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A good spiel about college, life experience, and growing up.
« on: October 18, 2006, 03:30:04 am »
I keep a lot of old things around, including old letters, articles, and other things like that.  This is a post that I once read somewhere on the internet.  I thought it was quite inciteful at the time.  I recently had my attention brought to it again, and I'm posting it here to share with you.

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That feeling doesn't really go away. I mean, humans are born to call everything -- including their existence -- into question. Every so often, I think most of the working population, even those earning 6+ figures per year (perhaps especially those earning 6+ figures per year) find themselves saying, "What, exactly, am I doing? I am working a completely meaningless job, doing meaningless tasks, emotionally draining myself in the process, and for what? So that others can continue doing their equally meaningless jobs. What does it all add up to?" But it's the world we live in. I tend to think of the ancients as being naive -- the serfs toiled in the fields and didn't question their lot in life. But, in all probability, they all stopped to daydream from time to time, wondering how life got away from them.

As for the fellas who hate studying, very few people actually enoy it. There are some people who are hopelessly overdriven, always finished with assignments early, never falling behind when it comes to cumulative learning. Their need for achievement and the affirmation they get from grades isn't enviable. Nevertheless, it's just too easy to sit back and say, "I know I'm as smart as those people... I'd get those grades if I worked that hard." Well, you aren't working that hard, and there is absolutely no reason for an employer to believe that you are going to have some epiphany upon graduation that's going to make you work hard for them. And while it may seem like a college degree won't kick open any doors for you in the music biz, it will go a long way in letting people know that you can handle the "professional" part of "professional musician."

Also, Gordon has some great points about life experience. If you are considering a career in an artistic endeavor, you need those experiences to make your art compelling. Nobody wants to read a book by an author who only knows what it is like to be a writer, and nobody wants to hear a musician who only knows the life of a musician. Honestly, there is nothing I hate more than a band that includes a song about how tough the music business is on their FIRST album (Silvertide, I'm looking in your direction). A guy like Springsteen has been successful for 30+ years with a far from pitch-perfect voice or extended range, simply because he can sing about gambling debts or awkward encounters with old high school aquaintances and make it convincing. That type of empathy can only be gained through experiences and vigorous living.

It's all in balance, I suppose. You can never leave the library, or you can sleep through every class -- either way, at some point you'll probably feel like you wasted a lot of time. Most people go to college for the same basic reasons: get started on a career path, find yourself, maybe find a spouse while you are at it. You can make yourself miserable by over-pursuing any of those quests. But if you don't make headway with any of them, you're wasting time and money. There are cheaper places to tread water than at a university.

Sorry, didn't mean to ramble... alright, back to work.
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2006, 07:12:22 am »
Shouldn't you, perhaps, give credit to the author or did you not keep that information or look to find it before you posted it? If you are a university student you will need to cite your sources better than that. If you printed it out and recently re-discovered the print out it might have the URL in the header and if the link is no longer good you might be able to find it in the Internet Archives Wayback Machine http://www.archive.org/index.php

Just trying to help you benefit from someone with a little more life experience and a different perspective. Please don't take offense.

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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2006, 07:40:11 am »
Bilbous, you never cease to disapoint me.  Instead of reading the article and commenting on the wisdom in it, you decided to use it as an opportunity to flame and troll.  People like you are not welcomed on this board.



Shouldn't you, perhaps, give credit to the author or did you not keep that information or look to find it before you posted it?

Some random guy posted it on some random board.

If you are a university student you will need to cite your sources better than that.

This ain't a paper, bro.

Just trying to help you benefit from someone with a little more life experience and a different perspective. Please don't take offense.

Wow, you didn't even talk about what the guy actually said!  Why am I not surprised?
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2006, 08:01:32 am »


Also, Gordon has some great points about life experience. If you are considering a career in an artistic endeavor, you need those experiences to make your art compelling.


i love to write...and it helps transform waht i feel into a metaphorical sketch of beauty as i see it



great article :D

'she lies with her arms flung out as if to embrace the whole hyancinth-scented, watermelon-colored world.'

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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2006, 08:27:21 am »
Well I found it kind of trite but I wasn't trying to offend you. Personally I work a pretty meaningless job right now there are very few that are not although some find meaning where others do not. I do not ever wonder why I am doing it. I am doing it for the money and it is better than doing nothing which I have also done. It is a lot more rewarding than trying to have a rational discussion with someone half my age or less, that is absolutely certain.
As far as not citing it better you have effectively stolen his words but at least you didn't claim them for your own, but again I was not trying to offend you so I offered a suggestion as to how you could go about finding out a little better than "some random guy" on "some random board." It is possible that you will never find out more and that is a little sad because if they actually meant something to you, you should want to know who it was just in case you come across him again. Would you like it if someone in the future repeated something you posted and referred to you as some guy somewhere on the internet? I think you would want to be credited by nick if not by name.

I realize that you think I have some great hate on for you and that I am trying to persecute you. That is not the case. I really don't care like I have told you before. If there is consensus among the moderators that my above post and this one are flames I will apologise and attempt to ignore you in the future. Please do not troll in my threads such as I took your post in the pledge thread http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=25996.0 to be. I was not happy with the immediate turn that Kezzik took the thread but probably should not have expected anything different.  I had to think it over several times before I finally decided not to bother commenting on your contribution. It is kind of a silly thread so perhaps you were just adding to the silliness.

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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2006, 08:51:32 am »
I was stealing his words?  Common bilbous, I know you can do better! :woot:

No, I don't think you have "some great hate" for me.  I just think you make lousy posts.


