Mehallie, I\'m trying to be productive here, I think that pvp IS a very important part of a mmorpg. I also feel that the current way of implementing it is not adequate. Can you convince me that trading will be adversely effected by this or will you continue to make stupid sarcastic commentaries about stuff that has already been written. I strongly feel that this could enhance this game. Btw, The game does look like it has tremendous potential and from what I\'ve seen so far many things seem based on sound ideas. But this guild arena combat seems like a real cop-out. Btw when you said possibly over 50 percent arena, were you talking about full on non consentual pvp without consequences? or that only guilds at war could pvp there?

First thing, there is no way people have that much sway over their guildmates or even close friends. People are not going to waste their two kills on someone elses war. Second, it would be bloody impossible to find the target person without them being there. Third you would have to be very very angry annoyed frustrated and ballzy to blatently attack someone if those kills would give you punishment. Third, I think you fail to see how much people are willing to do(or not do in this case) to screw up the characters that they have been working on for the past few months. Your scenario is not only extreme, it is impossible. Maybe a few close friends might gang up, but if that is the case who cares? No grief is going to come from that. Even if you are targetted by some guild with a kazillion members all wanting to pk you multiple times, stay in town for a while.

Btw, if you eliminate professional pkers, you pretty much eliminate griefers. This can easily be done by enforcing strict punishment on pkers. Make it so that people won\'t want to commit mass genocide. But I think having the option to kill one or 2 every now and again  would be very nice.

In all of my experiences in mmorpgland, I have never really professionally pked before and if I have pked or been pked it has been well outside of town range, where you\'d expect it.  I don\'t feel that if you implement that kind of system, the workers will complain too much, because for the most part, they are inside a protected range. As for mining or chopping wood or whatever, the better resources should come with greater risks. I dont think non-consentual pking should be allowed in town, or if it is it should be immediatly inforced by insta-death from teleporting guards or lightning from heaven or something else.. All I\'m saying is that it would be nice to be able to murder all those annoying little trash talkers. I feel that noob shields are a good idea, but if the only people really at danger are the ones outside of town, how does it really effect the gatherers? Again, I\'d like to stress that I think it should be HIGHLY punished, so you wouldnt be able to professionally pk, but killing an occasional trash talker would be nice.

Sorry, from all the posts I\'ve looked at so far(only back to page 3 or so) I haven\'t really seen any places where devs have said that blatently that pking is already decided. I might be wrong though, I\'ve been reading up on alot of other upcoming mmorpgs.

btw, I still think the arena idea blows... heh

I know Pking has already been covered in one of the previous threads, but I don\'t really think the pks put up a good fight.  I know pking is very difficult to balance, with all the whiny rpers and exploiting pkers(l33tkulh0my69) and such, but I feel pking is a vital part of any mmorpg. In a mmo, the primary goal is to interact with lots of other people(why else would it be a mmo?). I feel implementing it as an arena is a sorry excuse for a cop-out. Players should be forced(to some extent) to interact with other players. Even if this interaction comes in the form of looming danger caused by wandering around in the wild. Some of my fondest memories come from my early days playing as a newbie in a mmorpg where pking was allowed. The constant danger of attack in the wild actually added to my experience doing mundane things like chopping wood and mining.  Ok ok, this is getting to be a long thread and I hate long threads, so here\'s my big spiel.
In a mmorpg, a new world is created. One of the elements I value in this world is freedom. Players should be able to be free to do as many things as possible, yet have to pay the consequences. I think players should be able to pk, yet be punished severly for abusing that right. If a player kills more than 5 players in 80 hours IGT, erase the players individuality, change his name to \"a briggand\" or have that player evolve into a monster. Make the pks start losing stats, to take them down to a certain level of mediocrity or have them match the stats of the monster they\'re evolving into. Make them not able to attack anyone under a certain number of skill points. Pking is a pain to rpers because the pks are exploiting everything in their power to get powerful and then they challenge people who are playing the game not for power but to live a different life. I think there is a balance to be had between rping and pking, and it doesnt involve arena combat.