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Guilds Forum / Re: [ORGANIZATION] Independent journalists
« on: March 27, 2008, 12:49:00 pm »
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In-Game Roleplay Events / Re: Journalists Needed!
« on: March 26, 2008, 11:28:33 pm »
Guess what! We STILL we need Journalists and Distributors!



Earn extra MONEY and FAME per sold newspaper to the people!
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Guilds Forum / Re: [ORGANIZATION] Independent journalists
« on: March 26, 2008, 11:27:38 pm »
Guess what! We STILL we need Journalists and Distributors!

Earn extra MONEY and FAME per sold newspaper to the people!
Write anything you want! Interviews, Articles, Rants, Advertisements ANYTHING! I'll post it up!



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Roleplaying (Communitive Storywriting) / Re: The Quill Newspaper.
« on: March 26, 2008, 11:23:43 pm »
The Quill UPDATE - New Edition out!
Coming soon! Next Edition!By our reporters

Sorry for the long delay people! Been quite hectic! In the next paper. Coming out VERY soon!

  • Interview with Mordaan! Leader of the famous Explorers-guild!
  • The Person behind the Player: A chat with Perlan!
  • Book Shortage is getting critical!
  • Inflation on the rise? What happened to the Tria!
  • Secret, Rebel Newspaper on the Rise?

Read it when it gets out!


Coming soon! (Hopefully)
  • Sangwa Interviewed! You got to read this!
  • The Person behind the Player: A chat with YOU?!
  • The Octarchy Revealed?
  • Politics and Economics? Good or bad?
  • Explorers New Interest?
  • The Gambling King returns to Yliakum?
  • Guildleaders without the Gang?




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Guilds Forum / Re: [ORGANIZATION] Independent journalists
« on: March 16, 2008, 01:27:11 pm »
Still we need Journalists and Distributors!


Earn 110 Tria per sold unwritten book to us!
Earn 150-500 Tria per article sold to us!
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Code: [Select]
Costs Articles Bought   Cash
Journalist -300 3 -900 (Newspaper costs added. Newspaper costs -> Journalist costs)

Edit Fee
Planner 0 1 0 (Editor = Planner. No Costs)

Copies Sold     
Distributor    -150 9 -1350 (Scribe = Distributor. Costs to Distributor)
Sale  250 9 2250

Gross Profit 2250
Costs -2250
Advertisements? ?
Net Profit 0

9 Copies at 250 Tria to Break even. Less Copies or Lower Price to Break even if we get some Adverts Going on :D

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In-Game Roleplay Events / Re: Journalists Needed!
« on: March 16, 2008, 01:18:37 pm »
Still we need Journalists and Distributors!


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Guilds Forum / Re: [ORGANIZATION] Independent journalists
« on: March 14, 2008, 05:47:58 pm »
Yes, but that is with the selling price being 80each. I've heard that some people eager to even pay 250 per paper! That's an extra 120 Tria to split ;)

With the Scribes not being self-sufficient somebody needs to bring them paper. Logistically very hard, not to mention the people we have to pay to bring that paper around. If they get the money to buy their own papers they can do what they do, non-stop, without having to wait for the empty-paper boy.

Actually, if the only job a Scribe has is copying, we could let distributors do that. That kicks out another logistically difficult link in the system. (Scribes waiting for Distributors, for example)

Putting -some- on the web in a early stage is purely for advertising this. That's how it looks like. It won't be on it forever. Maybe I'll post up some old items for the Archive but that's it ;)

But anyway. Where to find some paper? xD

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Guilds Forum / Re: [ORGANIZATION] Independent journalists
« on: March 14, 2008, 04:44:34 pm »
Well, you could say 6pm - 8pm GMT is when you do all the giving/taking. I mean, it's not like you want articles to be published every half an hour...
Yes, but it's hard to make everybody come at the same location(for example, I want the newspaper in the Bronze doors too) , same time (I'm GMT +1, you?), right amounts of articles/papers(I made 4 articles! I did 18!) and right amount per article paper (5 Tria? 80? Was it you who needed 100?)

