Well, I did discover why I couldn't find my post, it seems that this forum doesn't have "next page" buttons but "next thread" buttons instead, so I responded to a post in another thread. (On topic in that thread, mind you). So, I guess nobody deleted my post :-)

As to not having given this game a chance...

Is 30 hours for the first 2 quests not giving it a chance? especially since the only part of the second quest is the part where Harnquist tells me to get gold ore, I buy a pickaxe and someone tells me that I can mine gold ore in the magic shop and gives me directions that gets me totally lost in the forest. (Go north and take a right at the intersection) I don't know how to tell north in the game, but I assumed that the road going out of the city (to Oja...something according to rumour) was going north, then I zone and there is nothing resembling a road, maybe something looking like a dirt road, though it could just be some lighter terrain. Anyway I follow it, going right whenever I was in doubt, but I didn't see anything resembling a road, house, or magic shop.

I did try asking people for help, but somehow either the keyboard gets disabled or the client crashes everytime I get a response.

Should I really give it more time than this?

In that case I'm afraid I need something more to go on. I really wouldn't know what to do anymore...

While they might be there, it seems that from my experience at least, that the Death Realm is the same as everywhere else in this game, 90% of the time while people might be standing right next to you they will just ignore you!

Like I have said before roleplaying is all good and nice, but what fun is it to roleplay that you just woke up in a new world, about age 20, and you can't remember how to tie you shoelaces???

And regarding the thread about "Newbies vs oldies", why would I bother discussing roleplaying with people who obviously don't know the first thing about it?

Someone got into trouble for calling an Enkidukai a cat??? What are we talking about 12 year olds for crying out loud? Do you really think anyone in the real world would be attacked like that if he/she said some VERY hairy person with bushy eyebrows looked like a werewolf??? I have never personally seen a werewolf, I haven't even seen a wolf in person, still I do know what wolves, werewolves, and even dragons are, and noone has tried to lock me up in a mental institution because of it.

Ok, he called someone a cat in a world where no cats exists, so he obviously couldn't just have seen a cat chasing a rat around five minutes ago, but does that really mean that he doesn't know what a cat is? And before all you roleplaying morons jump at me, I'm not talking about the PLAYER, I'm talking about the character, IN CHARACTER, his personal experience while growing up! I have never personally seen any Enkidukai around where I live, but as a child I did hear a story about a cat in boots that fought with a sword, maybe some of you have as well, I have also heard of the Kzinti. Would it be impossible to have heard a faerytale about a creature the size of a big rat (a creature that does exist in the world and which most people will have seen or at least have described while growing up) but looked almost like Enkidukai including a furry tail, unlike the rat. Consider then that the child grew up in a village without any Enkidukai. Would it really be very unlikely that he called the first Enkidukai a cat when he actually saw one? The cat from the fairytale might be just as real to him as the Enkidukai, perhaps even more so, since the fairytale might be more exciting than just another person doing his regular job.

Don't blame people for not roleplaying just because you have a limited imagination.

Besides how can you even begin to judge whether people are roleplaying or not? Did you sneak into their house and read their character sheet and their roleplaying information? Unless you are the kind of person who walks up to total strangersm, greet them by name, ask to their wife and children and offer condolences for their loss of their grandmother who died this morning (a fact the person will only discover himself after he gets home from work and gets the phone call from whomever found the body).

I'm assuming that not a lot of you are, so maybe you should try to assume that maybe people know what they are doing and you do NOT know everything including why someone you have never met before don't react the way you expect them to.

Of course I could be wrong...

About the "roleplaying nazis", I'll just offer a quote: Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately be explained by stupidity.

In other words, maybe they are just stupid or don't know any better. Sometimes it's just better to ignore those people and move on.

The big question now is just if it's time for me to ignore this game and move on, or...

Are there any plans to do something to help lower the learning curve in this game?

Currently it feels like playing UT or something on paper and pencil would be a lot easier, even managing 60+ FPS full color 3D images should really be easy.

