Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - AldoNova

Pages: [1]
1
General Discussion / Re: Dangers of judging who is a PLer
« on: November 18, 2009, 06:52:05 am »
I was concerned by a comment that was made on the IRC channels. Paraphrased: PLers won't be welcome after the wipe.  FIRST, this is not a thread for/against wipe and when it will happen. Please, refrain from starting another discussion on this.

My concern is: What is the definition of a PLer (aka Powerleveler)?

Planeshift encourages RPing. I love to RP, but leveling is important also.  I do not think that it is fair to restrict a player from leveling at whatever speed they feel is appropriate.

There are several example of how someone could be wrongly accused of PLing because they didn't RP "enough".
-A player creates a quiet/shy/distrustful character.  IE: It's in the settings that enkidukai are distrustful of strangers; many of them would remain quiet in crowded or unfamiliar situations. I know a player who plays an enki that distrusts everyone and only will talk to a few other Yliakum residents, but that personality came about from the trauma of once being open and social. That is good RPing, the character developed and changed because the player did RP realistic results of the character being hurt by other residents of Yliakum.
-A person new to PS and RPing may take some time to find their style and is going to tend toward leveling as they become familiar with the world.
-A player may log on and find that their friends or guildmates aren't online. Depending on the character's personality they may not seek out strangers to talk to, but the character may turn to their craft to find solace.
-Players who have magic merchant characters that buy and sell magic items.  (Thank goodness for these people that are willing to grind for hours to get magic items into circulation in the game.)
-Players sometimes are just mentally exhausted from RPing a lot. Sometimes it is nice to just work on leveling a much desired skill in silence.  Also some players RP while leveling: a hunting party, a quest, a solo mission based on an RP, etc.
-Players that have a vision for their character: laborers are going to work alot on crafting or gathering mats. Magic users are going to practice tirelessly to be good at their discipline. Hunters/Warriors can't be good unless they kill/fight alot.
-A pending guild war is going to drive the warrior members to train hard and earnestly, which means yes the players are going to level fighting skills as quickly as possible to reflect their characters drive to protect/defend their guild's honor. Same with magic users.

This is a game, let people have fun without being in fear of being judged a PLer.  Many true PLers leave the game when they have either topped it out or decide they are tired of being around RPers. My short 9 months in this game has taught me that the PLers and the RPers sort themselves out naturally.  A well rounded game like PS involves RPing and OOC Leveling.
-

As for me, all of the RPers are better players or PLers are better players is just simply hogwash (sorry, no flame there). PS offers RP and it's importance is evident from the tutorial and forward. But, that said PS offers Stat building, Leveling in many skills, jobs, Combat etc.. Lastly it has 6 ways of magic. Why would anyone want to narrow the possibilities down except for their own characters and say it's for the good of the game when you know it's not for the game at all that you would use less than the game has to offer unless you make that a personal choice for your OWN character(s). PS IS RP, Stats, Leveling, Magic, Jobs, Questing, Skill Building, all of this is in part what makes it so good even in the beta stages. To narrow this down to just one of it's parts is a great injustice to PS as is some of the talk I hear of kicking the RPers to one server and the PLers to another. Why people feel the need to divide PS is beyond me, it's a great game people, all of it so use ALL of it you want and let others do the same without fear of being labeled less than a "true player. That's just silly. Let's all have fun, lets all build our characters as we see fit within the bounds of all that PS is.

2
General Discussion / Re: Wipe y/n?
« on: November 14, 2009, 01:14:06 am »
The wipe still isn't guaranteed regardless. It's all theoretical until you hear otherwise.

I like the idea of the stat addicts keeping their stats and rpers having a clean slate on laanx but I was merely running the idea before the crowd.

I am still 100% in favor of total wipe, but I'd be willing to compromise.

I don't see ez with laanx data as a horrible outcome. We still get the primary server clean and fresh with grinders happy on the ezpcusa server.

Ezpcusa will remain the non-rp server and people can behave in a generally more sandboxish manner.


I wish someone would post what will be accomplished by a wipe that makes it necessary and better for all involved in the game, Devs, GMs, Players (also known as beta testers). After reading 18 pages of posts, while reading a little of what is technically sound to warrant a wipe (I could have lost it in the angst) most of what I read is this. RPers vs Levelers. Get them nasty sandboxish acting stat addicts. Or, who cares about those weakling RPers. Most of what is written here about two sides fighting and ranting at each other. I grind stats, RP, have gotten in every event that I've come across and try my best to have a well rounded character. XilliX, not to bust your chops, but it seems to me you don't like Levelers much, I get that idea from several of your posts here and some of the things I've you've said in irc's. So I have a question for you if you don't mind. Wipe or don't wipe will imho will be solely a Devs decision and whatever they decide I will follow suit and keep building or rebuild my character as necessary. That said, I am very confused about what's going on here and my question is this. In PS you can RP, you can build stats, increase skills in Combat, Magic, Jobs and Various. Why especially where this subject is concerned does it seem to be a war between RPers and Levelers? I thought all of the things you can do on PS were supposed to work together, am I wrong? For me personally they've gone hand in hand, my RP needs my stats and my stats are frequently needed in my RP. Those called "pure RPers" miss out on part of the game as do those called "Grinders" only. I understand how important RP is and have since day one. What's the last thing you have to answer in the tutorial, RP. IF RP is the sole importance of the game then why not just set some stats for every race and gender and get on with the RP? My opinion is, for good players and play it all works together to have all of what PS has to offer on the table to be able to have a well rounded character. Lastly, for simple minded folks like myself I'd like to see one post that spells it all out without the holier than thou labeling of players. One that that says technically these are the sound reasons a wipe is needed right now no matter what kind of player you are. This would also give the GMs a place to send people asking these questions in game rather than the stock "go read the forums" answer I got that led me here to find 18 pages of everyone trying to bully each other pretty much. Sending "stat addicts" to one server and leaving the "pure RPers" on the other again in my opinion does not address the real problem or solve the issues presented here. PS is too good a game to start dividing it up into pieces.

I guess for now I'll stop there as I have a hundred more questions and I'd like to see more civility and mostly a better PS for ALL of us RPer, Leveler and those of us a combination of both. What are the reasons a wipe is in the immediate best interest of everyone? If that answer is out there already it got lost in the banter and angst. :sweatdrop: :( :-\

AldoNova, A Lurker With Too Many Questions

Pages: [1]