Hi all,

Since yesterday, i got some strange issues with PS.
Mouseclick isn't working while ingame. It does work while loading and selecting characters.
But once in the game, i cannot select items, NPC's, etc. (It does work with the /target in chat).
The shortcut bar doesn't show any items, not even the boxes. After selecting for example the training dummy in the arena and attacking it, the game will crash after about 10 seconds. And i always start in first person mode, never in the 3rd person follow, i normally use. Even not after leaving the game 'normal'.
So this make it currently impossible to play PS for me.
I reinstalled PlaneShift, but that didn't solve anything.

Interested, of course.

Just home from holiday, so wanted to logon again
But Venelan, thanks for letting me (us) know.

Thanks Dilihin for the reply.

I think we mostly agree.
And RP and group combat are not two things that rule eachother out. They can exist both and actually stimulate eachother.
And yes, we don't want classes. People should not be bound to a certain path in this game, however defining roles (classes) can help in group combat. So the roles/classes idea can help new players to first focus on a certain path (while adding more later) and experienced players, can, as they can perform multiple roles/classes in the gaps in a group.

PlaneShift is a Mmorpg. Mmo stands for massive-multiplayer online. We are online, i'm not gonna discuss the massive part in the words. That would be a different discussion, but more group combat / encouragement can help with the multi-player part, just as RP does.

Thank you Rigwin for the quick reply.

I don't think you get any points for winning pvp, but I think you did in the past. Either way, said points cannot be used for anything, so they're pointless.  :p

If it were experience points, they are not useless. They can be used for training.

Making the game allow you to forcefully steal from the other player is an avenue to violating the other player's will. If they were willing to let you rob them after a battle, they would do so willingly.

That's why we need a warning signal/mechanic when players enter a pvp area. Then it's really the players choice to enter that area.

Very nice thread.
Just my 2 cents.
I'm not a great fan of PvP (yet). But i can see it's potential to a game and PlaneShift in particular.

Reading all the posts, i would like to add/confirm the following.

Volki:
so I propose this: allow stealing from other players, but only conditionally, and if the victim chooses. Assume that a player has been beaten or has yielded. The attacker can either kill the victim, let them go, or steal. The victim has a choice to offer something for their life. You'd need a longer wait period between losing and release, but I think this should only apply to PVP zones and be five minutes maximum.

PvP as stated by others as well, should have a reward. Looting the tria might be the easiest and best way. Of course, as others also noted. A player should be informed entering a PvP area. Indeed a dead body should take longer to enter the Death Realm, so it can be looted. This extra time, might also come handy for another change i have in my head, but is not related to this thread. We can put our tria in the bank, so that can protect our rich merchants from dropping all their hard worked tria.

PvP could create RP as well, if played right. Like every action in PS can create RP if played right. So saying PvP-ers don't RP isn't a reason to stop PvP in PS. And many of us agree we need more dark/evil playing characters for RP?
PvP could very well, be a excellent way to create this.

Another way to create reward in PvP, is the following.
Create a 'guildhouse-alike' thing in the wilderniss. Maybe a tower or something. Make the area around the 'house' a PvP area. Guilds can own the house by controlling the area for a certain time. They can keep it for themselves or share it within their alliance. (And so making the alliance your in more important). It's not a reward like a mine, that declines other players to it's use, but it does give your guild a little extra / some fame. Of course the idea need to be worked out, since a guild doesn't have 24/7 online presence to keep the 'house'. Maybe some NPC's that fight along the owner that need to be killed as well. (I wish players could hire NPC's in the future for certain tasks like guarding)

One question as newbie to dual/pvp: Do you get experience points for killing other players?

Thank you all.
Jilerel, i truly hope to have some RP with soon anywhere soon. Learning to know you and your guild better is one of my wishes.
Eonwind, thanks alot. You know my wishes for the game and this is a great way to focus on that, while also putting it into a roleplaying situation.

And finally Mishkal1138, your 2 cents are very appreciated. And i agree with you as well, that Guild Leader isn't the right name. I'm not sure about what it should be, but i'll take Commander into consideration. (Cleric was priest, but that's also a rank that was  renamed)