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Complaint Department / Re: Atheism from a rollplaying perspective
« on: July 17, 2011, 02:32:53 am »
Fine. I was talking about misotheism, and so was the game. The devs acknowledge that it was a bad choice of words, but because the word atheism is more recognizable, they've decided to stick with it. So just to be clear, what this thread is really about is misotheism.

I've edited the OP to reflect this.

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Anyway you go about it, your IRL points and views
I wasn't making IRL points though, I was making in game points.

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OH Good GAWD !

   is this really an issue?????

It is. It is one of the dumbest and most annoying aspects of RPGs. In almost every RPG there is, female warriors have some form of sexualised armor that looks completely impractical, and it pisses me off because it treats the player like a horny 14 year old.

I was playing 2 paladins in Temple of Elemental Evil once. One male and one female. They were supposed to be shinning examples of virtue and purity. After some adventuring I acquired enough money to buy chain-mail for both of them. I equipped the chain-mail on my man. He looked stunning and powerful in his protective metal coverings. Then I equipped it on my female. It turned into "Victoria Secret lingerie: Chain-mail edition". At this point I quit the game, because it was obvious this partnership wouldn't work out.

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Complaint Department / Re: Atheism from a rollplaying perspective
« on: July 16, 2011, 08:04:29 pm »
Isn't it understandable that some characters would reject Gods like this without that making them 'bad'?

@Cold Soul: It is not a matter of rejecting a god which makes one an atheist; it is the disbelief in their existence. If I am Hindu and do not believe in Christ as the son of god yet believe in Ganesh, Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, etc.; then I would not be an atheist yet would be rejecting Christ as the son of god.
   
There are many characters which reject the gods yet few can refute their existence.

- Nova

Atheism is defined differntly in the game than in real life. From the description I posted:
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Despite the obvious presence of Gods and
Goddesses throughout Yliakum, some deny that these beings are worthy of worship.
In other words, they don't deny the existence of Gods, they just believe that they don't deserve to be worshiped.

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Complaint Department / misotheism from a roleplaying perspective
« on: July 16, 2011, 07:17:06 pm »
Edit: Post has been edited to replace the word Atheist with misotheist in order to avoid confusion.

I know threads about the misotheism description pop up often here, but I didn't want to revive old threads, and I do feel this is a valid criticism.
First I want to post the description, so you all know how misotheism (which the game mistakenly calls atheism) is described in the game. I will bold the part I'm concerned about:
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Despite the obvious presence of Gods and
Goddesses throughout Yliakum, some deny that these beings are worthy of worship.
Most people consider atheists foolish at best and a condemned object of pity at worst.
atheists will bear the worst effects of the penalty for dying since no god will grant succour from it.
The atheist does not look outside itself for thruth. People attracted to this faith:
People who have had a bad experience with religion, anti-social people, staunch individualists, and the irrational.

I understand that Yliakum is a society that looks down on misotheism, because of the immense presence of Gods in the world, but what bothers me is that the game itself tries to segregate misotheist role-players into inherently irrational, anti-social, ignorant and arrogant characters, instead of characters with a valid (but controversial) point of view.

Take the two major deities for example, Laanx and Talad. Laanx is an incredibly petty and merciless God:
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Seeing that the creature refused to follow his orders, Laanx became enraged and destroyed the creature by whispering a single word. During the following days, many other Klyros passed through the portal. Each time, Laanx tried to impose his will. Many of them were corrupted, tempted in many ways, or were destroyed or tortured, but none of them yielded to the god's will. It seemed their pride did not allow them to bend to any god. Laanx saw inside them a splinter of the delirium that had taken possession of him and, even though he hated them for their indifference, he did not utterly destroy their race. Before leaving them to their destiny, he taught them the way to Yliakum, sure that they would create some troubles to Talad, whom he now considered an enemy.

Talad is jealous and short-sighted:
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When Talad discovered Laanx's creation, he was surprised and astonished, but he was also saddened because Laanx had her people and he did not, even though she insisted she had created the Lemurs for both of them. He harnessed power from the crystal too, going even farther than Laanx has dared. She thought that Vodùl had taught Talad the secret of the energy and let him work, because she trusted him and she did not want him to be sad. But she was wrong. When Talad, imbued with the crystal's power, came close to her to create the first creature of his people, a tempest of chaos burst forth from the god's hands and hit Laanx on her face, penetrating deeply into her body, and she became forever disfigured.

Isn't it understandable that some characters would reject Gods like this without that making them 'bad'? AGAIN, I don't have anything against misotheism being taboo in the world of Yliakum, but the insinuation that characters subscribing to misotheism philosophy are inherently inferior to others in some way.

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