On the Meet the Devs event you said the next step would be to craft magical Armor and that you wanted the players opinions on how to do that.
Would that be this thread?

Hello everyone,
I checked my options and under graphics I turned the label view from mouse over to on target. When I clicked save, the client crashed.
It now always does after I have loaded the world (on different accounts or with different characters), I can't do a thing.
I have the report from Windows:

Problemsignatur:
  Problemereignisname:   APPCRASH
  Anwendungsname:   psclient.exe
  Anwendungsversion:   0.5.8.1
  Anwendungszeitstempel:   4ed2a1d9
  Fehlermodulname:   psclient.exe
  Fehlermodulversion:   0.5.8.1
  Fehlermodulzeitstempel:   4ed2a1d9
  Ausnahmecode:   c0000005
  Ausnahmeoffset:   0000000000021672
  Betriebsystemversion:   6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
  Gebietsschema-ID:   1031
  Zusatzinformation 1:   80fc
  Zusatzinformation 2:   80fc7ed893365b526959a443fc3550b4
  Zusatzinformation 3:   4e3c
  Zusatzinformation 4:   4e3ca1db27d339f24ba9a02ab8c2e59b

I do not know if that helps at all, I also don't know if I could translate this correctly to english.
How do I get a better error message?

As I think this information is stored serverwise, I cannot solve the problem by reinstalling Planeshift, correct?

Greetings,
Symasta

rabartus and darven stand on the same spot (inside each other) near the laanx temple between 9 pm and 2 am, possibly longer

After those exciting changes, I finally had the time to test them.
First of all: It is really good you work on the whole subject and can run better tests now!

Before listing my observations, I have a, I believe very important, Question:

How are skill-Levels supposed to be converted into ingame RP knowledge?
In magic, being around lvl 100 makes you a full adept. Which I think is probable.
In smithing, lvl 20 I believe is enough to make swords around 200 or more Quality, depending on how much time you spend. So I guess to make 300Q (Perfect!!!) weapons, you might not lvl 200 in weapon making but more or less lvl 50 maybe?
In armor skills, being around lvl 70 is enough to minimize damage done by dlayo Gladiators (!) to about 70 per hit which makes standing next to them using magic really easy atm.
On the other hand it takes around 3-4 hours to skill from lvl 1 to 10 now, costing around 10k trias, which is 40x the income a regular farmer has within a month.
So, is there an overview what skilllevel is which ingame skill? Is any armor skill above 50 or 100 a hero/very very experienced fighter lvl? So that a young character should normally not reach these lvls?

A few things I observed:
Magic:
I have the feeling lvling is at a good pace atm, couldn't notice the difference between high realm spells and others. That seems good, but:
At lvl 45 brown way a stone fist does 91 damage while fist of the vulcano with red way lvl 90 does only 43 damage to certain targets. How is that possible? I like how spells do different damage on different targets, but such a huge difference?

LVLing job skills:
I had to fish around 70-80 fishes to lvl from fishing 2 to lvl 3. While the time spend might be fine as you can already fish many fishes, I wonder if it would not be possible to gain practice points in fishing when not catching a fish. You gain different amounts from different realm spells, wouldn't it be possible to implement pp gained when not catching a fish (as you should learn from mistakes!).

Economy:
I know in the mid ages having a sword was really expensive. But I still think that the system is messed up.

You pay around 5-10 tria for a good meal.
A farmer makes 250 tria a month.
So maybe a cook makes about the same, a little more?
A miner on the other hand gets 250 tria for two ores(!) if he sells those to harnquist.
A delivery boy gets a quest from Harnquist to pick up a weapon part from Trasok has to pay 50 trias to Trasok to complete the quest (how should a delivery boy have that much money?) and gets 3300 trias for completing the task.
A little boy asking to assist Harnquist picks up two apples at a tree infront of Harnquists smithy and gets 120 trias. Now tell me which farmer would choose working for a hard month instead of giving apples to Harnquist?
Next example is someone learning to repair weapons. He pays 100 trias for a repair kit. To get from lvl 0 to 1, he will spend at least 2000 trias on repair kits. How could someone afford that?

I would really like to have more characters who are not just over the top heros but more regular people (and with those lvls you can still enjoy stuff like questing, fighting and stuff without sticking to rats).