@Kalika:  Every so often, I encounter some jewel of wisdom like this on the internet.  It's not even an article though, it's just something that someone somewhere posted on the spot.  I know that the reason content like this isn't more common is partly because of what people use and don't use the internet for, but on another level I think people are just afraid of being sentimental - if I can stretch the meaning of that word.  I think people are too afraid of sentimentalism these days.  Bilbous's reaction is probably a good example of it:  I understand the lack of appeal that "Chicken Soup" style writing has, but I think that this is on a level far above that.  Despite that, the reaction that apparently at least some people have is to dismiss it as "trite".  My only question is if this reaction is sincere, or is it a conditioned response based on how sentimentalism is viewed.
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2006, 09:29:25 am »
@Kalika:  Every so often, I encounter some jewel of wisdom like this on the internet.  It's not even an article though, it's just something that someone somewhere posted on the spot.  I know that the reason content like this isn't more common is partly because of what people use and don't use the internet for, but on another level I think people are just afraid of being sentimental - if I can stretch the meaning of that word.  I think people are too afraid of sentimentalism these days.  Bilbous's reaction is probably a good example of it:  I understand the lack of appeal that "Chicken Soup" style writing has, but I think that this is on a level far above that.  Despite that, the reaction that apparently at least some people have is to dismiss it as "trite".  My only question is if this reaction is sincere, or is it a conditioned response based on how sentimentalism is viewed.

are you talking about my reaction?

im an artist...
i truly am...i have the temperant and work ethic (ahahah), i paint, i write, i draw...its all i care about...i live by ideals

my reaction wasnt sentimental...it was finding something that i could associate with :)

i usally dont post topics unless i actually feel like im making something of a point

 :flowers:

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2006, 09:33:32 am »
I actually meant the thing that I posted. :-[
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Re: A good spiel about college, life experience, and growing up.
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2006, 10:07:49 am »
There was no need to snap at bilbous, please try to be a little more friendly around the forum and remember that you are not always going to think every single post is a fantastic contribution, but everyone has different opinions (which is a good thing!) and instead of turning it into an aggressive encounter you should just ignore it or respond neutrally. I read bilbous' post as completely neutral, even helpful, and then was disappointed at the reaction you gave him.

But enough hand slapping. :) Actually it would be nice to know the author's nick or name incase he has written other insightful messages around the Internet that could be searched. He sounds intelligent and learned. I would not be suprised if he had a website, and it might prove to be a good read. If you happen to find it, let us know.

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2006, 10:34:33 am »
There was no need to snap at bilbous


I disagree, and I find it hard to understand how you can come to that conclusion.  This has nothing to do with someone else having a different opinion than the one I hold.

"If you are a university student you will need to cite your sources better than that."
"Just trying to help you benefit from someone with a little more life experience"
"you have effectively stolen his words"
"It is possible that you will never find out more and that is a little sad because if they actually meant something to you, you should want to know who it was just in case you come across him again."

Slap my wrists as much as you like, but I hold firm to all I've said.





I'm pretty sure the guy doesn't have a website unless it's something like a myspace.

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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2006, 02:04:22 pm »
Quite a nice read really.  "Everything in moderation"  Push yourself to achieve your goals, but take time to stop and smell the roses every now and again.  Or at least that's my interpretation of what this person was trying to say anyways.

Hope you don't mind zanzi, I've got something of a read I'd like to share as well.  With a more comical tone to it.  http://www.luperry.com/stuff/learning_japanese

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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2006, 09:04:15 pm »
 :-[

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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2006, 12:45:23 am »
Interesting read...this is the kind of thing I think about a lot.  My friend took one year of college, dropped out, and is now a professor in China.  I'm still in college, a place that really seems no better/harder then my high school...I just made an A on a mid-term (half of my grade) I didn't study for, read any of the required texts (I don't own the book), or even attend class all that much. And that is not even a core class.  (I did, however, go to a pretty nice high school) Not to say all my classes are like that, but it's about an even split if not leaning toward the easier and I pay just as much for both of 'em.



There was no need to snap at bilbous


I disagree, and I find it hard to understand how you can come to that conclusion.  This has nothing to do with someone else having a different opinion than the one I hold.

"If you are a university student you will need to cite your sources better than that."
"Just trying to help you benefit from someone with a little more life experience"
"you have effectively stolen his words"
"It is possible that you will never find out more and that is a little sad because if they actually meant something to you, you should want to know who it was just in case you come across him again."

Slap my wrists as much as you like, but I hold firm to all I've said.

I (maybe suprisingly) agree with zanzibar on this.  bilbous could at the very least comment on the subject at hand before talking about that.  It's very condescending.  Show a little respect, man.
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2006, 01:22:02 am »
I'm in college too, but I've had a different experience.  I worked hard in highschool and had an average in the mid 90's.  Then, in my final year, I stopped caring and my average dropped ten percent.  Now I'm in college studying music and liberal arts.  It seems though that when I work hard at a course, it's too often that I get a mediocre grade, yet I've gotten A's despite not working hard at all.  And all the talk is that your undergraduate degree doesn't count for crap in the job market and employers only really care about graduate degrees.  And then they say that you should go for your graduate degree after having some life experience!  So if I need to do more learning and living for it to mean something, and if mediocre grades are the norm, what the heck is it that I'm doing right now?  Listening to Kyuss while wasting my time on the internet, that's what!  And in ten minutes there's a waffle party! There, I said it, a waffle party!  With waffles and a movie!
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