, which are bound to spice it up a little, no?   

About the ' and h now. The alphabet on the wiki lists the letter "Han" as being pronounced as the h in "hammer", but I am sure you knew that already. Now, why would we want to throw a perfectly good letter away? We could use, say, that same "niche" or maybe two of them, put togeter, to signify accented pronounciation of the preceding (or maybe, the following, would be a better option) sound? Then, the letter Han could be either left alone and used as the current alphabet suggests, or it could come to signify the hiss. Think of a domestic cat's response to seeing a dog - that is what I have in mind when I say "the hiss"; originating deep in the throat and with an intrinsic emotional value to the felines. It could help enormously when constructing aggressive/defensive/swear words, et simile. This is not to say that the same role could not be taken on by, say, W or Q. It is just that "H" seems like a godsend for the role.

I got carried away with this. Let me see if I can remember what other points was I to make... 

Oh yes. The length of the glottal stop. Personally, I think that it should be an audible interjection of silence (...did that make any sense? ...I'm in my bed and it's 3am...). Now, if my proposal for the salvation of the letter h gets accepted, the rules you propose could be carried out by the use of one (') and two ('') niches for the mid-word glottal stop and for accenting the following sound respectively.

Ok, now for some lightheaded deliberation concerning roaring and hissing.
What do you say about using repeated "r" for signifying the occurance of roaring, when writing Enkien in the English alphabet? I see Enki roaring in a sentence in a slightly more controlled, i.e. shorter, fashion, but with much the same intended intensity as say, lions. Ditto with the "h" for hissing.

I'll  try and illustrate:
Imagine two Enkis dueling, looking each other over before they leap... The moment comes and they toss them selves ferociously into the fight... "vaarrr'jho!!!" - one of them screams: a roaring insult, a mere idiot momentarilly degraded into an imbecile- cretin, impossible of coherent thought. His opponent, equally dismissive and enraged, screams "ulbrrreti dirhhh''gho!!" - literraly, son of an Ulbernaut.

Now, due to the fact that both roars and hisses are easily influenced by the vowel immediatelly before or after them, this is how I believe one should read words like the ones in the example.
1. the " vaarrrjho " - the long "a" flows into a roar, much like you and I would yell "aaaa!" in our deepest, scariest Count Dracula voice; but the resulting sound is about 3 octaves deeper and, well, 3 times as ferocious, I guess. The "rrr" is there as a symbol of a roar, then, determined by parameters. The niche (') is there to give more strength to the intrinsically insult-bearing -jho sufix. I hope I make my vision clear enough.
2. the " ulbrrreti " - the word would be pronounced very fast, the "ulb-" comming from the bowel, basically as a suffix to an immensly powerful yet short roar that ends in spitting the "ti" out.
3. thw " dirghhh''gho " - beginning with a loud "di(r)-" and then immediately transforming into a ahort, edgy, fightcall hiss. I was quite happy to include the two niches (a rule I made up about four paragraphs ago, which mind you, is not exactly a rule just yet)р that signiffy the strength and ferociousness of the "-jho" suffix, the lowest common denominator in Enkien. 

I trued pronouncing these, and they do indeed sound quite rough and ferocious, just what we need, for a bloodthirsty (prejudice) race of destructive felines (racial slur) that we are, IMHO.

To be honest, I'm a bit lost by now. I'm very tired and my thoughts are fleeting. I'll give this thing one more proofread and then I'll call it a night. Or go play Hobowars. Anyway, I'm very keen on getting your oppinion, guys.

Yes, indeed, Zhai. That is exactly what I was reffering to when I said that Darkmoon should lead this effort in every sense. I, of course, hoped that he will be able to answer all those crucial grammatical questions, because the issue of vocalbulary developement is comparatively easy and I find it more plausible that that part can be done as a communal effort. The rules that should guide the language, though, are best left to the creator himself though, I believe. This is not to say that any interested parties should refrain from contributing in that sense as well. It's just that I really would like to see, as well as hear, consistency. I hope you all catch my drift. With that being said, I'm off to examine the few Slavic languages I speak and their grammar... there's a few niceties there, that might just fit in. Cheers and good luck to all involved!

*EDIT* http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=26335.0  <---- the guy kickstarted the thing, but in a different subforum. If Darkmoon doesn't mind, wemight start from there? *EDIT*