yes my problem is that they both unexpectedly quit when opened, but me having a mac os x 10.1.5, am not sure if i am able to use the .jav thing that you have requested i use. when i try to open \"updater.jar\" nothing happens but an icon in the dock appearing (multiple if clicked multiple times) i expect that its because i have an older mac version ?? but im not sure. can my computer not open .jar\'s or what? this is annoying and i would like to know what i have to do in order to play this game.