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« on: July 15, 2005, 05:24:19 am »
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Linux Specific Issues /
« on: July 15, 2005, 05:19:03 am »Quote
Originally posted by Rav3n
I have a similiar problem:
I never get more than 1,8 fps!!!!
My setting:
OS: Gentoo Linux
Kernel: 2.6.11-gentoo-r9
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+
RAM: 1024MB DDR RAM (Corsair)
Graphics: ATI Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder Pro
I did everything like it is told in the gentoo-Ati-FAQ...
Any ideas?
Anyone figure this out yet? I have similar specs to the quoted person.
Gentoo, kernel 2.6.12-r3, a64 2800@1800mhz, fx 5200 ultra, 512mb ram. My fps isn\'t low per say as with the latest nvidia drivers , I see my fps fluctuate between 50-100 but then down to the 30\'s then down to 5-10. All the while my game is stuttering like it\'s lagging badly but obviously watching the fps fluctuate all the way down to the teens and stay there for 5 seconds or so this is a gfx issue.
Note, I can play many games just fine, ut2k4, et, and HL2 and CS:S with cedega.. ugh. I really wanted to try this game. ;/ I still do! Someone help us figure this out. I\'ve reinstalled, X, my drivers, just updated my kernel since I first ran into this issue.
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The Hydlaa Plaza /
« on: July 11, 2005, 03:40:35 pm »Quote
Originally posted by ramlambmooQuoteAmen brotha. This says pretty much my thoughts.. Androgos made alot of good points too. Seems alot of these windows users bashing on linux can\'t tell the difference between closed source, open source, GPL vs closed source code liceneses etc. If your gonna bicker about something stupid at least build a decent foundation on which you base your opinions so that we don\'t laugh at you at the start. Gotta get at least halfway thru the arguement, I mean com\'on.
Personally I use linux 99.9% of the time because that\'s what serves me best. Do I hate windows, no. Do I dislike windows because of certain functionality they\'ve put into it, sure. I\'m sure if I had alot of free time I can look thru the linux kernel and find alot of implementations I disagree with there as well.
Sometimes linux is the best tool, sometimes windows is. Sometimes neither are and Solaris, a *bsd, one of the mac os\'s could be, etc, etc... you get my point. Really why bicker over something so silly and in a mmorpg forum of all places, rofl. Where\'s the love? Where\'s the peace?No seriously where is it?
Sorry, had to. Peace be with you my fellow computer users. Now let\'s find something worth arguing about like IE vs Firefox, or red vs blue. How about the color of the sky? I\'m out, gl with this.
Ahem?? Some of these windows users bashing linux?? If you\'re referring to me perhaps you might want to give some quotes instead of making unbased claims? I\'ve been programming for 5 years and i find the claim that i dont know open source from closed source personally insulting.
If you think this is turning into a flame war, then dont participate. From my view we\'re just having a discussion about the differences between the o/s because we want to. We\'re allowed to disagree. I havnt seen anyone flaming me, and i dont think i\'ve flamed anyone in return. If you dont like the conversation, dont participate.
Oh and btw, I.E vs firefox is just stupid. Firefox wins hands down.QuoteAnd it is obvious that most of you who didn\'t like linux because of dependancy issues when you tried it tried noob distros, ever tried debian? or archlinux? or gentoo? these distros are prettymuch built without dependancies.
This is turning into a flame war, and it is my guess that it will soon become like the thread about the peta sponsored racoon beating.
Noob distros? This is the one thing i hate above almost everything else about linux: No matter what distro you use, whenever you talk to a linux user they\'ll tell you its the wrong one. I have tried debian but it didnt work well for me. Never tried archlinux and gentoo though. Personally i dont have the time required to install every single linux distro. But i mean the fact that you have o rely on knowing with distros are \"noob\" distros and thus choosing other ones is just another reason not to use linux, personaly.QuoteMy point is that things do go wrong in linux and in its component parts, but it is always the fault of the user, and it is always fairly easy to figure out what is wrong and to fix it. It is a lot easier to fix a problem in a .conf file then in a .dll file. When something goes wrong in windows, you\'re pretty much just screwed in my experience.
