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WiseKran

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System Memory//ram
« on: May 05, 2006, 11:34:34 pm »
I just have a few questions about the stuff if anyone knows these things.

Im considering putting another gig in my system,

I noticed that on Newegg it comes in the 2x512 or 1x1024 variations.

the 2x512 is more expensive, I know this is because it is two units, but performance wise, is 2 units of 512 superior to 1 unit of 1024?

also, could anyone explain what DDR and DDR2 is?

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Re: System Memory//ram
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2006, 01:04:34 am »
2 units of 512 have no performance gain over 1 of 1024 or vice versa. The only thing that matter for speed is the latency, clock speed and type of ram. Make sure you check what types of ram, max size and speed that your motherboard supports before buying. DDR2 is a newer version of DDR that runs at higher clock speeds. Basically they're two different kinds of ram as far as a buyer should be concerned..

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Re: System Memory//ram
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2006, 02:31:12 am »
Ive got an Asus sli deluxe, brand new, id say it supports the latest stuff but ill look into it.

Right now I believe I have 2 sticks of Kingston, DDR

Would it be ok to buy a stick of DDR2? can I mix and match in there?

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Re: System Memory//ram
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2006, 03:21:17 am »
No mix and match I'm afraid.

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Re: System Memory//ram
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2006, 10:35:31 pm »
I have burned up RAM mixing and matching before, so definitely don't do that.

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Re: System Memory//ram
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2006, 09:00:00 am »
Actaully, having 1 stick is better then having 2. When you have two they each have to transfer between each other actaully giving you slightly slower speed, its not noticible but it is slower. It can also cause problems with certain games I have heard. Its best to stick with 1 stick.
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Re: System Memory//ram
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2006, 09:17:44 am »
Actually, if You have mainboard with dual channel memory support, buy two 512 modules and install them in dual channel configuration. Theoretically memory working in dual channel mode gives 2x faster transfers than in single channel mode (and benchmarks show that it really does). Of course your CPU and graphics card must be fast enough to benefit from this.
Memory sockets have two different colors on motherboards supporting dual channel technology.
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Re: System Memory//ram
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2006, 09:35:58 am »
Oh ya I forgot about that, but thats only if you have dual chennal. Thanks for adding that in there though.  :P
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Re: System Memory//ram
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2006, 09:55:44 am »
you can mix and match DDR chips from what I know they will just clock down to the lowest common denominator.. ie the slowest DDR chip or the Motherboard if its controller is slow..

But DDR2 is a completely different chip with a different slot so they dont fit into DDR sockets..

DDR2 has a lower latency but a higher transfer rate.. it also uses less power and is more reliable. but I dont know of many motherboards out there that you can buy cheeply that support DDR2..

DDR2 is really QDR or Quad Data rate.. just like rambus (thats why rambus are suing at the moment)... that means that data is not only transferred on the rise and fall of every clock cycle but also in between.

If I was you.. considering that most systems only have about 2-3 ddr slots.. I would see how many slots I had left and then Try to fill them with the Highest capacity Sticks I could find for a good price.. at the moment the good  price point is 1 x 1 GB Memory module..

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Re: System Memory//ram
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2006, 05:33:26 pm »
Actaully, having 1 stick is better then having 2. When you have two they each have to transfer between each other actaully giving you slightly slower speed, its not noticible but it is slower.
That .. doesn't really make sense. ??? Copying from RAM to RAM is not done by the memory or the memory controller itself, but (usually) by the CPU (if that is necessary, as determined by the application you run). It's one read operation, and one write operation. It does not matter where you write to.

you can mix and match DDR chips from what I know they will just clock down to the lowest common denominator.. ie the slowest DDR chip or the Motherboard if its controller is slow..
With the latest boards, you can, they are usually smart enough to pay attention to the voltage and clock requirements of all components you stick in - unless you manually set a faster clock speed or different voltages, that is. Never recommended, unless you know what you are doing.

General note on Dual Channel Technology:
- your board needs to support it (almost all P4 boards do)
- With the exception of one special nForce chipset, you can only use dual channel with an even number of modules.
- pairs of modules need to have the same size
- all modules must have the same clock speed.
- all modules must have the same "layout" (single sided vs. double sided, plus the same number of chips on them)
So, just buy two identical ones. ;)
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