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« on: November 17, 2006, 06:29:36 am »
"I...I don't get it. Is this a rant, or serious critisism? I mean, I'm not even gonna pretend to have read all of it, since I had the feeling that this was pointless a few lines in."
Not really either. I'm not emotional about it in the least or upset, so it's definitely not a rant. Serious criticism would indicate I know things are being done wrong. I'm imagining a lot of these things are written or done for a reason, but I'm hoping I can submit something constructive, and the only thing I've really got going for me is fresh eyes reading the page on races. It didn't really seem to fit the style of the wishlist, these aren't things I wish to be implemented, if I were made project leader for 30 minutes, I wouldn't change a thing because I'll assume experience has one over on me, plus I'm not familiar with how things are done and run around here. New eyes tend to point out 29 things that are done that way for a reason, and 1 thing that now that you look at it, doesn't really make sense, and should be changed. Sometimes, that one thing is something thats been done and established for a very long time and noone questions it now because it's always been like that, and no one likes buckling tradition.
I do apologize if I come off bad, it wasn't my intent. As for the new eyes thing, I meant that at it's extreme. I haven't even hit the finish button on creating a character, though I've looked through the custom character creator and quick a good bit. I've not logged in, I've not seen race interactions from a PC standpoint, and I think that's good actually from a fresh eyes stand point. How things are from a PC point of view is not necessarily how things should be, especially when it comes to written canon information on races and mechanical stats.
The thing about the Ynnwn is based off of their starting stats as listed on the player guide. Agreed that the sentence does indeed say they should be just as capable as everyone else. Mechanically from a starting point, theres
"Starting stats: STR 80, END 92, AGI 40, INT 48, WIL 45, CHA 45"
Basis of comparison would be Ylian I'd suppose,
"Starting stats: STR 60, END 55, AGI 64, INT 58, WIL 58, CHA 55"
Less intelligent races are...
Hammerwielder's by 3 points, Kran by 5, Enkidukai by 8, making them 4th to bottom, out of 12, and there's a big jump from 48 to 55 for the Klyros. At the highest theres Lemur's at 85, with Xacha at 75.
Their strength and end and pretty much everything are on par with the Kran, except for special rules, which makes them incredibly suited to be the heavy hitting fighter, especially at the beginning where eventually 2nd rank of body development I'm guessing means more hitpoints and your not going to be running into any precious metal weapons or magic weapons for a good while.
Like I said at the start, it's from fresh eyes, which means unexperienced as well. I don't even know if the setting information is kept up to date with the game, or if that would even be a good thing with things in early alpha as they are.
The Nolthrir and frog hop, I can understand, I actually thought of that before I wrote that, which is why I got into the questions of why exactly they'd go to the surface world for an extended period of time voluntarily. It looks like they'd stay in the water most always, and a few would want to explore the surface world (PC's, I'd suppose), and I'd imagine them being from the water would make them very wobbly on land.
The dermorian's and intelligence, I don't know if the magic system is entirely based on intelligence or what. Shamanism and spiritual magic I'd put on will, and to me Science is a byproduct of high intelligence. Intelligence is the sign of logic, Will the sign of wisdom to me. Making will into wisdom is probably my mistake, and intelligence probably covers both in this setting.
Hammerwielder's, well I don't know a thing about cutting jewel's, I for some odd reason think it involves more than precision and dexterity. I'd imagine it involves perception to a great degree, which when you have an undefined amount of time to stare at the uncut gem, is more having the patience to look at it carefully and the intelligence to recognize the weak point or angle of cut.
Kran, I really don't know. I look at martial arts as a term to describe damage in hand to hand. Being made of silicon I'd imagine they can whop someone across the head pretty hard, if they connect. Would they want to is another question entirely.
For the diabolo, I very much agree it is bad RP. Usually it's best not to tempt metagaming at all, looks like a demon, name appears to be spanish for devil, and the race tends to be malicious.
Unreliable can and probably does foster social skills, but the race as a whole on average being malicious, and unreliable? To me it speak's "sometimes can't get the job done, and after he's signed up for the job and gotten it, he may drop it in a heartbeat if he thinks he'll get more out of it than it costs him. He may actually be a spy..." And trusting one with critical information that could be used to blackmail? There's no distinction for the racial average and how the race appears on average to others.
"No, there will not be NPCs shunning people based on race. Not going to happen. And where did the emotional thing come from. Some of the Enkis I know are compulsive, some aren't. Just like any other race."
I don't know whether that's good or not. That's why I tripled up on few, rare, and don't do it often NPC's. A significant amount would most certainly be bad, and make a large footprint to reverse if it's bad policy. These are all just observations anyways, and I understand it to be good to offer the best solution you can think of to things you see as wrong. Impulsive and emotional is just my view of a cat, and it's also what I get from
"The Enkidukai race maintains its wild nature. They live in packs controlled by the male who is strongest and most skillful in combat. Each pack has a typical and easily recognizable look, mostly because of their habit in cutting or coloring fur in ritual or traditional ways. Enkidukai are always suspicious of strangers at the beginning, but once you gain their trust, they become faithful companions."
I agree that some Enki should be compulsive, and some shouldn't. I just think that on average according to that they should be more compulsive than any other race. I've also read that players like to play the exception to the rule fairly often. From a game balance point of view a view of them as compulsive may be good, may be not, I've never dealt with hard coding a NPC to treat all members of a race a certain way. From a realistic perspective, and race that appears to be very wild should probably be impulsive and emotional. Especially alpha males. It also doesn't specify what happens when loyalty is shaken. Ever scared a cat a few times? They don't want to play with you for a very long time. I've got a friend that spun an older kitten he owned around on a laminate floor. The kitten won't go near him now. But I digress. Become faithful companions no matter what, or more like until an extreme amount of stress is applied to a relationship, is more in the realm of dogs to me. And you know what, maybe my interpretation of Enkidukai is completely off. Maybe they're meant to be animal like, generically, not catlike, period. Maybe it's bad to have a race that maintains its wild nature at all. A lot of that advice is to make things more realistic and help combat pop fotm.
Do I want to make things more Barbaric? Not really. It'd be grand to have them be adept socialites, I'd like a race that lends itself to dodging blows and social retorts all the same, but can't throw a punch very well. Makes a character concept possible for an elitist that avoids combat, but if you try to he just makes fun of your swordsmanship while in public, when in truth he can't swing a sword either. I don't know what I'd really want to do with the race, and it isn't my place to want to do anything with it.
Xacha and lemur's makes a good deal more sense now. Lemur's are artistic... Yay for selectively ignoring on the "They have a clever intellect, superior to the other races. The Lemurs are brilliant artist, innate aesthete and researchers of beauty in all its forms." Xacha now appear to be the Scientist's, and Lemur's the philosopher's. I don't see how cold logic lends itself to the mysticism of ancestor worship, but I may and tend to have an odd view of things.
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