I, too, would like to thank the devs for all their hard work!  They get a lot of flak and grief but in the end they've made a truly stellar game that I always enjoy coming back to. 


Here's to many more years of fruitful progress.

True, the story of Yliakum can be described as being a play of sorts, but that doesn't mean its inhabitants would automatically find no interest in watching plays or listening to stories of their own.  Planeshift -is- supposed to simulate a self-contained world with inhabitants that have culture, isn't it?

Also, just because there isn't a raging demand for theatrical performances among players right now, it doesn't mean that it's not worth investing some effort into fostering their potential.  Build it and they will come.

I'd be pretty interested in hearing the answer to this as well.

Well, we already have a training ground, of sorts.  It's called the arena:)  It's not exactly formal, but we can add an area dummies and guards and trainers etc.

Right, but Garile did bring up the valid point that the arena isn't well suited for educating the general population as to the basics of self-defense and defending the city.  The arena always struck me more as a place for higher-level fighters thinking "hey, lets go kill some monsters/people for the heck of it!" rather than as a government-run facility meant to help the population of Hydlaa fulfill their civic requirement of knowing how to hold a sword and hit something with it (which is what the training grounds would be for).

I would imagine that Garile's government-run training grounds would look like a handful of dirt lots surrounded by low wooden fences, with dried-seaweed-stuffed dummies propped up on wooden poles and some dried-seaweed-stuffed targets for target practice.  On the grounds there would be a storage shed and a small office (for record-keeping), staffed by an older, laid-back, retired general and his younger, aspiring, too-serious-about-his-job assistant.  Every city would probably have some kind of training grounds, though, especially if the requirement [of being able to defend the city when necessary] applies to all cities in Yliakum, so naturally the character of the staff would vary depending on which city's training grounds they were staffing.  (which brings me to my next point below ... )

The laws make the populations as a whole sound more militaristic then the vibe I get from walking around the cities and talking to NPCs.

It would make sense that Hydlaa would seem very non-militaristic despite the law in question, since Hydlaa is probably one of the safest towns in all of Yliakum.  So it makes sense that the citizens (and the staff of the training grounds) wouldn't be very serious about discipline and bearing arms since they wouldn't have as much of a need for it.   Compare that to smaller villages closer to the Bronze Doors, where the residents face a very real danger of being attacked by monsters that slip past the Bronze Door fortresses.

Forgive me for reviving this inactive thread, but I love the idea of having a stamina danger bar, and have always wanted my character to automatically do something more realistic than mere stand still when exhausted.  Perhaps exhaustion could work this way:

When a character is running and reaches physical stamina '0' (aka, the threshold between normal physical stamina and the danger zone), the character stops running, takes a mental stamina hit, and automatically sits down.  The player then has two options:  continue to rest and recover stamina, or get up and keep running.

If the player opts to stand up and continue running, then the character runs at half-speed (unless chased by a creature/opponent, due to adrenaline), his/her/kra physical stamina moves into the danger zone and his/her/kra mental stamina drains as well.  If the player stops running while in the danger zone, the character automatically sits.  If the player pushes the character to absolute 0 physical stamina (danger bar depleted), then the character falls forward and remains immobile for a few seconds, and then sits up and remains sitting until told to stand.

The same system could probably apply to mining to exhaustion (as some players are apt to do), but with the character falling backwards instead (since they're not moving forward and since the dying animation could be reused), and with the likelihood of finding minerals being reduced while mining in the danger zone (due to delirium).  It would certainly help to highlight the absurdity of constantly mining to exhaustion.

(For those concerned about the inconvenience of collapsing while mining or being in combat, complete exhaustion should probably already be something you'd avoid anyway, fainting or no fainting.  But hey, all the better to ask for food to provide a stamina boost, and for stamina potions to be added to the game.)

True, this would require more work than mere code adjustment, especially since we don't have falling-forward animations for any of the character races.  However, applying this sitting/'fainting' behavior would greatly improve the realism of Planeshift, especially for me since 'You're too exhausted to move' is likely the most frequent prompt I see in the game.   

Quote from: Caarrie on August 02, 2008, 02:02:19 pm

what are your system stats? you might have this bug
http://www.hydlaa.com/flyspray_upgrade/index.php?do=details&task_id=2056

do you have a ppc?

Nope, I have an early Intel iMac, running Tiger 10.4.11.

and i work the tracker and would close it as i cant duplicate it and the forum is the place for this type of help. the devs spend less time on the forum yes then the tracker but bugs like this dont need to be on the tracker, end of story

Caarrie, my suggestion wasn't meant to aggravate, so I apologize if I upset you.  I only wanted to help, especially since this issue has been giving me problems as well.

If the moderators agree with player_of_games's advice, perhaps this thread should be made a sticky?