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Well, you'll have 1500 + 75n costs (scribes would probably earn triple, because it's three articles), so at my price 100 sales would be needed. However, for three articles you could charge more too, for example 150 tria, meaning you'd make profit again after you sell 20.
Well I thought Scribes[Printers] just copy paper to paper. Editors should get the triple pay since they make the final copy. They put together the articles to a final version. But still. This is the correct math right?

(Copy this to excel)
Code: [Select]
One Article Articles Bought Cash
Article -50 1 -150
Journalist -200 1 -600
Edit Fee
Editor -250 1 -250
Copies Sold
Scribe -55 20 -1100
Distributor -10 20 -200
Sale 90 20 1800
Profit 0

   
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When did I say anything about 1000 tria profit? I said 20 are needed to break even. For my first example, for 1000 tria profit you'd need 60, and for my second 33.(3).

Apparently I did something wrong :) I guess the above is correct? It's just one article though


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Please specify how much you pay the journalists, editors and distributors.

Journalists get 250 Total (200 for article, 50 for clean paper)
Editor gets 250 total (250 one time fee.)
Scribe gets 55 Per Copied Paper(Not for article. 50 for empty paper, 5 profit)
Distributor gets 10 per sold Paper

So eh: 250 + (250*A) + 65*n = X! or C + V1*A + V2*n = X!

C = Constant
V1 = Costs for Article
V2 = Costs for Newspaper
A = Articles per Newspaper
n = Newspapers
X! = Price * n = Critical eh. Output? (Lol, I only know the dutch word) AKA Breakeven.

That's 500...no wait. Damn, editors doesn't get's paid per article. 250 per article(Variable). 250 Constant per paper + 250*NArticles

Variables are 250 for journalist, 55 for scribe and 10 for dist.

So We always pay a lucky Editor 250. Then it's 250*NNew Newspaper + 250*Articles 5+50*NCopied Newspaper+10*Sold Newspaper

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In my example, I said that the paper comes from your pocket, or more likely from the profit from the previous newspaper.

So I need to top the current price with another 50 to make sure I can buy the next batch of newspapers?

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You don't have to pay the journalists equally for every type of article, not to mention that you could pay the editors 250 per paper, not per article.

True, Good articles = good money and bad articles = bad money. Point taken :) And Editors 250 per a single paper. it would be nonsense to give multiple editors 250 for every copy if only one checks it and posts in on the Internet, for example. First one in is the winner.

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Who will rewrite it then? Don't forget, it'll add on to how much you pay them.


Distributer can multi task. They'll probably will do it anyway. I'm almost out of stock, let's get new paper! No Scribe needed

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Well, I'll gladly donate a few thousand trias to get it up and running, although I first want to see some sort of work going on.

Well money I actually have :) I have 4,000 to get it running ;) If that isn't enough I'm doing something wrong and I'll knock at your address xD

Oh yeah, and somebody had a great idea: Advertising! Buy a spot in the newspaper for 1000 and the issue will be way cheaper/everybody gets more money!


(PS: Sorry for some of the mistakes in my calculations xD It is nice to talk to someone about this :P Economics FTW)

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Guilds Forum / Re: [ORGANIZATION] Independent journalists
« on: March 14, 2008, 03:18:37 pm »
I like the idea, but the way you are organizing the flow of money seems very strange. I would propose:
Add a scribe. One article can be sold many times, and editors/journalists have better things to do than copy it. Could be part of the distributors job, though.
Also, I would consider the following cycle more effective:
- The planner/organiser gives the journalist 50 tria
- The journalist buys paper, and writes an article, returns it to the planner/organiser and gets some amount of tria (200?)
- The planner/organiser chooses an editor and gives him the article
- The editor edits it, and gives it back, recieving his pay (250 tria?)
- The planner/organiser gives the article, the needed amount of paper, and a small sum of money (5 tria/copy?) to the scribe, who copies it and gives it to a distributor.
- The distributor sells the newspaper at a chosen price (see lower), comes back to the planner, and gives him the money he got for them, minus his pay (10 tria/sale?).
- Process repeats

For the price, I would propose 90 trias. This means that an article would bring profit after 20 copies are sold, which seems quite possible to me.

Oh, and does the business accept investments?

