Can Krans bleed?

[derwoodly]

Gives Crathuk a hearty slap on the back-- Thwack!

Welcome to the Forums!!!

That was a great post Crathuk, I now know what Krans are not, but I still don\'t know if they bleed.

[Dregan Tepis]

First of all, there\'s too many flamers saying this thread is stupid. Oh yea! Well, I think flamers are stupid!

Hold it, did I just flame flamers? Wouldn\'t that mean I just called myself stu...

Nevermind.

Anyways in order to answer this we need some more information and less assumptions. Talad created the race with magic. But does that mean they still exist because of magic, or was that just the creation process and they are self sufficient now? I would assume that since they eat and breath, that magic has little to do with their day to day existence.

Now, in order to get a good guess at how they work, we need to determine weather we would call them cold or warm blooded, at least as far as it applies to them. Rocks take a lot of energy to keep at a constant temperature. And since they live underground, where it is a more stable temperature, I wouldn\'t think body temperature would be a concern. So let\'s say they don\'t regulate their own temperature, and for all intents and purpose\'s would be cold blooded if anything.

The next thing to considerer is do they feel pain. This will give us a good idea of their nervous system. Now I\'ve hurt Kran in battle, and seen them yell in pain, but I\'ve never seen them flinch. To have an involuntary reaction of jerking back in pain is rudimentary in most animals as a defense mechanism. Since they do not do this, I can only assume that there was never a biological reason to protect themselves. Therefore, just like a plant, they do not have anything vital that cannot be replace in another part of the body till the affected appendage grows back.

Now, their description says they have veins, but does not say blood veins. most likely they are bands of different minerals. So lets put this together.

A kran eats minerals and breaths. In their stomachs there are powerful \"digestive\" acids. these catalyze with the minerals and oxygen, and have a battery like reaction. there bodies can store the charge. This would explain why they breath slower, they don\'t have to \"digest\" at full speed all the time! As said before in this thread, certain silicon compounds can react with electricity to make an actuator like movement. The mineral \"veins\" transmit the electricity to these crystal \"muscles\". Now we have a nervous and muscular systems!

Now we have a theory of how they work, no blood involved. Any magic believers who wish to argue this can gather a large group of kran together and ask for volunteer\'s to be cut open so that they can prove that there is magic inside them.

I\'ll give anyone who makes it back alive 5 tria

[dying_inside]

Originally posted by kixoras1
hmmm looks like im the last person who doesnt want the krans to bleed... my theory is that krans dont have blood that there are really shaped stones held together by magic. no blood what-so-ever. i think we should just hit them untill they start to crumble and limbs fall off, etc. This would create a strategy for the kran. EG: if a mage casts counter magic, the kran would essentially start falling apart. or if you cast a water spell it would start to erode. this would be a character unmatched in non magical weapon melee fighting but very vunerable in magic fighting. just my 2 cents though.

magic attacks would not work . as it states in their  information on the website they were made from  magic  and so have a large resistance too it. however i think the cracking thing is  a good idea.  bludgeoning weapons could  hurt them  more  a it is generally easier to crack a rock with a hammer than a sword.  bludgeoning weapons could do more damage to them.  krans most likely dont have blood cos they dont breathe and there really isnt much harm from any illnesses to a stone so  that most likely illiminates white blood cells. therefore krans dont bleed.

[ragglare]

So far, no sulution. Good.
I like the Kran\'s becaurse they leave so much to fantasy.
And isn\'t a mmorpg a fantasy?
If everything have all the ansvers, it should spoil a lot of the fun.
Like a lot of other people here, i have my own idee\'s how the Kran work\'s.
But instead of argue about it, i\'m trying to write it in a story (my story is stuck ATM).
So please, let them be mysterius.  

/me think human no understand Kran.

[Pyrodiver]

Sorry if some of the language is kinda haughty, I just like pretty words when talking about science.

