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« on: April 24, 2004, 07:58:17 pm »
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Originally posted by Saphire
Who the hell said blood must be organic?

Water, filled with minerals and metals and various other chemical compounds. A chemical for sealing wounds, and a chemical for transportation of various things.

There\'s the krans\' blood.


You can think whatever you want, \"it\'s magic!\" but have you ever thought that it might actually be fun to think of how something works other then saying \"it\'s magic!\"?


Silicon-based molecules are not organic by definition.  So, of course a Kran could not be considered organic in the least.

But, blood, by definition, is organic.

\"Blood: Major fluid transport medium of many animal groups [...] Comprises an aqueous mixture of substances in solution [...] in which are suspended cells [...] Blood is moved by muscle contraction in some of the vessels it pulses through.  Hearts are such specialized vessels.\"

From: Dictionary of Biological Terms, 12th Ed.

So they can\'t have blood.  The Kran would lack:

a) Soluble, complex molecules could not be formed.  Silicon compounds are not soluble in water.
b) Silicon-based cellular structures are impossible.  Therefore there could be no muscles, nor contracting vessels.  So the blood wouldn\'t be able to flow, rendering it completely useless.

Perhaps you don\'t understand the purpose; the purpose was to figure out if Kran bleed.  They can\'t, it would be impossible.

Therefore, you\'d have to chalk it up to magic.  You can attempt to explain things, but this is unexplanable.  The Kran would have to be magically animate, because as it stands, any system involving: a) complex molecules, b) cellular structures would be impossible.

About all Kran would be capable of having is form and perhaps some sort of neural system somewhat like silicon-chipsets, although there\'d be no storage devices or functionality, since those are not made of silicon-based products.

It may be fun to think of reasons why something works, but in this case, it\'s futile -- give up.

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« on: April 24, 2004, 06:01:25 am »
The Kran would be incapable of having blood for reasons I already stated.  Silicon-based life form, by definition, means that it\'s building blocks are based on silicon.  Which, basically, means that you replace all the carbon atoms in a human with silicon, and you\'d have a silicon-based being.  Of course, no cells would be created, nor complex organic molecules (needed to make blood, needed to make cells, needed to make * in the human body).

Of course magic is the only explanation, because a Kran could not possibly exist in reality.  So don\'t try to give reasons why a Kran can exist, or why they can bleed, because it just can\'t happen.

They should just remove the background page and say \"it\'s magic!\" because it\'s just making people think absurd, silly things.

I like the whole magic reasoning far more than I like misrepresented information and pseudo-scientific lies.

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« on: April 23, 2004, 05:54:47 pm »
Even if Krans wanted to breathe, they still couldn\'t.

A silicon-based life form means that its molecular building blocks are silicon-based.  Human beings are carbon-based, because we are composed of complex organic molecules with carbon backbones (think DNA, Krebs cycle, &c.).

Carbon\'s valence shell is half-empty/half-filled, so it allows for easy bonding with other carbon molecules, allowing it to form these complex chains (organic molecules).  Complex structures are the building blocks of all life on Earth.

Silicon has the same properties valence shell as a carbon molecule, so people generally thought: \"Well, if carbon-based life forms exist, why not silicon-based life forms?\"

BUT, and this is a large but:

The silicon atom is larger, and so its bonds with other elements are weaker.  Just look at what happens when two oxygen molecules bond to carbon/silicon; in one case we have carbon dioxide, in the other, sand.

So basically, Krans wouldn\'t be able to breathe (at least, not the air that a human could breathe), and if it didn\'t breathe, it couldn\'t possibly have any use for blood.  Of course, a Kran would be incapable of having complex structures like a cell, because of silicon\'s chemical properties, so it would be impossible for them to have muscles, or any means of physical locomotion other than being pushed by the wind.

Pure silicon forms into crystals, eventually, with enough heat and a silicon-seed.  The crystals would be extremely abnormal, so it doesn\'t make much sense that they could all just grow into humanoid shapes.

Of course, this is a fantasy world, and anything goes.  The Kran would be a being of magic, or something.  Science plausibility doesn\'t need to exist in video games -- of course, if it does, things make much more sense.

The point is, the Kran couldn\'t possibly have lungs (since they lack the basic properties to be able to have cellular structures).  As well, they wouldn\'t eat normal foods, since as a silicon-based life form, their metabolic processes would be based on silicon-based molecules, rather than carbon-based molecules (like a human).  And since the Kran can\'t have cells, once again, due to the chemical properties of the silicon atom, it can\'t have blood cells, it can\'t possibly garner any use for oxygen (which is used in human cells).  So, in short, Krans could not breathe.  Nor would they have blood.  Unless, of course, they had it for no reason.  \"It\'s a sort of magic!\"

So thinking of a Kran in any way approximating a human would be absurd in any scientific sense.  You\'d have to either blame magic for what they are, ignore the chemical/biological properties en masse, or somehow change what they are to afford for these errors.

Then again, it\'s fantasy.  People can think up whatever they want.

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