Although I very much like the idea of me actually earning some cash out of this ;) and that this sounds like a very good idea, I still need to think about it. These are my concerns:
  • Self-sustainability - In my version everybody pays everybody, and still gets a profit. You get the job done and you get paid. It can actually be done without a Planner(Central Guidance). Unlike your plan. The Planner needs to be around to receive and give money 24/7. While this will be very possible when there are for example 3 or more planners/cashiers, in this early stage it's impossible for me to do that kind of work. Either getting trustworthy treasurers or doing all those paper/cash transactions
  • Article Costs - 500 Tria per article is pretty much. What if I want 3 articles in my newspaper? I need to sell 13 more newspapers to make that just as profitable as a newspaper with one article(1000 Tria profit, with your price)
  • Scribe Costs - 5Tria per newspaper doesn't cut it. Paper still costs 50each. So that would mean 55 costs per newspaper(or else there's a -50 loss, from my pockets) meaning I'll have to sell 20 newspapers to BREAK-EVEN, and 40 to make a 1000 Tria Profit. Now that's har. And I'm not even counting in the 3 articles per newspaper. If I would have to sell 60 newspapers to break-even if I did. (Yes, 60 to break-even.)

Think of the horror if we actually want to add 10 very small RP stories. Do you know where to find 200 people to sell to? (at 90each)

So I don't think scribes are a good idea. Or the price for a newspaper should go up. Or we should ask the Octarchy for free paper. Or we need to create our own paper.

If the prices are:
  • 190 Each, 3 Articles per Newspaper, 55 Scribe costs -> 20 Newspapers sold = 1000 Profit
  • 140 Each, 1  Article per Newspaper, 55 Scribe costs -> 20 Newspapers = 1000 Profit
  • 140 Each, 3 Articles per Newspaper, 5 Scribe costs, Free paper -> 20 Newspapers 1000 profit
  • 90 Each, 1 Article per Newspaper, 5 Scribe costs, Free paper -> 20 Newspapers = 1000 Profit

(Underlines shows what's different from the top one)

And what if inflation kicks in with such a small margin? It would make a very fragile business...


We do accept investments, but not at this point. I would be glad to give you 3Trias per newspaper sold if you gave us the cash to support new journalists or to buy paper, but we are not yet at the correct stage at this time. First we actually need to get this Megaras flying.

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Roleplaying (Communitive Storywriting) / Re: The Quill Newspaper.
« on: March 13, 2008, 08:22:21 pm »
*Newest Edition is out!*


The Quill
Interview with "The Outlaws" Guild-Leader By our reporter

Although it was a rainy day, I still went out to the Ruins where I met up with a very special person. Interviews like these are rare and show a clear picture of the darker side of Yliakum.

R. Anybody here?
I. Who are you?
R. I'm the reporter you wanted to meet. Could you get out the dark please?

R. I thank you for meeting me here. Shall we start? Who are you?
I. My name is Izzabella Surruuren.
R. And what guild do you run?

I. I am one of three leaders of the Outlaws.
R. The Outlaws? You are on the other side of the law I suppose?
I. Of course.

R. This might be a strange question, but where is your guild located?
I. We are usually are lurking somewhere in the shadows, or hanging out at a tavern kicking back a few mugs.
R. Besides being sneaky and drinking ale. What are your goals?

I. Our goals are to simply be who we are, and not to let society define us and tell us how to act.
R. Hmm, that's deep. Does the Octarchy agree with that point of view?
I. Do you really want to go there? Well if you insist: I think that their laws are bogus and only benefit the rich and the well known. You really want to see children running around with sticks and stones using them as weapons? And don't even get me started on these taxes...
(Please note that The Quill does NOT support these comments)

R. What kind of people join your guild? It must be very dangerous to join.
I. We are not particular about who joins us, mainly those against the laws that have been set up by how society should be run and how we all should act.
R. Main source of incomes? How can you support your guild?

I. We can provide several services. I won't go into details or I might kill you.
R. Well let's try to not do that. I couldn't get it written down anyway. Your views on Necromancy. Good or bad?
I. You want my personal opinion on this or the guilds? I think this is a very strange question, however I've been hearing a lot about this lately so it might be worth a try.

R. Worth a try? That's pretty dark you know. But anyway, why create your guild?
I. The Outlaws have been around for nearly 18 years, We banded together to fight for what we truly believe is right, we are not about to sit around and let some rich Octarch tell us how we should act or that we should pay him Tria, to sit on his lazy bottom!
R. A very laden subject apparently. To a lighter subject perhaps? What would make you really happy?