And before anyone offers the suggestion to just ask questions, I need to let you know that I have read the Player Guide on the official site (a bit thin and outdated), the Player Guide installed with the game (more extensive, but so VERY outdated it's almost less useful than the first), the FAQ (first you go to #1 then you do #2 and #3 and then tun right at #4 (replace all the #'s with landmarks/skills/etc. I have never heard about and wouldn't have the first clue about how to recognize if I saw it)), the Getting Started ingame... (roleplaying in all nice and good, but when people don't know what the blue stuff is above their head is, don't know why they can stand on the brown and green stuff beneath their feet or why they keep sinking in the blue wavey stuff, I personally think there are bigger issues).

As for getting help:
  As said before roleplaying is very nice, but when there are bigger issues... As said in some of the guides typing takes time, and 90% of everyone in the game seems to ignore new people. Unless you have tried asking the same question 20 or 30 times (I'm sure it must seem a stupid question to veteran players, but since I'll bet everyone who has tried the game has asked it, people will be very tired of it by now) I don't really think RP'ers can really appreciate how fustrating it is (and if the character has been asking the same question for half an hour to 20 people, maybe it really IS in character to lose a bit of patience :-).

There is (as far as I have experienced) NO SODDING way to get help using normal says :-)

Using the Help channel or /advisor is TOTALLY USELESS 50-75% of the time at least since there are "no advisors currently in the world, you may now use the /shout command to ask other players....", yeah right.

Except of course there is NO WAY TO DO THAT for the first 60 minutes you are logged in :-)

And after that, the only response you get to a shout is that you should be using the help channel instead :-)

I'm guessing that every time I have tried explaining that the silly game TOLD me to use shouts I got an insta-/ignore for the effort.

So what option do people have left? Spamming /shouts out like n00bs?



Not really working IMHO.



And I don't really know what your problem with quests is, but for my first quest from Harnquist (who is in no way anywhere near where the guide claims he is) I had to find to apples from the tavern. Well after a death and about 3 hours I actually manage to find the tavern. And what do I discover? I need money to BUY the apples! But I took the quest to earn money! Luckily there are some helpful people in the game (still needed to shout to get in contact with them :-) I get the money to buy the apples and complete the quest.

For the second quest from Harnquist I'm to bring him some gold ore. from what I read in the guides I need a pick for that :-). ... costing about 100 tiras and I only got 20 from the first quest :-) Is it my math that's bad, did I just get a bad collection of quests or is there a problem?

While shouting earlier, someone also said that I could kill rats to earn money, but since I can't do any damage to a rat before I collapse from exhaustion, that isn't really a great thing for new people to do either. But again thanks to another nice person I got a pair of short swords, and since I started with 5 in sword skill, the rats are easy to kill, but now there is nowhere to sell them :-)


All in all, from my experience, I don't really think that worrying about whether people roleplay should be your biggest concern, but of course I could just be stupid or wrong...

You might want to consider making a global help channel where people could ask questions and everyone could try to answer them there instead of blocking every other form of communication with getting the baiscs solved.

Well, expect a couple of minutes every time :-)

is there any way to turn on auto run? the change is turning rate is making making my char zigzag like she down a minor sea of apple schnapps or something equaly disgusting.

does anyone know what the tavern look like? the NPS's descriptions of it being loud doesn't really help, and why would I worry about any bouncer when I can't even get within sight of it???

*edit*

Well, I guess, this has stopped being an issue, since I fell off something while looking for the tavern, and died.

Well, now I can't see anything.

I have no idea where the ground is, but I seem to keep falling off it.

So, I try to ask people around me, but either there are noone who can hear me or they ignore me.

I try asking in the help channel, but there are no advisors in the world at the moment.

So I do as suggested I try a shout, and immediately get told that I should use the help channel.

Well, that was the most helpful answer I got for my trouble, unlesss you consider the only other response helpful, but I don't really think a sexual offer helpful in that situation.

I guess I'm stuck at this point.

Please avoid posting two or more successive posts before others have replied. Just edit your last post to add new information. Thanks! --Karyuu

thanks, that got the mouse pointer back, but now I can't move :-)