Originally posted by Seytra

I wonder where you picked that up. There is no need to powerlevel at all. a skill system does not enforce powerlevelling. It can make it easier to do, but not enforce it. The state PS is in ATM requires grinding in order to level, yes. However, this is not a flaw in the skill system, it\'s an effect of the very limited set of available skills.

Originally posted by Rieto Peyuzar
The changes neccisary to fix this will be drastic, and will make the wipe required. At that point, I\'ll be happy to see it.

What changes do you envision? I think the MOB AI needs to get smarter and the MOBs need to be able to run, yes. MOBs are not there to be killed all the time, but they are also not there to be ignored, either. Try that with a lion IRL.
However, I also know that this is a very very hard thing to do, nd this won\'t happen anytime soon.

I think I had a lot of base, but whatever. You say you \"play it despite you find it useless\". This doesn\'t imply fun. In fact, it sounds more like you play it because of other reasons. Yes, we are testing it, and testing it is a valid reason to play. However, in this case, there is no reason for you to be unhappy with the wipe, because if you\'re testing, you don\'t need to care about the wipe, since you\'re not testing the wipe.

Originally posted by Rieto Peyuzar
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Originally posted by Rieto Peyuzar
A rat gives you 7 tria worth of loot, a tefu gives you 15 or so

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Obviously you confuse the state PS is in implementation-wise with what it is supposed to be(come). Right now, there is barely an alternative to killing, yes. But this is not by design, but simply because the rest isn\'t done yet! The argument of yours is like saying \"This table cannot be used to put anything on\", when the \"table\" consists only of two legs because the rest hasn\'t been manufactured yet!

I see your point, but what I mean is that you do need money to begin whatever your char really does. For example if your char is a miner you will need a pick, and a few levels of mining training. All this costs money, and how do you get money from scratch? you kill stuff, rp or not, you need an initial amount of tria to get started, so unless someone provides that for you, you go kill rats.

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This is true, but is this any reason to cater to them? Is this a reason to make them feel welcome, or at home? No, it is, at best, a reason to try to make it as hard to do and even harder to compare oneself to others, in order to minimise the number of these people.

Powergamers thrive anywhere a skill system exists. It doesn\'t matter if you penalize him for powergaming, he can still take on an army of the toughest monsters and win. besides, there is such a thing as a power-rper, how hard is it to say your character is one who cares not about money or politics, but solely about his skill with the blade? Or in contrast a man who cares only about being the richest guy around, with the most stuff or the most wealth, no matter the way he attains that objective?

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I find it sufficiently appealing as it is, and looking at the number of people who stay for a long time I\'m not the only one. We don\'t need everyone to test. In fact, we are building and shaping the future community of PS, and thus we must already take great care whom we accept and whom we reject. It is not the number of testers, it is the quality and mindset of them that matters.

Although I completely agree with you on this point, I must reiterate that not everyone thinks as you do. To you and me PS is a haven of RP and an example of what an MMORPG should be like. To young, ?b3r-1337 billy, it\'s a place where you need to talk like you have a bug up your ass and act like a geek. This is an RPG, and because of that the need to RP is obvious, but forcing people to isn\'t the solution. I think there are enough precedents of forcing the general public going wrong to prove my point. Besides, do you think the devs would like it if after they make a jewel like PS it ends up being played by a grand total of 30-60 people? I don\'t think so. I reiterate that it has to be appealing to a lot of people, and also that a lot of different people have a lot of different tastes for what they think is fun.

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The devs will do what they feel like doing, just as in any hobby project. They are not working for us, they are not in need to be woken up.
The only \"wake up call\" that I would want to make is that they should more often consider what PS\'s goals are.

The point of this thread is defined by that last sentence.

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In this light, as I have said elsewhere before, implementing combat first was a mistake, and the duelling points are nothing but a slap in the face of every RPer, as are the extremely lax naming rules and the even more lax way some GMs \"enforce\" them.

Again, I completely agree with you. Production skills should have come first, and dueling points should be cmnd+a+delete. My name was made by the random name generator, as I think should be all characters.