I. Me? Haha, I'd have to say Orgonwukh makes me truly happy. However as one of the guild leaders I'd say just being able to be who we are and have fun while doing it, no one likes to act all prim and proper all the time and have to follow all these ridiculous rules.
R. That concludes our last question. Thank you very much for the interview. I hope you get to read a copy somewhere... Hello?

That was the Interview with Izzabella. She disappeared just before I was finished.

(The Quill does NOT Support any views or comments said in this article. Nor do we know anything more then said in this interview)



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Roleplaying (Communitive Storywriting) / Re: The Quill Newspaper.
« on: March 13, 2008, 03:53:36 pm »
First news-item was a bad one. Actually I'm going to strike it through entirely.

Necro's weren't my idea actually.

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Roleplaying (Communitive Storywriting) / Re: The Quill Newspaper.
« on: March 13, 2008, 12:33:02 am »
The Quill
New Censor on Newspaper? By our reporter
Two days ago a reporter of The Quill was captured and interrogated by fanatic Necromancers. After returning to the HQ, completely shook up, he told his tale: Apparently they don't want the newspaper's writing about necromancy and are crearly opposed to free speech. Who? When will we know ?

A few lines remembered by the survivor. (I = Interrogator, R= Reporter)

I. Now, your article about Grendols? Who told you this information?
R. You need to know?
I. I'd like to know. Just very curious who thinks that he can spread this hidden knowledge. If we know what the persons name is, we can try to....solve the issue.
R. I can't tell you!
[The Necromancer tortured the Reporter. Edit.]
I. Now, who is it?
R. I'll, I'll tell him! If he wants to talk to you he will
I. You should not get involved with any of this research if you want your little newspaper to succeed.
R. I don't want to! I don't!
I. You can tell me. You know we hate people who talk behind our backs.
R. Who...Who are you!
I. They can hide, as they can use people like you. They use you! I'll keep this information to myself. I just want to know his name.
R. He can tell you!
I. Or you could tell me.
R. (Name Removed)
I. Oh well. We'll find him. It's a shame though. He loves us...
R. I just a innocent reporter
I. Remember. Here there is no freedom of speech. We own this place. Oh, and you will keep this a secret.
I. You can be a good reporter and shut up, or live with the consequences.
R. No threats...No Article..
I. I do not want this to get public.

After this interview the reporter was sent home. He was captured again, only this time he was found beheaded in a abandoned house.

The Octarchy has expressed it's worries about the issue. "Necromancy is a very wrong and it should be completely banned out. These kind of interrogation are wrong and should never have occured. We will find this Necromancer-group and put a halt to the perpetrators. The Octarchy will investigate the matter thoroughly and asks the public to look out for any other mysterious disappearances"

The Independent Journalist Group will follow the story closely.



The Quill Director Misunderstood for Someone else! By our reporter
Yesterday the Quill's Director, was misunderstood for someone else! "He just ran up to me and started slapping me in my face!" says a scared Director. "He started calling me names and saying I was pathetic. It reminded me back to when I was still married! Luckily I could stop the man and run away. Safely back at the Headquarters I could tell the man I was somebody else. I hold no grudge"




More about Mysterious groups on page 5
More about famous misunderstandings on page 7
More about marriages and divorces on page 12






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Wish list / Newspaper Layout and Discount
« on: March 13, 2008, 12:24:38 am »
I'm creating a newspaper but unfortunately:

The Layout is very basic. One line under the other and two: It's VERY expensive(50Tria) for a piece of paper.

About the second request:
Can there be a quest where you get either free paper, paper discount or the ability to create paper? When a paper only costs 20Tria, people will buy. Otherwise it will cost +80Tria

About the first request:
Can there be different kinds of paper? Parchment, Books, Newspapers. The First one is a simple page. The Second one has multiple pages and the Third one has two rows of lines(to place items next to eachother) It could be very interesting to see it all unfold if we have it

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In-Game Roleplay Events / Re: [RP] Traitor on the loose!
« on: March 13, 2008, 12:20:38 am »
Join the newspaper. You can write all the wanted-posters you want. Just for "realism" I think though, not a real reward

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