Yeah, but same for windows. Most of the errors i get are from me doing something really stupid or from my programming. Though your point about .dll files is indeed valid.
Well, I wasn\'t specifically meaning anyone in particular but if you think I meant you alrighty.....
I can really just post entire post made by you and their mainly just whining. You complain about an os you obviously made no attempt to learn about before jumping in. You complain that your hardware isn\'t supported, oh wow, on so many other non-windows os\'s alot of the hardware is proprietary or isn\'t supported and the users know this, they research before running the os and don\'t seem to complain about this in a year as much as you did in a single post.
Hmm, I thought programmers would know more about lisencing then.. because your whole post ripping nvidia\'s *closed sourced* license for their *closed source* drivers was hilarious. You really think you know what your talking about there? Because you can say you did but I\'d like to quote
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Originally posted by ramlambmoo Wow, thanks nividia for looking out for us, protecting us from evil reverse engineering, and protecting their precious copyright, and making sure they\'re not responsible if anything happens. Linux Software lincenses are so much better!!
I mean that\'s the \"general nvidia license\" that\'s not linux specific and it\'s certainly not any license written or wanted by either the open source community or anyone doing linux development, ie. kernel writers, distro dev\'s, etc. I could go on and on but this is already me turning this into a flame and setting up some good bait.
Just wanted to point out some funny points about the person targeting me because they thought, in their paranoia, I was referring to them because they\'re special and noone else in this entire post talking bad about linux could I have possibly been also aiming at, lol.
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The Hydlaa Plaza /
« on: July 09, 2005, 06:39:46 am »Quote
Originally posted by JellyWerker
wow, there is so much bigotry here, for both sides. I personally use linux, stopped using windows when I worked all summer for xp, and when I went to install it, the code was used.
The geforce 7800 has drivers for linux, as nvidia uses a unified architecture, so one driver for all cards, read the f*** up! that isn\'t being a windows user hater, that\'s using my brain.
And it is obvious that most of you who didn\'t like linux because of dependancy issues when you tried it tried noob distros, ever tried debian? or archlinux? or gentoo? these distros are prettymuch built without dependancies.
This is turning into a flame war, and it is my guess that it will soon become like the thread about the peta sponsored racoon beating.
Edit: Annah: Have you looked at longhorn lately? Thye have cut out everything worht upgrading for, who want to pay $200+ to find files slightly faster and some new eye candy?
Amen brotha. This says pretty much my thoughts.. Androgos made alot of good points too. Seems alot of these windows users bashing on linux can\'t tell the difference between closed source, open source, GPL vs closed source code liceneses etc. If your gonna bicker about something stupid at least build a decent foundation on which you base your opinions so that we don\'t laugh at you at the start. Gotta get at least halfway thru the arguement, I mean com\'on.
Personally I use linux 99.9% of the time because that\'s what serves me best. Do I hate windows, no. Do I dislike windows because of certain functionality they\'ve put into it, sure. I\'m sure if I had alot of free time I can look thru the linux kernel and find alot of implementations I disagree with there as well.
Sometimes linux is the best tool, sometimes windows is. Sometimes neither are and Solaris, a *bsd, one of the mac os\'s could be, etc, etc... you get my point.
Really why bicker over something so silly and in a mmorpg forum of all places, rofl. Where\'s the love? Where\'s the peace? Sorry, had to.
Peace be with you my fellow computer users. Now let\'s find something worth arguing about like IE vs Firefox, or red vs blue. How about the color of the sky? I\'m out, gl with this.
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Technical Help: Problems BEFORE entering the game /
« on: July 09, 2005, 05:47:07 am »
Those of you who got as far as trying to set a password and still getting validate account failed.. have you tried logging in? I had weird issues with setting a password and getting my account going. What I did was try logging in with the password I tried setting and was able to login to my account .. validation failed and all. I suggest you guys try it. But don\'t blame me if it doesn\'t work. Just my personal experience from a few days ago. GL.
