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Newbie Help (Start Here) / Validness of the licence
« on: February 18, 2006, 07:11:28 am »
Actually the GPL is too only valid in Europe if you do not give away your copyright to the FSF which is too illegal here.

And another time, I don\'t see any problem if the artists are able to decide and want that their art does not appear in other games. But why must Planeshift force this way.

And it is not valid to abandon his own copyright and give it to another person or organisation, you are only able to share the rights of use and sale but you always have your copyright on your own work. For example, if you have drawn something in a i.e. film company you are able, if you want, to distribute these drawings after you have left this company (The company, however, is able to do so too)
I recommend translating this page with google and reading the copyright of an european country, here germany (because i for myself have read this law) http://transpatent.com/gesetze/urhg1.html

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Newbie Help (Start Here) /
« on: February 17, 2006, 11:13:34 pm »
a) is wrong because impossible. If your model is double-licenced you cannot say: i want to have my model removed because it is property by Planeshift too, so this cannot be a problem

b) What\'s the Problem? If someone thinks he can make the game better then there is a fork which is sometimes better then the original. Also code could be added to both projects without any problem because the forked must be GPL anyway.
A argument is only able to happen if a/some developer(s) disagree about either new functions or the gameplay and actually it should be perfectly valid to create the forked project. And ... a fork doesn\'t happen so easily and if, then the result is good. Examples: emule (many mods) and vlc (\"You do not have to tell us if you make a fork\") - both very good programs.

Oh ... and i haven\'t understood why nobody is allowed to set up an own server ... could somebody explain please?

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Newbie Help (Start Here) /
« on: February 17, 2006, 10:58:37 pm »
Ok, I haven\'t read any other documents and i know the projects long six hours or something like that.
But I know how a dangerous licence sounds and that is a dangerous one.
And still it is forbidden for any european artist to give away the copyright, it is impossible because it is illegal in Europe.
I don\'t think there is any problem in reusing the graphics (since your licence isn\'t valid in my country i wouldn\'t have to care anyway) for the projects if they are good. If the author (of the art) thinks they should be used for another project then he should be allowed to do so because i personally don\'t think he wants to harm the project.
Where\'s the problem in double licencing the art or some useful scripts in GPL and ABC? Why are the contributers forced to not reuse their graphics any more, for example for glest or other games which do clearly have nothing to to with an MMORPG but they could be useful without disturbing the originality of this game here.
And at least I think a licence should be legal in nearly every country and not void in most countries except the U.S. (sometimes I am really glad to live in europe ... less software patents, less laws and courts bought by company directors, less validness of senseless but harmful licences like this, a better social system - and no George W. Bush, but politics are quite wrong here)


Oh, I have forgotten to say that basically I think souch a games is positive (as I have said before this game is regarded as one of the best MMORPG), the only things I criticise are these two paragraphs in the licence which could be harmfull ... and people cannot trust companies no matter if they declare that they are non-profit or something like that.

PS: Please be honest and say: this game is freeware and this could change every second. This would be honest

the reason I write here is that I know a software which had a developing procedure like this and it was promised forever that the software would be free forever but once you had to pay for it ... I don\'t want this to happen here again so please just allow developers to contribute everything they want to this project under the licence they want additional to your licence.
It\'s capitalism, everybody wants to make profit.

edit: zanzib?r is right, thats one of the greatest fears I have

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No, I know many authors do not want to release their artwork and data to the public, that is correct and so they should free to do so (only US people, the others (i.e. european) are not allowed to) and licence it under the ABC licence.
Thats not a great problem. I think, however, that there is NO reason why a contributer schould not use his own graphics in his own game or other games if he wants to. Actually, you cannot forbid this if the author lives in europe because it is simply not allowed to give away the copyright and as author you have always (at least until 70 years after your death) the right to do anything with your creationships, and thats my problem.

I can only repeat what I have said: Of course Atomic Blue can tell the truth  and the game stays free but why the hell should they then reap everything away a nice man has done to let the project benefit.
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    *  The materials will only be used in the PlaneShift game (or its successor games created by Atomic Blue) and not in any other.
    * The materials, once contributed, will be retained by Atomic Blue no matter what might happen with other projects, forks, mergers, alliances, and Atomic Blue will control how it is used.


And at last, I don\'t believe in goodness of any concern any more. The lines above are so clear there\'s nothing to add more.

After Atomic Blue has got enough data, they will do the following:
Sucessor game = Commercial game based on non-open-source code
GPL-based-game = Server is closed (nobody is allowed to set one up so nobody can use it)
==> everybody who contributes to this project is in risk to contribute to a cash-greedy concern, this game is not open source
Nobody can tell me such licence restricions are only there for nothing but the benefit of the community. This licence is more restrective than the privacy terms of ICQ which allowes them to do everything they want with the data of the fobbed artworker/scripter.

I suggest to reread the licence, it\'s dangerous.

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Newbie Help (Start Here) / I thought this would be an open source game!!!
« on: February 17, 2006, 09:40:16 pm »
I\'ve found this MMORPG on a site saying this would be the best open source roleplaying game. I, however, have read the licence of this game which tells something quite different.
Instead of making the game free to use, distribute, spread and modify most things are actually under a proprietary licence no commercial game is worse. Take, for example, the guild wars client. It\'s free (of charge) too, the data, however, does cost, how can I know that this wouldn\'t be the case here too?
And this ABC licence (maybe some relationship with weapons of mass destruction - many people play this game and suddenly nobody is able to do it any longer because ABC makes the server with costs - you are not allowed to set up your own server) does also make it impossible for european authors to contribute to this project because it is not possible to give away their copyright but I think that it would not be a problem if the all the data here is aviable under this M$-like licence if the author would not be required to not use HIS data in HIS own or other programs any more ... too good i\'m not a designer but sometimes I try to contribute some code to some projects (since I\'m currently not very good in coding, this isn\'t very successfull but that\'s not so important now) but I for myself am sure that I won\'t even use this program because I think a commercial product is at least honest while this project is not.

Please bash me, delete me, or do anything you want. I\'ll look up this article later; i do not just write this and leave forever

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sorry for my bad english, i am austrian

*edit*

and I\'ve got just something to add something regarding the player\'s policy: in Austria, since the new spelling reform, it is perfectly valid to have three letters in a row in a correctly spelled word.
For example, take Schifffahrt (consisting of Schiff (ship) and fahrt (~drive)) (navigation) or many other useful words so it would be nice if someone could put this limit up to four letters (even they *could* be possible)

Please avoid posting two or more successive posts before others have replied. Just edit your last post to add new information :) Thanks! --Karyuu

Oh ... I  didn\'t know i am able to edit the posts ... in my main forum i am not ... sorry

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