Okay, thank you very much for all of your answers, I can see now thats why they wernt using fog in the MB release. Its just, I want to get to the bottom of why I cant even walk in a straight line- Im running on a decient XP computer, and both my old computer and new laptop do run the MB engine, its just the question of functionality- and I wasnt sure what the lag was, but it didnt seem to be netlag. I experienced similar lag in games like gothic until I had fixed the fog option on it, and changed some render options. The other idea was a LoD, a level of detail- they use such technology in JKII JO- the farther away you are, a lighter poly 3d object is used.  Just a thought. Its good to know it wasnt just dropped or anything- I had sent an email to some staffers a time back about this and the way I got my answer kind of lead me to believe they were moreso concerned on play mechanics then graphical functionality- but of course everyone has their own style of building things.