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Linux Specific Issues /
« on: July 08, 2005, 11:26:41 pm »
Thanks for the correction. I always run ~arch so I never dipped into the ebuild to verify the dependancies wern\'t also masked. Cheers.
I always run ~arch so I never dipped into the ebuild to verify the dependancies wern\'t also masked. Cheers.
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Technical Help: Problems BEFORE entering the game /
« on: July 08, 2005, 06:05:14 pm »
What exactly is the problem? It\'s not clear at all. If you don\'t like the naming scheme then right click and rename.
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Linux Specific Issues /
« on: July 08, 2005, 02:54:57 am »
Reponse to above
Yeah I have everything setup correctly within setup itself.
To my surprise...
I just found out I was a version behind on my nvidia drivers. Apparently I was correct in thinking that I had version 7664. After some more forum searching and going to confirm this at nvidia.com I found out that a new driver 7667 was released on the 22nd of last month. I update portage with cron everyday and run an \'emerge -avuD world\' and have it logged each day for my review later.. this is so I can update security patches and other applications as I see fit so if something breaks I know of which few is the culprit.
And with this \"gentoo way\" you sorta forget that a new version *could* be out and you wait for the maintainer of the gentoo package to update his ebuild. Anyways, to make a long story not as long. I almost dropped dead to find that JUST TODAY was this new nvidia driver added to portage and apparently after I made my post as I had just done a sync and update before I posted. I can\'t believe that it took a whole 2 WEEKS after it\'s initial release from nvidia to be added though. I\'ve never seen anything like this with nvidia drivers and gentoo since I\'ve been using gentoo for the past few years. I\'ve installed the drivers now though.
My fps _have_ gone up and sitting still I now get between 65-90 fps while in this sewer that I\'m in. Havn\'t found where else to go yet so I\'m killing rats, heh. Moral of the story, check the homepage when in doubt and don\'t rely on a third party for nvidia drivers. I could have easily edited the ebuild and added it to my portage overlay and had the new drivers the very day they were released without fear of bungling up portages update process of my drivers for the future if I were to follow this rule.
The old but new issue:
Now I have to figure out though why my cpu usage is still so high because my FPS quickly will drop back down to 3-18fps(roughly)about a minute or so after my intial step. Also it happens immediately if I were to click on a menu on the left hand side. It has happened when attempting to quit, looking at my inventory, and also opening my buddy list. After a few minutes of frustration I closed the game but I\'m certain any of the other menus would do the same.
P.S.
Perhaps a mod can toss this in the linux forum? I\'ve recently, after my OP here, found the linux section and think this info would be better served there rather than here.
edit: Fixed up some grammar and added additional info to relay my new issue with a more concise and clear view.
Yeah I have everything setup correctly within setup itself.
To my surprise...
I just found out I was a version behind on my nvidia drivers. Apparently I was correct in thinking that I had version 7664. After some more forum searching and going to confirm this at nvidia.com I found out that a new driver 7667 was released on the 22nd of last month. I update portage with cron everyday and run an \'emerge -avuD world\' and have it logged each day for my review later.. this is so I can update security patches and other applications as I see fit so if something breaks I know of which few is the culprit.
And with this \"gentoo way\" you sorta forget that a new version *could* be out and you wait for the maintainer of the gentoo package to update his ebuild. Anyways, to make a long story not as long. I almost dropped dead to find that JUST TODAY was this new nvidia driver added to portage and apparently after I made my post as I had just done a sync and update before I posted. I can\'t believe that it took a whole 2 WEEKS after it\'s initial release from nvidia to be added though. I\'ve never seen anything like this with nvidia drivers and gentoo since I\'ve been using gentoo for the past few years. I\'ve installed the drivers now though.