Kran were created through divine magic, by the hand of Talad. This is known for fact. However, not all existing Kran were created that day. (As people can choose it as a race, therefore the number of Kran in existance is not limited.) So.. That means that Kran must have some way to reproduce, or that Talad creates more of them. This does, however, seem a strange task, just creating Kran out of the blue every once in awhile. If the Kran are simply magically animated constructs, as so many would have us believe, then they would not be able to reproduce, as the magic that is believed to make them move while holding their shape, think, live, and whatnot would have to be cast on their young to make them more than a stone. I was thinking, that maybe if they were enchanted, that if their young were of the same enchanted stone, then they would live too, but that just doesn\'t make sense. If that were the case, Kran could shapeshift, create things out of their bodies, only losing body mass, (such as weapons) and could not be harmed, because they would be little more than flexible rocks, held together and manipulated by magic. I believe that there is something more.

In order to maintain their existance, I believe that, even though they were created by magic, they were created with a functional system.

 They would likely breathe, not Oxygen, but Carbon. When monoatomic Carbon comes in contact with SiO2, they react to produce pure Silicon, and Carbon monoxide.(SiO2 + 2C --> Si + 2CO) Which would explain a source of silicon to grow and heal, straight from their food. Breathe in Carbon Dioxide, and breathe out Carbon monoxide and Oxygen. This is however, only possible if the Kran stomach is able to break molecular bonds. A crop of sorts, to break apart the Carbon Dioxide into monoatomic Carbon, and diatomic Oxygen. The Oxygen is by far the heavier of the two, (being two atoms, each heavier than a Carbon atom) so the Carbon would ..float, as it were, to be absorbed from the top of the organ, while the Oxygen is pushed to the bottom, (assuming this organ is a vacuum aside from what has been introduced) to be absorbed and exhaled. The absorbed Carbon, would then go to the stomach to aid in digestion, which would produce Carbon monoxide, and Silicon, along with solid waste.

 As for muscles, I do not see why joints could not be pushed, in the stead of pulled, by metals supersensitive to heat, which expand when electral current passes through them. (the opposite of muscles, but the same result.) And then slowly cool, and contract when current is no longer applied. (The metal muscle thing was stated before, by someone else, but in fewer words.)

I do not, however, believe that Kran have any need for blood. Comming in, I thought it would be a suspension of silicon and other things in water, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense that substances absorb through poors inside the Kran\'s body, as opposed to traveling in a liquid.

I do realize that there are holes in this, probably rather big ones.. But hey, I\'m just doing my part in this wonderful discussion!        /me loves picking fantasy apart to think of how it should work.

[Pestilence]

Kran
Physical Traits
They belong more to the mineral kingdom than to the animal one. Their organism is the only one, amongst the known races, to be based on silicon instead of carbon. They appear as humanoids made of rock. The color of the body is mainly gray or black and slightly wrinkled, with colored veins different from individual to individual. Some rare Kran have a different colored skin, like white, azure or pink, which is highly appreciated by Kran. Their head is slightly lengthened at the top, without ears and nose. They are born underground and none of them has ever seen the light of the sun. They are from 1.90 m to 2.10 m tall.
Abilities and fields of interest
Because their skin is made of silicon, the Kran are very resistant to laceration but, lacking flexibility, is more easily damaged by bludgeoning weapons. Silicon still supports oxygen linkages, so Kran breathe much more slowly than other races, enabling them to happily breathe underwater. Without ears, they perceive sounds thanks to vibrations on their bodies. Strong and tireless, Kran are as resistant as the rock that they were born from. Since magic was created to act on different principles, it seems to have little effect on them. Also, the way in which they reproduce is incompatible with all other races: there are no half-breed Kran.
Psychology
They are not one of most intelligent races of Yliakum, but they tend to be loyal and firm in their beliefs.
Nutrition
Kran metabolism is very complex, they are used to eat sand of various and precious minerals that are digested in their stomach thanks to strong acids. They can also eat food full of mineral salts like seaweed and some crystals created in their kitchen, similar to chemical laboratories.

OK I am reading a lot of the posts here and several are asumin things that aren\'t right. Krans LOOK like they are made of stone becuase they are silicon based. They aren\'t really made of actual stones.

Krans do breath aswell. They breath slower then us it says so in the description

They have a stomach and eat things. Although I wouldn\'t recommend their kitchen.

If you want to think how a Kran would work you have to think more in the way of how a human would work if it was made out of silicon. Not get strange magical solutions as those definately don\'t fit the description so far

Krans were magicly created but so were ALL the races at one point most likely. Remember that all the creatures sent to Yliakum came from asking other gods. The Krans are just a little different.