I think all comes back to the question which skill-lvl is what knowledge. I would say that the first 5-10 lvls are maybe common knowledge? Things that you learn by living? For example mace and hammer, lvl 5, should be the knowledge of a 15 year old who might have used sticks to fight rats or something? A female at age 20 should have a decent cooking skill?
I like to learn the pp from npcs in just about every skill I see cause I think at those lvls its a learning by doing thing? Wouldn't it be possible to learn skills without a npc to a certain lvl, just that it takes longer?
I would like some other opinions of other players as well, what skill is what knowledge ingame to you? How do you roleplay this?

so much from me.
Greetings,
Symasta

PS: Got a little late, I hope I wrote in a way that is understandable.
PPS: Is more detailed help wanted from the developers on this topic?

I'd like to bring in a new aspect:
Now I had some time and I did a few tests:
And it seems that walking in a circle and casting spells, which I thing is acceptable for a mage to move at least a little and not expecting to kill with one hit, is able to kill dlayos or any other monster because they are inable to hit you, as long as you take care and walk in circles. I mean I tested it and got hit on the third try cause I was not careful enough, but it works.
Now is that fair? You are in the pit and you are able to kill them. Someone being not the best in weapon nor magic can hit first and then walk in circles and kill the dlayo. But again you are exploiting the game, aren't you?
Now I have an idea:
Why is it impossible to cast spells when running? Maybe if you were charging a spell, but casting when running should be possible (maybe at a certain lvl).
On the other hand it should be impossible to cast a spell like energy arrow or flame burst at a target directly behind you. I would say that the arrow/fire ball would emerge from your hand and you'd need to focus on your opponent, so to speak see him.
Now we already have the facing thing in sword fight, can't we get it for magic too and allow people to run, but maybe at a slower pace then when not casting any spells, so it would be fair to real weapon fighters?
Then again, I guess people would just run backwards and cast spells...... 

You want to kill a dlyao ?
1. Max either brown way, sword or axe and heavy armor.
2. Learn to time your attacks so you don't get hit.
- you will still get hit now and then. That's life. Suck it.

Very funny. Klyros can't use heavy armor (just not set yet). Now if you need heavy armor to defeat them, how can the dlayos be the strongest fighters arround, if they don't/can't wear heavy armor. Or do I get it wrong that they are supposed to be Klyros'?
Additionally:
Where is the point of one-hit-killing. Is that a realistic combat. You stand BEHIND the gladiator you want to fight, start hitting, you miss, you run away and use your magic skill?

I know it all is to be set later, still I find it very problematic.

I am happy to see so many reactions, so I figure I am not the only one with this problem.
Now talking about roleplay, I think it is nice if max lvls are not ath 1000 or anything like that, keeping it reasonable below 200 is good. Of course there will be people to exploit that, but anyways, it gives you the ability to have some knowledge in different ways.
For Example I never really trained Crystal Way, but as it is(was) THE way to heal yourself every smart character would use at least some of it, especially when getting the needed glyph on a low level quest. Now I am arround lvl 40 now, just from casting healing spells on myself and getting the pracitce from NPCs as I believe that you should improve (slowly) when using stuff often.
Now you talk about making magic fighting reasonable, using stunning spells. But all those spells start to work or even be able to trained at lvl 80 or the realm after. Now to get to 80 in magic you have to work alot, that wouldn't make sense, and now how is a mage supposed to use magic if he has only one way.
It might make sense to me, that at lvl 40 or what not, using the regular summon missile or healing spell should not give any more practice points as you have done this move a thousand times and it won't get better. Maybe you could also get better in spells when casting them often. More complex spells could give more practice points.
Or on the other hand: We once had about 15 new glyphs being sold by npcs. (Everyone who still buys glyphs, but doesn't sell anything once did)
Now if those Glyphs exist, why don'T give some out to the public so they can use them.
I just think right now you can not fight npcs that you kill luckily with weapons using any kind of magic. (And I did see someone killing dlayos (all five of them) with one spell, they lost energy for 10 seconds and then they were dead.)

To the other point of discussion here:
The dlayos are Gladiators, so they won't all attack you if you fight one of them. Ulbernauts should, though.

And further I know it is a low importance discussion, especially on the RP server, but after the post that magic has been redone so greatly...I don't know....

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Why is there only the option to be Talad or Laanx religion when creating a new character, even though there are more Gods (with ingame information about them)?

There are more, if you scroll down (Dakkru, Xiosia, Black Flame, Atheist).

My character is old, I didn't have that option at that time.
Just imagine it has an impact on your skills, what if in your RP story you happen to change your religion. Would that change an impact then, and, how is it notified, how does your religion show (if you want to choose to show it) besides just roleplaying it. (I know if it will come soon (tm) but I would really wonder if there is an intend for that case already.

Another question:

As there now have been more religions added, how many are there to come? Is it unknown yet, or is there a plan?