My fps _have_ gone up and sitting still I now get between 65-90 fps while in this sewer that I\'m in. Havn\'t found where else to go yet so I\'m killing rats, heh. Moral of the story, check the homepage when in doubt and don\'t rely on a third party for nvidia drivers.
I could have easily edited the ebuild and added it to my portage overlay and had the new drivers the very day they were released without fear of bungling up portages update process of my drivers for the future if I were to follow this rule.The old but new issue:
Now I have to figure out though why my cpu usage is still so high because my FPS quickly will drop back down to 3-18fps(roughly)about a minute or so after my intial step. Also it happens immediately if I were to click on a menu on the left hand side. It has happened when attempting to quit, looking at my inventory, and also opening my buddy list. After a few minutes of frustration I closed the game but I\'m certain any of the other menus would do the same.
P.S.
Perhaps a mod can toss this in the linux forum? I\'ve recently, after my OP here, found the linux section and think this info would be better served there rather than here.
edit: Fixed up some grammar and added additional info to relay my new issue with a more concise and clear view.
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Linux Specific Issues /
« on: July 08, 2005, 02:08:14 am »
Side note.. if you use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on the cli and install it a world update will most likely revert it back to the *stable* version. For those using \"arch\" and not \"~arch\" you can use /etc/portage/package.keywords and put in ..
games-rpg/planeshift ~x86
this will guarentee you always get the latest PS version as it enters the portage tree.
games-rpg/planeshift ~x86
this will guarentee you always get the latest PS version as it enters the portage tree.
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Linux Specific Issues /
« on: July 08, 2005, 01:46:41 am »
Sure do. This is purely a PS issue. I\'ve been playing games on this install for 6 months now... including thru cedega. And yes this is a gentoo system.
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Linux Specific Issues / Unplayable atm...
« on: July 07, 2005, 11:40:14 pm »
Hi all, just came across the game today and decided to give it a shot. Currently though I\'m having serious cpu/fps issues but I more than surpass the requirements for the game..
a64 2800@1.8ghz
512mb 3200pc mushkin ram
geforce 5200 ultra 128mb
linux - latest client, only system processes and using fluxbox
gfx drivers - latest from nvidia 7664?
Not sure why but my ping(300+ but havn\'t notcied this to affect gameplay yet.. lag is gfx/cpu related) is very high and the client is hogging my cpu.. at the game login screen it\'s fine but soon as I get into the world my cpu hits 90-99% cpu usage and stays that way. I forget what menu it is showing my fps but it shows it at 4-22 depending on what I\'m doing. Hovers around 17-19 if I\'m standing still or turning in circles. Any ideas? Tried doing searches on these forums but came up empty with answers..
I\'m sure I\'m not the only one with this issue and I\'m sure there\'s a thread on these forums with a similar issue + an answer but I can\'t find it. The closest to an answer I was near was when I came across a thread where someone with similar hardware ran into a high cpu usage issue but he was getting 250+ fps. I can\'t break 25 heh.
a64 2800@1.8ghz
512mb 3200pc mushkin ram
geforce 5200 ultra 128mb
linux - latest client, only system processes and using fluxbox
gfx drivers - latest from nvidia 7664?
Not sure why but my ping(300+ but havn\'t notcied this to affect gameplay yet.. lag is gfx/cpu related) is very high and the client is hogging my cpu.. at the game login screen it\'s fine but soon as I get into the world my cpu hits 90-99% cpu usage and stays that way. I forget what menu it is showing my fps but it shows it at 4-22 depending on what I\'m doing. Hovers around 17-19 if I\'m standing still or turning in circles. Any ideas? Tried doing searches on these forums but came up empty with answers..
I\'m sure I\'m not the only one with this issue and I\'m sure there\'s a thread on these forums with a similar issue + an answer but I can\'t find it. The closest to an answer I was near was when I came across a thread where someone with similar hardware ran into a high cpu usage issue but he was getting 250+ fps. I can\'t break 25 heh.
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